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EE_
16th March 2020, 08:50 AM
I keep trying to tell you guys this is a hoax! Something much bigger is happening.
I've talked to many people and no one knows anyone that knows anyone, that's sick.

Statistics in article https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-exclusive-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-reported-by-the-media-is-completely-inaccurate-the-actual-rate-is-less-than-the-flu-media-lying-again/

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: The Coronavirus Fatality Rate Reported by the Media Is COMPLETELY INACCURATE. The Actual Rate Is LESS THAN THE FLU – MEDIA LYING AGAIN!
Joe Hoft by Joe Hoft March 16, 2020 158 Comments

The current estimate for the fatality rates on the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.
Details below:

Summary of points below:

Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus
Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are off, way off
The current global coronavirus fatality rate is estimated at 3.4%
The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%)
Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu
Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’
Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly (average age of death in 80) and the sick

1. Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus.
Often times estimates have to be made because data is just not yet available. These estimates usually involve obtaining information that is available and making estimates on what is not. We cannot tell the future but we can make educated guesses based on information available. This is what has been done with the coronavirus because this type of virus has apparently never been seen before.

2. Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are wrong, way off.
I personally know of estimates made by actuaries (i.e. statisticians) who projected profits in a country that were way wrong. In this case the government changed the regulations related to the business in the country which resulted in tens of millions in losses in USD. I know of another case where actuaries predicted a deal to be profitable that eventually led to over $100 million in losses.

The point is that whenever estimates are made they are always wrong because no one can tell the future. Sometimes estimates end up close and sometimes they are not and sometimes they are way off.

3. The current estimate for the coronavirus fatality rate is about 3.4%.
The estimates for the fatality rate for the coronavirus are shocking. The CDC released one report in February stating the rate varies between 12% and 1%:

Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas.

A report by the World Health Organization (WHO) and China estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.8% based on actual results:

As of 20 February, 2114 of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (crude fatality ratio [CFR2] 3.8%) (note: at least some of whom were identified using a case definition that included pulmonary disease). The overall CFR varies by location and intensity of transmission (i.e. 5.8% in Wuhan vs. 0.7% in other areas in China).

Other reports are that the WHO estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.4%:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated the mortality rate from Covid-19 is about 3.4%. That is higher than seasonal flu and is cause for concern – but even if it is correct, more than 96% of people who become infected with the coronavirus will recover.

As of today, the actual fatality rate for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus is 3.84%. This is the number of fatalities from the virus divided by the number of individuals who were confirmed with the virus.

4. The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%).
As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier, according to CDC numbers, in the US in the 2019-2020 flu season, there were 222,000 confirmed cases of the flu from testing and an estimated 36 million flu cases in the United States. There were 22,000 confirmed deaths from the flu.

Note that the number of deaths and confirmed cases (through testing) of the flu in the US are based on actual data. The number of individuals who contracted the flu is an estimate by experts. There is no way to know who had the flu in the US because many cases are not severe and people do not have a test done to confirm they had the flu. They believe their symptoms are minor and go on with their normal lives thinking they have a cold or something similar. Because of this, the CDC must estimate and they estimated 36 million people had the flu in this past flu season.

The rate of the number of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who had the flu is therefore .1% (22,000 / 36 million). This is an estimate.

However, the rate of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were confirmed to have had the flu is around 10% (22,000/ 222,000). This is based on actual data similar to the rate for the coronavirus above.

5. Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu.
Based on the above numbers, the actual fatality rates for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus are around 3.4%.
The actual rates for those who were confirmed to have had the flu are around 10%.

The actual data shows that the fatality rate for those who had the flu (10%) is 6% higher than for those with the coronavirus (3.8%).

6. Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’.
The fatality rate that is commonly referred to in the media for the coronavirus is 3.4% from the WHO. This number is based on actual cases of those who are confirmed with the virus.

The flu fatality rate provided by the CDC includes an estimate of individuals who had the flu but were not confirmed while the fatality rate for the coronavirus does not include those who had the coronavirus but were not confirmed. This is why the flu fatality rate is .1% and the coronavirus fatality rate is 3.4%!

The two rates are like comparing apples to oranges. By doing so the coronavirus fatality rate is way overstated when compared to the flu and the media has created a worldwide crisis and panic by reporting this!

The coronavirus is not more fatal than the flu based on current data. It is much less fatal than the flu based on current data.

7. Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly and sick (similar to the flu).
Similar to the flu, those most at risk of dying from the coronavirus are the elderly and the sick. The average age for those who died from the coronavirus in Italy is 81 years old. This is consistent around the world. There have been no known fatalities for any children 10 and under.

The sick are also at a higher risk similar to the flu. Current data shows that if you have no pre-existing conditions, your fatality rate if you contract the coronavirus is .9% (and what proportion of these cases are the elderly).

In summary, the coronavirus is not as deadly as is being portrayed in the lying liberal media. In fact it is not as deadly as the flu. The elderly and the sick should be protected. Everyone else has very little to worry about. Again, don’t believe what the media is telling you. They are lying again.

Ares
16th March 2020, 08:52 AM
It's definitely being used as cover for something, but I've read many wide ranges of speculation of what it could being used for cover for.

I'm still on the fence about what it could be used for, but it's pretty clear that it's fatality rate has been way over inflated and hyped for a reason.

EE_
16th March 2020, 08:55 AM
It's definitely being used as cover for something, but I've read many wide ranges of speculation of what it could being used for cover for.

I'm still on the fence about what it could be used for, but it's pretty clear that it's fatality rate has been way over inflated and hyped for a reason.

One thing I know of for sure, huge amounts of money are moving around the world.
Round and round it goes, where it ends up, nobody will know.

midnight rambler
16th March 2020, 09:02 AM
Well that's a very interesting theory and all, but it's very doubtful it's something the health care workers on the front line would agree with, in fact I doubt that you could find a single HCW on the front lines who would agree with that theory in any way - except to say "under-reported." The overloaded health care system crisis in Italy is very real.

https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270

Horn
16th March 2020, 09:49 AM
It's definitely being used as cover for something, but I've read many wide ranges of speculation of what it could being used for cover for.

I'm still on the fence about what it could be used for, but it's pretty clear that it's fatality rate has been way over inflated and hyped for a reason.

What about the transfer rates, everyone doesn't get the flu.

In fact most wont at all.

midnight rambler
16th March 2020, 10:00 AM
What about the transfer rates, everyone doesn't get the flu.

In fact most wont at all.

Yes, everyone will eventually be exposed to this virus and of course likely get it, that's how novel viruses work. Novel because the virus is new and no one has been exposed to it in order to build a herd immunity. The virus will continue it's run until everyone has been exposed and survived or died. It may take 2-3 years but it's inescapable.

EE_
16th March 2020, 10:19 AM
Well that's a very interesting theory and all, but it's very doubtful it's something the health care workers on the front line would agree with, in fact I doubt that you could find a single HCW on the front lines who would agree with that theory in any way - except to say "under-reported." The overloaded health care system crisis in Italy is very real.

https://www.newsweek.com/newt-gingrich-i-am-italy-amid-coronavirus-crisis-america-must-act-now-act-big-opinion-1492270


Hope this eases your fear, panic and hysteria...

STUNNING: Average Age of Italians Who Have Died From Coronavirus is 81!
Jim Hoft by Jim Hoft March 15, 2020 146 Comments

It appears Coronavirus is a Deadly Senior’s disease

The Italian government released numbers on the coronavirus last week.
There were 1,809 new cases of the deadly disease reported in Italy on Sunday.

The Italian government also recently released the percentage of deaths by age group.

90+ years old: 6% of deaths
80 – 89 years old: 42% of deaths
70 – 79 years old: 35% of deaths
60 – 69 years old: 16% of deaths

These numbers came from the World Health Organization YouTube page.

99% of the coronavirus deaths in Italy are people 60-years-old and older.
And according to the BBC the the AVERAGE AGE of those who have died is 81!
These are stunning numbers.
The coronavirus website still shows NO DEATHS in the 0-9 age group and .2% of deaths in those 10-39 years-old.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/stunning-average-age-of-italians-who-have-died-from-coronavirus-is-81/

midnight rambler
16th March 2020, 10:51 AM
I don't believe wishful thinking, cherished delusions, or utter bullshit. Only first hand eye witness accounts have substance.

As Roy Potter has pointed out, it doesn't mean SHIT if the virus is real or a 'hoax', the net result is the same. This man-made virus created and set loose by the dark side was intended to do precisely what it is doing, which it is very effective at.

Where are the medical professionals calling out the 'hoax' and downplaying the 'hoax' calling it 'just like the flu' with a very similar CFR?? We don't see that because they know better.

As only ONE example I'd like to seen this disproven, so go ahead and try your best.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/emergency-room-doctors-critical-condition-coronavirus

EE_
16th March 2020, 11:55 AM
I don't believe wishful thinking, cherished delusions, or utter bullshit. Only first hand eye witness accounts have substance.

As Roy Potter has pointed out, it doesn't mean SHIT if the virus is real or a 'hoax', the net result is the same. This man-made virus created and set loose by the dark side was intended to do precisely what it is doing, which it is very effective at.

Where are the medical professionals calling out the 'hoax' and downplaying the 'hoax' calling it 'just like the flu' with a very similar CFR?? We don't see that because they know better.

As only ONE example I'd like to seen this disproven, so go ahead and try your best.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/emergency-room-doctors-critical-condition-coronavirus

I don't have to prove shit. I'll believe what I want and you believe what you want. All I know is, I've talked to people around the country and no one knows anyone that is sick , or has died from the hoax flu.

Ares
16th March 2020, 12:14 PM
I don't believe wishful thinking, cherished delusions, or utter bullshit. Only first hand eye witness accounts have substance.

As Roy Potter has pointed out, it doesn't mean SHIT if the virus is real or a 'hoax', the net result is the same. This man-made virus created and set loose by the dark side was intended to do precisely what it is doing, which it is very effective at.

Where are the medical professionals calling out the 'hoax' and downplaying the 'hoax' calling it 'just like the flu' with a very similar CFR?? We don't see that because they know better.

As only ONE example I'd like to seen this disproven, so go ahead and try your best.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/emergency-room-doctors-critical-condition-coronavirus

H1N1 was more deadly than this "pandemic" we have the numbers for that and is proven, yet the nation didn't go into utter lock down.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

No I don't believe the virus is a hoax, yes I do believe it was engineered. The genome shows signs of that. However I also think it's being used as a cover, but for what I am not sure. Just pointing out the irregularities in how previous more deadly viruses were handled.

Horn
16th March 2020, 12:24 PM
Yes, everyone will eventually be exposed to this virus and of course likely get it, that's how novel viruses work. Novel because the virus is new and no one has been exposed to it in order to build a herd immunity. The virus will continue it's run until everyone has been exposed and survived or died. It may take 2-3 years but it's inescapable.

I've never seen flu season last that long, might aswell just let it run its course without any containment and be better off for it.

Or have government contain you for 3 years.

midnight rambler
16th March 2020, 12:45 PM
H1N1 was more deadly than this "pandemic" we have the numbers for that and is proven, yet the nation didn't go into utter lock down.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

No I don't believe the virus is a hoax, yes I do believe it was engineered. The genome shows signs of that. However I also think it's being used as a cover, but for what I am not sure. Just pointing out the irregularities in how previous more deadly viruses were handled.

A couple of questions:

Was H1N1 as highly contagious with a similar R0 as in 4.7-6.6? What was the R0 of H1N1?

What was the CFR of H1N1?

midnight rambler
16th March 2020, 12:47 PM
I've never seen flu season last that long, might aswell just let it run its course without any containment and be better off for it.

Or have government contain you for 3 years.

This isn't the flu and it isn't 'seasonal', they have clusters in Australia where summer is ending and it's still plenty warm.

And the problem with "just let it run its course without any containment" results in a swamped if not collapsed health care/hospital system. JPS Who wants that?? ???

Ares
16th March 2020, 01:42 PM
H1N1 in the United States had a CFR of 20.4 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3809029/)

H1N1 in the United States had a peak rate of reproduction of 1.5 in June 2009: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3084966/

It looks like H1N1 did not reproduce as fast as Covid-19, but appears to be more deadly. At least according to the numbers so far, unless I'm reading them wrong. Feel free to correct if I am.

Horn
16th March 2020, 03:18 PM
This isn't the flu and it isn't 'seasonal', they have clusters in Australia where summer is ending and it's still plenty warm.

And the problem with "just let it run its course without any containment" results in a swamped if not collapsed health care/hospital system. JPS Who wants that?? ???

Fuck'em!

2nd waves are showing up in Iran now, they can go there and swamp hospitals.

Cebu_4_2
16th March 2020, 03:44 PM
I've never seen flu season last that long, might aswell just let it run its course without any containment and be better off for it.

Or have government contain you for 3 years.

My state has shut schools, restaurants, gyms, all open air and closed entertainment facilities. Pretty much a lock down anywhere people can gather except grocery stores, gas stations. Either this Beer virus is contagious as ever or there is some big shit happening. Last 4 days there is no water, meat or paper anywhere. When I look at people loading stuff there vehicles are packed solid.

Ares
17th March 2020, 05:12 AM
The Coronavirus Fatality Rate Reported by the Media Is COMPLETELY INACCURATE. The Actual Rate Is LESS THAN THE FLU – MEDIA LYING AGAIN!

The current estimate for the fatality rates on the coronavirus just don’t add up. The estimates based on current data are completely inaccurate. Current data shows that this virus is much less deadly that even the common flu from the 2019-2020 season.

Summary of points below:

Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus
Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are off, way off
The current global coronavirus fatality rate is estimated at 3.4%
The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%)
Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu
Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’
Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly (average age of death in 80) and the sick


1. Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus.
Often times estimates have to be made because data is just not yet available. These estimates usually involve obtaining information that is available and making estimates on what is not. We cannot tell the future but we can make educated guesses based on information available. This is what has been done with the coronavirus because this type of virus has apparently never been seen before.

2. Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are wrong, way off.
I personally know of estimates made by actuaries (i.e. statisticians) who projected profits in a country that were way wrong. In this case the government changed the regulations related to the business in the country which resulted in tens of millions in losses in USD. I know of another case where actuaries predicted a deal to be profitable that eventually led to over $100 million in losses.

The point is that whenever estimates are made they are always wrong because no one can tell the future. Sometimes estimates end up close and sometimes they are not and sometimes they are way off.


3. The current estimate for the coronavirus fatality rate is about 3.4%.
The estimates for the fatality rate for the coronavirus are shocking. The CDC released one report in February stating the rate varies between 12% and 1%:

Our estimates of the risk for death in Wuhan reached values as high as 12% in the epicenter of the epidemic and ≈1% in other, more mildly affected areas.

A report by the World Health Organization (WHO) and China estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.8% based on actual results:

As of 20 February, 2114 of the 55,924 laboratory confirmed cases have died (crude fatality ratio [CFR2] 3.8%) (note: at least some of whom were identified using a case definition that included pulmonary disease). The overall CFR varies by location and intensity of transmission (i.e. 5.8% in Wuhan vs. 0.7% in other areas in China).

Other reports are that the WHO estimates the mortality rate to be around 3.4%:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated the mortality rate from Covid-19 is about 3.4%. That is higher than seasonal flu and is cause for concern – but even if it is correct, more than 96% of people who become infected with the coronavirus will recover.

As of today, the actual fatality rate for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus is 3.84%. This is the number of fatalities from the virus divided by the number of individuals who were confirmed with the virus.

4. The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%).
As The Gateway Pundit reported earlier, according to CDC numbers, in the US in the 2019-2020 flu season, there were 222,000 confirmed cases of the flu from testing and an estimated 36 million flu cases in the United States. There were 22,000 confirmed deaths from the flu.

Note that the number of deaths and confirmed cases (through testing) of the flu in the US are based on actual data. The number of individuals who contracted the flu is an estimate by experts. There is no way to know who had the flu in the US because many cases are not severe and people do not have a test done to confirm they had the flu. They believe their symptoms are minor and go on with their normal lives thinking they have a cold or something similar. Because of this, the CDC must estimate and they estimated 36 million people had the flu in this past flu season.

The rate of the number of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who had the flu is therefore .1% (22,000 / 36 million). This is an estimate.

However, the rate of individuals who died from the flu to the number of individuals who were confirmed to have had the flu is around 10% (22,000/ 222,000). This is based on actual data similar to the rate for the coronavirus above.

5. Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu.
Based on the above numbers, the actual fatality rates for those who were confirmed to have had the coronavirus are around 3.4%.
The actual rates for those who were confirmed to have had the flu are around 10%.

The actual data shows that the fatality rate for those who had the flu (10%) is 6% higher than for those with the coronavirus (3.8%).

6. Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’.
The fatality rate that is commonly referred to in the media for the coronavirus is 3.4% from the WHO. This number is based on actual cases of those who are confirmed with the virus.

The flu fatality rate provided by the CDC includes an estimate of individuals who had the flu but were not confirmed while the fatality rate for the coronavirus does not include those who had the coronavirus but were not confirmed. This is why the flu fatality rate is .1% and the coronavirus fatality rate is 3.4%!

The two rates are like comparing apples to oranges. By doing so the coronavirus fatality rate is way overstated when compared to the flu and the media has created a worldwide crisis and panic by reporting this!

The coronavirus is not more fatal than the flu based on current data. It is much less fatal than the flu based on current data.

7. Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly and sick (similar to the flu).
Similar to the flu, those most at risk of dying from the coronavirus are the elderly and the sick. The average age for those who died from the coronavirus in Italy is 81 years old. This is consistent around the world. There have been no known fatalities for any children 10 and under.

The sick are also at a higher risk similar to the flu. Current data shows that if you have no pre-existing conditions, your fatality rate if you contract the coronavirus is .9% (and what proportion of these cases are the elderly).

In summary, the coronavirus is not as deadly as is being portrayed in the lying liberal media. In fact it is not as deadly as the flu. The elderly and the sick should be protected. Everyone else has very little to worry about. Again, don’t believe what the media is telling you. They are lying again.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-exclusive-the-coronavirus-fatality-rate-reported-by-the-media-is-completely-inaccurate-the-actual-rate-is-less-than-the-flu-media-lying-again/

vacuum
17th March 2020, 11:06 AM
Death rate is relative depending on the medical care you get.

The coronavirus is much more contagious than the flu.

A person with the flu will on average infect like 1.25 other people. So the flu slowly spreads until that rate drops below 1.0.

The coronavirus has an infection rate of about 2.6, and in crowded environments, up to numbers like 5 or 6.

This means that it spreads incredibly rapidly.

If the flu had a contagion rate of 3 or 4, it would also be a big problem, and the death rate due to flu would go up. Because everyone would be getting it all at once, overloading the hospitals, and people who would have easily survived would then die from the flu.

But also, this virus tends to infect the lower respiratory system of some individuals which is serious, and upper respiratory system in others which is mild.

The death rate is low right now because everyone is getting the medical care they need. But when hospitals are overloaded, the death rate from cornonavirus will go much higher. Up to 15% of people who get it need medical care, and up to 5% who get it need life saving medical care.

So just because the death rate is 0.1% or 0.2% today, doesn't mean it doesn't climb to 1% or 2% or higher if not properly managed.

Lets run the numbers. Because its so contagious, lets say 70% of Americans get it. Because of hospital overloading, lets say the death rate climbs to 0.5%. Thats over 1 million dead people. Mostly old white men btw, as the virus is more deadly for men than women.

Horn
18th March 2020, 11:07 PM
Death rate is relative depending on the medical care you get.

what the virus wants, the virus gets.

Aint no level of medical care or management saving those whose body cant save themselves.

And what the death rate is only about, you have an elder less healthy population the rate goes up.

Living in a petridish and at home only creates emergency in waves, in my estimation.