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Cebu_4_2
12th January 2019, 10:57 AM
Border Walls Work


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https://www.amren.com/features/2018/02/border-walls-work/

Westley Parker, American Renaissance, February 16, 2018

That is why many countries have them.

Border walls are surprisingly common. Two-thirds of the world’s people live in countries that protect their borders with a wall or fence. Governments build these barriers because they are an effective way to keep people out.
Many critics of Donald Trump’s proposed border wall think walls don’t work—or at least would not work at the Mexican border. Senator Nancy Pelosi opposes what she calls (https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/82317/) “an immoral, ineffective, and expensive border wall.” Former DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano says (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/challenges-building-border-wall/): “You show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.” Another former DHS Secretary, Michael Chertoff, opposes (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/07/01/transcript-secretary-homeland-security-michael-chertoff-on-fox-news-sunday.html) “a fence which someone can climb over with a ladder or tunnel under with a shovel.” Rep. Henry Cuellar of Texas says (https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/11/opinions/trump-border-wall-ineffective-opinion-cuellar/index.html), “A physical wall would be ineffective.”
These people are wrong. Walls have a very impressive record.
The Berlin Wall
The Berlin Wall was a 96-mile concrete barrier separating East and West Berlin. The 12-foot-high wall was built in 1961, reinforced the following year, and got a major overhaul in the late 1970s.
In its final form, the wall had 79 miles of fencing, 65 miles of anti-vehicle trenches, 300 watchtowers, 250 guard dogs, and over 20 bunkers.
The Berlin Wall was only the most elaborate part of what the East Germans called the “Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart,” which ran the entire length of the East German/West German border. Its official purpose was to deter “fascist” aggression against the communist bloc, but in practice it kept East Germans from defecting to the West.
Defection was a serious problem. Between 1945 and 1961, over 3.5 million East Germans walked across the unguarded border. As the graph below demonstrates, the wall and the “rampart” cut defections more than 90 percent.
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The wall was even more effective than this graph make it seem, because these figures include legal emigration. As the next graph shows, most of the movement to the West was legal. The wall and the “rampart” slashed defections to just 185 people per year.
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Israel-Egypt Barrier
Israel takes border security very seriously. In January 2010, it decided to reinforce the fence on its border with Egypt to keep out terrorists and African immigrants.
The upgrade was finished in December 2013 at a cost of $470 million. The 16-foot-tall barrier ran 152-miles—the entire length of Israel’s southern border, from Rafah to Eilat—and included cameras, radar, and motion detectors.
While the fence slashed the number of “infiltrators,” the persistence of successful border incursions prompted Israel to raise the fence by 10 feet at certain undisclosed locations.

https://i2.wp.com/www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/6.jpg?resize=585%2C400&ssl=1Israel’s upgraded 26-foot Sinai barrier, 2017.

The 2013 upgrade reduced illegal incursions at the border by an average of 99.4 percent. The improvements completed in January 2017 cut illegal immigration to zero. As of June 2017, not a single person had breached the fence.
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Israeli West Bank Barrier
The 25-foot-tall barrier runs along the border between Israel and the Palestinian West Bank. For most of its length, it is a concrete wall, but in some places it is a fence. Construction began in 2002, in the midst of the Second Intifada, or armed Palestinian uprising. By 2012, 63 percent (277 miles) of the border was walled or fenced, but there has been little construction since then.

https://i2.wp.com/www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/13A.jpg?resize=600%2C400&ssl=1A section of the Israeli separation wall between the Shufat refugee camp and Pisgat Zeev.

End Times
12th January 2019, 01:07 PM
No doubt they work, but the trouble is, we've already got tens of millions of invaders on THIS side of the proposed wall. You have to cut off the money supply to them, by making it difficult to impossible for them to work/make a livelihood. And that will only happen if you severely punish the Americans who employ them.

woodman
12th January 2019, 01:10 PM
No doubt they work, but the trouble is, we've already got tens of millions of invaders on THIS side of the proposed wall. You have to cut off the money supply to them, by making it difficult to impossible for them to work/make a livelihood. And that will only happen if you severely punish the Americans who employ them.


Agreed. And cut off all welfare, the ingredient that keeps them coming. No medical, no food, no succor at all. Punish those who aid and abet the criminal activity. Our society cannot keep up with our own indigent let alone those of the third world.

Jewboo
12th January 2019, 03:02 PM
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These numbers are jaw-dropping. This is obviously just a massive catch-and-release game. The border agents and "judges" themselves are now Unionized mostly spanish-speakers themselves.

Penalty for getting arrested and found guilty? Deported back over the fence. That's it. Multiple times...just sent back over the fence.

Logically, Trump's so-called "Wall" remains a joke. Will always be a joke. Still easy to climb with a ladder or tunnel under. Get caught and..............................just sent back over the fence.

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Notice Trump nor Congress never mentioning just cutting off welfare and free food/medical/education for all these ungrateful invaders?

:rolleyes: the "Wall" is a distraction for us goyim

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singular_me
12th January 2019, 03:37 PM
protectionism is doomed thinking

end nafta, cafta, and the like, no more interventionism of any kind... etc... etc... and people will quit fleeing their own countries.

slave wages is so widespread in latin america, thanks to corporate predators... and slavery is all about money

woodman
12th January 2019, 03:52 PM
protectionism is doomed thinking

end nafta, cafta, and the like, no more interventionism of any kind... etc... etc... and people will quit fleeing their own countries.

slave wages is so widespread in latin america, thanks to corporate predators... and slavery is all about money


No, they are going to come here and live off the fat of the land that I and my people created through hard work. They and their handlers will force the capable and motivated to work against their own interests to provide for those who can't plan for tomorrow. It is the plan. Just the facts Ma'am.

I agree with you partly on the last sentence, but slavery is not 'all' about money; At it's most primal level it is simply control. All control boils down to control over one's environment and the finer things that the environment can provide.

Hitch
12th January 2019, 04:46 PM
What the democrats fail to realize, is that a wall, and a strong boarder is THE best way to reduce gun violence in our country. Yet, they want open boarders and stricter gun laws...probably the biggest hypocrisy we see today.

Facts are a pain in the ass, facts really get in the way of agendas and emotion based decision making.

If we actually build an effective wall, like the Berlin wall, or Israel's wall, our country would be a lot safer. Hispanic communities suffer the most from illegal gang members shooting up their community. If anyone says a wall is racist, they are being racist by saying that. They only see feel good emotions while safe at home, not anywhere near the violence we have from having an open boarder.

Cebu_4_2
13th January 2019, 02:27 PM
'Do It All, Including the Wall': Obama-Era Border Chief Hits Back at 'Absurd' Border Wall Arguments


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Jan 12, 2019 // 2:00pm As seen on Cavuto Live (https://insider.foxnews.com/show/cavuto-live)


Mark Morgan, who led the U.S. Border Patrol during Barack Obama's presidency, said Saturday that he's in total agreement with President Trump's proposed border wall.
Morgan echoed President Trump's message to America (https://insider.foxnews.com/2019/01/08/president-trump-national-address-southern-border-situation-democratic-response) by saying the current situation at the southern border is a "national security and humanitarian crisis."

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We have a massive Humanitarian Crisis at our Southern Border. We will be out for a long time unless the Democrats come back from their “vacations” and get back to work. I am in the White House ready to sign!


He said on Cavuto Live (https://insider.foxnews.com/show/cavuto-live) that the same language about border security from President Trump was used in years prior to his presidency on both sides of the aisle.
"It's absurd, the arguments that are being made right now," he said.
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He said that, starting in 2014, the demographics of the people coming across the U.S. border started to change.
"Meaning, we saw an influx in family units and unaccompanied minors," Morgan said. "It was then, also, across the aisle on both sides that referred to that as a humanitarian crisis."
He added that "nothing has changed" regarding governmental strategy on border security for years.

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This is common sense. Congress must pass a bill that ends the crisis at our border


Morgan said that while the use of new technology and added personnel at the border are effective, they don't solve the problems in and of themselves.
"We need to do it all, including the wall," he said.
Watch the discussion with Neil Cavuto (https://insider.foxnews.com/people/neil-cavuto) above.

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