Guns- tell me what I need to get

[Amanda]

Okay, so I literally know nothing. Could people here just tell me what I need to get?
Thanks

[woodman]

Get a shotgun for home defense. Get a small 380 pistol for carry. Practice.

[Tumbleweed]

The Ruger LCP's are easy to conceal in a lot of ways and if they're easy to conceal and carry you'll probably carry it all the time. That's what you need to do. You need to be able to comfortably carry them so you always have it handy.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99TIAa848Q8

[midnight rambler]

I suggest a Ruger LCR revolver in .38 special, then add a green laser sight. Alternatively I would suggest considering a 9mm Glock 19. Heavier and larger (it's classified as a compact pistol) but at least 15 rounds instead of 5. I have .380 as pocket guns but I like to have all the energy I can muster on tap.

[Jewboo]

Get a shotgun for home defense. Get a small 380 pistol for carry. Practice.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4FXgG5fsRY

This one.

:)

[osoab]

If you are buying now, you might want to match whatever caliber ammo you might be able to acquire.

Things are slim from what I have been reading/told. I have not observed myself.

[cheka.]

I suggest a Ruger LCR revolver in .38 special, then add a green laser sight. Alternatively I would suggest considering a 9mm Glock 19. Heavier and larger (it's classified as a compact pistol) but at least 15 rounds instead of 5. I have .380 as pocket guns but I like to have all the energy I can muster on tap.

agree with revolver. simple for those that know nothing. everything else is dependent on spending time studying and practicing. you can always get more complex when/if you decide to study the stuff

[Hitch]

agree with revolver. simple for those that know nothing. everything else is dependent on spending time studying and practicing. you can always get more complex when/if you decide to study the stuff

I agree with the Ruger LCR as well. I have 2, a 38+p and a .22 long rifle. I'd recommend not shooting +p out of it until your are comfortable with the recoil. All other .38 ammo should be fine.

[midnight rambler]

I agree with the Ruger LCR as well. I have 2, a 38+p and a .22 long rifle.

I had a LCR in .22 but could not stand the horrendous trigger pull, it was the worst ever.

[Tumbleweed]

Looks like the Ruger LCP II Jewboo suggests is an improvement over the older LCP's I have. A Bulldog cell phone case/holster for it would be a good combination because it's always with you and easy to get too. I've been in situations where I had a gun nearby but I couldn't get to it when I've wanted it. I've worn out two or three of the Bulldog holsters and no one ever notices I'm packing a gun like the guy in the video below says.

If you haven't already looked at this thread you may want to check it out. http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?100870-Self-Defense-around-Niggers





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLz6uI3EFNM

[ziero0]

Get a husband. Let him provide the protection.

[RatHoler]

First and foremost, review and understand the 4 rules of gun safety. There are tons of videos that show examples of the 4 rules.

In an ideal and normal situation I highly recommend that you go to a range and rent different guns (calibers & brands) to shoot to see which feels the best in your hand. If you feel
you don't have the time and want to buy a gun before the Apocalypse, you still need to give us much more information.

Do you have the budget to buy multiple guns or only one?
Is the gun simply for home self defense?
Are you going to carry the gun?
Where are you going to carry the pistol? Purse, pocket, holster?
Inside the waistband or outside the waistband?

[Amanda]

First and foremost, review and understand the 4 rules of gun safety. There are tons of videos that show examples of the 4 rules.

In an ideal and normal situation I highly recommend that you go to a range and rent different guns (calibers & brands) to shoot to see which feels the best in your hand. If you feel
you don't have the time and want to buy a gun before the Apocalypse, you still need to give us much more information.

Do you have the budget to buy multiple guns or only one?
Is the gun simply for home self defense?
Are you going to carry the gun?
Where are you going to carry the pistol? Purse, pocket, holster?
Inside the waistband or outside the waistband?

Thanks for all of this.
Yes, budget for more than one gun
Mainly thinking of home defense
Carry in purse

want to buy a gun before the Apocalypse hell show...Also worried that NJ Gov could just ban gun sales b/c of "pandemic"--pretty sure in one of Ron Paul's vids on corona, he mentioned Gov of Ohio banning gun sales.

Just found this: https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/new-jersey-gun-laws/

[osoab]

Get a husband. Let him provide the protection.

Maybe two or three for 24 hr protection. :rolleyes:

[RatHoler]

Thanks for all of this.
Yes, budget for more than one gun
Mainly thinking of home defense
Carry in purse

want to buy a gun before the Apocalypse hell show...Also worried that NJ Gov could just ban gun sales b/c of "pandemic"--pretty sure in one of Ron Paul's vids on corona, he mentioned Gov of Ohio banning gun sales.

Just found this: https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/new-jersey-gun-laws/
Shotgun or full sized semi-auto for home defense.

Smith & Wesson model 642 (https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/model-642) is a very popular .38 revolver for carry. I know a lady that carries one in her purse. Since it has an enclosed hammer it won't snag on anything. The downsides are it only holds 5 rounds and reloading a revolver in the highest stress situation will take longer than slapping another mag in a semi-auto.

.380 semi-auto pistols are also very popular for purse carry, but keep in mind that the general rule of thumb is that the smaller the gun, the more recoil. Many people also complain about the difficulty of racking the slide on many .380 pistols. My niece was given a Bodyguard (https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-bodyguard-380) by her boyfriend, but hates the thing. Again, that is just one persons opinion.

You also have to determine if you want a manual safety on the pistol. Many people, especially those to new to guns want that feature. I personally don't want anything extra (manual safety or decocker) on my pistols, but that's me. I also would recommend a single stack 9mm over the .380, but realize that might be too large for your purse.

The bottom line is that you have to get to a gun shop and/or range and see what is best for you regarding size, feel, and recoil. Take any specific recommendation as only a reference.

Good luck!

[Tumbleweed]

Mainly thinking of home defense
Carry in purse
Just found this: https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/new-jersey-gun-laws/

I took a look at that link and it looks to me like it's time to get the hell out out of that state and move to one with better gun laws if you can.

[Amanda]

I took a look at that link and it looks to me like it's time to get the hell out out of that state and move to one with better gun laws if you can.


I had that some reaction. Unfortunately, that's simply not possible.
I feel totally screwed right now.
I feel sick.

[Tumbleweed]

I had that some reaction. Unfortunately, that's simply not possible.
I feel totally screwed right now.
I feel sick.

I was in New Jersey for a few days one time and I was packing a 357 Glock. If I were to go back there I'd still pack a gun but I'd do my best to keep it concealed and I'd do my best to avoid any situations that might attract the attention of a cop. When you're all alone at night there are no cops to protect you and you're on you own, law or no law it's best to be armed. When I was there I was out alone, in the dark, at night working and that's not good.

[Jewboo]

Also worried that NJ Gov could just ban gun sales b/c of "pandemic"

Just buy the newer Ruger LCPII model (not the old LCP model) that costs less than $300. Get it now while you still can. Worry about training and ponder all this other stuff later at your leisure. Phone your local gun stores and ask them if they have one IN STOCK. (https://www.google.com/search?bih=873&biw=1920&hl=en-US&ei=fB92Xv6FIt2u0PEPoKmu8AM&q=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&oq=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..274004...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.JU888dQ6Obo&ved=0ahUKEwj-s8nP3qvoAhVdFzQIHaCUCz4Q4dUDCAo)

:)



New Jersey gun laws are some of the most restrictive in the United States. It is a “May Issue” state so a person must demonstrate a justifiable need to carry a firearm. In reality it acts more like a “No Issue” state for regular citizens as permits are very difficult to obtain. Some of these restrictive laws are being tested in the courts. Permits are issued to both residents and non-residents. A firearms training course is required for new applicants and they must be at least 21 years or older.

[Tumbleweed]

Just buy the newer Ruger LCPII model (not the old LCP model) that costs less than $300. Get it now while you still can. Worry about training and ponder all this other stuff later at your leisure. Phone your local gun stores and ask them if they have one IN STOCK. (https://www.google.com/search?bih=873&biw=1920&hl=en-US&ei=fB92Xv6FIt2u0PEPoKmu8AM&q=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&oq=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..274004...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.JU888dQ6Obo&ved=0ahUKEwj-s8nP3qvoAhVdFzQIHaCUCz4Q4dUDCAo)

:)



I agree and that's damn good advice.

[Amanda]

Thanks so much for all of this excellent advice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jewboo]

Looks like the Ruger LCP II Jewboo suggests is an improvement over the older LCP's I have. A Bulldog cell phone case/holster for it would be a good...

The newest Ruger LCPII already comes with a free holster that Amanda can carry in her purse.

:)

Looks like THIS (https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/187011/998179684/wm_10264690.jpg) Amanda

[RatHoler]

Yes, I agree in this particular situation you need to buy something immediately. However, do NOT play with or load the gun until you understand the 4 rules of safety.

Ammo is another story where you will get all kinds of arguments regarding style, brands, and grain. You’ll probably be forced to buy what is available. Hopefully you get an experienced clerk to help you.

[monty]

First and foremost, review and understand the 4 rules of gun safety. There are tons of videos that show examples of the 4 rules.

In an ideal and normal situation I highly recommend that you go to a range and rent different guns (calibers & brands) to shoot to see which feels the best in your hand. If you feel
you don't have the time and want to buy a gun before the Apocalypse, you still need to give us much more information.

Do you have the budget to buy multiple guns or only one?
Is the gun simply for home self defense?
Are you going to carry the gun?
Where are you going to carry the pistol? Purse, pocket, holster?
Inside the waistband or outside the waistband?


By all means firearm safety should be the number one priority!

[JDRock]

It all depends on you location. Eastern seaboard would require different weapons than the rocky mts. City living, suburban living vs rural? The threat assessment is difficult w/o this info. Example, a 38 snubby is worthless on the great plains... so ..

[midnight rambler]

Forget everything I posted. lol

[midnight rambler]

Amanda, forget any recommendations for particular handguns so far. Most of the recommendations are coming from those of us very familiar with guns and we have our faves. I just spoke with my buddy and he gave me some really good advice. First of all you need to find a good gun trainer/instructor to get FITTED for the appropriate handgun for YOU. You need to seek out a qualified trainer who is not oriented towards or favoring a single brand. Additionally he said you should NOT get a semi-auto pistol under any circumstances unless and until you become more experienced. You pull the trigger on a revolver and it goes bang, very simple. A semi-auto pistol will be so non-intuitive that it may get you hurt, either by getting shot by the varmint or yourself. He also mentioned that outside police shootings (i.e. shootings by non-police) the average distance of a self-defense shooting is 12 feet. You need to have a handgun you're comfortable with so you PRACTICE. FWIW I mentioned the Ruger LCP to him and he said, "Those things are miserable to shoot." I agree. Get something you will PRACTICE with to become PROFICIENT.

[JDRock]

Get a husband. Let him provide the protection.

worst advise- men will break your heart and give you a just reason to USE your gun!
Srsly, for a purse gun I suggest a .38 stainless hammerless snubby. like the ladysmith. point it squeeze, it goes bang! No slide to rack, safteys to remember.

[Amanda]

worst advise- men will break your heart and give you a just reason to USE your gun! .

LOL, but so true

Anyway, just wanted to thank all of you here for all of the excellent advice!

[Tumbleweed]

worst advise- men will break your heart and give you a just reason to USE your gun!


My ex-wife took two shots at the guy she was married to before me with a .357 magnum in the house and missed him. Good thing for him she hadn't been practicing. :) I decided later on that she might not miss if she decided to take a shot at me so I got the hell away from her. :o

[ziero0]

worst advise- men will break your heart and give you a just reason to USE your gun!
.Husband = MAN. Of course messing with MEN will aggregate anyones stress level.

[cheka.]

i'm learning alongside amanda from this thread. which ammo is woman friendly - less kick, but can still do the job?

[JDRock]

.38 special .380 9mm are all pop guns. no felt recoil. .38 spec +p or +p+ will kick alot more. I would suggest to all here, consider moving out of urban and even suburban areas. I couldnt imagine the zombie hoards, police first and foremost coming for your preps. At least consider geography high on your list. If this is not "the big one" at least lets learn that it only took 2 weeks to put troops on the streets and lockdown the cities. like Lot, we need to leave sodom and gomorrah behind. cheers.

[midnight rambler]

My ex-wife took two shots at the guy she was married to before me with a .357 magnum in the house and missed him. Good thing for him she hadn't been practicing. :) I decided later on that she might not miss if she decided to take a shot at me so I got the hell away from her. :o

Did you know that before you married her?? ???

[Awoke]

If you are buying now, you might want to match whatever caliber ammo you might be able to acquire.

Things are slim from what I have been reading/told. I have not observed myself.

It's a nice feeling, to be sitting on ammo stocks right now.

[Hitch]

It's a nice feeling, to be sitting on ammo stocks right now.

Amen to this, especially here in lockdown CA. I wonder if any gun shops are even able to open here. Personal, I think a gun shop is an "essential service", but for I doubt CA feels the same way.

[Jewboo]

Just buy the newer Ruger LCPII model (not the old LCP model) that costs less than $300. Get it now while you still can. Worry about training and ponder all this other stuff later at your leisure. Phone your local gun stores and ask them if they have one IN STOCK. (https://www.google.com/search?bih=873&biw=1920&hl=en-US&ei=fB92Xv6FIt2u0PEPoKmu8AM&q=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&oq=New+Jersey+Gun+Store&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0..274004...0.0..0.0.0.......0......gws-wiz.JU888dQ6Obo&ved=0ahUKEwj-s8nP3qvoAhVdFzQIHaCUCz4Q4dUDCAo)

:)



AMANDA'S LAST DAY TO GO TO THE GUN STORE? (https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-information/general-public/governor-murphy-announces-statewide-stay-at-home-order-closure-of-all-non-essential-retail-businesses)

:o call now Amana

[Amanda]

I think I'm totally screwed. Didn't act fast enough. Have to get the permit first. (all last week I was spending all my time quickly building up the dried food, but I should have thought about this issue too--totally kicking myself)

Anyway, called one place, no answer. Called another place closed b/c no inventory--said it was "crazy out there" --I hope that means that there are some awake people in this state (but that would kind of surprise me)

I'm not going to give up. I just have to think about options.

[Cebu_4_2]

AMANDA'S LAST DAY TO GO TO THE GUN STORE? (https://covid19.nj.gov/faqs/nj-information/general-public/governor-murphy-announces-statewide-stay-at-home-order-closure-of-all-non-essential-retail-businesses)

:o call now Amana


Closure of All Non-Essential Retail Businesses
Governor Murphy’s Executive Order further directs the closure of all non-essential retail businesses to the public, with the exceptions of:

Liquor stores

[Tumbleweed]

Did you know that before you married her?? ???

She said her previous husband was a no-good SOB and had it coming. I think he probably was an asshole. I figured there wouldn't be any reason for her to do the same to me and there wasn't but she would get crazy sometimes. She was good looking, had thick golden blond hair down past her waist, green eyes and built like a brick shit house. I couldn't resist. We had a pretty good time for awhile until she'd get crazy and then it would get dangerous. We've made peace and get along good now and we're friends but we live in different states.

[EE_]

I think I'm totally screwed. Didn't act fast enough. Have to get the permit first. (all last week I was spending all my time quickly building up the dried food, but I should have thought about this issue too--totally kicking myself)

Anyway, called one place, no answer. Called another place closed b/c no inventory--said it was "crazy out there" --I hope that means that there are some awake people in this state (but that would kind of surprise me)

I'm not going to give up. I just have to think about options.

It might be easier to just buy a shotgun. Check sporting good stores that sell guns and pawn shops.

Something like this in either 12, or 20 gauge is the next best thing to a pistol
https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/mossberg-shockwave-nightstick/

[midnight rambler]

You're suggesting a shotgun as a purse gun??

OH! And FYI, EVERY Mossy shotgun has an inherent defect by design - if you drop it then it is very likely to become inoperative UNLESS you've rectified the problem. I have a Mossy Shockwave and after I got it I found out that if dropped it CAN become inoperable. So I intentionally dropped mine on carpet (no pad) from a height of only about 12-14 inches. It didn't 'break' on the first drop but DID become inoperable on the second drop. I took it to a gunsmith and had him fix the issue. Now that will never happen again.

[EE_]

You're suggesting a shotgun as a purse gun??

She may not be able to get through the pistol permit process during this crisis?
A shorty shotgun is better then nothing. For car and home.
Plenty to be had here https://www.gunbroker.com/All/search?Keywords=mossberg%20590%20shotguns&Sort=13&PageSize=24

[EE_]

You're suggesting a shotgun as a purse gun??

OH! And FYI, EVERY Mossy shotgun has an inherent defect by design - if you drop it then it is very likely to become inoperative UNLESS you've rectified the problem. I have a Mossy Shockwave and after I got it I found out that if dropped it CAN become inoperable. So I intentionally dropped mine on carpet (no pad) from a height of only about 12-14 inches. It didn't 'break' on the first drop but DID become inoperable on the second drop. I took it to a gunsmith and had him fix the issue. Now that will never happen again.

This is a sweet shotgun, if you can find one for $750


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFS0Zg6-788

[midnight rambler]

Screw getting a permit under exigent circumstances. What cop in his right mind is going to bust a woman over concealed carry (who's going to know??) under exigent circumstances?? Amanda just needs to be smart when carrying concealed.

FYI, Texas is not a constitutional carry state and I'm not going to asking permission for a God-given right. Do the math.

[Jewboo]

Before slumlord JQP banned images I would post THIS (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1437486551280.jpg) in a relevant thread without comment. Fuck you JQP...

:)

[JDRock]

if you go shotgun, get a 20ga 12ga with high brass will have alot of kick. also, you can buy used guns from friend and neighbor and family, legit.
pawn shops are a good source of 2nd hand guns.

[midnight rambler]

if you go shotgun, get a 20ga 12ga with high brass will have alot of kick. also, you can buy used guns from friend and neighbor and family, legit.
pawn shops are a good source of 2nd hand guns.

You're right, Amanda would be much better off with 20 gauge IF a pump, but I don't recommend a pump shotgun for a noob, AT ALL. Here's why, there's this condition called stressfire. I grew up with guns in the country. All the long arms in our household were in racks in my room as young as 12 (yes, I had the ammo too it was a different time), so I'm very familiar with how to manipulate various types of actions on various guns. However when you find yourself seriously wounded under stressfire conditions one loses fine motor skills and it's very easy to short stroke a pump shotgun despite tons of experience with pump shotguns which can lead to very poor results - speaking from personal experience (fortunately I was able to clear the jam from the short stroke without much of an issue). I do have pump shottys however my front line shottys are now all Benelli semi-autos which only come in 12 ga. And they aren't cheap, but Beneill M2s and M4s are the best, Benellis will still be functional long after all the pump shotguns have been worn out (this is not hyperbole but based on what the owner of the gun rental range outside LV has to say about high usage shotguns). The problem at this time is that Benellis being the most desirable shotgun they are out of stock essentially everywhere and when you do find one you're going to pay a premium. There are M2s on Gunbroker right now with starting bids from 1,260 to 1,400 and M4s from from 1,800 (in this climate I'm thinking they will be selling for more than that). For a complete noob I would suggest a Benelli M4 because it's gas operated and easier for a noob to master without any hiccups. The M4 is what the US Marines have for a shotgun with the designation of M1014.

[EE_]

You're right, Amanda would be much better off with 20 gauge IF a pump, but I don't recommend a pump shotgun for a noob, AT ALL. Here's why, there's this condition called stressfire. I grew up with guns in the country. All the long arms in our household were in racks in my room as young as 12 (yes, I had the ammo too it was a different time), so I'm very familiar with how to manipulate various types of actions on various guns. However when you find yourself seriously wounded under stressfire conditions one loses fine motor skills and it's very easy to short stroke a pump shotgun despite tons of experience with pump shotguns which can lead to very poor results - speaking from personal experience (fortunately I was able to clear the jam from the short stroke without much of an issue). I do have pump shottys however my front line shottys are now all Benelli semi-autos which only come in 12 ga. And they aren't cheap, but Beneill M2s and M4s are the best, Benellis will still be functional long after all the pump shotguns have been worn out (this is not hyperbole but based on what the owner of the gun rental range outside LV has to say about high usage shotguns). The problem at this time is that Benellis being the most desirable shotgun they are out of stock essentially everywhere and when you do find one you're going to pay a premium. There are M2s on Gunbroker right now with starting bids from 1,260 to 1,400 and M4s from from 1,800 (in this climate I'm thinking they will be selling for more than that). For a complete noob I would suggest a Benelli M4 because it's gas operated and easier for a noob to master without any hiccups. The M4 is what the US Marines have for a shotgun with the designation of M1014.

I had an Hk Benelli M1 Super90, before it was lost in a boating accident, very reliable shotgun and a must for removing those pesky drones flying overhead.

[ziero0]

Lack of a permit never stopped anyone from purchasing a black powder replica or an antique made prior to 1899.

[Hitch]

It's hard to beat a pump shotgun for home defense. The sound of racking the shotgun, is a great deterrent to a burglar or home invader. Given the circumstances, I'd say go out and get a 20 gauge shotgun and ammo immediately. Then JD's advise of hitting up pawn shops for a small revolver for the purse. Sure hope you don't have a wait period, Amanda. In CA, we have a 10 day wait period before we can even walk out the door with the rifle or pistol.

[midnight rambler]

A pump shotgun for an untrained noob is just plain stupid. It's a false sense of security. Believe it or not it's very easy to miss with a shotgun at close range while the misconception is that all you need to do is point it in the general direction. Buckshot shot spreads at roughly 1" per yard downrange, so at the average engagement distance of 12 ft. (not a good idea for any long arm use, I'd swiftly put it in reverse to increase the gap no matter what I was using 'cause a varmint can close the gap faster than you think) would have the shot in a cluster of only about 4" across. Shooting from the shoulder is far more accurate however that may not be optimum in a close engagement and shooting accurately from the hip takes tons of practice. Sure the sound of one being cocked gets someone's attention and that's all good, as for bringing it into action and being effective without getting hurt is another story entirely.

That's my take. I'm going to ask my buddy who owned the gun store what he thinks about pump shottys for noobs.

[EE_]

A pump shotgun for an untrained noob is just plain stupid. It's a false sense of security. Believe it or not it's very easy to miss with a shotgun at close range while the misconception is that all you need to do is point it in the general direction. Buckshot shot spreads at roughly 1" per yard downrange, so at the average engagement distance of 12 ft. (not a good idea for any long arm use, I'd swiftly put it in reverse to increase the gap no matter what I was using 'cause a varmint can close the gap faster than you think) would have the shot in a cluster of only about 4" across. Shooting from the shoulder is far more accurate however that may not be optimum in a close engagement and shooting accurately from the hip takes tons of practice. Sure the sound of one being cocked gets someone's attention and that's all good, as for bringing it into action and being effective without getting hurt is another story entirely.

That's my take. I'm going to ask my buddy who owned the gun store what he thinks about pump shottys for noobs.

If a noob is aware of short stroking the firearm, with a little practice that problem can be almost eliminated.
I think #4 buckshot is best for home defense, in the car #00 buckshot.

[midnight rambler]

Ok, so I spoke with my buddy who used to own a gun store for several years until a year ago. We were not in agreement that a noob should purchase a pump shotgun. We did agree that regardless of what sort of shotgun a noob buys they must get appropriate training AND practice. I would agree with EE_'s suggestion that the Remington semi-auto TAC-13 'firearm' with the factory 13" barrel would be suitable for a noob. I see that it's a gas operated shotgun (better for noobs) there's one for sale atm on GunsAmerica -

https://www.gunsamerica.com/977734274/Remington-V3-TAC-13-Shotgun-12-Gauge-13-5-Rds-Black-83392.htm

Disclaimer: I have zero experience with the TAC-13 so I cannot vouch for its reliability. I will check around to see if anyone I know owns one. The way I generally establish reliability is fire several hundreds rounds through a gun. Firing several hundred round through it would also help her get her practice in until she's fully comfortable with it. FYI, do not expect reliability from that cheap low brass bird shot especially when new, I understand the draw toward cheap ammo for practice purposes, but cheap ammo may get you frustrated.

Amanda should watch this 39 second video to determine if this is for her. If she's interested I would suggest watching more Remington TAC-13 videos on jootube so she can come to a reasonable conclusion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cWTSrOSlEE


with a little practice that problem can be almost eliminated.

You have no idea what you're talking about. The operative words here are "little" and "almost," a lot of wiggle room there. "Little" should really be "a whole lot" and "almost" can be deadly. lol

[Jewboo]

A pump shotgun for an untrained noob is just plain stupid.



Okay Amanda. This "opinion" thread is no help at all and anyway...NJ ain't got no guns to sell no more.

Amazon's Choice
Only Thirty Bucks
NON-SLIP GRIP (CRITICAL)
Sane thug will flee
Amanda expert Chef stabber already (https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Fibrox-Chefs-Knife-8-Inch/dp/B008M5U1C2/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=slip+chef+knife&qid=1584849278&sr=8-8)

:)

[Hitch]

Amanda's a girl. There's no argument a 12 gauge shotgun is best....maybe we ought to follow creepy uncle joe's adise.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFjF9kW9Mcc

[midnight rambler]

Those straight down pistol grips on a shotgun hurt like hell. I tried one once and immediately took it off. You cannot aim with it worth a shit anyway. The bird's head type so much more comfortable.

[Tumbleweed]

I've been rethinking this deal since Amanda can't get a Ruger LCPII I think she should see if she can get an AR15 and a 50 caliber Barrett like Lisa has.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0sdVMKQReM

[Awoke]

Amen to this, especially here in lockdown CA. I wonder if any gun shops are even able to open here. Personal, I think a gun shop is an "essential service", but for I doubt CA feels the same way.
Illinois declared Gun Stores as an essential service, and they're staying open. I'm in Canada and the area I'm in, the gun shops are open and thriving.

[woodman]

Okay Amanda. This "opinion" thread is no help at all and anyway...NJ ain't got no guns to sell no more.

Amazon's Choice
Only Thirty Bucks
NON-SLIP GRIP (CRITICAL)
Sane thug will flee
Amanda expert Chef stabber already (https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Fibrox-Chefs-Knife-8-Inch/dp/B008M5U1C2/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=slip+chef+knife&qid=1584849278&sr=8-8)

:)
All this info is probably overwhelming for Amanda. Hey Girl, go out and find a simple 20 Gauge, break action (break it open to load it) shotgun. The ammo is cheap and the pawn shop probably will have it to go. It is easy to shoot and load and will not knock you on your ass. It will kill or maim an attacker no problem.

[Jewboo]

Those straight down pistol grips on a shotgun hurt like hell. I tried one once and immediately took it off. You cannot aim with it worth a shit anyway.



SEEING IS BELIEVING (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1489282654602.webm)

:D instead buy that $30 Chef Knife with the no-slip grip Amanda

[BrewTech]

Amen to this, especially here in lockdown CA. I wonder if any gun shops are even able to open here. Personal, I think a gun shop is an "essential service", but for I doubt CA feels the same way.
Ha ha... perfect post to reply to...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Kew5Gczec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Kew5Gczec)

Mayor of El Cajon's statement at the very end.

Nice!

[BrewTech]

SEEING IS BELIEVING (https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/1489282654602.webm)

:D instead buy that $30 Chef Knife with the no-slip grip Amanda

Nah, here ya go:
https://i.tackledirect.com/images/itemmainc/bubba-blade-bb1-10w-10in-whacker-knife.jpg

[mamboni]

President Declares Gun Stores Critical Infrastructure"Orange man bad....NOT!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8oDPau9jAk

[woodman]

President Declares Gun Stores Critical Infrastructure

"Orange man bad....NOT!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8oDPau9jAk
This is positive. This is a praiseworthy action by Trump.

[osoab]

This is positive. This is a praiseworthy action by Trump.

Praise for doing what should be done? Commendable yes, praise worthy no.

[BrewTech]

Praise for doing what should be done? Commendable yes, praise worthy no.


In Clown World, It just may qualify as praiseworthy.

[woodman]

Praise for doing what should be done? Commendable yes, praise worthy no.
I'm trying to be positive here bro. Back me up.

[JDRock]

do you have relatives in a gun friendly state? Or a friend with more than one? bear spray also helps close range.

[Amanda]

do you have relatives in a gun friendly state? Or a friend with more than one? bear spray also helps close range.

bear spray on a human?? like someone breaking in??

lots of relatives in CT, not helpful. I don't think I have any friends w/guns--all my friends from my old brainwashed life are still brainwashed and not helpful (in DC/MD/NoVA)


But I just found this:

Moving to N.J.? You can bring your gun, and you don’t have to tell the state

https://whyy.org/articles/moving-to-n-j-you-can-bring-your-gun-and-you-dont-have-to-tell-the-state/

So, if this insane lockdown doesn't end soon, maybe there is a way to fake move to PA for a while....(I'll have to think about this and do more research, can't really think straight right now....but it's not looking like they are going to end the lockdown soon)

[Hitch]

bear spray on a human?? like someone breaking in??

At long as you hit the attacker before they get inside, yes. I'm in a less happy gun state (CA). I keep bear spray at the ready in my camper while on the road. It's a camper, and I go camping. :) I figure it's good to have for 4 legged bears, or the 2 legged road rage types.

I had one can that expired and thought I'd try it out when nobody was around to see how it did. It launches out, at high pressure, for over 20 feet. Any asshole who could take that in the face.....

Anyway, yes it works great but I wouldn't use it inside the home. If you haven't already found a good gun your happy with, bear spray could be an good immediate purchase for defense.

[Amanda]

At long as you hit the attacker before they get inside, yes. I'm in a less happy gun state (CA). I keep bear spray at the ready in my camper while on the road. It's a camper, and I go camping. :) I figure it's good to have for 4 legged bears, or the 2 legged road rage types.

I had one can that expired and thought I'd try it out when nobody was around to see how it did. It launches out, at high pressure, for over 20 feet. Any asshole who could take that in the face.....

Anyway, yes it works great but I wouldn't use it inside the home. If you haven't already found a good gun your happy with, bear spray could be an good immediate purchase for defense.

Wow! Good to know. I'll put bear spray on the list....and it's not like I'm expecting crime right away, but I'm thinking that things are slowly going to get worse...

Thanks for the info---I learn so much from you guys!!;)

[Hitch]

Cheers, and you can actually order bear spray on amazon and have it delivered to your front door.

This is the one I have.

https://www.amazon.com/SABRE-Frontiersman-Holster-Options-Multi-Pack/dp/B002E6VAHK/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1GHNDMA1QVH1I&dchild=1&keywords=bear+spray&qid=1586131385&sprefix=bear+spray%2Caps%2C344&sr=8-2

[Amanda]

great! thanks. ordered:)

[JDRock]

it shoots about 15 yards in a about a 1' circle.

[carpathian]

You can try Pepper Blaster II Kimber Pepper Blaster - $39.99
https://www.amazon.com/Pepper-Blaster-II-LA98001-Kimber/dp/B003L75SSI/ref=sxbs_sxwds-stvp?crid=3VH2K3HZ0YSD2&cv_ct_cx=salt+gun&dchild=1&keywords=salt+gun&pd_rd_i=B003L75SSI&pd_rd_r=309d8ac9-f8ec-433c-82a6-502f063f0fa3&pd_rd_w=pSY2A&pd_rd_wg=X59FQ&pf_rd_p=967d8720-e4cf-4d5d-9da3-53f47ca634a3&pf_rd_r=PP8P9193S3PX67F32EYP&psc=1&qid=1586144977&sprefix=salt+gu%2Caps%2C230&sr=1-3-dd5817a1-1ba7-46c2-8996-f96e7b0f409c

or something bigger - $350.00-ish

https://www.saltsupply.com/

better get a real gun and practice