Wisest Words Ever

[singular_me]

of course some got it...


https://i.pinimg.com/564x/54/7b/35/547b3541e63ae6103e6732449b23cd2a.jpg

[Jewboo]

https://pics.me.me/gibs-me-dats-for-free-karl-marx-32431980.png

:rolleyes:

[madfranks]

The problem is, the world doesn't owe you, me, or anyone else a damn thing. If the welfare state didn't exist, if you don't work, you don't eat. Nothing is free, everything must be paid for, either with money, time, labor, or any other such thing. If you don't earn your living yet expect to be fed, clothed, sheltered and taken care of, the only way to achieve that is to force someone else to do it for you.

[cheka.]

the option in the OP has always been available. but it ignores human nature. the vast majority would rather work for a check than blaze their own trail. it's what they prefer, pure and simple.

two or three generations back it was common to live on 'farms' - producing what you needed from the land. people willfully gave that up for a paycheck

[Twisted Titan]

of course some got it...


https://i.pinimg.com/564x/54/7b/35/547b3541e63ae6103e6732449b23cd2a.jpg


Spoken like a true socialist.


Mr. Fuller had and unprecedented number of patents and books written by him.

Why didnt he allow his patens to be open source???

Cause he wanted money.

Why didnt he give his books away for free.

Cause he wanted money.

He is a hypocrite of the first order.

Just like all left socialists

[midnight rambler]

the vast majority would rather work for a check than blaze their own trail. it's what they prefer, pure and simple.

I haven't worked for an 'employer' whereby I got a paycheck for a full four decades.

The same quote above applies to those whining about the Infernal Revenue Service...when advised they have the ability to opt out they never take the steps to do so (as in don't even ask what's involved). Apparently being a slave is where their comfort zone is. It's sad. It would seem they would rather have their resources going to fund clown world.

[Twisted Titan]

I haven't worked for an 'employer' whereby I got a paycheck for a full four decades.

The same quote above applies to those whining about the Infernal Revenue Service...when advised they have the ability to opt out they never take the steps to do so (as in don't even ask what's involved). Apparently being a slave is where their comfort zone is. It's sad. It would seem they would rather have their resources going to fund clown world.



I respectfully disagree.

Render to ceasar, what is Caesar ( money)
Render to God what is Gods. ( souls)

Jesus paid his taxes

[cheka.]

I haven't worked for an 'employer' whereby I got a paycheck for a full four decades.

The same quote above applies to those whining about the Infernal Revenue Service...when advised they have the ability to opt out they never take the steps to do so (as in don't even ask what's involved). Apparently being a slave is where their comfort zone is. It's sad. It would seem they would rather have their resources going to fund clown world.

i have the highest admiration for people who make their own money, not working for the man. i did my best to raise my kids that way -- but failed. they choose the paychecks despite my brainwashing attempts o)(~

[singular_me]

sorry guys but none of you understands that capitalism does only work if there is a monopoly on value by an elite (financial or/and state), this because value is subjective... so without a monopoly on it, capitalism falls apart. Hence why pms and fiat money have always been in the hands of cartels... so CAPITALISM IS NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. The flaws are embedded in the premise...

even von mises knew it, that value does not lie in things
so stay stuck in your paradigm and until you get it

Free markets are a fantasy because we cannot prevent some to compete/collude for the monopoly on value. Do you get it?

It is all a scam to control the masses that has existed since ever!!
wake up and smell the coffee..

A money free system is NOT communism/socialism because even the latter need the monopoly on value to function, just as capitalism. Any ideology involving competition/darwinism is capitalism therefore.

A money-free society is motivated by the purpose of life, birthrights and the understanding that earth is our host, the respect for creation. Moreover man does not own earth but earth owns him... try to debunk this metaphysical axiom... and good luck!

Jiddu Krishnamurti - Most people are occupied with jobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5kTObI2Y_s&t=8s

https://thefinanser.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/JLP.jpg

[midnight rambler]

I respectfully disagree.

Render to ceasar, what is Caesar ( money)
Render to God what is Gods. ( souls)

Jesus paid his taxes

Believe that Zio*-brainwashing if you wish.

Give God what is right, not what is left.

TA, kindly explain to me how YOU became liable for the 'Federal income tax'. TIA

*you KNOW that nonsense comes directly from those who regard YOU as THEIR slave

[cheka.]

sorry guys but none of you understands that capitalism does only work if there is a monopoly on value by an elite (financial or/and state), this because value is subjective... so without a monopoly on it, capitalism falls apart. Hence why pms and fiat money have always been in the hands of cartels... so CAPITALISM IS NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. The flaws are embedded in the premise...

even von mises knew it, that value does not lie in things

so stay stuck in your paradigm and until you get it

Free markets are a fantasy because we cannot prevent some to compete/collude for the monopoly in value. Do you get it?

It is all a scam to control the masses that has existed since ever!!

wake up and smell the coffee..

A money free system is NOT communism/socialism because even the latter need the monopoly on value to function, just as capitalism. Any ideology involving competition/darwinism is capitalism therefore.

Moreover man does not own earth but earth owns him... try to fight this metaphysical axiom... and good luck



somebody has to grow/catch the food. how does your theory handle that?

[Jewboo]

https://thefinanser.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/JLP.jpg




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeloGgT8g8

Patrick Stewart Net Worth = $60 Million, Cars, House, Private Jets and Luxurious Lifestyle

Goldissima is shameless with her phony "quotes" and amusing with her absurd commie bullshit.

:D liar

[singular_me]

I repeat... without a monopoly on value, capitalism falls apart. Hence why pms and fiat money have always been in the hands of cartels... so CAPITALISM IS NOT GOING TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. The flaws are embedded in the premise... free markets have never and will never exist(ed)

[midnight rambler]

(((High finance))) Capitalism ≠ to free enterprise. Many get confused about this.

Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same dirty coin.

[singular_me]

somebody has to grow/catch the food. how does your theory handle that?

many people will be glad to contribute 10hrs weekly instead of working mindless jobs 40hrs/weekly, you'd be surprised :)

vertical farming will feed many cities, but the obstacle to vertical farming today is the costs of electricity... yes money again. The evidence that money is against social welfare.

a money free society will also not overproduce since there is no financial incentive, today we mainly work to overproduce and destroy nature. Producing what is only needed is incompatible with monetarism. Of course to get a sport car in a free money society may take months as luxury will not be a priority. There are much more important things to do, like DEpolluting the planet.

Labor as we know it, and especially with technology advances, has become meaningless.


https://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/education/

[madfranks]

https://thefinanser.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/JLP.jpg

Good luck trying to convince these fine folks:

https://i.postimg.cc/8z9vwz4K/robber.jpg

[Horn]

They fear going back to school because what they learn there is that only Men should earn a living.

Ofcourse the aquistion of wealth is meaningless, when the market dictates your assets toxic and your money is paper.

[Hitch]

a money free society will also not overproduce since there is no financial incentive, today we mainly work to overproduce and destroy nature. Producing what is only needed is incompatible with monetarism. Of course to get a sport car in a free money society may take months as luxury will not be a priority. There are much more important things to do, like DEpolluting the planet.

Labor as we know it, and especially with technology advances, has become meaningless.


The flaw in your theory is women. Men will always over produce (your sports car example), because that's how women choose men to be with. Wilt Chamberlain, the basketball player, slept with over 10,000 women because he had fame and money. That's 10,000 women right there, that reward chasing money and possessions, yet only one man.

Women are the driving force behind over production, over consumption, and mindless crap like fancy brand name shoes and clothes. A money free society...boohoo, that's not exciting or attractive!

[Horn]

many people will be glad to contribute 10hrs weekly instead of working mindless jobs 40hrs/weekly, you'd be surprised :)

vertical farming will feed many cities, but the obstacle to vertical farming today is the costs of electricity... yes money again. The evidence that money is against social welfare.

a money free society will also not overproduce since there is no financial incentive, today we mainly work to overproduce and destroy nature. Producing what is only needed is incompatible with monetarism. Of course to get a sport car in a free money society may take months as luxury will not be a priority. There are much more important things to do, like DEpolluting the planet.

Labor as we know it, and especially with technology advances, has become meaningless.


https://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/education/

I imagine myself put out to pasture, constantly grazing thru budding grapes.

This all sounds like its leading to Chinese Facebook Social Rewards for goody2shoes as currency then. Talk about a blackhole to vanity and mirrored 1/2 life...

Hopefully Assange hacks that shit.

[ziero0]

Ahhh ... the ole Morlock vs Eloi conundrum. To live a carefree life on the surface while your (cannibal) servants toll in out of sight squalor. Today the entitled U.S. citizen would represent the Eloi while the entire China nation works to support them.

[madfranks]

The flaw in your theory is women. Men will always over produce (your sports car example), because that's how women choose men to be with. Wilt Chamberlain, the basketball player, slept with over 10,000 women because he had fame and money. That's 10,000 women right there, that reward chasing money and possessions, yet only one man.

Women are the driving force behind over production, over consumption, and mindless crap like fancy brand name shoes and clothes. A money free society...boohoo, that's not exciting or attractive!

Interestingly, I read the other day that women overwhelmingly direct the marketable goods economy, meaning, the majority of purchasing decisions in America are made by women. This is the way it is in my family; I produce and bring in the paycheck, my wife spends it. That doesn't bother me though, she does a good job buying what we need. I like what she buys and cooks for dinner, I like the clothes she gets for the kids, I like the vacations she plans for us.

[midnight rambler]

Interestingly, I read the other day that women overwhelmingly direct the marketable goods economy, meaning, the majority of purchasing decisions in America are made by women. This is the way it is in my family; I produce and bring in the paycheck, my wife spends it. That doesn't bother me though, she does a good job buying what we need. I like what she buys and cooks for dinner, I like the clothes she gets for the kids, I like the vacations she plans for us.

It sounds like you found a pearl of a girl.

[madfranks]

It sounds like you found a pearl of a girl.I did, and I thank God every day for her.

[Twisted Titan]

Believe that Zio*-brainwashing if you wish.

Give God what is right, not what is left.

TA, kindly explain to me how YOU became liable for the 'Federal income tax'. TIA

*you KNOW that nonsense comes directly from those who regard YOU as THEIR slave


I didn't.

Thing is I don't want to burn this country to the ground and start all over again.

This country has a shitload of problems but for the most part we have a unprecedented level of freedom that is literally the envy of the world.

We can literally light the world on fire with our nuclear weapons at the snap of the president fingers.

We got our share of problems and the IRS is a doozie but when you stand back and weigh it on the scales of life.

ItI aint that bad .

Plus we can make our money dissapear into PM's and basically uncle Sam has to pound sand.

What my point??

It ain't perfect ( nothing is but Jesus)

But it better than anything else

[Twisted Titan]

It sounds like you found a pearl of a girl.


Proverbs 18.22

Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good*thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.




See how true the Bible is???

All you got to do is follow it and you get all the goodies and more than you can handle, believe me, I am a living witness

[Twisted Titan]

I did, and I thank God every day for her.

Ding@! Ding!! Ding!!! Ding! Ding!!

I didnt even read his comment before I posted.

Thank you Father for confirming that your word is true!

[midnight rambler]

I didn't.


You didn't what?? ???

[singular_me]

what you do not GET book, is that the star trek quote is from MOVIE SCRIPT... written by hollywood, hence telling you the Truth... now if the actor does NOT believe in the lines he was saying, thats another story.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EeloGgT8g8

Patrick Stewart Net Worth = $60 Million, Cars, House, Private Jets and Luxurious Lifestyle

Goldissima is shameless with her phony "quotes" and amusing with her absurd commie bullshit.

:D liar

[singular_me]

(((High finance))) Capitalism ≠ to free enterprise. Many get confused about this.

Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same dirty coin.

again, there is no such a thing as free enterprise, as the monopoly on value must first exist to sustain the market, but this monopoly is the root of all corruption because especially those at the top must continue to remain ahead of the game... any monetary system will lead to this, some faster than others

Peter Joseph continues to destroy the Anarcho-capitalists / Stefan Molyneux [ Zeitgeist ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ca1AYi32Q

[singular_me]

yep sure they are savages, but who cares? see how Nature forces us to understand our inter-connection with everything, all life forms, even those we consider as savages ??? That is why I think nationalism and supremacy are too deceptions

The biggest taxpayer, that remains to be seen, but with a lot of power irrevocably for sure. Generally at that business level, firms pay little to no taxes but spend a lot on lobbying. But the gold industry went farther when coming up with cyanidation, an early 1900's breakthrough, to extract colossal profits from low grade ores. Greed can never be satisfied. But the use of extremely dangerous chemicals is not restricted to gold mines only. Sulfuric acid is used for copper for example. (see link at bottom page).

Precious metals as money? No thanks, sorry!


===>>> ps: they call cyanidation a BREAKTHROUGH... greed supports self destruction

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The $100bn gold mine and the West Papuans who say they are counting the cost. Grasberg mine in the Indonesian region has been a source of untold wealth for its owners, but local communities say it has brought poverty and oppression (2016)

Today, these remote, sharp-edged mountains are part of West Papua, Indonesia, and home to the Grasberg mine, one of the biggest gold mines – and third largest copper mine – in the world. Majority-owned by the American mining firm Freeport McMoRan, Grasberg is now Indonesia’s biggest taxpayer, with reserves worth an estimated $100bn (£80bn).
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/02/100-bn-dollar-gold-mine-west-papuans-say-they-are-counting-the-cost-indonesia



Environmental and social concerns at the Lihir gold mine, Papua New Guinea
https://ejatlas.org/conflict/lihir-mine-papua-new-guinea

“Barrick will sell its interests without proper notice and exit Papua New Guinea leaving the landowners with a new owner who will not provide restitution for the damage left behind so that MRE, the landowners or citizens of Papua New Guinea will be left with an insurmountable bill to remedy the social and environmental damage” (2015)
https://ramumine.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/barrick-gold-faces-legal-action-in-png-over-porgera-mine/

SOLOMON ISLANDS PARADISE DESTROYED BY PLUNDER (april 2019)
http://pngicentral.org/reports/solomon-islands-paradise-destroyed-by-plunder#logging-and-mining

MARCH 18, 2019 Mining pollution limits access to clean water in Papua New Guinea
https://phys.org/news/2019-03-pollution-limits-access-papua-guinea.html

Acid drainage: the global environmental crisis you’ve never heard of ( 2017)
Cyanidation was the breakthrough gold mining technology of the 1890s, when it enabled Anglo mining conglomerates to make colossal profits from low grade ores. Simply put: cyanidation involves mixing finely crushed ores (referred to as “sands” or, when water-based, “slimes”) in a weak cyanide solution (usually calcium cyanide). This solution is then mixed in large tanks and the gold separated from its ore body. The process increases yields of gold but produces immense quantities of highly-toxic waste that releases acid and metals into the environment. Around 90% of all gold extracted worldwide uses this method.
https://theconversation.com/acid-drainage-the-global-environmental-crisis-youve-never-heard-of-83515

75% of the World’s Mining Companies are Based in Canada
https://deepgreenresistancenewyork.org/civilization/ecocide/extraction/75-of-the-worlds-mining-companies-are-based-in-canada/

Chemicals Used in Mining
https://en.hesperian.org/hhg/A_Community_Guide_to_Environmental_Health:Chemical s_Used_in_Mining

[Neuro]

Interestingly, I read the other day that women overwhelmingly direct the marketable goods economy, meaning, the majority of purchasing decisions in America are made by women. This is the way it is in my family; I produce and bring in the paycheck, my wife spends it. That doesn't bother me though, she does a good job buying what we need. I like what she buys and cooks for dinner, I like the clothes she gets for the kids, I like the vacations she plans for us.
I am pretty sure if only men made purchasing decisions, we would get into this economic death spiral, because we really don’t want to buy anything ’unnecessary’ unless we bathe in cash. And the less being consumed the less the producers ie men, would have in ‘excess’ and the more we would scrounge. Women being heard animals can do this for a while too, but rarely without exceptions and definitely not for eternity.

Women are the drivers of economic prosperity.

[EE_]

I am pretty sure if only men made purchasing decisions, we would get into this economic death spiral, because we really don’t want to buy anything ’unnecessary’ unless we bathe in cash. And the less being consumed the less the producers ie men, would have in ‘excess’ and the more we would scrounge. Women being heard animals can do this for a while too, but rarely without exceptions and definitely not for eternity.

Women are the drivers of economic prosperity.

Most men shop for value. To prove this, in most relationships/marriages, take everything the man buys and sell them soon after he buys them. You will see much, if not most of the money returned. Now take everything the woman buys and do the same. You will likely see very little, to nothing returned.
Men = value spending
Women = frivolous spending

Women are the drivers of useless spending that creates economic prosperity.

[Neuro]

Most men shop for value. To prove this, in most relationships/marriages, take everything the man buys and sell them soon after he buys them. You will see much, if not most of the money returned. Now take everything the woman buys and do the same. You will likely see very little, to nothing returned.
Men = value spending
Women = frivolous spending

Women are the drivers of useless spending that creates economic prosperity.
Indeed!

I am pretty sure that the value of gold is derived primarily from women’s desire for it. The fact that men find it useful to invest in it is secondary. Women may of course spend a lot of resources buying base metals that are made to look like gold, if it has a “good” label on it, which in short time will be worthless, as long as it makes her feel good.

Of course gold is in many ways the optimal investment for a man. It makes his woman happy, and it keeps its value!

This makes me think that Goldie is barking up the wrong tree here. She should bring her message to her consuming sisters instead. They are the ones in the driving seats. If everyone had the spending habits of middle aged men (which is what this forum mostly consists of), the capitalist system would soon come to a screeching halt.

[singular_me]

here is why we work 40hrs/week

Books darling speaking

Get Out Of The Materialism Trap NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1i7UGBz1Q

[singular_me]

ahaha, thats women's fault now... you are totally irrational Neuro

nope that it how it goes in a profit based system, endless growth is a hoax, period. Energy is the only true value and all the money that exists cannot buy earth.

Value is subjective and needs to be monopolized by a currency to allow trading, so having a top 1% is unavoidable.

I understand the Mysteries and the evil secret of power than you


QUOTING A FRIEND OF MINE
all 'money' is imaginary, not just digital money. It is all currency and currency only holds value by confidence. In other words, as long as you believe it has any value it will be seen as value (a confidence game). People never thrive with any money/currency/economy systems, only those who create and run the systems benefit.

If you are working and producing now for 'money', removing money still means you are still working and producing. I can't believe people can't see past this conditioning and deceptions about money being important. Money does NOTHING, people do EVERYTHING. That would not change, we would just not be limited by these false scarcity created by 'lacking money'. No longer would we say 'sorry, no funds for that project or research', we would not be limited anymore.

Your food and water now, how do you think it magically appears...it doesn't appear by money, it is their by nature and people's efforts!!!

Are people this brainwashed and blinded by money????





This makes me think that Goldie is barking up the wrong tree here. She should bring her message to her consuming sisters instead. They are the ones in the driving seats. If everyone had the spending habits of middle aged men (which is what this forum mostly consists of), the capitalist system would soon come to a screeching halt.

[ziero0]

Your food and water now, how do you think it magically appears...it doesn't appear by money, it is their by nature and people's efforts!!!

nominative and ablative neuter singulars of relative pronoun ... aka 'relativity'

[Neuro]

i have the highest admiration for people who make their own money, not working for the man. i did my best to raise my kids that way -- but failed. they choose the paychecks despite my brainwashing attempts o)(~

Sow the seeds of rebellion against your children in your grandchildren, and you’re winning! It is natural for children to rebel against their parents... It is too early to claim failure!

[Neuro]

ahaha, thats women's fault now... you are totally irrational Neuro

nope that it how it goes in a profit based system, endless growth is a hoax, period. Energy is the only true value and all the money that exists cannot buy earth.

Value is subjective and needs to be monopolized by a currency to allow trading, so having a top 1% is unavoidable.

I understand the Mysteries and the evil secret of power than you


QUOTING A FRIEND OF MINE
all 'money' is imaginary, not just digital money. It is all currency and currency only holds value by confidence. In other words, as long as you believe it has any value it will be seen as value (a confidence game). People never thrive with any money/currency/economy systems, only those who create and run the systems benefit.

If you are working and producing now for 'money', removing money still means you are still working and producing. I can't believe people can't see past this conditioning and deceptions about money being important. Money does NOTHING, people do EVERYTHING. That would not change, we would just not be limited by these false scarcity created by 'lacking money'. No longer would we say 'sorry, no funds for that project or research', we would not be limited anymore.

Your food and water now, how do you think it magically appears...it doesn't appear by money, it is their by nature and people's efforts!!!

Are people this brainwashed and blinded by money????

We’ll continue with your theoretical babbling then, see how much change you have achieved since you dove down the “rabbit holes” ages ago? Zilch, zero, nada, nichts, nothing, ingenting, hic...

Perhaps instead of rewording and repeating the same message, to the 15-20 people who regularly reads these forums, and by appearance you haven’t changed at all, during the close to 10 years of its existence, perhaps you could widen your audience to some who actually could make a difference.

If people stop paying for and consuming worthless trinkets, the system would collapse, and this is probably one of the only things I agree with you on, but it would be a good thing.

Get out of your loop...

1) Restate your theory with different words
2) No one agrees
3) Go to 1

No it is not women’s fault. Their nature is being exploited in the pursuit of profit. It is the profiteers fault. Imagine if SOMEONE told them their nature are being manipulated and abused to keep a rotten corrupt system going...

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxUkB5_rjyfUnajmUJAlFhTaKlUw-SzkTmXDgaSlfl9-GeCKUl

[Hitch]

here is why we work 40hrs/week

Books darling speaking

Get Out Of The Materialism Trap NOW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk1i7UGBz1Q

Did you notice, in the video, it was all women that were cheering and screaming over the latest stupid "stuff"? The guys were ogling cars? Why is that? Cars impress women, and women love to spend money on useless "stuff". An expensive car equals more useless stuff a woman has access to spending on.

Furthermore...the question on mansions. Mansions with pools = hot women in bikinis. Nobody needs a mansion, but if it attracts hot bikini chicks, are you really going to fault the guy? If he can do that?

Singular, the problem with over consumption and materialism is women. Period. Women are programmed to reward men who allow them to over consume. Men chase the carrot, and the most competitive earn the most....the beast is fed.

If you really want to change the world, start with changing women. Don't preach to us. This forum is all men now, mostly. We get it. However, women are the most easily manipulated, by the media, corporations, each other (peer pressure) living organisms to EVER have inhabited our planet.

[EE_]

Did you notice, in the video, it was all women that were cheering and screaming over the latest stupid "stuff"? The guys were ogling cars? Why is that? Cars impress women, and women love to spend money on useless "stuff". An expensive car equals more useless stuff a woman has access to spending on.

Furthermore...the question on mansions. Mansions with pools = hot women in bikinis. Nobody needs a mansion, but if it attracts hot bikini chicks, are you really going to fault the guy? If he can do that?

Singular, the problem with over consumption and materialism is women. Period. Women are programmed to reward men who allow them to over consume. Men chase the carrot, and the most competitive earn the most....the beast is fed.

If you really want to change the world, start with changing women. Don't preach to us. This forum is all men now, mostly. We get it. However, women are the most easily manipulated, by the media, corporations, each other (peer pressure) living organisms to EVER have inhabited our planet.

https://i.imgflip.com/1w70f7.jpg

[Horn]

here is why we work 40hrs/week

I see, you are proposing the EU's 30 hours per week with anti-spam laws.

The reason English speaking people make more is they know how to communicate well.