Self Defense around Niggers

[Tumbleweed]

Both of these videos are good and well worth the time spent watching in my opinion.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPbCw9pV90c






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilfliL8Lco

[Jewboo]

I now pocket carry a Ruger LCP II but after watching both these videos think most of those sheep victims chose to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why even BE in those obvious wrong parts of town?

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[Tumbleweed]

I now pocket carry a Ruger LCP II but after watching both these videos think most of those sheep victims chose to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why even BE in those obvious wrong parts of town?

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Because of work I've been in places I really didn't want to be when trouble showed up and it's best to always be prepared no matter where you are or what ever you're doing.

Looks like in both videos the guy is holding a Cobratec switch blade like I carry.

[madfranks]

I now pocket carry a Ruger LCP II but after watching both these videos think most of those sheep victims chose to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why even BE in those obvious wrong parts of town?

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I love my Ruger LCP. It's a great pocket pistol, very small and not uncomfortable at all.

[Jewboo]

I love my Ruger LCP. It's a great pocket pistol, very small and not uncomfortable at all.

Very comfortable to carry but most owners admit not fun to shoot because of the snappy recoil.

[madfranks]

Very comfortable to carry but most owners admit not fun to shoot because of the snappy recoil.It's like getting punched in the hand, but once you know what to expect it's not too bad. My wife would not like it for that reason.

[Jewboo]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1521929164230.webm

Just stay outta Niggertown.

[Tumbleweed]

Another video here on third party intervention that's good food for thought.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_hqu9MyiA4

[Jewboo]

Another video here on third party intervention that's good food for thought.



Thanks Tumbleweed. Another excellent video well worth the time watching.

I conceal carry, but after watching this video............................................I won't "intervene" in any third party situation. I'm not a cop. No upside and all downside (https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/e27f7-judge.jpg).

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[Tumbleweed]

............................................I won't "intervene" in any third party situation. I'm not a cop. No upside and all downside (https://dailystormer.name/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/e27f7-judge.jpg).

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That's the same conclusion I've come to too unless it's an old man or woman getting killed by a nigger then I'll just stay out of it.

[Hitch]

Another thanks, Tumbleweed. Thanks for sharing that video. Really got me thinking and hope others watch it as well.

Third party intervention, not much good can come out of it for most of us. This video is a much watch imo. Many thanks.

[midnight rambler]

That's the same conclusion I've come to too unless it's an old man or woman getting killed by a nigger then I'll just stay out of it.

Or a child very obviously being kidnapped.

[Jewboo]

Or a child very obviously being kidnapped.

Nope. By the kid's own Father (https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/violent_crimes/what-is-parental-kidnapping.htm) after child protective services already first kidnapped it?

:rolleyes:

[Tumbleweed]

I think Jewboo posted this article somewhere here on the forum but I'll be damned if I can find it again. I had saved the link and copied the article and it's pretty good so I think I'll post it again here.



https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Street_robberies_and_you___The_Basics/5-1285487/







Lately in GD we have had two different board members find themselves looking down the barrel of a gun along with the GF of another ARFCOMMER in street robberies. Also Blitz308 got shot all to pieces last year.

While many say it is better to be lucky than good, no one is lucky every time. In this post I am going to attempt to provide some insight (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=f9c1de64ac120a27&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A69&libId=josli3rq0100b0av000DAkzjsbnza&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2Fgeneral% 2FStreet_robberies_and_you___The_Basics%2F5-1285487%2F&v=1&iid=f9c1de64ac120a27&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Faccesso ries%2Fflashlights%2Fweapon-lights%2Finsight-technology.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_mediu m%3Dcpc%26utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dinsig ht&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgold-silver.us%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F99783-Found-at-4chan-and-worth-the-read%26p%3D940264&title=Street%20robberies%20and%20you%20-%20The%20Basics%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Einsight%3C%2Fspan%3E) into street encounters. Other may have different viewpoints. I am not here to argue. I will say some of the comments I have seen posted in the threads about this sort of matter make me realize that while some ARFCOMMERS are clearly street veterans others are not. This is really for those who are not.

Background

First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.

The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.

No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.

He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.

This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.


Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.

Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.

We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. Fuck their own momma.

We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phonewith him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.

That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.

The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.

One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.

I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".





You

Chances are good you are a law abiding person except for maybe a little light weed smoking and maybe driving a little drunk every once in a while. Most of your life you have been taught to be nice and don't point guns at people. You are the exact opposite of your enemy who was taught just the opposite. Remember a lot of street life is like prison life. Who's the man is everything. Violence is the currency of the street.

You do not possess total disregard for the lives of others and do not want to kill anyone. You are concerned about the ramifications of shooting someone. Your family, your possessions and finances on the line. Your enemy has none of these concerns.

The laws that keep you from carrying your gun in bars or where ever mean nothing to your enemy. Your reluctance to shoot someone works to is advantage. His greater experience in street violence and the element of surprise is on his side.

Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That's right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.

You can probably find it on line now. A lot of the victim Officers were a lot like a lot of other people, normal people. They were the opposite of their enemy.

Am I advocating becoming the enemy? No. I am saying the person who is robbing you has certain traits, attitudes, and background. That is all.

Dynamics of Encounters

Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them. The time between when you are targeted and they are on you isn't long. Therefore, situational awareness is everything.

If you see G coming you are in good shape. If you don't you will be the victim who says "He came out of nowhere". No he didn't. There are many tricks to watching out but simply watching your back is the main thing. Watch your back. If you do it enough it becomes second nature and you won't even realize you are doing it.

Watching out is great but unfortunately many self defense courses stop there. You have parked you car in a well lit area, are aware of your surroundings, and looky here, here comes three guys across the parking lot and they start to kind of fan out.

When you lock eyes with G the very first thing you need to do it indicate you have a weapon. It doesn't matter if you do or not. If you are a woman put your gunhand in your purse and keep it there. If you are a man fan your shirt or coat tail with your gun hand. Make it clear to dude you are mentally prepared to draw and making sure your gun is clear. This will many times result in an about face by dude. It is the single best robbery avoidance tactic IMHO.

Not long ago I was walking down the sidewalk in my town to go get my car. I was holding a folding chair in my gun hand. A car slow rolled past me with 4 heads in it. The guys in the back seat turned around as they went by looking at me. They went a little farther and U turned in the street.

Here they come back. As they started to slow down I looked at them with as contemptuous a look as I could muster and switched the chair to my left hand and flicked my shirt tail with my right hand. They just drove on mad dogging me.

In another case I was at a Christmas party and walked a girl to her car about 3 am. As we said our good-byes two guys were walking across the parking lot. One went behind a dumpster. I though he was peeing. He came out from behind the dumpster with a bottle.

As they got closer I stepped clear of that girl and unzipped my jacket at those two guys. When I did the guy threw down the bottle and they walked by cussing at me. If someone challenges you after you indicate you are armed say "I don't have a gun". Then they will know you do.

Here is an opposite story. A girl my brother knows was walking her dog when a guy approached her. She was polite. Mistake. He talked to her about the dog and said she had pretty hair and reached out and touched her hair. She did not slap his hand down or aggressively object. Mistake. He asked her if her dog bit and she said "No". At that time he slapped the shit out of her, drug her into a wooded area, and raped her.

The answer in the street is always "No". Can I ask you something? No. Do you have a cigarette? No. Can you tell me what time it is? No. The answer is always "No". Don't be nice. Stop the encounter as soon as it starts.

When to draw

Despite warnings I often see on the Net I have yet to encounter an instance in which a hold up man called the police to report his intended victim threatened to shoot him. Thugs do not want to come into contact with the police. They may already be wanted or realize chances are good they have been identified in a recent robbery. Or what ever. They are not going to call the police if you draw on them.



Supposed two guys are approaching you in a parking lot and do the classic fan out maneuver. You indicate you have a weapon by clearing your gun hand and fanning your jacket at them. They are not discouraged. DRAW!

I am not saying you should pull your gun out, assume a Weaver stance, and scream "That's close enough motherfuckers!" What I am saying is draw your gun and hold it beside your leg as you start to move to cover. I am very fond of telephone poles. Anything will do though. They will see this. They will remember they have to be somewhere else. They will not call the police.

Then you can just put your gun back in the holster and go back to whatever you were doing like nothing happened. Why? Because nothing did happen. A happening is when shots are fired.

Do not hesitate to draw. If you are somewhere you are supposed to be and someone appears who is not supposed to be there like a closed business show him the end of your gun. Could it be Mother Teresa looking for her lost cat behind your closed business? No it is some motherfucker up to no good. He won't call the police to report he was prowling a location when a guy ran him off.

When to shoot

The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon. You are not a police man who has to try to arrest the guy. No need to scream at him. No exposure while you yell for him to drop the gun.

In deer hunting (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=13dd2100dd4217dd&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A69&libId=josli3rq0100b0av000DAkzjsbnza&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2Fgeneral% 2FStreet_robberies_and_you___The_Basics%2F5-1285487%2F&v=1&iid=13dd2100dd4217dd&out=http%3A%2F%2Fpalmettostatearmory.com%2Faccesso ries%2Fhunting-gear.html%3Futm_source%3Dviglink%26utm_medium%3Dcp c%26utm_campaign%3Dinsert%26utm_term%3Dhunting&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgold-silver.us%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F99783-Found-at-4chan-and-worth-the-read%26p%3D940264&title=Street%20robberies%20and%20you%20-%20The%20Basics%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3Ehunting%3C%2Fspan%3E) the experienced hunter takes the first good shot. May not be the perfect shot but it never is. Novices pass up a doable shot waiting for a better shot and then the deer is gone. Take the first good shot you are offered. Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot.

If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all. I have known more than one person who was shot and received life changing injuries and also shot their attacker. Their only regret was not shooting sooner. Like Bill Jordan said "Nothing disturbs your enemy's aim like a slug delivered to the belt buckle area".

Guns and weapons

The handgun is the best weapon you can carry easily. I understand it is not always possible to have one due to laws, restrictions, whatever. I am not telling anyone to disregard laws about carrying weapons. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with. I will say there is no substitute for a pistolwhen you need one.


Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a damn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you.

Types of guns and ammo are always debated and probably always will be. I have seen people shot with all common calibers. My conclusion is if you hit someone between the collar bone and the tip of their ribs three times with anything, they are handled. Bigger is better but something is better than nothing. Get your front sight on his shirt and stay on him as long as he is standing with whatever gun you have.

Just have a gun with sure fire ammo. Draw early and fire immediately upon seeing his weapon. That course of action is about all you can do to up your odds of ending things favorably. Guns like the Ruger LC9, SIG 239, Glock 26/27 are examples of guns small enough to carry but with enough power and capacity to be useful. Do not be afraid to use a French Lebelle if that is the only gun you have. A gun is a gun. I like a Glock 19.

Training

We all want the best training. It can be expensive if you are having to pay for it and it can be hard to find the time to do it. There is a whole lot of BS out there. What can you do? First, pistol handling is not rocket surgery. If you will learn the basics and practice on your own you can be fine. Smooth draw, quick pairs, reload. If you know those things well you can be OK.

I know a young man who shot down two hold up men in 2010 at very close range while he and his GF were walking home from the store. He in Wyatt Earp like fashion ignored the fire coming from the gunman and killed him and wounded his accomplice. He nor his GF were injured. He like many was willing to give them the money until he picked up on nonverbal cues that because of his GF they were not quite satisfied with the money. He had a Glock 27.

He had only the most basic of training in gun handling but did do some draws and some dry fire a couple times a week and live fired maybe once a month. That basic skill combined with knowing what to do was enough. He shot at the first possible moment despite having let the guys get the drop on them. When the gunman turned his head because a car drove by that was the opening. A split second is a long time sometimes.

Work on some one hand shooting at close range. That is a skill not as popular as it once was and you want to use two hands when you can. Often you can find yourself doing something with your off hand though so be able to shoot with one hand out to 5 yards or so.




After

If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire. I know there are bad police out there in some parts of the country who don't support self defense. I can't help you with that.

Do not talk to them until you have your attorney present. Now most young guys don't have an attorney on retainer and you may have no idea who to call. That is OK. You will figure it out but in the mean time don't talk about what happened other than to say you were forced to fire. You don't have to be an asshole just remember wait for your attorney.

Hopefully you will not give a statement for a couple days. Remember if you are put in jail that doesn't mean you are charged. Most places can hold you 48 or 72 hours on a felony before charging you or letting you go. Breath deep and get an attorney.

Expect to never get your gun back. You may get it back one day but maybe not. Do not buy expensive guns for the street. Buy yourself a nice sporting gun if you want a nice gun. Keep your street guns basic. The factory Model 10 Smith and the GI 45 have done a lot of work over the years and aren't fancy.

Worlds

We all live in different worlds. My world is filled with felons and gang members. Violence is common place. No one would be surprised if one of their friends called and said they shot a hold up man at a place of business or parking lot. In the past when I made calls the fact that the guy who is beating his GF is also on parole for 2nd degree murder flavored my world.

You may live in a smaller, less violent place where shootings seldom occur and it would be a rare to shoot a hold up man. I envy you and will be moving to a place like your town as soon as I can.

But be advised no matter where you are a hold man is going to be about the same. Whether he is a home boy or a guy who just exited the interstate into your town and needs some quick money. He is going to have a vicious streak and no regard for your life. Treat him like he treats you.

Giving them the money, doing what they say, all that may work but there is no guarantee. If you have never read Jeff Cooper's book The Principles of Personal Defense (http://i.viglink.com/?key=2c76014af88c4b2eb8c349670da4ee6c&insertId=0de8fd113396a451&type=CD&exp=-100%3ACILITE%3A69&libId=josli3rq0100b0av000DAkzjsbnza&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ar15.com%2Fforums%2Fgeneral% 2FStreet_robberies_and_you___The_Basics%2F5-1285487%2F&v=1&iid=0de8fd113396a451&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Fsearch%2Find ex.htm%3Fk%3Dpersonal%2Bdefense&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fgold-silver.us%2Fforum%2Fshowthread.php%3F99783-Found-at-4chan-and-worth-the-read%26p%3D940264&title=Street%20robberies%20and%20you%20-%20The%20Basics%20-%20AR15.COM&txt=%3Cspan%3EPersonal%20%3C%2Fspan%3E%3Cspan%3EDe fense%3C%2Fspan%3E) I suggest you order a copy immediately. It is a short book but summarizes a lot of important things.

Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.

The lesser thugs all turned on the trigger man at trial. The trigger man's statement in the paper was after all that had happened he felt like he was a victim. Think about that. That is the mindset you are up against.

[Jewboo]

The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon....Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot...

If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then...

If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire.



WHAT ABOUT A HUGE UNARMED PERP (https://bigdonsboys.com/small_world/page_2/main_icon.jpg)? HIS MUSCULAR ARMS ARE LITERAL WEAPONS. HE IS "ARMED" BY DEFINITION.

:(??

The book he recommended is free HERE (https://archive.org/download/JeffCooperPrinciplesOfPersonalDefense/Jeff%20Cooper%20-%20Principles%20of%20Personal%20Defense.pdf).

[Tumbleweed]

WHAT ABOUT A HUGE UNARMED PERP (https://bigdonsboys.com/small_world/page_2/main_icon.jpg)? HIS MUSCULAR ARMS ARE LITERAL WEAPONS. HE IS "ARMED" BY DEFINITION.

:(??

The book he recommended is free HERE (https://archive.org/download/JeffCooperPrinciplesOfPersonalDefense/Jeff%20Cooper%20-%20Principles%20of%20Personal%20Defense.pdf).


I saw a guy rope a steer one time and it turned in to a wreck. He got tangled in his rope and came off his horse. He hit his head hard on the ground and an hour later he was dead because his brain swelled. If someone threatens or attacks you that you probably can't whip or get away from I say shoot him. If he knocks you down you may end up like the guy I saw rope that steer. I'm an old man and there's a saying "a young man should never pick fight with an old man because the old man will kill him". That's good advice.

It hasn't been to long ago someone was bragging that he could whip me and I told him if he tried it one or both of us wouldn't be alive when it ends. When I was younger I'd get in some fist fights once in a while but not anymore. I'm too old for that shit and I'm always armed.

[Jewboo]

I saw a guy rope a steer one time and it turned in to a wreck. He got tangled in his rope and came off his horse. He hit his head hard on the ground and an hour later he was dead because his brain swelled. If someone threatens or attacks you that you probably can't whip or get away from I say shoot him. If he knocks you down you may end up like the guy I saw rope that steer. I'm an old man and there's a saying "a young man should never pick fight with an old man because the old man will kill him". That's good advice.

It hasn't been to long ago someone was bragging that he could whip me and I told him if he tried it one or both of us wouldn't be alive when it ends. When I was younger I'd get in some fist fights once in a while but not anymore. I'm too old for that shit and I'm always armed.

My point exactly Tumbleweed. I can't absorb a serious punch at age 71 (https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/shirtless-senior-man-gesturing-showing-260nw-123433957.jpg)...the threat of bodily harm IS the threat of deadly force at my age.

:(??

[Tumbleweed]

Another video here on third party intervention that's good food for thought.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_hqu9MyiA4





It's been a lot of years ago but I was involved in a third party intervention. I had a friend that was a Viet Nam vet that was given a general discharge because he got a little crazy, got his gun and wouldn't come out of the barracks when it was time to go huntin in the jungle. He said every day they'd go huntin. He must have pissed off some off the guys around him or they were afraid of him because he said he didn't know if he was going to get shot by the Viet Cong or shot in the back by some of his companions.

When he came home we did some partying together and he worked part of the time as a bouncer in bars. He was a big guy, a little crazy when some one pissed him off but otherwise a pretty nice guy. He'd had some bad experiences in Viet Nam and you didn't want to be around him if he went to sleep and then woke up because when he'd wake up he'd think he was still in Viet Nam and you might get the hell beat out of you before he'd realize he wasn't there any more. That might have been why he got to thinking some of the guys around him might want to shoot him in the back in Viet Nam when they'd go huntin.

I was at a bar one night where he was the bouncer and two guys went out in the parking lot and started fighting. One got the best of the other and was really beating the hell out or the other guy. These aren't like school yard fights where the fight stops when some one hollers they've had enough. The guy on the bottom looked like he had blood coming out of his ears and and was screaming for help when the guy on top who had him by the hair and was bashing his head on the ground. There were about fifteen members of a motor cycle gang in a circle around the two fighting and they weren't going to let anyone interfere.

My friend had tangled with some of the members of the gang and had whipped about five of them who'd come after him so they had a lot of respect for him. He walked through the circle and got the fight stopped and they didn't do anything. If they'd have attacked him I'd have had to help him and we'd have gotten the hell beat out of us just like the guy on the ground screaming for help. When he was walking into stop the fight I was wishing I'd had my 30-30 Winchester in the trunk of my car because I'd have gone and got it. That's one of the experiences I've had that is the reason I carry all the time. I don't go looking for trouble and try to avoid places you may run in to it but I always try to be prepared where ever I am.

[Hitch]

My point exactly Tumbleweed. I can't absorb a serious punch at age 71 (https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/shirtless-senior-man-gesturing-showing-260nw-123433957.jpg)...the threat of bodily harm IS the threat of deadly force at my age.

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Book, you'd be fine defending yourself if needed, where you live. Just carry like Tumbleweed. Watch the videos he's posted in this thread, if you haven't. Anyone attacking older folks should be shot on sight, anyway, imo.

[Jewboo]

(https://canadafreepress.com/article/shock-video-dc-tourist-savagely-beaten-stomped-spit-on-by-gang-of-youths-at)Shock Video: DC Tourist Savagely Beaten, Stomped, Spit on by Gang of Youths (https://canadafreepress.com/article/shock-video-dc-tourist-savagely-beaten-stomped-spit-on-by-gang-of-youths-at)

:rolleyes:

[hoarder]

I don't go looking for trouble and try to avoid places you may run in to it but I always try to be prepared where ever I am.I think I could have avoided that situation.

[Tumbleweed]

(https://canadafreepress.com/article/shock-video-dc-tourist-savagely-beaten-stomped-spit-on-by-gang-of-youths-at)Shock Video: DC Tourist Savagely Beaten, Stomped, Spit on by Gang of Youths (https://canadafreepress.com/article/shock-video-dc-tourist-savagely-beaten-stomped-spit-on-by-gang-of-youths-at)



:rolleyes:

That guy should have had his hand on a pistol with a fifteen round magazine before they got to him. I keep a 10 rd magazine in my G33 and carry two fifteen rd magazines in a pouch. Would have been fun to see him open up on those niggers with some fire power.:)

[Tumbleweed]

I think I could have avoided that situation.

I've learned to avoid those kinds of situations too from first hand experience but sometimes when you least expect it trouble shows up and it's best to be prepared.

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A muslim guy gets attacked by niggers and it happens pretty fast.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=YIQ7N_tZDgQ

[midnight rambler]

A muslim guy gets attacked by niggers and it happens pretty fast.






https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=YIQ7N_tZDgQ


Stupid fucking niggers don't realize that those rental scooters will link them to the scene of the crime via onboard GPS. Locally a bank robber was stupid enough to use a rental scooter as his getaway vehicle and that use led the cops directly to him in very short order.

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^ A comment following the video above at youtube that was good I thought.


"At 0:16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIQ7N_tZDgQ&t=16s) the victim had an opportunity to draw a concealed weapon on the "youths" and two shots to the chest each, at point blank range. They mommas would be sayin "they be good boyz. they be gettin they life together. They be goin back to skoo. That white trash dint have no right to shoot them good boyz. I be callin mr crump. We needs justice."

[Tumbleweed]

One of my uncles got a hell of a beating quite a few years ago at night by some Indians. They got him down and stomped the hell out of him with their boots. They left him for dead in an alley a hundred miles away from home. The cops caught them in his stolen car and confiscated their boots for evidence because they were smeared with my uncles blood.

The cops took my uncle to the hospital and they operated on him there and took a blood clot out of his brain. We didn't know for awhile if he was going to make it. He stayed with us for about a month while he recovered. His speech was impaired and he had a lot of trouble with the coordination of his hands. Eventually he came out of that but it took several years. He always carried a snub nosed 38 after that.

My dad was in intensive care for awhile before he passed away and there was a big Indian in intensive care too that had come in from the reservation. There were a bunch of Indians in the waiting room and they started to get in a fight there. I thought I might get involved in that just by being there. There was a young Indian woman in the waiting room and I asked her if it was her father in intensive care and she said it was. She said some Indians on the Res had "put the boots to him" and he was in pretty bad shape.

[Jewboo]

Now get jailed after finding a nigger in your 15 year-old daughter's bedroom at 2am (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7394131/Parents-face-charges-assaulted-threatened-boy-inside-daughters-room.html)

:rolleyes:

[midnight rambler]

Now get jailed after finding a nigger in your 15 year-old daughter's bedroom at 2am (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7394131/Parents-face-charges-assaulted-threatened-boy-inside-daughters-room.html)

:rolleyes:


Yikes! Mandatory life sentences! For protecting their child from a predator.

[midnight rambler]

Yikes! Mandatory life sentences! For protecting their child from a predator.

As a friend of mine said upon hearing this story: "They should've just shot him."

[monty]

As a friend of mine said upon hearing this story: "They should've just shot him." they would have been better off.

[hoarder]

First time I heard of Meskins getting charged with a "hate crime".

[Tumbleweed]

There's good reason to be on guard when you'r around niggers. Incogman has a page that points out just what happens when people don't realize what a dangerous bunch of animals niggers are and that they need to be avoided. The link to it below.



http://incogman.net/victims-of-pc/

[steyr_m]

Very comfortable to carry but most owners admit not fun to shoot because of the snappy recoil.

Most people won't notice if they need to put a bead on a ghetto ape

[Tumbleweed]

https://truth-over-tradition.com/2019/06/17/be-civilized-tote-a-gun/

Be Civilized – Tote a Gun

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Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another:
reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you
have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to
do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction
falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or
force, that’s it.


In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact
through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social
interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is
the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to
use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate
your threat or employment of force.


The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound white woman
on equal footing with a 220-pound nigger, a 85-year old retiree on
equal footing with a 19-year old punk/thug, and a single guy on
equal footing with a carload of animals with baseball bats. The
gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers
between a potential attacker and a defender.


There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of
bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be
more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a
firearm makes it easier for an [armed] robber to do his job. That,
of course, is only true if the robber’s potential victims are mostly
disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity
when most of a criminal’s potential victims are armed.


People who argue for the banning of arms are asking for automatic
rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact
opposite of a civilized society. A criminal, even an armed one, can
only make a successful living in a society where the state has
granted him a force monopoly.


Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal
that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is
fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations
are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming
injury on the loser.


People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute
lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and
come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun
makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker
defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is
level.


The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an
octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply
wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal
and easily employable.


When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight,
but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means
that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m
afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the
actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only
the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force
from the equation… and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

[Tumbleweed]

Some situations where white people have gotten themselves into trouble with niggers that didn't work out well for them and that we need to be aware of and prepared for.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-iIoIwaN5Q&feature=youtu.be

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WHY I CARRY A GUN

(Author Unknown)



I don’t carry a gun to kill people.

I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people.

I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid.

I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil.

I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government.

I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry.

I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.

I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy.

I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man.

I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate.

I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it.

I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

[midnight rambler]

WHY I CARRY A GUN

Something the gun-haters will never, ever comprehend.

[Tumbleweed]

I've been looking for this video for awhile to put in this thread but I couldn't find it. I did come across it today though and it's about self defense against attackers with knives. Something to think about and be prepared for.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0

[Jewboo]

...self defense against attackers with knives. Something to think about and be prepared for.





No real-life preparation against a SURPRISE stabbing by a stranger. That up close and personal we might as well ourselves pull a defensive knife rather then fumble with a holstered pistol.

:(??

[Tumbleweed]

No real-life preparation against a SURPRISE stabbing by a stranger. That up close and personal we might as well ourselves pull a defensive knife rather then fumble with a holstered pistol.

:(??



If they're right up on you about all you could do is take evasive action either moving sideways or going to the ground. Your gun better be carried so that you can get it out in a hurry.

I've had some narrow escapes with cattle when I didn't see them coming behind me but I heard them. One time all I heard was the sound of a cow blowing snot out of her nose right before she got to me. I jumped sideways and she missed me but it was close. I started packing a pistol all the time because of those close calls. I've seen them coming at me and you don't have much time. I've had them get me too.

If I heard a cow or a nigger running at me I'd take evasive action and I'd probably be pulling a gun as quick as I could too. I have sort of a radar about anyone I don't trust or don't know getting to close to me. That may be because I used to get in fist fights when I was younger. I don't do that anymore but I keep an eye on people that get too close to me.

[Jewboo]

...I have sort of a radar about anyone I don't trust or don't know getting to close to me....I keep an eye on people that get too close to me.

This. Strangers on drugs or meds are NOT RATIONAL (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8019193/Shocking-moment-stranger-attacks-man-HAMBURGER-repeatedly-punches-face-unprovoked-attack.html) and therefore can't be presumed to think, behave, or react "normal". The very reason I started pocket-carrying my .380 pistol.

:)

[midnight rambler]

This. Strangers on drugs or meds are NOT RATIONAL (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8019193/Shocking-moment-stranger-attacks-man-HAMBURGER-repeatedly-punches-face-unprovoked-attack.html) and therefore can't be presumed to think, behave, or react "normal". The very reason I started pocket-carrying my .380 pistol.

:)

That article had it all wrong. The cracka provoked the noble knee-grow by walking down the sidewalk while white. This is 2020, get with the program.

[Tumbleweed]

The guy in this video makes some suggestions that sound like good advice and his reasons for those suggestions sound reasonable.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=aKNQPhVucVY&feature=emb_l ogo

[Tumbleweed]

I wasn't to sure of where to put this video but I'll put it here. It's a good one on the right of self defense even if it's cops or judges. The cops and judges pretend to be above the law when it comes to the common person and self defense. This guy says they don't have that right and they'll soon find out that everyone has the right of self defense.




https://www.brighteon.com/93c4b63d-b3b1-495a-bdaf-46163090542f

[ziero0]

The law of necessity is particularly brutal but still very much in effect. It says you can kill anyone to insure your own survival.

Cops invoke the law of necessity when they make a statement like "sir, I NEED to have you step out of the vehicle". If you took them literally you would be justified in participating then and there in the battle of survival they just invited you to. For the most part I attribute their statement to ignorance but don't doubt for a second if I choose to remain where I am that they are entirely serious. Be forewarned.

[Tumbleweed]

Good article here on self defense.

https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2014/06/disparity-force-five-real-life-self-defense-cases/



Disparity of Force: Five Real-Life Self-Defense Cases

Disparity of Force: five real-life self-defense cases which highlight the right to use deadly force when the odds are stacked against you!

Massad Ayoob

June 14, 2014
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You are only allowed to use the deadly force of a defensive firearm to protect yourself or another innocent person from criminally inflicted death or great bodily harm. One element of that situation is that the opponent(s) must have the ability to kill or cripple you or other victims whom you have the right to protect. That ability is most obvious when it takes the form of a weapon: a gun, a knife or a blunt instrument of some kind wielded in a threatening manner.
However, the ability to kill or cripple may take the form of some physical advantage the opponent has over you (or some physical disadvantage on your side of the conflict) that tilts the odds so greatly to his side that his continued assault is likely to kill or maim. Such a situation is known as a “disparity of force.” Disparity of force can take many forms. Let’s look at how that works.
A male violently attacking a female is generally seen as a disparity of force, as the male is generally much larger and stronger, and it’s understood that men in our society are more adapted toward aggressive physical contact than women. In Case One, Florida v. Mary Hopkin, the frail 63-year-old defendant was attacked by a 200-plus-pound, 43-year-old common law husband who had long abused her. She fired three shots from a .22 revolver as fast as she could pull the trigger. He began to turn away as she brought the gun up, and by the time she realized she could stop shooting, he had taken one hit in the front, a second in the side and the third in the back. The prosecutor’s office saw it as an unarmed man shot in the back by an angry significant other and charged her. Mark Seiden brilliantly orchestrated the defense. I spoke for her as an expert witness. The jury understood and acquitted her after two hours of deliberation.


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Position Of Disadvantage
If your ostensibly unarmed attacker has you in a position where you can’t effectively fight back or escape and is beating or choking you, you’re up against a disparity of force element called “position of disadvantage.” In the summer of 2013, America watched the televised trial in Case Two, Florida v. George Zimmerman. Evidence showed that Trayvon Martin had Zimmerman down and was banging his head into a concrete sidewalk when Zimmerman stopped the attack with a single fatal shot from his Kel-Tec PF-9 pistol. The able defense team of Mark O’Mara and Don West established this through eyewitness testimony and through expert witnesses Dr. Vincent DiMaio and Dennis Root. This reality overrode the state’s assertion of that Martin was murdered needlessly, and the jury found Zimmerman not guilty on all charges.
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Force Of Numbers
It is understood in law that when you are attacked by multiple assailants, the likelihood of them beating you to death or horribly injuring you is so great that their force of numbers can become the equivalent of a deadly weapon, justifying your use of a deadly weapon. Many years ago, I debriefed Kentucky State Trooper Roy Boleyn, who went through such an ordeal in Case Three. Working alone on a routine stop, he was violently attacked by two men. He had to resort to his service sidearm to end the potentially lethal assault, killing both men. The grand jury understood: They returned no true bill, and the matter was over.
Boleyn was a true hero cop. In a subsequent incident, he and other officers shot it out with a mass murderer and cop-killer. Felled by a .223 rifle bullet that broke his spine and left him paralyzed from the waist down for life, Roy Boleyn returned fire from a supine position and left the gunman dead on the floor. His skill and determination undoubtedly saved many lives in that second incident.
Another classic example is found in Case Four, the “Sweet Trials,” one of the most famous episodes in the career of the great defense lawyer Clarence Darrow. In segregated Detroit in 1925, a black physician named Ossian Sweet aroused the ire of white racists when he purchased a home in a white neighborhood. He was in that home with friends and family when a white mob surrounded the house. Shots were fired from inside, and one member of the mob was killed and another wounded. Murder was charged. The force of numbers element was one reason why all the defendants were ultimately exonerated.


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Other Elements
An able-bodied attacker has a disparity of force advantage over a disabled victim, even if the disability has taken place in the course of the instant assault. An assailant who is highly skilled in unarmed combat has disparity of force over a less-skilled victim. So does an assaulter who is much larger and stronger than his victim.
Sometimes, more than one element of disparity of force is in play during a self-defense shooting. That was certainly so in Case Five, Tennessee v. Shawn Armstrong. This was a manslaughter case tried a couple of years ago. Mrs. Armstrong was violently attacked by her estranged husband, who battered her to the ground and kicked her as she lay helpless. He walked away for a short distance, then spun back in her direction as if to attack her again. At this time she opened fire from the ground, killing him with a single .38 Special bullet from her revolver.
Her lawyer, John Colley, brought me in to testify. We were able to establish that no fewer than five to six disparity of force elements were in play at the time she fired the fatal shot in self-defense. (1) Size and strength: He was much larger and stronger than she. (2) Male versus female, obviously. (3) Skill favored him, too. She had no background in hand-to-hand combat, but he had been highly trained in that discipline as an Army Ranger, and she knew it. (4) Position of disadvantage: She was down and couldn’t get up to defend herself or flee, but he was on his feet, uninjured and fully ambulatory. (5) He was able-bodied, and his attack had disabled her; a vicious kick to her thigh had left her unable to rise to her feet at the time she at last had to resort to the gun. (6) Finally, there was an arguable force of numbers element. The estranged husband had brought his adult male cousin with him, and while that person observed and did nothing to stop it, he did not participate in the aggravated assault, either. However, any person in Mrs. Armstrong’s position could reasonably fear that he would join in the attack at any moment. The jury “got it.” In less than an hour, she was completely acquitted.


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Final Thoughts
The five cases described above ended with a tally of six men dead and one wounded. Note that four of the five went to trial, and even the one that didn’t still had to go in front of a grand jury. Society has been conditioned to see the shooting of an unarmed person as something that can’t be justified, and it seems to take a legal defense team to establish justifiability in a court of law before justice is served. That may not be fair, but it is how things are. Anyone reading this could one day face a deadly disparity of force assault. Should that day come, it will be critical for such a defendant to establish a disparity-of-force defense, and make the above principles clear to the triers of the facts.
The final message that we can take away from all of this is that, in every instance, the armed individual who shot their “unarmed” attacker(s) was ultimately exonerated.

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Two stories concerning pocket pistols by Mr. Bill.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAmK7TA4_OA

[monty]

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