Navy Ships are obviously as unsafe as Cruise Ships

[Jewboo]

Navy Ships are obviously as unsafe as Cruise Ships with coronavirus.

One single case on a submarine or aircraft carrier and those crews will jump in the lifeboats.

Thoughts?

:(??


2020 coronavirus pandemic on cruise ships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships)

Passengers and crew who travelled on several cruise ships during the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic) were found to be infected with the novel SARS-CoV-2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2) virus that caused the pandemic. Although most ships involved did not have substantial spread of the disease, on the British-registered Diamond Princess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_(ship)), there was substantial spread of the virus amongst the passengers and crew. The ship was quarantined in February 2020 for nearly a month with about 3,700 passengers and crew on board; around 700 people were infected in the incident, and seven died.
The crisis management team of the German federal government said on 4 March 2020, following several actual and suspected outbreaks on cruise ships, "The Federal Foreign Office has included in its travel advice that there is an increased risk of quarantine on cruise ships."[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-berliner-1) On 11 March 2020, Viking Cruises (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Cruises) suspended operations for its 79-vessel fleet until the end of April, cancelling all ocean and river cruises, after it was revealed that a passenger on a cruise in Cambodia had been exposed to the virus while in transit via plane, placing at least 28 other passengers in quarantine.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-2)[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-3) Similarly, on 12 March, Princess Cruises (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Cruises), owner of virus-stricken ships Diamond Princess and Grand Princess (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Princess), suspended operations for all future cruises on its 18-ship fleet for 60 days.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-5) The Federal Transport Minister (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Transport_(Canada)) of Canada (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) announced on 13 March that ships carrying more than 500 people cannot dock in Canada through 1 July 2020.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_on_cruise_ships#cite_not e-6)

[carpathian]

There is no individuals with shitty health conditions, or elderly on submarines or navy ships.
I was diagnosed positive and i am 54. Not a biggie , fever around 102 for less than a day and was sooo cold.
Next day just some body aches and a couple of coughs.
My wifey got sick last night and this morning no fever already.
I took 40 000 of vit D and 3 000 of liposomal C for the first and second days and lots of zinc ( 100 mg).

Doesn't look like life threatening to me, similar to common cold kinda.

Edit: 5 days incubation period

[midnight rambler]

Doesn't look like life threatening to me, similar to common cold kinda

Yeah, tell that to the doctors in ICU if and when they recover.

50%-75% of infected are asymptomatic, you and your wife just happened to present systems. We will ALL be exposed at some point, it's matter of managing viral load. If an infected person sneezed or coughed on you then the outcome may have been very different because I'm thinking your initial viral load was not substantial.

[carpathian]

How is that related to the original question about navy and subs? Or most of us?
If you are getting paid for you "panic mode" posts - you are doing a good job, just not in the right place.
If you really believe in what you post, then i am sorry. Please keep your mask on all the time, we are going to die, all of us

[JDRock]

i did notice how china quarantined their entire military BEFORE the breakout. The feckers will be able and ready when the baloon goes up.

[carpathian]

Could be that this one is a rehearsal before a big one

[midnight rambler]

How is that related to the original question about navy and subs? Or most of us?
If you are getting paid for you "panic mode" posts - you are doing a good job, just not in the right place.
If you really believe in what you post, then i am sorry. Please keep your mask on all the time, we are going to die, all of us

If I'm wrong then I'll eat crow with a smile on my face. How about you? What if YOU are wrong?? And how do you account for the hospitals in Italy near or at collapse?? People are faking dying?? ??? Like they WANT to be intubated??

[carpathian]

Largest percent of elderly people in Italy.
Same percent of "don'tgiveashit" attitude , they are way too relaxed in general.
People are always dying, we all are going to die one day. Please relax if you don't have any life threatening conditions.
Go outside and shoot some crows :)

[midnight rambler]

I've been right at death's doorstep and was all set to go. I got turned away and I'm still here nearly 40 years later. Death has no hold on me, anytime is fine, HOWEVER it is my duty to the Source to move as the Spirit moves me and STAND.

[madfranks]

There is no individuals with shitty health conditions, or elderly on submarines or navy ships.
I was diagnosed positive and i am 54. Not a biggie , fever around 102 for less than a day and was sooo cold.
Next day just some body aches and a couple of coughs.
My wifey got sick last night and this morning no fever already.
I took 40 000 of vit D and 3 000 of liposomal C for the first and second days and lots of zinc ( 100 mg).

Doesn't look like life threatening to me, similar to common cold kinda.

Edit: 5 days incubation period

Thanks for the report, good to know that you made it through. Like MR, I believe we'll all be exposed and infected soon enough, so for myself and my family, we're working on building up our immune systems so that when we catch it, we can get over it faster.

[Jewboo]

There is no individuals with shitty health conditions, or elderly on submarines or navy ships.
I was diagnosed positive and i am 54. Not a biggie , fever around 102 for less than a day and was sooo cold.
Next day just some body aches and a couple of coughs.
My wifey got sick last night and this morning no fever already.
I took 40 000 of vit D and 3 000 of liposomal C for the first and second days and lots of zinc ( 100 mg).

Doesn't look like life threatening to me, similar to common cold kinda.

Edit: 5 days incubation period

Gosh. This is suddenly the first post by "carpathian" since 2014...six years ago.

Tell us about how you are caring for your elderly relatives during this geezer medical crisis. (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-outbreaks-spreading-in-nursing-homes-11584628291)

:rolleyes:


Survival of the fittest (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/483528-coronavirus-world-capitalism-barbarism/)

A careful observer easily noticed the change in tone in how those in power address us: they are not just trying to project calm and confidence, they also regularly utter dire predictions – the pandemic is likely to take about two (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-millions/german-institute-two-years-for-pandemic-to-run-its-course-idUSKBN2141GT) years to run its course and the virus will eventually infect 60-70 percent of the global population, with millions dead.

In short, their true message is that we’ll have to curtail the basic premise of our social ethics: the care for the old and weak. In Italy, for instance, it’s already been proposed that if the virus crisis gets worse, patients over 80 or those with other heavy diseases will be simply left to die (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/coronavirus-hit-italy-warns-those-21702596).

One should note how accepting this logic of the “survival of the fittest” violates even the basic principle of military ethics which tells us that, after the battle, one should first take care of the heavily wounded even if the chance of saving them is minimal. (However, upon a closer look, this shouldn’t surprise us: hospitals are already doing the same thing with cancer patients).

To avoid a misunderstanding, I am an utter realist here – one should plan even medicaments to enable a painless death of the terminally ill, to spare them the unnecessary suffering. But our first priority should be nonetheless not to economize but to help unconditionally, irrespective of costs, those who need help, to enable their survival.

So I respectfully disagree with Italian philosopher Giorgio Agamben who sees (https://itself.blog/2020/03/17/giorgio-agamben-clarifications/?fbclid=IwAR2VGR2zhkLvUAgqIiDw00uLta3uU9XqFAE2FUZj w3dZIlyifU3RavLDQ8Q) in the ongoing crisis a sign that “our society no longer believes in anything but bare life. It is obvious that Italians are disposed to sacrifice practically everything — the normal conditions of life, social relationships, work, even friendships, affections, and religious and political convictions — to the danger of getting sick. Bare life — and the danger of losing it — is not something that unites people, but blinds and separates them.”

Things are much more ambiguous: it DOES also unite people – to maintain a corporeal distance is to show respect to others since I also may be a virus bearer. My sons avoid me now because they are afraid they will contaminate me (what is to them a passing illness can be deadly for me).

[midnight rambler]

Gosh. This is suddenly the first post by "carpathian" since 2014...six years ago.

Tell us about how you are caring for your elderly relatives during this geezer medical crisis.

:rolleyes:

Death is becoming acceptable on both ends, post birth babies 'aborted' and the old denied medical treatment just because they're burdensome. How far have we fallen.

[carpathian]

[SIZE=3]
Gosh. This is suddenly the first post by "carpathian" since 2014...six years ago...


Was busy. Kids, new house, lots of work. Now with 2 weeks minimum of quarantine i have a couple minutes here and there.

My parents are healthy and not in nursing home. They do follow my instructions and aware of the danger.
I do not feel that i am old enough to be in the risk group

[Cebu_4_2]

Thanks for the report, good to know that you made it through. Like MR, I believe we'll all be exposed and infected soon enough, so for myself and my family, we're working on building up our immune systems so that when we catch it, we can get over it faster.

Cooked up my first batch of Elderberry syrup for preventative. Needs honey for sure. Got the Oscillococcinum tabs in case any symptoms. Also have licorice root for head cold symptoms. Just need that .gov stimulus money to stack more silver.

[Jewboo]

My parents are healthy and not in nursing home. They do follow my instructions and aware of the danger.
I do not feel that i am old enough to be in the risk group.



Your parents and other geezers ARE in the high-risk group and your minor symptoms can infect them.

[carpathian]

we understand that very clear. no visits, only phone and skype or duo

[Jewboo]

There is no individuals with shitty health conditions, or elderly on submarines or navy ships.



2nd coronavirus case confirmed aboard US Navy warship despite ‘aggressive mitigation strategy’ (https://www.rt.com/usa/483473-us-navy-coronavirus-boxer/)

Coronavirus cases have been confirmed on several other US Navy ships as well. The Department of Defense said on Wednesday that 49 service members, 14 military civilians, 19 dependents, and seven contractors have so far tested positive.

[Down1]

I wonder how many sailors were at this event 10 days ago ?
https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/thousands-attended-miami-gay-festival-several-later-tested-positive-coronavirus-n1161496

[Down1]

Navy Ships are obviously as unsafe as Cruise Ships with coronavirus.

One single case on a submarine or aircraft carrier and those crews will jump in the lifeboats.

Thoughts?

:(??

It begins.

Coronavirus outbreak diverts Navy aircraft carrier to Guam, all 5,000 aboard to be tested
The number of infected sailors has risen sharply — from initial reports of three to "dozens" as of Thursday, officials said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-outbreak-diverts-navy-aircraft-carrier-guam-all-5-000-n1169726

[midnight rambler]

It begins.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-outbreak-diverts-navy-aircraft-carrier-guam-all-5-000-n1169726

Close the sale, show us a body count (as in dead bodies) of sailors.

[keehah]

Submarines are obviously too unsafe to continue using. Aircraft carriers have room for the crew to self isolate by living and camping in tents on the flight deck.

I wonder if all the proposed corporate bailouts with public money are to help prevent our politicians and managerial public servants from being sued for billions (trillions?) of dollars.

B.C.'s health minister urges people to avoid cruise ships as start of Vancouver season nears (https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-s-health-minister-urges-people-to-avoid-cruise-ships-as-start-of-vancouver-season-nears-1.4843586)


Stanford professor, John P.A. Ioannidis, says data indicates we are over-reacting
A fiasco in the making? As the coronavirus pandemic takes hold, we are making decisions without reliable data (https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/)
John P.A. Ioannidis
March 17, 2020

The one situation where an entire, closed population was tested was the Diamond Princess cruise ship and its quarantine passengers. The case fatality rate there was 1.0%, but this was a largely elderly population, in which the death rate from Covid-19 is much higher.

Projecting the Diamond Princess mortality rate onto the age structure of the U.S. population, the death rate among people infected with Covid-19 would be 0.125%. But since this estimate is based on extremely thin data — there were just seven deaths among the 700 infected passengers and crew — the real death rate could stretch from five times lower (0.025%) to five times higher (0.625%). It is also possible that some of the passengers who were infected might die later, and that tourists may have different frequencies of chronic diseases — a risk factor for worse outcomes with SARS-CoV-2 infection — than the general population. Adding these extra sources of uncertainty, reasonable estimates for the case fatality ratio in the general U.S. population vary from 0.05% to 1%.

That huge range markedly affects how severe the pandemic is and what should be done. A population-wide case fatality rate of 0.05% is lower than seasonal influenza. If that is the true rate, locking down the world with potentially tremendous social and financial consequences may be totally irrational. It’s like an elephant being attacked by a house cat. Frustrated and trying to avoid the cat, the elephant accidentally jumps off a cliff and dies.

[Jewboo]

Navy Ships are obviously as unsafe as Cruise Ships with coronavirus.

One single case on a submarine or aircraft carrier and those crews will jump in the lifeboats.

Thoughts?

:(??

IT IS HAPPENING

:o
(https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1585268427974.png)

[Jewboo]

There is no individuals with shitty health conditions, or elderly on submarines or navy ships...Doesn't look like life threatening to me, similar to common cold kinda.



:rolleyes: Looks like our entire Navy will abandon ship in Clown World:

Nearly 3,000 sailors to leave carrier amid virus outbreak (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-3000-sailors-to-leave-carrier-amid-virus-outbreak/ar-BB122iWu?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout)

[Down1]

Stupid carrier is only there to contain China.

Let's make our own stuff and let Asians deal with any CCP threat.

[Down1]

Let's get rid of the White Captain !

Navy captain who raised coronavirus alarm about aircraft carrier relieved of command
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/navy-capt-brett-crozier-relieved-o-command-after-sounding-coronavirus-alarm/

[Jewboo]

:rolleyes: Looks like our entire Navy will abandon ship in Clown World:

Nearly 3,000 sailors to leave carrier amid virus outbreak (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nearly-3000-sailors-to-leave-carrier-amid-virus-outbreak/ar-BB122iWu?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout)

:rolleyes: More in our Clown World:

A crew member aboard the U.S. Navy hospital ship USNS Comfort has tested positive for novel (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crewmember-on-navy-hospital-ship-comfort-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB12fgAw?ocid=mailsignout)coronavirus (https://abcnews.go.com/Health/Coronavirus) and is currently in isolation aboard the ship that is currently docked in (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crewmember-on-navy-hospital-ship-comfort-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB12fgAw?ocid=mailsignout)New York City (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/new-york), according to a U.S. Navy statement. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/crewmember-on-navy-hospital-ship-comfort-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB12fgAw?ocid=mailsignout)

[keehah]

It was the COVID-19 pandemic on Diamond Princess (wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_on_Diamond_Princess) sickness and death data from February 2020
that was the finial bit of evidence I analyzed to reasonably confirm that Covid-19 was no worse than a 5-10 year bad cold and flu season and thus not significantly worse than normal cold and flu seasons.

independent.co.uk: Three major cruise brands to drop Covid vaccine rule from September (https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/cruise-norwegian-regent-oceania-vaccination-b2143764.html)

4 hours ago
Three cruise brands will drop their requirement for passengers to show proof of Covid vaccination from next month.

Norwegian, Regent Seven Seas, and Oceania – three of the largest brands in the Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) Holdings fleet – said they will be the first US-based cruise firms to enact this rule change from 3 September.

Cruise guests must still show proof of a negative Covid test taken within 72 hours of setting sail