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Horn
5th January 2020, 10:23 PM
The New York Times thinks leaders are ignoring the Australian people’s demand for climate action – despite voters electing a Conservative government last May.


Australia Is Committing Climate Suicide


As record fires rage, the country’s leaders seem intent on sending it to its doom.


By Richard Flanagan
Jan. 3, 2020

Mr. Flanagan is a novelist.


BRUNY ISLAND, Australia — Australia today is ground zero for the climate catastrophe. Its glorious Great Barrier Reef is dying, its world-heritage rain forests are burning, its giant kelp forests have largely vanished, numerous towns have run out of water or are about to, and now the vast continent is burning on a scale never before seen.

The fires have already burned about 14.5 million acres — an area almost as large as West Virginia, more than triple the area destroyed by the 2018 fires in California and six times the size of the 2019 fires in Amazonia. Canberra’s air on New Year’s Day was the most polluted in the world partly because of a plume of fire smoke as wide as Europe.

And yet, incredibly, the response of Australia’s leaders to this unprecedented national crisis has been not to defend their country but to defend the fossil fuel industry, a big donor to both major parties — as if they were willing the country to its doom. While the fires were exploding in mid-December, the leader of the opposition Labor Party went on a tour of coal mining communities expressing his unequivocal support for coal exports. The prime minister, the conservative Scott Morrison, went on vacation to Hawaii.

In no small part Mr. Morrison owes his narrow election victory last year to the coal-mining oligarch Clive Palmer, who formed a puppet party to keep the Labor Party — which had been committed to limited but real climate-change action — out of government. Mr. Palmer’s advertising budget for the campaign was more than double that of the two major parties combined. Mr. Palmer subsequently announced plans to build the biggest coal mine in Australia.

This posture seems to be a chilling political calculation: With no effective opposition from a Labor Party reeling from its election loss and with media dominated by Rupert Murdoch — 58 percent of daily newspaper circulation — firmly behind his climate denialism, Mr. Morrison appears to hope that he will prevail as long as he doesn’t acknowledge the magnitude of the disaster engulfing Australia.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/01/05/nyt-australia-is-committing-climate-suicide/

old steel
5th January 2020, 10:55 PM
This US national, married and living in Australia updated us on Patriot News today.

Said since before the fires started they had only two hot days, rest just normal temps and plenty of rain.

Says people are baffled and have no idea why all the fires are starting.

Never seen anything like it, totally out of control.

Move populations out of all those areas permanently?

madfranks
6th January 2020, 11:41 AM
Of course, nowhere in the entire article is it ever actually discussed specifically how this fire would have been stopped if carbon taxes were enacted or whatever other nonsense laws they want to pass to stop the climate from changing. If you cannot specifically tie this specific fire to lack of legislative action, then you have not demonstrated that the lack of legislation caused the fire. God, how are people soooooo stupid??

madfranks
6th January 2020, 11:42 AM
To once again speak to the stupidity of people who think laws can stop fires from occurring, why don't the Aussies just pass a law making it illegal for large fires to exist within the bounds of their territory? Surely that would stop it, just as good as passing a law to stop the climate from changing.

Horn
6th January 2020, 12:34 PM
Of course, nowhere in the entire article is it ever actually discussed specifically how this fire would have been stopped if carbon taxes were enacted or whatever other nonsense laws they want to pass to stop the climate from changing. If you cannot specifically tie this specific fire to lack of legislative action, then you have not demonstrated that the lack of legislation caused the fire. God, how are people soooooo stupid??

If you read down in the comments from that thread linked, you'll see that it was the opposite side of the politic who started the fires...

Neuro
6th January 2020, 02:50 PM
If you read down in the comments from that thread linked, you'll see that it was the opposite side of the politic who started the fires...

Once I saw the article was from wattsupwiththat it peaked my interest, and, yes arson seems to be an important reason plus not doing controlled burn offs at regular intervals.

old steel
7th January 2020, 10:50 AM
Back in 2015

Bushfire scientist David Packham warns of huge blaze threat, urges increase in fuel reduction burns


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html

(https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-warns-of-huge-blaze-threat-urges-increase-in-fuel-reduction-burns-20150312-14259h.html)

old steel
7th January 2020, 11:10 AM
Excellent rant.

https://twitter.com/PoliBard/status/1213698878534377472

PatColo
7th January 2020, 11:55 AM
Guardian, like NYT, labors to frame Oz' Agenda 2030 fires as a climate change hoax thing.



Bots and trolls spread false arson claims in Australian fires ‘disinformation campaign’ (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jan/08/twitter-bots-trolls-australian-bushfires-social-media-disinformation-campaign-false-claims)
​Tue 7 Jan 2020 12.00 EST
Online posts exaggerating the role of arson are being used to undermine the link between bushfires and climate change

Horn
12th January 2020, 12:00 AM
Guardian, like NYT, labors to frame Oz' Agenda 2030 fires as a climate change hoax thing.


Wow run a search on "Australia Arson" and the bots are clearly coming from debunking the arson side.