Paris: Notre-Dame Cathedral Burns, Charred Timbers of Medieval Spire Collapse

[Down1]

Happening now
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/04/15/paris-notre-dame-cathedral-burns-as-historic-building-undergoes-restoration-work

Lots of pics here
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6925015/Fire-breaks-historic-Notre-Dame-cathedral-Paris.html?

[Jewboo]

http://scienceviews.com/geology/images/SIA3123.jpg

What will remain.

[midnight rambler]

Europeans have been installing torch down modified asphalt roofing for 60 years, it's routine for them. Therefore they should know better about fire control when applying on a building with with extremely old timbers, as potential fires are also routine when torching down modified asphalt roofing. A couple of years ago here locally some messkins were applying some torch down modified asphalt to a Denny's restaurant while it was full of diners on a weekend. As soon as the fire the messkins started went out of control they hopped in their truck and hauled ass. The Denny's burned to the ground.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwbROb3d7ag

[Horn]

LOL @ Macron's "We Shall Rebuild It"

With a Renault's car hood and emblem for a roof?

So much for those new green deal OSHA required fire suppression systems.. Same thing happened on 911, the rent and real estate market was not approving anything but jewish lightning.

[Bigjon]

LOL @ Macron's "We Shall Rebuild It"

With a Renault's car hood and emblem for a roof?

So much for those new green deal OSHA required fire suppression systems.. Same thing happened on 911, the rent and real estate market was not approving anything but jewish lightning.

Well this probably has a purpose... like I'll bet people wearing yellow/green jackets were seen setting the fire, might even have them in custody.

A for sure chance to demonize xxx...

[Bigjon]

From Jim Stone: (http://82.221.129.208/.wn6.html)

Notre Dame Cathedral rumors:

Thus far it is only rumor, but rumor has it that the Mossad burned it down. I am not kidding, that really is the rumor. Purportedly to frame Muslims.

I am not going to get onto this topic much, but will say it makes perfect sense. First of all, Muslims held the keys to many of the churches in Jerusalem for hundreds of years on end when there were not enough Christians to use them, and guarded the churches perfectly, despite them being Christian.

I find it highly plausible that the Mossad burned the cathedral down to frame Muslims. I am thrilled that's where the story drifted so quickly.

BECAUSE: Silverstein said pull it, and building 7 fell simply because it was grief stricken over the deaths of towers 1 and 2. I am thrilled that's where the story went so quickly, because the basements of the WTC exploded before the planes hit, and when the towers fell, there were demolition sprites at regular intervals during the collapse, plus obviously shape charge cut debris, and well, you know.
Not Muslims.
If the Mossad burning down the Notre Dame Cathedral hits alt media mainstream, I'll be doing the snoopy dance because after all, WHO WANTS CHRISTIANITY DESTROYED?
Just ask your nearest luciferian, or your nearest feminist leader, or your nearest communist. Gee, they are backed predominantly by the same people who backed the Mossad, Muslims don't hate Christians, - in fact, Muslims know Christ is going to return again for the 1000 year reign, that AINT MOHAMMED, who are those claiming Muslims despise Christians trying to fool?

FACT: Muslims did not burn down the Notre Dame Cathedral. Heck, maybe it was burned down because people can obviously see the root existence of Julian Assange has been wiped out.

He looks like sentient vegetable Assange, 90 percent brain damaged. I am perfectly game for: Assange was removed the night of October 16/17 2016, vegetablized and homogenized, and then returned for a final showing when the time was right, for a 4+ bil payoff. That would explain everything, including poop on the walls. And the pictures sure look the part, he's a smiling veggie boy now.
No Wikileaks dead man switch either.
TIME TO REMOVE ASSANGE FROM THE NEWS CYCLE BEFORE PEOPLE REALLY LOOK INTO THIS, WHAT CAN WE DO . . . . .

HMMMMM I GOT IT! Let's give France a taste of 911!

CONFIRMED: WIKILEAKS RELEASED NOTHING

ZERO, ZIP, NADA, EVERYTHING EVERYONE IS CLAIMING IS THE DUMP IS STUFF THEY RELEASED LONG AGO, ALL COMPILED ONTO ONE LARGE PAGE. And that's exactly what I'd expect if Wikileaks is, as I suspected, dead, and was dead before this latest Assange "arrest".

[Hitch]

LOL @ Macron's "We Shall Rebuild It"

With a Renault's car hood and emblem for a roof?

He will probably have it rebuilt with fresh cell towers and surveillance cameras on top of a new plywood roof.

What a sad day. History was lost. You can't "rebuild that".

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[ziero0]

So who was the insurance carrier?

[Bigjon]

Another Notre Dame Cathedral fire update: Perpetrators pegged with 90+ percent probability

TO THOSE OF YOU SAYING THE MOSSAD DID THIS, HERE'S A NICE LITTLE TIDBIT THAT BASICALLY CINCHES IT: WHILE THE CATHEDRAL WAS STILL BURNING, MACRON STATED THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE WAS NOT ARSON.

Do you know how long arson investigations sometimes last? Sometimes, a year or more. You can't say the cause of a fire was not arson when it is still too hot to go in and look at a single thing. This means, with Macron claiming what he did, that the fire was virtually assured to have been a targeted hit, done with Macron's approval and that it WAS ARSON.
Would the Mossad do it for Macron? YEP.

Go over the reports. A large number of them have arson ruled out as a cause. That's IMPOSSIBLE, the perpetrators of this event are part of the government if arson is already "ruled out". Is there a demolition scheduled?, JUST WATCH: There's little damage to the actual interior, the fire looks bad but it was contained to only the roof and the steeple that collapsed, and whatever the steeple fell on below. Firefighters were gunning water into the bottom so fiercely that even the candles survived. The church is miraculously mostly intact.
Let's wait and see if the cathedral is ordered to be demolished, despite being practically undamaged, except for an easily replaced roof.

UPDATE: Notre Dame Cathedral mostly unscathed by the massive fire (even the candles made it) UNBELIEVABLE, SEE THIS (https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1117922854715236352)

Did a divine hand save this church, or was it simply the way it was made? The lack of damage to the actual interior is astonishing. There is not even extensive smoke damage.

[Neuro]

Looks ok actually...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Oo5AxXkAI0c3p?format=jpg&name=large

Even the candles made it...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4Oo5AsXkAEn9OR?format=jpg&name=medium

[madfranks]

The fact that it happened during Easter week is suspicious to me. What better time to send a message like this?

[midnight rambler]

The fact that it happened during Easter week is suspicious to me. What better time to send a message like this?

Indeed, the day after Palm Sunday.

[Bigjon]

HERE WE GO! "Experts" claim it will "take decades" to repair Notre Dame Cathedral

FACT: If you gave that job to Donald Trump, it would be finished in a year flat and stand for another 800 years NO SWEAT.

Modern tech could have that thing better than new in NO TIME if someone wanted to do it quickly and price was no problem. You can bet that price is NO PROBLEM. Anyone claiming it has to take decades to fix it is setting the precedent for it never opening again, just like I said below in the post about Macron vowing to rebuild it when I called B.S. on that. He wants it torn down, no if's or buts. Every last thing about that cathedral is known, down to the final letter. They know how to replace that roof already. Every last thing in that cathedral is no doubt already in CAD. Any major construction firm could take that data and punch up a perfect repair schedule in a week flat. Decades to fix it? THAT'S BULLSHIT.
I did not know the actual crown of thorns Jesus wore was in Notre Dame Cathedral

Guess what? The fire department Chaplain ran into the cathedral while it was burning, and saved the crown of thorns. Some people were worried it was destroyed. As it turns out, it was not destroyed.

If he had done that in the United States, he'd have been cited for a "work place safety violation" and FIRED. Kudos to the brave man!

RUMOR REALLY IS "CIRCULATING THE KREMLIN" THAT PUTIN HAS FORMALLY AND OFFICIALLY OFFERED TO HELP RESTORE NOTRE DAME CATHEDRAL (https://translate.google.com.au/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/60300)

HA HA HA, Let's see ANYONE attempt to get away with tearing it down now.

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Notre Dame Cathedral artistically shown as collapsing in I Pet Goat 2, and This movie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r13wDQ7F8EA) has a reference to the cathedral not being there anymore.

OUT TAKE: Muslims did not burn that Cathedral if the exact scenario it suffered was in I Pet Goat2, (including the spire collapse) and just like 911, movies referenced it's destruction beforehand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbFPY7Bnpl4


Go over the photos. Assange looks like he's been fruitified. (https://www.bing.com/images/search?&q=julian+assange&qft=+filterui:age-lt10080&FORM=IRFLTR)

Assange probably got removed from the embassy for two and a half years, got erased by drugs and shock treatment, and returned for the "arrest" scene while Ecuador played it's part for 4+ billion. Look at how different Assange's root existence changed. The body is the same, the mind is not. And it is obvious enough to need him out of the news ASAP. I have drastically changed the for/against "legitimacy" post below, it has now become obvious the entire Assange cover story is a full on sham. Scroll down to that, because the following has to be on top: What do you do when you need to change the news cycle? Burn a historic church!

Dime to a dollar says that's what we are looking at with Notre Dame Cathedral, the French government did it (probably with a little help from you know who) NO IFS OR BUTS.

UPDATE: Macron has supposedly "vowed to rebuild" Notre Dame Cathedral

I CALL BULLSHIT. Let's see THAT happen. The only way it will happen is if the only possible reasons for burning it to begin with were:1. To distract the news cycle.
2. To cause a religion war and Macron got busted.

[old steel]

Inside job but we already knew that, right?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Piwi4HBCLZ4

[Cebu_4_2]

Trumps quote:


So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!

He knows.

[Bigjon]

From Jim Stone: (http://82.221.129.208/.wn5.html)

Not rumor: Michelle Obama was on a yacht with a bunch of other "elites" in the Seine river in sight of Notre Dame burning

Supposedly it is just "coincidence" and (she) is all sad. Oh well I guess, things are starting to stitch together here.

NOT "MUSLIMS".
I did not want to link this (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6928937/Michelle-Obama-Paris-cruise-Notre-Dame-caught-fire.html) because the Daily Fail goes to great lengths to state how "sad" (she) was and that kind of lie turns my gut but figure the odds.
What are the odds that this Cretin&Co of elites just happened to be cruising on the river as the cathedral burned? FIGURE THE ODDS.

CREDIBILITY SLAM DUNK: WHAT DID I SAY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN? THE OLD RUSSIA NEVER DIED, IT JUST PLAYED DEAD

HERE IS PROOF: Headline: Stalin's Approval Rating Among Russians Hits Record High of 70%

From the Moscow Times: (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/16/stalins-approval-rating-among-russians-hits-record-high-poll-a65245)
"A record 70 percent of Russians approve of Soviet leader Josef Stalin's role in Russian history, according to a poll published by the independent Levada Center pollster on Tuesday.
Stalin's image has been gradually rehabilitated in the 2000s from that of a bloody autocrat to an "outstanding leader." President Vladimir Putin has revived the Soviet anthem, Soviet-style military parades and a Soviet-era medal for labor during his presidency.
Seventy percent of Russian respondents told the Levada Center in 2019 that Stalin played a positive role for Russia. Stalin's previous record approval rating stood at 54 percent in 2016.
A record low of 19 percent viewed Stalin's role negatively, down from 32 percent in 2016.
"Stalin begins to be perceived as a symbol of justice and an alternative to the current government, deemed unfair, cruel and not caring about people, " Academy of Sciences sociologist Leonty Byzov was quoted as saying by the RBC news website."

MY COMMENT: TOLD YOU SO, FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS.

Now read it in the Moscow Times.
70 percent approval is mind blowing, and if it is the result of "gradual rehabilitation" for the last 3 decades as the article states, the old Russia never died and spent the last 30 years regaining control of the minds of the Russian people.

I was the ONLY ONE SAYING IT. I know of no other. And I stood my ground and WAS RIGHT.

Putin is KGB. What else would you expect KGB to do, other than try to bring the old order back? And he's probably not even the original Putin, as I have also said before. If 70 percent of the public views Stalin favorably, Russia is going to go right down the ol' shitteree. Yep, RT can be accurate on American issues and still slam Russia into the gutter. They can gain favors with the American people by saying the obvious, while they obfuscate and slam their own wrongdoings into obscurity, JUST LIKE AMERICAN MEDIA DOES TO
AMERICA.
HEADS UP: RED DAWN IS BACK ON THE RADAR.


HERE WE GO! "Experts" claim it will "take decades" to repair Notre Dame Cathedral

FACT: If you gave that job to Donald Trump, it would be finished in a year flat and stand for another 800 years NO SWEAT.

Modern tech could have that thing better than new in NO TIME if someone wanted to do it quickly and price was no problem. You can bet that price is NO PROBLEM. Anyone claiming it has to take decades to fix it is setting the precedent for it never opening again, just like I said below in the post about Macron vowing to rebuild it when I called B.S. on that. He wants it torn down, no if's or buts. Every last thing about that cathedral is known, down to the final letter. They know how to replace that roof already. Every last thing in that cathedral is no doubt already in CAD. Any major construction firm could take that data and punch up a perfect repair schedule in a week flat. Decades to fix it? THAT'S BULLSHIT.

I did not know the actual crown of thorns Jesus wore was in Notre Dame Cathedral

Guess what? The fire department Chaplain ran into the cathedral while it was burning, and saved the crown of thorns.
Some people were worried it was destroyed. As it turns out, it was not destroyed.

[Tumbleweed]

Incogman has a pretty good article on his site about the fire. The comments are usually pretty good too although I Haven't read through them yet.





http://incogman.net/2019/04/did-stinking-muzzies-burn-down-notre-dame/#more-155765





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[EE_]

Incogman has a pretty good article on his site about the fire. The comments are usually pretty good too although I Haven't read through them yet.





http://incogman.net/2019/04/did-stinking-muzzies-burn-down-notre-dame/#more-155765





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If the Muslim's/ISIS did it, we will never be told. Just like we probably won't be told about Sol Pias's social media history, the 18 yr old that went to Colorado to shoot up a school. I have no doubt she was a liberal, probably a big Hillary, or Bernie supporter too. Only white conservatives that commit heinous crimes make the news these days. White conservatives are the enemy of the globalists.

[EE_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=29&v=EgfYYMjpf1s

[madfranks]

And this is the response from non-whites. Spoiler: they're happy about it.

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[Hitch]

Any of you guys ever set foot inside Notre Dame? I did in 1997. 22 years ago is a nothing compared to the 800+ years of history.

Madfranks, the pictures of the non Christian people cheering and smiling is very saddening, and angering as well. We seem to be getting closer and closer to a full on, world wide, religious and racial war.

[midnight rambler]

We seem to be getting closer and closer to a full on, world wide, religious and racial war.

Courtesy of...the usual suspects!

[Spun Gold]

How convenient for the NWO cabal... they can burn down a Christian Icon, since they hate Christianity, and have so many other factions to blame. Mossad, Muslims, or just old electrical wiring. I knew something was up and it was an intentional burn when there were almost NO firefighters, firetrucks or like Trump tweeted, not fighting the fire from the air. FKin Macron did it. Im sure he enjoyed every minute of it, imagining how demoralised the yellow vest rebels would be.

[Spun Gold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAIwAf2F18

[Amanda]

https://www.sott.net/article/411378-Chief-engineer-of-Notre-Dame-That-fires-flames-needed-an-accelerant-to-reach-and-burn-the-churchs-ancient-oak-beams

Chief engineer of Notre Dame: That fire's flames needed an accelerant to reach and burn the church's ancient oak beams (https://www.agoravox.tv/tribune-libre/article/l-ancien-architecte-en-chef-de-81336)
Agora Vox (https://www.agoravox.tv/tribune-libre/article/l-ancien-architecte-en-chef-de-81336)
Thu, 18 Apr 2019 11:55 UTC


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Former chief architect/engineer of Notre Dame Cathedral, who oversaw renovation of its electrical wiring and installed a modern fire detection sytem in 2010

The head engineer responsible for the Notre Dame site had this to say on French TV two days ago about the 'accident' on Monday:
"With really old oak like that, you'd need a lot of smaller wood to first get the fire hot enough for the ancient oak beams to burn.

In 2010 we replaced all the electrical wiring, so there's no way this was sparked by a short-circuit. We put new wiring in place according to modern standards. And we went even further; we installed state-of-the-art fire protection and detection systems in the cathedral.

At all times, there are always two men on standby in the Cathedral, day and night, to go investigate anything the moment an alarm goes off, then if necessary to call the fire emergency services.

I am really stunned that this [the fire] has happened."

[madfranks]

Yeah, well on the news they had already reported that they ruled out terrorism and arson, while the flames were still burning. One: they consider us all fools, and unfortunately two: most of us are.

I'm so pissed off at what's happening, how weak and cucked out are the French leaders that they are willing to throw away 800 year monuments to their God, their people, heritage, and culture because they're afraid of being perceived as mean to the moslem invaders? Grow a pair, stand up and say NO MORE! The enemies of Christianity are CHEERING over this, they consider it a victory! And you're going to cover up for them? I don't envy those in power right now on Judgement Day, when they have to answer for this.

Exekiel 33:6 - But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.

[madfranks]

Rolling Stone Celebrates Notre Dame Burning, Says It’s a “Liberation” from Historical Europe (https://dailystormer.name/rolling-stone-celebrates-notre-dame-burning-says-its-a-liberation-from-historical-europe/)

[Horn]

https://www.sott.net/article/411378-Chief-engineer-of-Notre-Dame-That-fires-flames-needed-an-accelerant-to-reach-and-burn-the-churchs-ancient-oak-beams

Chief engineer of Notre Dame: That fire's flames needed an accelerant to reach and burn the church's ancient oak beams (https://www.agoravox.tv/tribune-libre/article/l-ancien-architecte-en-chef-de-81336)


I am really stunned that this [the fire] has happened."


Me too, with work going on at the time, safeguards would only be tripled.

Hell with the state of regulation the world lives in there'd probably be 2 fireman at the site just waiting like Rhinos to stamp out any accelerated fire.

[Amanda]

https://www.sott.net/article/411326-Are-Jews-required-to-burn-churches-After-Notre-Dame-Israeli-rabbi-says-Its-complicated

Are Jews required to burn churches? After Notre Dame, Israeli rabbi says, "It's complicated" (https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/mitzvah-churches-complicated/) Yossi Gurvitz
Mondoweiss (https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/mitzvah-churches-complicated/)
Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:57 UTC



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Prominent settler rabbi, Shlomo Aviner, ruled today (Tuesday) that burning churches outside of the Land of Yisrael "isn't our job for now", but as for the Holy Land, "the issue is more complicated". Aviner seemed to leave the question of burning churches in the Holy Land to the questioner.

Today, after the fire in Notre Dame Cathedral, Aviner was asked the following question:

"The great Christian Church in Paris is on fire. Should we feel sorry for that, or should we rejoice, as it [the cathedral] is idolatry, which is a mitzvah to burn?"

The questioner is here referring to the Halachic ruling that churches are considered idolatry, and should be destroyed.

Aviner replied as follows:
"This isn't our job for now. There is no mitzvah to seek out churches abroad and burn them down. In our holy land, however, the issue is more complicated. Indeed, the Satmar Rabbi noted one of his arguments against immigrating to Israel, that here it is indeed a mitzvah to burn churches; and by not doing so, those [immigrating to Israel] are committing a sin. Yet Rabbi Menachem Mendel Kasher, in his book 'The Great Period', rejected the Satmar Rabbi's words, citing a midrash, forbidding burning [churches], since if we burn, we'll have to rebuild, and it's a greater sin to rebuild [a church] than leave it standing. [Here Aviner cites his own book vs. the Satmar Rabbi] That church in Paris, too, will surely be rebuilt." (Oh, yes: American Jewish readers, I probably need to stress this - this is not a parody or a satire. This is actual rabbinical discourse in 2019 Israel.)

Aviner is touching here gingerly on a hot issue (pardon the pun) in his sector: Should churches be burned? Several churches have been burnt in Israel in the last few years, and the police have been spectacularly useless in capturing the arsonists. In several cases, the arson was accompanied by slogans familiar from 'price tag' attacks in the West Bank (mostly along the lines of Jewish vengeance). Four years ago, Lehava leader Benzi Gopstein, asked whether he supported church burnings, said "of course, what's the question?" His words caused uproar. Later Gopstein was indicted on incitement to violence charges, but church burning wasn't one of them.

Aviner, and other Orthodox rabbis, are in a bind here. Several immensely important rabbinic rulers, most prominent among them Maimonides, ruled that churches are places of idolatry and ought to be destroyed. The rulings are very clear. However, to support those rulings today would lead to violence, probably to a rise in anti-Semitism, and will jeopardize the alliance between the settler movement and the evangelical movement. There is also a chance of getting prosecuted for incitement for hatred, which is a crime in Israel - but then again, the law has a special exemption for "religious studies", and the prosecution has been very leery of prosecuting rabbis for hate speech, making "religious discussions" the prime way of legally-protected incitement.

Note that Aviner is walking a very tight rope here. He is dismissing out hand the burning of churches abroad, but when it comes to burning churches in Israel, he quotes two sources, not giving his own ruling. The fact that he has to walk this tightrope says volumes about the discourse among his followers and students.

[madfranks]

Me too, with work going on at the time, safeguards would only be tripled.

Hell with the state of regulation the world lives in there'd probably be 2 fireman at the site just waiting like Rhinos to stamp out any accelerated fire.

That expert said there were two people at all times on 24-hour fire watch, which is both standard for repair/maintenance of buildings while the fire suppression/alarm systems are down. I've worked on projects where the local fire dept required buildings to be on 24-hour fire watch until we were done repairing the building. If they provided even bare-minimum standard fire watch, there's no way this was an accident. And in fire investigations (which I do know a thing or two about), the very first thing you work to rule out is arson/intentional burning. And yet in this case the authorities were assuring us all that no foul play was involved before an investigation could even have started!

[midnight rambler]

the very first thing you work to rule out is arson/intentional burning.

They did! And in record time! What are you fucking complaining about?? ???

Whiner.

[Jewboo]

I've worked on projects where the local fire dept required buildings to be on 24-hour fire watch until we were done repairing the building. If they provided even bare-minimum standard fire watch, there's no way this was an accident. And in fire investigations (which I do know a thing or two about), the very first thing you work to rule out is arson/intentional burning. And yet in this case the authorities were assuring us all that no foul play was involved before an investigation could even have started!



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[midnight rambler]

Joos got their little beanies and funny and strange little boxes strapped to their foreheads, and moozie women got their head coverings, so I'm just going to go ahead and join the Cult,...er,...the CHURCH of the Flying Spaghetti Monster so I can wear FSM headgear. Yeah, that's right, I'm gonna become a Pastafarian!

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Like this, I plan on wearing it everywhere -

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[Amanda]

So, looks like the "official story/excuse" is going to be some kind of electrical short circuit nonsense...

https://www.rt.com/news/456943-notre-dame-fire-short-circuit/

"Investigators believe that an electrical short-circuit likely caused the fire that partially destroyed Paris’ iconic Notre Dame Cathedral, a French official has said. An earlier investigation too found no evidence of foul play."

But, again, that doesn't fit with what this guy had to say:

https://www.sott.net/article/411378-Chief-engineer-of-Notre-Dame-That-fires-flames-needed-an-accelerant-to-reach-and-burn-the-churchs-ancient-oak-beams

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Former chief architect/engineer of Notre Dame Cathedral, who oversaw renovation of its electrical wiring and installed a modern fire detection sytem in 2010



The head engineer responsible for the Notre Dame site had this to say on French TV two days ago about the 'accident' on Monday:
"With really old oak like that, you'd need a lot of smaller wood to first get the fire hot enough for the ancient oak beams to burn.

In 2010 we replaced all the electrical wiring, so there's no way this was sparked by a short-circuit. We put new wiring in place according to modern standards. And we went even further; we installed state-of-the-art fire protection and detection systems in the cathedral.

At all times, there are always two men on standby in the Cathedral, day and night, to go investigate anything the moment an alarm goes off, then if necessary to call the fire emergency services.

I am really stunned that this [the fire] has happened."

[Amanda]

Official BS short circuit nonsense posted here too: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-18/investigators-believe-notre-dame-fire-was-started-electrical-short-circuit

commenters not buying it

[Amanda]

More added to the story at this link: https://www.sott.net/article/411378-Chief-engineer-of-Notre-Dame-That-fires-flames-needed-an-accelerant-to-reach-and-burn-the-churchs-ancient-oak-beams


That's not all. Mouton told French construction magazine BatiActu the following (https://www.batiactu.com/edito/notre-dame-apres-incendie-rien-n-est-fini-selon-ex-56147.php):
"In 40 years of experience, I have never heard of a fire like this.

It would take a really combustible load at the start of such a fire for it to rapidly develop into the disaster we saw. Also, oak is a particularly fire-resistant wood.

The fire detection/protection system installed in the cathedral was of the highest level. It was a very expensive undertaking, but it enabled us to quickly ascertain whether a fire had started somewhere. Additionally, we had many old wooden doors replaced by fire-doors.

We also drastically reduced the number of electrical appliances throughout the building, and completely forbid them in the attic."

[madfranks]

More added to the story at this link: https://www.sott.net/article/411378-Chief-engineer-of-Notre-Dame-That-fires-flames-needed-an-accelerant-to-reach-and-burn-the-churchs-ancient-oak-beams


That's not all. Mouton told French construction magazine BatiActu the following (https://www.batiactu.com/edito/notre-dame-apres-incendie-rien-n-est-fini-selon-ex-56147.php):
"In 40 years of experience, I have never heard of a fire like this.

It would take a really combustible load at the start of such a fire for it to rapidly develop into the disaster we saw. Also, oak is a particularly fire-resistant wood.

The fire detection/protection system installed in the cathedral was of the highest level. It was a very expensive undertaking, but it enabled us to quickly ascertain whether a fire had started somewhere. Additionally, we had many old wooden doors replaced by fire-doors.

We also drastically reduced the number of electrical appliances throughout the building, and completely forbid them in the attic."



A lot of folks don't understand how advanced modern fire protection systems (both passive and active) are nowadays, and and how detailed and strict modern fire codes are. A building like this should have nothing short of the best system available in the world. The mere fact that a fire happened in a building like this is evidence of foul play. I'm still shocked those in charge aren't demanding every possibility be investigated thoroughly, including the possibility of terrorism. Instead it's like they don't even care.

[madfranks]

They did! And in record time! What are you fucking complaining about?? ???

Whiner.

Right. On the news, while live footage of the church burning was playing, the doofus on Fox news said that we don't know much about the fire, but what we do know is that it wasn't arson or terrorism. 9 out of 10 viewers are content with that explanation. "Oh, it wasn't arson or terrorism, the man on the news said so."

And then when he got a guest on from France who said they've had hundreds of moslem attacks on churches in the last few years, and this may be another, the asshole cut him off!

[madfranks]

‘Allah Akbar’: As Notre Dame burned, muslims celebrated on social media (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/allah-akbar-as-notre-dame-burned-muslims-celebrated-on-social-media)

[Horn]

That expert said there were two people at all times on 24-hour fire watch, which is both standard for repair/maintenance of buildings while the fire suppression/alarm systems are down. I've worked on projects where the local fire dept required buildings to be on 24-hour fire watch until we were done repairing the building. If they provided even bare-minimum standard fire watch, there's no way this was an accident. And in fire investigations (which I do know a thing or two about), the very first thing you work to rule out is arson/intentional burning. And yet in this case the authorities were assuring us all that no foul play was involved before an investigation could even have started!

Yeah with 2 fireman onsite the chances of it being accidental are a snowball's chance in hell.

Unless the French somehow restore churches like Satan would.

[Amanda]

anyone here speak German??

found this comment over at zerohedge:


Bunga Bunga

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When does an oak beam burn? I guy in Germany tried to set an old dried oak beam from the 1700s on fire. He tries a barbecue fire starter, welding, gasoline, making a little camp fire and a torch. All with very little success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxlnilfLitI
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxlnilfLitI)
video is in German

[madfranks]

If any event would ever warrant an extremely detailed and thorough investigation, the burning of an 800+ year old icon of Western Civilization would be it. However, there will be no such investigation, because obviously it would point to the moslems, and they are a protected class in France (as they are throughout the Western world), so much so that it's more important not to hurt their feelings than it is to bring the destroyers to justice. If we won't even push back when they burn our most significant and iconic relics of our civilization, we truly are toast.

[madfranks]

anyone here speak German??

found this comment over at zerohedge:


Bunga Bunga

26 minutes ago


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When does an oak beam burn? I guy in Germany tried to set an old dried oak beam from the 1700s on fire. He tries a barbecue fire starter, welding, gasoline, making a little camp fire and a torch. All with very little success. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxlnilfLitI
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxlnilfLitI)
video is in German





I don't speak German, but like the chief architect of Notre Dame said, you'd have to start with a smaller fire to build and maintain the heat to levels that can ignite such large heavy timbers, or use a significant accelerant. You don't hold a match to a heavy timber beam and expect it to ignite.

[Bigjon]

If any event would ever warrant an extremely detailed and thorough investigation, the burning of an 800+ year old icon of Western Civilization would be it. However, there will be no such investigation, because obviously it would point to the moslems, and they are a protected class in France (as they are throughout the Western world), so much so that it's more important not to hurt their feelings than it is to bring the destroyers to justice. If we won't even push back when they burn our most significant and iconic relics of our civilization, we truly are toast.

Really!!

BS

It would point to Macron and the Mossad.

Or to whoever they want to point it at. There are no cops, govts or anyone who does anything honest on the up and up.

This Muslim thing is arranged by the Jews. Witness Babs spector and her bs about multi-cult. She knew who was going to be the multi.

Got to clear out greater Israel and send them to whitey.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKyp1e_jYc

[Amanda]

Reposting...


https://www.sott.net/article/411326-Are-Jews-required-to-burn-churches-After-Notre-Dame-Israeli-rabbi-says-Its-complicated

Are Jews required to burn churches? After Notre Dame, Israeli rabbi says, "It's complicated" (https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/mitzvah-churches-complicated/) Yossi Gurvitz
Mondoweiss (https://mondoweiss.net/2019/04/mitzvah-churches-complicated/)
Tue, 16 Apr 2019 16:57 UTC


https://www.sott.net/image/s25/518520/large/758989.jpg (https://www.sott.net/image/s25/518520/full/758989.jpg)
Prominent settler rabbi, Shlomo Aviner, ruled today (Tuesday) that burning churches outside of the Land of Yisrael "isn't our job for now", but as for the Holy Land, "the issue is more complicated". Aviner seemed to leave the question of burning churches in the Holy Land to the questioner.

Aviner, who draws a public salary as the rabbi of the major settlement Beit El and is also the rabbi of a prestigious yeshiva (Ateret Yerushaliam, formerly Ateret Cohanim), is considered to be one most important rabbis of the religious nationalist sector. He is a prolific writer, having published more than 200 books in several languages. Aviner is also considered a pioneer of the SHUT-SMS phenomenon, by which fans send the rabbi a question via SMS message (and more recently, Facebook Messenger and Whatsup), and Aviner gives back a short reply. Aviner is one of the more popular SHUT-SMS rabbis because he tends to answer every question, even trollish ones (I'm speaking from experience here).

Today, after the fire in Notre Dame Cathedral, Aviner was asked the following question:

"The great Christian Church in Paris is on fire. Should we feel sorry for that, or should we rejoice, as it [the cathedral] is idolatry, which is a mitzvah to burn?"

The questioner is here referring to the Halachic ruling that churches are considered idolatry, and should be destroyed.

Aviner replied as follows:
"This isn't our job for now. There is no mitzvah to seek out churches abroad and burn them down. In our holy land, however, the issue is more complicated. Indeed, the Satmar Rabbi noted one of his arguments against immigrating to Israel, that here it is indeed a mitzvah to burn churches; and by not doing so, those [immigrating to Israel] are committing a sin. Yet Rabbi Menachem Mendel Kasher, in his book 'The Great Period', rejected the Satmar Rabbi's words, citing a midrash, forbidding burning [churches], since if we burn, we'll have to rebuild, and it's a greater sin to rebuild [a church] than leave it standing. [Here Aviner cites his own book vs. the Satmar Rabbi] That church in Paris, too, will surely be rebuilt." (Oh, yes: American Jewish readers, I probably need to stress this - this is not a parody or a satire. This is actual rabbinical discourse in 2019 Israel.)

Aviner is touching here gingerly on a hot issue (pardon the pun) in his sector: Should churches be burned? Several churches have been burnt in Israel in the last few years, and the police have been spectacularly useless in capturing the arsonists. In several cases, the arson was accompanied by slogans familiar from 'price tag' attacks in the West Bank (mostly along the lines of Jewish vengeance). Four years ago, Lehava leader Benzi Gopstein, asked whether he supported church burnings, said "of course, what's the question?" His words caused uproar. Later Gopstein was indicted on incitement to violence charges, but church burning wasn't one of them.

Aviner, and other Orthodox rabbis, are in a bind here. Several immensely important rabbinic rulers, most prominent among them Maimonides, ruled that churches are places of idolatry and ought to be destroyed. The rulings are very clear. However, to support those rulings today would lead to violence, probably to a rise in anti-Semitism, and will jeopardize the alliance between the settler movement and the evangelical movement. There is also a chance of getting prosecuted for incitement for hatred, which is a crime in Israel - but then again, the law has a special exemption for "religious studies", and the prosecution has been very leery of prosecuting rabbis for hate speech, making "religious discussions" the prime way of legally-protected incitement.

Note that Aviner is walking a very tight rope here. He is dismissing out hand the burning of churches abroad, but when it comes to burning churches in Israel, he quotes two sources, not giving his own ruling. The fact that he has to walk this tightrope says volumes about the discourse among his followers and students.
Yossi Gurvitz is a journalist and a blogger, and has covered the occupation extensively.

[Bigjon]

https://twitter.com/GiladAtzmon/status/1118884291784642560

Never to forgive, never to forget...Radical rabbi says Notre Dame fire retribution for 13th-century Talmud burning | The Times of Israel

Same guy as above story

Radical rabbi says Notre Dame fire retribution for 13th century Talmud burningShlomo Aviner, who moved to Israel from France in the 1960s, suggests fire that gutted iconic church may have been divine retribution for burning of Je


(https://t.co/iO8OTMg4Su)

[Horn]

When does an oak beam burn?

Not sure that was a very good example of Notre Dame.

Though any competent city fire department would have had a foolproof solution to extinguish a Main attraction 800yr. old structure within 20 minutes, Not just let it roast all day due it being "kinda tall"

"We Oui we hadn't thought about that roof (we call the forest) catching fire in 800yrs.. its kind of tall"

[Bigjon]

CONFIRMED: Notre Dame was virtually unhurt by the fire, and any claims that it has to be "rebuilt" are hoaxes with a motive

The hoax of Notre Dame:

This hoax involved burning a wooden facade "roof" that probably kept water off a secondary roof and prevented freezing problems with the second roof, and NOTHING MORE. Unlike what you have been told by the scamming MSM, the cathedral would never have collapsed because the actual support for the cathedral was provided by the side arches, and the arches of an interior brick and concrete roof three feet thick. This secondary interior roof prevented damage to the inside of the cathedral, except where the spire (questionably, it likely had help) "fell through" it.The hoax about the cathedral being "destroyed" is now confirmed. Let's get this party started.

Here is how the wooden roof was attached. You can clearly see the concrete dome roof under it was supporting it, and now has less weight to hold with it gone and it would actually be less likely to collapse now provided the heat of the fire did not significantly damage it:http://82.221.129.208/pages/notredamewood.jpg
Here is a picture of that burned wooden roof laying on top of the concrete and brick roof under it. Notre Dame was built a LOT better than anything the Romans ever did. With the Roman stuff, once the wooden roof was gone, all that remained was pillars. Clearly here, the real roof consisted of a series of concrete and brick domes.
Here's why the cathedral was, except for where the spire fell through, unscathed:

http://82.221.129.208/pages/notredameconcrete.jpgWhen you consider the scale of the above picture, the concrete and brick were at least three feet thick on the interior roof. There's no way this cathedral got significantly hurt, to the tune of a billion dollars.
Let's take a look at the inside after the fire

http://82.221.129.208/pages/notredameinterior.jpg
Clearly, from the aftermath photo of the interior, they could turn the lights back on if they wanted to. The concrete roof held up so well for so long that there's not even significant smoke damage.

Conclusion: The cathedral is not destroyed, and any stories about how it got devastated are only cover for bilking cash for pork barrel projects and excuses to delay, delay, AND DELAY re-opening it. The cash is there to fix this PRONTO. If the desire is there to fix it (by the people in control), it ought to be open before the end of August with money obviously being no object.

There's no excuse to delay re-opening this cathedral. It was clearly designed to get through a worst case scenario, for the purpose of protecting the priceless antiquities it contained, and the plan worked. Not a single antiquity was lost. None of the candles in the cathedral melted. It got through this that well. If this cathedral does not open STAT, it is because someone (who is importing hordes of Muslims to overtake and destroy Europe) does not want it to open.

[ziero0]

Did Quasimoto survive?

[midnight rambler]

Michael 0bombya “uplifted” by Notre Dame fire.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichelleObama/status/111792838171738931 (https://mobile.twitter.com/MichelleObama/status/1117928381717389313)

[ziero0]

Michael 0bombya “uplifted” by Norte Dame fire.


lifting us to a higher understanding

A little less understanding please. A little more knowledge.

[Bigjon]

From Jim Stone: (http://82.221.129.208/.wn3.html)

Update to below:

It appears that this story has triggered the isolation of key information points on the web to prevent it from going viral. Additionally some of the re-posts of this people copied from here and put elsewhere used the earliest version that is not worded as well or as completely (and has a less clear Michelle watching it burn photo, my error, I accidentally downscaled it) so you might want to put it back up again with the final write that is now posted.

BLOCKBUSTER: PROVEN: Michelle Obama and other global elite burned Notre Dame Cathedral, and celebrated

This is going to be the top posted report for several days, and it will not drift down the page. If you link this, it will be what people see on top.To get this all started: I had heard of Michelle Obama's dinner cruise coinciding with the burning of the cathedral, but was not certain it would be possible to pin it down on her. As it turns out, it was possible to. Other people had already posted on this topic, but the work was done in a way that could be questioned as to how legit it was. So I set out to see if there was a way to actually pin it down, and there was a way.

There is no doubt the elite New World Order crowd burned Notre Dame and celebrated, I have this sewn up in a body bag. Let's get started.
First of all, let's briefly cite the official story on Michelle Obama's cruise, and then let's put things in actual order and show what really happened. Here's the official story:
"Michelle Obama was spotted on an idyllic dinner cruise in Paris on Monday night when she and the other guests learned that the nearby Notre Dame Cathedral had gone up in flames
The mood of passengers changed when news of the fire at Notre Dame filtered through. At one point during the cruise, Mrs Obama stared intently at a fellow passenger's phone

OK, SO NOW I AM GOING TO SHOW YOU WHAT REALLY HAPPENED, AND IT IS ALL RECORDED IN THE WINE GLASSES. THIS IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE "QUESTIONABLE"(not questionable really) MICHELLE OBAMA WINE GLASS PHOTO YOU MIGHT HAVE ALREADY SEEN, instead, it shows how people on the boat were reacting and socializing when they knew the cathedral was burning.

The cruise departed AFTER the cathedral was already hurling smoke into the sky. This is proven by the reflections in the wine glass in this photo which shows a rather happy Michelle Obama. You can't see the actual cathedral in this photo yet because the dinner cruise is not close enough yet but they are all happy and they definitely know it is burning.http://82.221.129.208/nd1.jpg
A little later in the cruise, we still have a very happy Michelle Obama, with the smoke from the burning cathedral still in her wine glass:http://82.221.129.208/nd2.jpg
In this next photo (below), they are close to the burning cathedral, it is OBVIOUS WHAT THIS IS, and you can see the burning cathedral clearly reflected in Michelle's wine glass. Other sites that found this only showed Michelle, and did not give the context which put all of this in doubt because after all, that photo could have been pasted onto that wine glass with a little photoshop.

PROBLEM: This actually is an original photo that appeared in original form in
THIS NEWS REPORT (https://www.newsypeople.com/michelle-obama-was-on-a-paris-cruise-when-notre-dame-caught-fire/) which proves it was not photoshop, that's an actual photo in original form.
LOOK AT THE PEOPLE ON THIS YACHT. THEY ARE NOT SAD AT ALL THAT THE CATHEDRAL IS BURNING, AND THE LOOK ON MICHELLE'S FACE IS ONE OF VINDICATION. SHE'S NOT SAD, SHE'S VENGEFULLY SATISFIED. THIS CINCHES IT - THE CRUISE WAS DONE TO WATCH THE CATHEDRAL BURN. THE PEOPLE ON THE BOAT SET THIS UP.

http://82.221.129.208/nd3.jpgAnd here is what Michelle was looking at, that was reflected in her wine glass:

http://82.221.129.208/nd4.jpg
All the news reports said Michelle did not get close enough to see the cathedral this way. I CALL BULLSHIT, the wine glass DID NOT LIE.
Why would they get close enough to witness it like this? It is called a "victory tour".
IMPORTANT: The news report I linked does not quote what is shown in the pictures in order or accurately at all, the photo where they are right up to the burning cathedral with it clearly showing in her wine glass is supposed to be from before she knew it was burning according to the reports. Obviously whoever put the MSM report together thought that because the chinese girl is very happy in the background they did not know yet and whoever wrote the report can't look at a damn wine glass and was too clueless to know they wanted this.

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[Amanda]

quick one from Steve Pieczenik

OPUS 141 Frenchie False Flag Notre DameOh pulleez, dont even try to tell me differently, this is a false flag ala french farce. Macron is dying in the polls and will do anything for cash, or anything he is told.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpAIwAf2F18


Looks like Notre Dame going up in flames isn't stopping the yellow vest protests--they're still out there chanting revolution vive la france, looks like rothschild puppet Macron just gassed them in Bordeaux

on this twitter https://twitter.com/willyloman1?lang=en

[Horn]

Here ya go Architect Franks, the Notre Dame roof is due to be replaced by a Renault type roof made of glass and steel.

Just as I suspected


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lB5QbMxvac&t=28s

[ziero0]

Here ya go Architect Franks, the Notre Dame roof is due to be replaced by a Renault type roof made of glass and steel.

Just as I suspected


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lB5QbMxvac&t=28s

At least Tesla didn't get in there first with a solar panel roof.

[Neuro]

Here ya go Architect Franks, the Notre Dame roof is due to be replaced by a Renault type roof made of glass and steel.

Just as I suspected


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lB5QbMxvac&t=28s

Spot on by Paul Joseph Watson. Modern architecture is absolutely hideous, and inhuman...

[StreetsOfGold]

What's really behind the ND fire


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF1Hdroe4Ls&t=2s

[madfranks]

Spot on by Paul Joseph Watson. Modern architecture is absolutely hideous, and inhuman...Ugh, it's only Monday morning and my week is already ruined.

[Neuro]

So they are going to turn it into the worlds most expensive greenhouse to feed the poor muslims...

https://www.rt.com/news/458893-notre-dame-solar-garden/

https://cdni.rt.com/files/2019.05/xxl/5cd461ddfc7e9328208b465c.jpg

Using the destruction of one of the prime Christian sites in the world as a chance to push your pet environmental agendas is disrespectful to Notre Dame's heritage. Also, architects, please stop putting fake tiny parks everywhere.

Top French design bureau Vincent Callebaut Architectures has gone viral with its plans to replace the roof of the medieval cathedral with a glass shell filled with solar panels.

Underneath will be a "sustainable" farm capable of producing 21 tons of fruit and vegetables each year, to be given out for free to the homeless. Not coincidentally perhaps, this is at least the third eco-garden proposal that has been made public, while the vast majority of the submitted designs for the planned reconstruction feature a glass roof.

One can picture the unquestioning thought processes percolating through these architectural firms: how can we keep the idea of a church being a beneficial public space alive, while updating it to the present day? What could be more positive than green energy?

There is one thing: restoring Notre Dame as a cathedral space. One understands that these designers are secular in their worldview even if nominally religious, but why do they so blithely assume that they can take a building away from the Catholics who have maintained it continuously for 800 years, without even asking them, and turn it into something more to their liking? Esoteric as it may be, a cathedral has a function that is spiritual – it should facilitate communion with God – and having a vegetable patch may dilute this purpose. Environmentalism, quasi-religious as it is, does not equal bona fide Christianity.

For Christ’s sake! Why do liberals get tongue-tied when discussing the world’s largest religion?
The architects might think there is something so post-modernly clever and ingeniously practical about their designs, but in fact they are just odd: if a football stadium was damaged in a fire, in a competition to restore it you wouldn't submit a blueprint to turn it into a shopping center or a theme park just because you don't like football. The fans still want to watch their team somewhere.

And overused as such examples are, one would imagine if Al-Haram Mosque in Mecca, or the Angkor Wat were damaged, the same firm would think twice about even publishing their unsolicited proposals for a glass box with a visitor center and viewing platform, which has happened with at least one of the designs here. Why do you hate your own cultural history that much?

But maybe we are all thinking too narrowly. Maybe we are missing the aesthetic originality these architects are bringing into the world. But what is with the fetish for putting gardens in urban spaces? One assumes that the thinking goes: "A forest in the middle of a stone building – magical!" Though what you get instead is some thin, zoned greenery in a place where it would never naturally appear: not Eden but an inauthentic, inorganic party trick that will cost millions to maintain (could just give that money to the homeless instead of some carrots). And as you might see from its replication in so many near-identical submissions for Paris, this isn't even some budding idea. This is the prevailing "premium" urban aesthetic from New York's High Line, to Boris Johnson's never-to-be Garden Bridge, to dozens of shopping malls and restaurants in any global metropolis.

So, here is the challenge, architects. If you are interested in more than easy clicks, what if instead of suggesting overplayed and soon-to-be-dated airport terminal roofs, you think of something that TRULY captures the spirit and purpose of Notre Dame, but is NOT a shiny brand-new replica of its every architectural evolution. If you can solve that conundrum, it is not just the devout who will be thankful in their prayers.

By Igor Ogorodnev
Igor Ogorodnev is a Russian-British journalist, who has worked at RT since 2007 as a correspondent, editor and writer.

[Down1]

That's pretty ugly.

[Tumbleweed]

So they are going to turn it into the worlds most expensive greenhouse to feed the poor muslims...

https://www.rt.com/news/458893-notre-dame-solar-garden/
Underneath will be a "sustainable" farm capable of producing 21 tons of fruit and vegetables each year, to be given out for free to the homeless. Not coincidentally perhaps, this is at least the third eco-garden proposal that has been made public, while the vast majority of the submitted designs for the planned reconstruction feature a glass roof.



I've been thinking the descendants of Satan through Cain are offering up vegatables to God again kind of like their ancestor Cain. Sort of like giving god the finger.

[Neuro]

I've been thinking the descendants of Satan through Cain are offering up vegatables to God again kind of like their ancestor Cain. Sort of like giving god the finger.

Spot on I think!

[Tumbleweed]

Spot on I think!

A burnt offering.

[Neuro]

A burnt offering.

A holocaust/Jewish lightning event...

[madfranks]

Yet another slap in the face to God. This repair should follow the intent of the original building, that is, architectural representation of the timeless and eternal truths found in the Bible. These buildings were intended to be permanent structures to glorify God, not greenhouses.

[Tumbleweed]

Yet another slap in the face to God. This repair should follow the intent of the original building, that is, architectural representation of the timeless and eternal truths found in the Bible. These buildings were intended to be permanent structures to glorify God, not greenhouses.


Amen!

[Horn]

What ever they do there, they will make a new James Bond flick that has a chase scene going through its construction.

[Down1]

How about a swim Goyim ?

A Swedish architecture firm has proposed converting the entirety of Notre Dame Cathedral’s fire-ravaged roof into a swimming pool — a radical departure from the Gothic structure’s traditional design.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/architecture-firm-wants-to-turn-notre-dame-cathedral-roof-into-swimming-pool/

[madfranks]

How about a swim Goyim ?

https://nypost.com/2019/05/16/architecture-firm-wants-to-turn-notre-dame-cathedral-roof-into-swimming-pool/

If they do, I hope God sends a meteor to destroy it all.

[EE_]

Yes, turn it into a big swimming pool with a big statue in the middle of it. Go all the way.

https://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/2015/07/26/satan-statue.jpg

[Tumbleweed]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OcahwWxvm6w/VjunpXYw9aI/AAAAAAAANMY/YNZpwD0Eog4/s1600/Edwin%2BDeakin%2B-%2BNotre%2BDame%252C%2BParis.jpg

Edwin Deakin Notre Dame, Paris

[Tumbleweed]

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Sw_UWqH-Nzc/VkeTPSc6hgI/AAAAAAAANlI/v-mwx_LfzI0/s1600/tumblr_nxsh16ebZA1uvd0n3o1_1280.jpg

Alexis Vollon Notre-Dame de Paris.

[Down1]

French Senate Passes Bill Demanding Notre Dame be Rebuilt Exactly How It Was Before the Fire

Stipulation quashes Macron’s attempt at ‘modern’ re-design
https://summit.news/2019/05/28/french-senate-passes-bill-demanding-notre-dame-be-rebuilt-exactly-how-it-was-before-the-fire/