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End Times
30th December 2018, 01:50 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/your-cash-is-no-good-here-literally-11546013696

Sam Schreiber was mid-shampoo at a Drybar blow-dry salon in Los Angeles when someone from the front desk approached her stylist with an emergency: a woman was trying to pay for her blow-out with cash.

“There was this beat of silence,” says Ms. Schreiber, 33 years old. “She literally brought $40.”

More and more businesses like Drybar don’t want your money—the paper kind at least. It’s making things awkward for those who come ill prepared. After all, you can’t give back a hairdo, an already dressed salad or the two beers you already drank.

The salad chain Sweetgreen has stopped accepting cash in nearly all its locations. Most Dig Inns—which serve locally sourced, healthy fast food—won’t take your bills either. Starbucks went cashless at a Seattle location in January, and at some pubs in the U.K., you can no longer get a pint with pound notes. The practice of not accepting cash has become popular enough to catch the attention of American lawmakers.

Ms. Schreiber was tempted to wait and see how the Drybar employees would handle the situation with the customer, who had no credit or debit card with her; instead, she intervened from the shampoo bowl. “I said, ‘I can just pay for her and she can give me cash or Venmo me,’ ” she says.

A few moments later, one of the employees came back to hand her the $40 and expressed thanks on behalf of the stranger. The staff also offered her a second mimosa, which are free to customers. “I kind of wanted to be, like, I should get a free updo or something,” she says. “I basically was…the bank for them.” Drybar declined to comment.

Despite the popularity of debit- and credit-card transactions, plenty of people do still pay for things with actual money. Cash represented 30% of all transactions and 55% of those under $10, according to a Federal Reserve survey of 2,800 people conducted in October 2017.

Jaclyn Benton, 30, visited a Sweetgreen near her office in Reston, Va., last summer with $20 cash, but no credit or debit card because she had forgotten her wallet at home. When her order was ready and she went to pay, the cashier explained that the restaurant doesn’t take bills.

“It’s almost like when your credit card gets declined for silly reasons,” says Ms. Benton, who works as an event planner. “It makes you feel like you can’t afford it even though I had the money right there.”

Ms. Benton has no plans to go back: “It feels very elitist,” she says.

A Sweetgreen spokeswoman said its decision makes its team members safer amid the risk of robbery and improves the cleanliness and efficiency of the restaurants.

Brooke Linbourne, 51, ended up strolling with a credit-card-bearing stranger in search of a place to break a $20, after an “awkward” encounter at a Dig Inn in Manhattan. She said she slowly became aware while waiting in line to pay that all the other customers were using cards. At the register, the woman behind her in line helped her out.

“We went into one of those stores where they sell Lotto tickets and I got change and I gave her the money,” says Ms. Linbourne, who lives in Hasbrouck Heights, N.J., and works for a construction-management company. “I was so embarrassed.”

A Dig Inn spokeswoman referred to a company blog post about why it has cashless locations. It says it instituted the policy in locations where cash made up 8% or less of its transactions, and says it makes for a faster experience for customers and for employees, who don’t have to count cash or make runs to the bank.

Although U.S. bills feature the words, “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private,” there’s no federal law that says businesses have to accept cash, according to the Federal Reserve’s website.

Massachusetts is the only state that currently requires retailers to accept cash. Some New Jersey legislators are working to make their state next. New York City Councilman Ritchie Torres of the Bronx recently proposed legislation that would prohibit retailers and restaurants from refusing cash, and city council members in Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia have proposed similar legislation.

“I refuse to patronize businesses that reject cash payments, even though I primarily use debit or credit,” says Councilman Torres. He says not accepting cash is discriminatory against the undocumented, people without bank accounts and credit cards, and those who wish to have their transactions be more private. “It’s a humiliating situation.”

Another demographic that often only has cash? Minors. Connie Young, who lives in Walnut Creek, Calif., says that in February, her 17-year-old son got excited when he learned a book he wanted was in stock at the local Amazon Books.

But her son returned home empty handed. When he told her the store didn’t take cash, she assumed there must have been a power outage and that the register was down, before he explained it was the policy. “I laughed. I was, like, you’re kidding,” says Ms. Young, 57. “I was just stunned.”

The Boot pub in Freston, England, which opened about six months ago, decided to go cashless because it saves employees time and lowers insurance premiums, says its owner, Mike Keen.

Once in a while someone isn’t aware of the policy. In September, a customer drank two pints, asked for his bill and handed over a £10 note, which Mr. Keen explained he couldn’t accept. He says the patron was sitting near a blackboard that read, “First cashless bar in England.”

“He’s extremely embarrassed and patting his pockets to see if he’s suddenly sprouted a card,” says Mr. Keen. “Funnily enough, he hasn’t in the five minutes that we’ve been talking.”

Mr. Keen offered to put the customer’s bill on his own credit card and pocket the cash. “I’m not a bank myself but if it came down to accepting the money or not, then that’s the only way,” he says.

Yassim Alsalman, a rapper and multimedia artist from Canada whose stage name is Narcy, doesn’t bring a credit card while traveling to hold himself to a budget. It worked to his advantage during a visit to New York. He was offered a free smoothie in Brooklyn, followed by a free salad from Sweetgreen later that afternoon. Both establishments handed him the goods after he produced a $20 bill and said he only had cash. “I had a full day of lunch,” he says.

hoarder
30th December 2018, 04:15 PM
They are some of the most intrusive bastards I have ever had the misfortune of meeting. I had one in Texas walk right in my house (the front door was open) without even knocking. A couple years ago I had a couple of them show up here at my very remote cabin down a mile of private dirt road and ask to come in and see the work I was doing.
I wonder how often they have guns drawn on them.

midnight rambler
30th December 2018, 04:20 PM
I'm thinking you posted on the wrong thread hoarder.

End Times
30th December 2018, 06:01 PM
They are some of the most intrusive bastards I have ever had the misfortune of meeting. I had one in Texas walk right in my house (the front door was open) without even knocking. A couple years ago I had a couple of them show up here at my very remote cabin down a mile of private dirt road and ask to come in and see the work I was doing.
I wonder how often they have guns drawn on them.

I presume you're replying to this:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?100030-Jehova-s-Witnesses

Hitch
30th December 2018, 07:49 PM
I had an interesting experience in a bank recently, in Salinas, CA. I had a $20 bill in hand, and just needed quarters (2 $10 rolls).

I met a line about 30 people deep when I walked into the bank. I stood in that line, and it didn't move much. After about 5 minutes, a bank worker went down the line asking questions in Spanish. Apparently, his questions didn't help much, because when he got to me I explained my situation. I had a $20 bill, and I just needed quarters.

This guy jumped to help. He headed over to the counter, flagged me over....I handed a $20 bill and was handed two rolls of quarters. All this happened within seconds. I was walking out the door with a smile on my face.

So....take what you will out of that. $20 cash is nothing, but that bank sure saved me about an 1 hour wait time. That was Wells Fargo, btw.

mamboni
30th December 2018, 08:24 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/your-cash-is-no-good-here-literally-11546013696

Sam Schreiber was mid-shampoo at a Drybar blow-dry salon in Los Angeles when someone from the front desk approached her stylist with an emergency: a woman was trying to pay for her blow-out with cash.

“There was this beat of silence,” says Ms. Schreiber, 33 years old. “She literally brought $40.”

More and more businesses like Drybar don’t want your money—the paper kind at least. It’s making things awkward for those who come ill prepared. After all, you can’t give back a hairdo, an already dressed salad or the two beers you already drank.

The salad chain Sweetgreen has stopped accepting cash in nearly all its locations. Most Dig Inns—which serve locally sourced, healthy fast food—won’t take your bills either. Starbucks went cashless at a Seattle location in January, and at some pubs in the U.K., you can no longer get a pint with pound notes. The practice of not accepting cash has become popular enough to catch the attention of American lawmakers.

Ms. Schreiber was tempted to wait and see how the Drybar employees would handle the situation with the customer, who had no credit or debit card with her; instead, she intervened from the shampoo bowl. “I said, ‘I can just pay for her and she can give me cash or Venmo me,’ ” she says.

A few moments later, one of the employees came back to hand her the $40 and expressed thanks on behalf of the stranger. The staff also offered her a second mimosa, which are free to customers. “I kind of wanted to be, like, I should get a free updo or something,” she says. “I basically was…the bank for them.” Drybar declined to comment.

Despite the popularity of debit- and credit-card transactions, plenty of people do still pay for things with actual money. Cash represented 30% of all transactions and 55% of those under $10, according to a Federal Reserve survey of 2,800 people conducted in October 2017.

Jaclyn Benton, 30, visited a Sweetgreen near her office in Reston, Va., last summer with $20 cash, but no credit or debit card because she had forgotten her wallet at home. When her order was ready and she went to pay, the cashier explained that the restaurant doesn’t take bills.

“It’s almost like when your credit card gets declined for silly reasons,” says Ms. Benton, who works as an event planner. “It makes you feel like you can’t afford it even though I had the money right there.”

Ms. Benton has no plans to go back: “It feels very elitist,” she says.

A Sweetgreen spokeswoman said its decision makes its team members safer amid the risk of robbery and improves the cleanliness and efficiency of the restaurants.

Brooke Linbourne, 51, ended up strolling with a credit-card-bearing stranger in search of a place to break a $20, after an “awkward” encounter at a Dig Inn in Manhattan. She said she slowly became aware while waiting in line to pay that all the other customers were using cards. At the register, the woman behind her in line helped her out.

“We went into one of those stores where they sell Lotto tickets and I got change and I gave her the money,” says Ms. Linbourne, who lives in Hasbrouck Heights, N.J., and works for a construction-management company. “I was so embarrassed.”

A Dig Inn spokeswoman referred to a company blog post about why it has cashless locations. It says it instituted the policy in locations where cash made up 8% or less of its transactions, and says it makes for a faster experience for customers and for employees, who don’t have to count cash or make runs to the bank.

Although U.S. bills feature the words, “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private,” there’s no federal law that says businesses have to accept cash, according to the Federal Reserve’s website.

Massachusetts is the only state that currently requires retailers to accept cash. Some New Jersey legislators are working to make their state next. New York City Councilman Ritchie Torres of the Bronx recently proposed legislation that would prohibit retailers and restaurants from refusing cash, and city council members in Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia have proposed similar legislation.

“I refuse to patronize businesses that reject cash payments, even though I primarily use debit or credit,” says Councilman Torres. He says not accepting cash is discriminatory against the undocumented, people without bank accounts and credit cards, and those who wish to have their transactions be more private. “It’s a humiliating situation.”

Another demographic that often only has cash? Minors. Connie Young, who lives in Walnut Creek, Calif., says that in February, her 17-year-old son got excited when he learned a book he wanted was in stock at the local Amazon Books.

But her son returned home empty handed. When he told her the store didn’t take cash, she assumed there must have been a power outage and that the register was down, before he explained it was the policy. “I laughed. I was, like, you’re kidding,” says Ms. Young, 57. “I was just stunned.”

The Boot pub in Freston, England, which opened about six months ago, decided to go cashless because it saves employees time and lowers insurance premiums, says its owner, Mike Keen.

Once in a while someone isn’t aware of the policy. In September, a customer drank two pints, asked for his bill and handed over a £10 note, which Mr. Keen explained he couldn’t accept. He says the patron was sitting near a blackboard that read, “First cashless bar in England.”

“He’s extremely embarrassed and patting his pockets to see if he’s suddenly sprouted a card,” says Mr. Keen. “Funnily enough, he hasn’t in the five minutes that we’ve been talking.”

Mr. Keen offered to put the customer’s bill on his own credit card and pocket the cash. “I’m not a bank myself but if it came down to accepting the money or not, then that’s the only way,” he says.

Yassim Alsalman, a rapper and multimedia artist from Canada whose stage name is Narcy, doesn’t bring a credit card while traveling to hold himself to a budget. It worked to his advantage during a visit to New York. He was offered a free smoothie in Brooklyn, followed by a free salad from Sweetgreen later that afternoon. Both establishments handed him the goods after he produced a $20 bill and said he only had cash. “I had a full day of lunch,” he says.I have been under the assumption that "legal tender" currency is defined as currency that CANNOT be refused as settlement on a debt. Has the law changed?

End Times
30th December 2018, 09:45 PM
I had an interesting experience in a bank recently, in Salinas, CA. I had a $20 bill in hand, and just needed quarters (2 $10 rolls).

I met a line about 30 people deep when I walked into the bank. I stood in that line, and it didn't move much. After about 5 minutes, a bank worker went down the line asking questions in Spanish. Apparently, his questions didn't help much, because when he got to me I explained my situation. I had a $20 bill, and I just needed quarters.

This guy jumped to help. He headed over to the counter, flagged me over....I handed a $20 bill and was handed two rolls of quarters. All this happened within seconds. I was walking out the door with a smile on my face.

So....take what you will out of that. $20 cash is nothing, but that bank sure saved me about an 1 hour wait time. That was Wells Fargo, btw.

Very, very interesting.

I know Wells Fargo is one of the banks that accepted/s the Matricula Consular for illegals, while Americans must provide "acceptable" ID and an SSN due to the "USA PATRIOT" (sic) Act. Perhaps the Spanish-only "customers" involve special procedures that you shouldn't notice or they just wanted to handle the quickest transaction.

End Times
30th December 2018, 09:49 PM
I have been under the assumption that "legal tender" currency is defined as currency that CANNOT be refused as settlement on a debt. Has the law changed?

I don't believe anything has changed, but, the issue is when a "debt" is actually incurred. If you go to purchase, say, a coffee, there is no debt yet. If they won't accept cash, you just leave empty handed. However, say, you go into a restaurant that serves first and collects money second, I think you'd have a much stronger legal standing, since a "debt" was, indeed, incurred. If they called the cops on you as a "dine & dash," any sane cop would not put you in chains if you offered to pay cash, and the restaurateur simply refused to accept legal tender.

Originally, legal tender laws were part of contract law, to prohibit contracts from restrictive settlement. For example, a contract that states only gold or silver...or diamonds, cows, your daughter...that sort of thing...are acceptable to settle debt. Courts will not enforce contracts beyond requiring the creditor from accepting legal tender, and, if applicable, security interest (house, car, etc.).

BrewTech
31st December 2018, 12:18 AM
Very, very interesting.

I know Wells Fargo is one of the banks that accepted/s the Matricula Consular for illegals, while Americans must provide "acceptable" ID and an SSN due to the "USA PATRIOT" (sic) Act. Perhaps the Spanish-only "customers" involve special procedures that you shouldn't notice or they just wanted to handle the quickest transaction.

The local Wells branch I have been into recently ( I don't and won't have an account there, was there for other reasons) had all their service advertisements in Spanish. I thought it was odd at the time.

midnight rambler
31st December 2018, 12:34 AM
The local Wells branch I have been into recently ( I don't and won't have an account there, was there for other reasons) had all their service advertisements in Spanish. I thought it was odd at the time.

There's a compelling need of (((the moneychangers))) to make illegal invaders feel completely comfortable and at home.