Welcome to the Hyperinflationary Depression

[Ares]

The title of Leo Tolstoy’s massive tome, War and Peace, which many have heard of but few have read, implies a cyclical alternation between these conditions, which never ends, no matter how great the level of technological advance, because of the nature of men, which does not change.

It is the same with the great economic cycles which alternate between boom and bust. Once a parasitic overclass gain absolute power and a society is riven with corruption, decadence, graft and nepotism then its downfall is assured and is only a matter of time – and what empowers the parasitic overclass more than anything else is a fiat money system, which enables them to award themselves unlimited funds the better to live off the backs of the labor of everyone else, and no entity on the planet provides a more graphic example of this than the US Federal Reserve.

The ending of the Gold Standard in 1971 ushered in the age of fiat as we now know it, and the profligacy that this enabled sowed the seeds of the total destruction of currency and the period of extreme crisis that is now starting; we are now going deep into the bust part of the long-term economic cycle as the 16 million or so workers who have just lost their jobs in the US in the space of 3 weeks know only too well. Whilst the dollar has remained relatively strong compared to other currencies in the world, this is only because, up until now, it has enjoyed the status of being the global reserve currency, but if you want to see what has really been going on you have to take a peek beneath the hood, which we can do by looking at the following chart showing the astounding decline in purchasing power of the dollar since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913…

https://www.clivemaund.com/charts/dollardemise.jpg

Just as a fiat money system is ultimately self-immolating, that is, it destroys itself by eventually rendering currencies worthless, so is Democracy a condition that cannot persist. Democracy is an absurd concept that is peddled to the masses to make them think that they are free. The reason that it is absurd is simple – you cannot have a system of government that is determined by a “one man, one vote” principle because it affords stupid ignorant people the same say as intelligent and discriminating people, who they of course vastly outnumber. The result is mob rule where the politician who kisses babies, and tells the masses what they want to hear and promises the Earth gets voted into power, regardless of his intrinsic capabilities. In this system, power goes to those who can tell the most outlandish lies and who can control the media to manipulate the minds of the masses, who, being sheep, need to be told what to think. This is why, in the US now, you have to be a billionaire before you can even think about running for President, because you have to be able to buy enough air time on the media, and bribe and buy off various people along the way to successfully advance your campaign. Eventually, the most powerful interests control what degenerates into a circus, and democracy steadily morphs first into an oligarchy and then finally, the switch is thrown and it becomes a dictatorship. That is the point we have arrived at now in the US with the two party sham that has already existed for years eventually becoming one in all but name, as power becomes absolute and there is no longer any need for pretense.

What makes the current economic situation so catastrophic is that the fiat system has been used to keep the normal corrective forces of deflation at bay. In a normal economic cycle, boom phases are followed by deflationary periods which correct excess and cull inefficient entities or companies, enabling them to be replaced by those that are more efficient and in keeping with the demands of the time. Politicians don’t like this, because childish voters don’t want to make sacrifices or defer gratification to make a better future – they want it all and want it know – and will take it out on any politician who tries to impose austerity on them. So, in a fiat money system, all that politicians have to do to assuage the masses is reach for the “print” button and let someone else sort out the mess later. This is what leads to the serial “can kicking” that has gone on for decades now, since Nixon ended the gold standard in 1971, but the problem is that we have come to end of the road with debt and derivatives maxed out to astronomic extremes, and the can cannot be kicked any further, but as we have seen in recent weeks with the Fed desperately printing trillions, that won’t stop them from trying. Since the corrective forces of deflation have been prevented from doing their necessary work for decades now and are still being obstructed, we now have an explosively unstable situation that leaves only one alternative, which is hyperinflation.

Actually, the financial system has been on life support since it went into “cardiac arrest” in 2008, when, instead of letting deflationary forces cull the corrupt banks and other institutions guilty of malfeasance and outright grand larceny, swindling investors with their sub-prime garbage etc, they were bailed out at public expense by their crony friends in government in a classic act of can kicking, and so the system has been kept limping along in a zombiefied state for the past 12 years by means of profligate money creation via the QE programs and Operation Twist etc. which fuelled massive asset bubbles and created the conditions for the unstoppable total meltdown we are now witnessing.

They kept the plates spinning in the air for as long as they possibly could, to enable them to put off the day of reckoning and squeeze the last dollars of profit out of it, with CEO’s and other management walking off with huge bonuses after massaging their companies’ stocks higher via buybacks, but eventually the plates starting crashing to the ground with the repo crisis last Fall, when the Fed stepped in with dollops of cash to stop the credit markets seizing up completely. However, when it became obvious that the markets were going to crash anyway, they had to line up a scapegoat, something to blame, so that when the markets finally imploded it wouldn’t be attributed to their incompetence and mismanagement – enter Covid-19.

But it went a lot further than being able to use Covid-19 as a scapegoat. Knowing the game plan, they had already mapped out how they were going to use the crisis to increase their power and control still further, and you will have noticed how they waited until enough flights had returned from China to “seed” the rest of the world with the virus before flights were banned. Thus the mainstream media, which they control, went “full Monty” with wall to wall coverage of the virus crisis, painting it as the new Black Death and scaring the sheep witless with lurid reports of people struggling to breath in ventilators and coffins being piled high etc. The result of this media blitzkrieg was a public cowering in terror who actually welcomed being placed under “shelter in place” orders – in other words placed under house arrest – in many places now you can’t even go for a walk on a deserted beach without wearing a mask. The craven gullibility and stupidity of the masses means that they actually deserve what is being done to them – and what is coming down the pike which is a whole lot worse, for the fact is that this virus epidemic has been blown out of all proportion by the “feudal overlords” who now control our world, in order for them to pursue their objective of absolute power and control. Most of those who are killed by this virus are old with pre-existing conditions that would have killed them anyway, and even if you include them in the tally, and you have say 10,000 killed in New York which is among the worst places, that is still a low number in relation to the total population. DO THE MATH – if there are, say, 10 million people in greater NYC, a modest estimate, then 10,000 dead is just 0.1% of the population, and while obviously a tragedy for the individuals involved and their families, it’s hardly on a scale with the Black Death which killed one in three – is this worth wrecking the economy and throwing many millions out of work by effectively shutting down the economy? – no, of course not. For the economic privation, destitution and stress caused by shutting down the economy and confining people indoors will obviously end up killing far more than the virus. By exercising sensible and proportionate precautions like wearing a mask, washing your hands with disinfectant soap frequently and not touching things you don’t have to, you should be free to go about your everyday business as usual – probably some more people will die, but less than those who will die if the economy is frozen, and at least people will be able to live relatively normal lives in the meantime.

We must therefore presume that there is an agenda behind this economic freeze and social lockdown, and you don’t have to look far to find it. In the US this shutdown is destroying thousands of small businesses, which is precisely what it is meant to achieve – the big corporations will of course be bailed out by the Fed. The objective is to force as many small businesses as possible to close and their owners and their employees either to work for the large corporations, or to go cap in hand to the banks or some government agency for a loan, which if granted will be at usurious rates of interest, of course, compared to what the favored big corporations pay. By this means the State gains more power over people – a vulnerable employee has much less political power and say than an independent business owner and is thus more readily controlled – and exploited. But it goes even further than that. This lockdown amounts to martial law, especially in the US, where the police have pretty much the same kit as the army. Some years back the police were militarized across the US in anticipation of just the sort of situation that we have now and the amazing thing is that martial law didn’t even have to be imposed – the sheep were begging for it, having been scared out of their wits by endless lurid TV coverage of the virus pandemic.

Our ancestors would be ashamed of what many modern citizens have become – apathetic, careless, cowardly, gormless, insouciant, lazy, malleable, selfish, self-indulgent, spineless, weak, unprincipled, vapid products of the media. Do you think our ancestors would have allowed the government to imprison them in their homes because of a disease that kills 1 in a thousand people? – NO WAY!! - they would have been out with their pitchforks and driven them off. Through years of comfortable safe living, many people have degenerated into wimps or what the Australians call wusses, and people like that deserve what’s coming to them. In many ways most people have become like hydroponic plants, grown in a medium in a vast glasshouse, and nourished by an artificial dripfeed. The majority of people eat adulterated food, laced with additives and often with genetically modified ingredients, live in box type housing devoid of individuality, are disconnected from nature and natural cycles and rhythms, are addicted to social media and stay up late staring at bright screens, and they have their thoughts subtly and not so subtly manipulated and controlled. The reason for mentioning this is because we are heading towards a neo-feudal society, where a narrow elite who may be termed “feudal overlords” control and “farm” the masses, directing their lives absolutely. It is a matrix which is fast closing in and already arriving at the total lockdown stage, and in some ways it will be much more severe and intrusive than at any time in history, because, thanks to modern technological advances, your location will always be known, relayed from your cellphone or your vehicle, with your cellphone requiring to be with you at all times to undertake transactions in a cashless society, your conversations will be monitored, again on your cellphone and in your vehicle or from domestic devices, and in addition to monitoring your conversations and reporting your location, your car will observe you and report any infringement of the law, however minor, which insurance companies will use against you, and lastly and for good measure, the brainwashed neighbors will probably snitch on you.

By allowing themselves to be subject to house arrest and rigid controls on their movements due to this virus scare, the masses have set a dangerous precedent. The power of self-determination so easily given up is going to be very hard to get back, and those in power are certainly going to be emboldened by what they have just achieved so easily. Many people mistakenly think that things will return to normal when this viral pandemic quietens down. This is doubtful – they are probably going to “cycle” this virus thing, so that it has successive waves, necessitating more lockdowns and restrictions of movements and freedoms, or there will be new variants of the virus or even new viruses to keep the game going. The airlines and the travel industry, which have been all but destroyed by this economic freeze and lockdown, will only make a comeback henceforth courtesy of bank and government loans, so their freedom as independent entities will be lost. Mass travel could be a thing of the past, and in order to travel you may be required to produce evidence of vaccination. We can look forward to compulsory mass vaccination and chipping of individuals, which will net billions for the likes of eugenicist Bill Gates who is working towards this, and home schooling will be banned, since the State will not want children growing up who can think for themselves. A cashless society will be implemented so that they know all your transactions and your locations at all times, and if you misbehave you will be economically shut out, as is already happening in China where citizens are treated like children, with a points system. The State will probably demand the surrender of privately held gold, as in 1933, on some pretext, perhaps saying simply that owners of gold are anti-social hoarders. A development that could shock the owners of gold stored in privately managed vaults is that governments may decide that they will simply appropriate them on spurious grounds, such as “in the interests of national security”. As we have just seen with the Fed, when it decided to buy and prop up the junk bond market, which is beyond its remit and technically illegal, those who have the power are going to do just what they like – they are above the law. Woe betide any member of Congress or Supreme court judge who tries to stand in their way.

Many survivalists are of the view that society will collapse leading to a “dog eat dog” Mad Max world quite soon, and without Central Bank intervention now it probably would. However, this does not look likely in the immediate future because if the masses destroy the districts where they live and their infrastructure, as they were doing in Chile last Fall, they will become less productive and less able to serve their Masters. It thus looks likely that the Overlords will grant them sufficient to survive as productive slaves – this was the reason for the miserly $1200 handout to furloughed workers in the US. But it could be that with a combination of the fiscal abuse now going nuclear, leading to money creation accelerating in a terminal parabolic spike, coupled with a severe decline in economic productivity, they completely lose control of the system which disappears into the fires of a hyperinflationary depression, involving a period of chaos and widespread destitution, as in Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, which is the natural and inevitable end of a fiat money system, forcing a reset and a society rebuilt on sound monetary principles, which of course would ultimately be very good and lead to a sound new beginning.

So you see that we are now going full circle. The economic boom and prosperity that followed the end of the 2nd World War lead at its peak to a generation of young people in the 1960’s especially who by and large didn’t have to work, or work much, because they were able to live on the fruits of the labor of previous generations, and indulge themselves by being hippies and travelling the world etc., experimenting with different lifestyles that were largely characterized by a lack of productive endeavor. Many of them eventually wised up and became successful businessmen in the 1980’s. However, debt continued to expand, especially after the end of the Gold Standard in 1971, and the government’s power continued to grow as it drained more and more wealth from the citizenry. Naturally, mere financial power was not enough for them and thus we had the events of 11th September 2001, which were a spectacular power play and a massively successful major milestone on the road to tyranny, as it enabled them to table and ram through their pre-written Patriot Acts, which override parts of the Constitution and also go after geo-political objectives in the Mid-East, and to make sure that the public got the message about just how powerful they had become, they made air travellers’ lives a misery with draconian and often humiliating screening procedures that wasted millions of hours of their time. This was the turning point at which the freedoms of post-war society in the Western world started to disappear.

Now we are arriving at the final denouement where the system implodes in upon itself, crushed by impossible debts which will eventually have to written off as the system resets. The most vulnerable class of investors now are those holding vast quantities of intrinsically worthless government paper, like US Treasuries, which will end up being worthless.

The part of the cycle that we are now in, namely collapse into depression, which Central Banks, who can’t countenance deflation, are determined will take the form of a hyperinflationary depression, will, if history is any guide, lead to the emergence of fascist dictators – strongmen who are able to relate to and harness the anger and frustration of the masses. This in turn is likely to lead to wars or a major war as the masses discontent is conveniently focused on external enemies. This may be a reason why Ground Zero for the Covid-19 virus was China, and why Donald Trump refers to it as the Chinese virus, so that it will later be possible to use this to generate anti-Chinese sentiment in any potential conflict with China.

The Fed’s latest actions demonstrate that there is no way that they are going to let the forces of deflation prevail, however many trillions they have to spirit into existence to throw at markets in an effort to prop them up, which is kind of understandable given the appalling severity of the prolonged depression that would follow. They are clearly electing the hyperinflationary route as the lesser evil because it keeps them in power for longer, although hyperinflation won’t hit until the velocity of money picks up – currently it is zero because of the economic freeze. That has to be positive for gold, which is the ultimate store of value and for its currently grossly undervalued sister metal silver.

http://news.goldseek.com/CliveMaund/1586790671.php

[madfranks]

It won't be hyperinflation unless the Fed stops loaning their new funny money at interest. A debt based currency doesn't hyperinflate the way non-debt based fiat currencies do. If the Treasury printed new greenbacks and the government spent them into circulation, and those money printing presses continued to issue new money, that's how hyperinflation could come about. Now, that is not to say we're not going to be in for a big dose of inflation, I think we will, but it won't be hyperinflation.

[Ares]

It won't be hyperinflation unless the Fed stops loaning their new funny money at interest. A debt based currency doesn't hyperinflate the way non-debt based fiat currencies do. If the Treasury printed new greenbacks and the government spent them into circulation, and those money printing presses continued to issue new money, that's how hyperinflation could come about. Now, that is not to say we're not going to be in for a big dose of inflation, I think we will, but it won't be hyperinflation.

I think its possible, but only if you start seeing velocity pick up. Right now its basically zero with little to no movement due to the economy being shut down. The hyperinflation will come in, I think anyway when the rest of the world losses trust in the dollar which has been going on for a while now with bilateral trade negotiations taking place outside of the dollar. (Russia / China etc.).

All the years of exporting our inflation will come home once the rest of the world losses trust in the dollar and abandons its use. Then we have immediate hyperinflation as everything in the world of assets is valued in dollars. You'll see milk that was once priced at 3-4 dollars a gallon be priced at 300-400 dollars a gallon while gold / silver, possibly even crypto being able to purchase it at the nominal value.

[madfranks]

I think its possible, but only if you start seeing velocity pick up. Right now its basically zero with little to no movement due to the economy being shut down. The hyperinflation will come in, I think anyway when the rest of the world losses trust in the dollar which has been going on for a while now with bilateral trade negotiations taking place outside of the dollar. (Russia / China etc.).

All the years of exporting our inflation will come home once the rest of the world losses trust in the dollar and abandons its use. Then we have immediate hyperinflation as everything in the world of assets is valued in dollars. You'll see milk that was once priced at 3-4 dollars a gallon be priced at 300-400 dollars a gallon while gold / silver, possibly even crypto being able to purchase it at the nominal value.

Regarding the velocity of money as a factor in new money creation, that's why debt-based fiat typically doesn't hyperinflate, because for every new dollar issued, someone has to borrow it. Who's going to borrow hundreds of trillions of dollars or more to truly "hyper" inflate the dollar? Not even the federal government would need to borrow that much. Regarding the velocity of money as a factor in existing money, you have a point, and if/when the international order changes and the dollar is toast, then as all of those existing dollars flock home, if our money supply doubles, triples, or more, we'll see rises in prices accordingly. I don't think this will mean $300-400 milk though, I think it's far more likely we'll see permanent price rises of 2-4x across the board. That'll hit many Americans very, very hard.

[Tumbleweed]

I just got a notice from my bank that they're raising my interest rate.

[Ares]

Regarding the velocity of money as a factor in new money creation, that's why debt-based fiat typically doesn't hyperinflate, because for every new dollar issued, someone has to borrow it. Who's going to borrow hundreds of trillions of dollars or more to truly "hyper" inflate the dollar? Not even the federal government would need to borrow that much. Regarding the velocity of money as a factor in existing money, you have a point, and if/when the international order changes and the dollar is toast, then as all of those existing dollars flock home, if our money supply doubles, triples, or more, we'll see rises in prices accordingly. I don't think this will mean $300-400 milk though, I think it's far more likely we'll see permanent price rises of 2-4x across the board. That'll hit many Americans very, very hard.

Keep an eye on Saudi Arabia, when and if they ditch the dollar that's checkmate for the dollar. I could potentially see prices going parabolic overnight because you'll literally have a world full of dollars that no one outside of the U.S. will want or need any longer.

[Ares]

I just got a notice from my bank that they're raising my interest rate.

You mean giving you interest on your savings? Banks still do that? :) lol

[Tumbleweed]

You mean giving you interest on your savings? Banks still do that? :) lol

No not on savings but on the money I borrow from them. SOB's

[monty]

No not on savings but on the money I borrow from them. SOB's

In these times it might be a good idea to revisit the writings of Las Vegas CPA Thomas D. Schauf

Some of these might be duplicates

https://ia801207.us.archive.org/9/items/TopSecretBankersManualByThomasSchauf/Top-Secret-Bankers-Manual-by-Thomas-Schauf-Copyright-2002.pdf

This link is a better copy https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/tomschauf-topsecretbankersmanual2003_ocr_v-1.pdf (http://<span style=&quot;font-family: Helvetica&quot;>https://apollosolaris.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/tomschauf-topsecretbankersmanual2003_ocr_v-1.pdf</span>)


http://rodscontracts.com/docs/TomSchauf/001AmericasHopeHowToCancelBankLoans.pdf


http://rodscontracts.com/docs/TomSchauf/002AmericanVotersVsBankers.pdf


https://freedom-school.com/money/the-borrower-should-repay-the-lender.pdf

[Jewboo]

I just got a notice from my bank that they're raising my interest rate.



Fuck those kikes. Sell off what you must and enjoy the cake now (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iDVv_nsyYEk/TjgDpWwvRBI/AAAAAAAACc8/63uPmWNvuHs/s1600/Cowboy%2BRetirement%2BCake%2B2.jpg) before (((they))) kill you. (((They))) already destroyed your next year's beef market... (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?102197-quot-Vice-President-quot-of-union-that-controls-our-meat-processing-factories&p=965224&viewfull=1#post965224)

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[woodman]

I just got a notice from my bank that they're raising my interest rate.
Just tell them you are lowering your interest rate; that would be the rate of interest you have in borrowing money from them.

[woodman]

The fact that they have killed off the economy, leads me to believe that one of their reasons was to head off inflation. If people aren't working, they will not have any money to throw around, thus the velocity of money slows to a crawl. If loans are made to the rich, the money still does not reach those who would spend it into a market, unless that market is high priced art, mansions, boats and other luxuries that the common man would not spend toward anyway. If people are kept in a state of artificial poverty, I do not see how hyperinflation is possible. I admit that I am not versed in financial matters so if anyone can discuss this, it would help me to understand the dynamics behind these phenomena.

I can see how deflation comes about; when money is scarce it becomes the dominant partner in a ratio of expansion, contraction between money and goods. When money is plentiful, the opposite is true. So in an economy where money is flowing faster into people's hands than goods are produced or available, inflation is a given I suppose. What about the relationship between debt issuance and destruction? As was stated above, ours is a debt based money. This means that loans are repaid and the money destroyed as it is repaid. Of course this means that deflation is baked into the cake; but what about the interest? As many writers have stated, the interest is never created and this leads to an unavoidable cycle of boom and bust; since the borrowers are out in the market chasing funds that do not exist, they cannot come up with enough money to service their loans payments. It is a mathematical certainty that a bust will come after monetary creation has gone through it's boom cycle and lives will be destroyed; not the least through warfare that inevitably ensues as the bankers and politicians point their fingers at enemies that do not exist but are created just for the purpose of being a 'whipping boy'.

What an unbelievably cruel and sadistic system! The only reason it can possibly exist is due to the failure of people to understand these basic facts that I just mentioned.

But what about the interest? If we look at it carefully, are we so certain that the interest is not created? I don't mean in dollars loaned into the economy. We must think in terms of 'what' is money. I think; medium of exchange; facilitator of barter; a system of accounting. I'm sure a whole doctorate could be written on the definition of money but the basic fact is that it is something that can be added or subtracted to a system, just as a layer of fat to a mammal's body to insure future survival. So if we widen our gaze, we see that the interest may be something entirely different than dollars created and could be in many forms; but the essense of what I'm getting at here is that we are uninformed of this 'true' interest and if we are entering into a contract without being properly informed of it's legal, ethical and actual unavoidable consequences, then the contract is null and void. A contract without specificity cannot be an arms length transaction.

OK, so let me scratch my nuts here and take a swig of swill. Trying to form my thoughts gets a little dicey at times.

[woodman]

When I think about interest, the term 'creative destruction' comes to mind. From Wikipedia: According to Schumpeter, the "gale of creative destruction" describes the "process of industrial mutation that incessantly revolutionizes the economic structure from within, incessantly destroying the old one, incessantly creating a new one".[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction#cite_note-Schumpeter1942_2-2) In Marxian economic theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxian_economic_theory) the concept refers more broadly to the linked processes of the accumulation and annihilation of wealth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth) under capitalism.

So what Schumpeter is describing is a form of evolution. Evolution of both economy (including industrial process and types of goods produced and desired) and society; the former dictating the latter.

Wikipedia continues: Quote: The German sociologist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociologist) Werner Sombart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Sombart) has been credited[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction#cite_note-reinert-1) with the first use of these terms in his work Krieg und Kapitalismus (War and Capitalism, 1913).[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_destruction#cite_note-Krieg_Kapitalismus-6) In the earlier work of Marx, however, the idea of creative destruction or annihilation (German: Vernichtung) implies not only that capitalism destroys and reconfigures previous economic orders, but also that it must ceaselessly devalue existing wealth (whether through war, dereliction, or regular and periodic economic crises) in order to clear the ground for the creation of new wealth." End quote

OK, now we are getting into the meat of the matter. This is actually some heavy shit. What is being claimed and it seems quite validly is that a ceaseless devalueization of wealth is part of the equation in order to clear the way for new wealth. This takes place through warfare and destruction of lives whether by economic or means of war. So now I begin to see just what the bankers are creating as interest when the loans are made. They know that the only way to make the system work and work marvelously (for them) is to ensure a constant supply of interest and this in the end is BLOOD MONEY! The blood of your sons and daughters, of your unborn grandchildren; this is what is being pledged as interest when a loan is created. For every dollar in existence a terrible debt is pledged, not by the poor idiots who take out the loan; they are totally ignorant of the true equation. The bankers pledge the blood of your progeny; the very existence of your family and way of life is being pledged unknown to you.

So every time you hold one of those dollars in your hand; every time you write a check; every time you look your grandkids in the eye, you think about that. Think about how their blood is being promised as 'interest' on the debt; because that is exactly what is being promised and taken. Time to think about the future, people!

I'm fucking pissed! I've spent my whole life thinking about other shit, because this didn't interest me. Well, I've had some time to dwell on it and it ain't good.

[Jewboo]

The blood of your sons and daughters, of your unborn grandchildren; this is what is being pledged as interest when a loan is created. For every dollar in existence a terrible debt is pledged, not by the poor idiots who take out the loan; they are totally ignorant of the true equation. The bankers pledge the blood of your progeny; the very existence of your family and way of life is being pledged unknown to you.

So every time you hold one of those dollars in your hand; every time you write a check; every time you look your grandkids in the eye, you think about that. Think about how their blood is being promised as 'interest' on the debt; because that is exactly what is being promised and taken. Time to think about the future, people!

I'm fucking pissed! I've spent my whole life thinking about other shit, because this didn't interest me. Well, I've had some time to dwell on it and it ain't good.



Take another swig of your swill and ponder this: I'm childless so can afford emotionally to indulge in my WATCH CLOWN WORLD BURN WHILE MUNCHING POPCORN avatar. I now want to buy some canned chicken to go with my canned salmon and I have a free "$1200 Stimulus" direct-deposit from your taxpayer kids (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/1200-relief-checks-have-begun-arriving-bank-accounts-people-are-mostly-spending-it-food/)....................but today nobody...Amazon...Wal-Mart...my local Albertson's supermarket... NOBODY has any canned chicken for sale. NOT ONE SINGLE CAN!

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[woodman]

Take another swig of your swill and ponder this: I'm childless so can afford emotionally to indulge in my WATCH CLOWN WORLD BURN WHILE MUNCHING POPCORN avatar. I now want to buy some canned chicken to go with my canned salmon and I have a free "$1200 Stimulus" direct-deposit from your taxpayer kids (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/1200-relief-checks-have-begun-arriving-bank-accounts-people-are-mostly-spending-it-food/)....................but today nobody...Amazon...Wal-Mart...my local Albertson's supermarket... NOBODY has any canned chicken for sale. NOT ONE SINGLE CAN!

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I could go on for hours about this creative destruction. The more I read, the more clear it all becomes. I have never put much thought into many things that I should have. I do have more time now that I am retired. I am not busy chasing my tail trying to make a living. Your lack of buying oportunities is due to creative destruction. It is going on all around us. We truly are living in the Matrix. This system was well though out and it is bringing us to a destination. One where we don't want to be. Perhaps I will elaborate my thoughts further but not today. I am tired. But I would love to discuss the chicken situation.

Do you have any Amish nearby? I guarantee they have canned chicken. They will be happy to sell to you as long as you are paying with cash. Amish don't do credit; at least not around here. When I was running my business I would always joke about us being the 'New' Amish because we all worked like hell and lived rural but we drank and cursed and could be a rowdy bunch. In my basement I have many jars of canned chicken. I cull the roosters out when they get full grown and they are just as tasty as can be. They look so inviting sitting up there on the shelves in their little glass bottles and man are they delicious!

[Jewboo]

Perhaps I will elaborate my thoughts further but not today. I am tired.



Please do. I regularly agree with and Thank your posts here. You have always been a lucid deep thinker.

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[woodman]

Please do. I regularly agree with and Thank your posts here. You have always been a lucid deep thinker.

--H H--
This site is full of remarkable personalities. I often want to thank every post I read and I find myself fighting to keep my thanks to a minimum because I don't want to lessen the power of the thank you button. But seriously, there is so much excellent content on GSUS that most posts could actually deserve a thanks. I guess it is analogous to hyperinflation; if too many thank you's are circulating, it will lessen the 'purchasing power' of each individual thank you. So if any one here notices that I did not thank any particular post that was specially deserving, please understand; My mouse hovered and I fought the urge so that our thank you's may remain particularly potent.

All kidding aside, I am somewhat serious. Perhaps we could arrange a color code for thanking that would denote the relative strength of the thank you. Again, just kidding. Feel free to thank me profusely however.

[mamboni]

It won't be hyperinflation unless the Fed stops loaning their new funny money at interest. A debt based currency doesn't hyperinflate the way non-debt based fiat currencies do. If the Treasury printed new greenbacks and the government spent them into circulation, and those money printing presses continued to issue new money, that's how hyperinflation could come about. Now, that is not to say we're not going to be in for a big dose of inflation, I think we will, but it won't be hyperinflation.The FED cannot stop now as it is well past the "just the tip" moment. The FED is buying everything paper: corporate debt, mortgage backed securities, muni bonds, ETFs, junk bonds and of course Treasuries. Trump has merged the FED with the US Treasury. This is only possible if the FED charter has been suspended. It follows that Trump has de facto nationalized the FED. He will order the FED to buy literally everything paper; it does not matter that the FED is technically insolvent holding negative $trillions in equity if marked to market.

I think I know the end game.

[midnight rambler]

NOBODY has any canned chicken for sale. NOT ONE SINGLE CAN!

Last time I was in Sam's Club they had some, limit one package of four cans. Nothing prevents anyone from closing out a transaction, leaving the store, then coming back into make another single purchase multiple times, I've done that with that and other items.

[EE_]

Take another swig of your swill and ponder this: I'm childless so can afford emotionally to indulge in my WATCH CLOWN WORLD BURN WHILE MUNCHING POPCORN avatar. I now want to buy some canned chicken to go with my canned salmon and I have a free "$1200 Stimulus" direct-deposit from your taxpayer kids (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/1200-relief-checks-have-begun-arriving-bank-accounts-people-are-mostly-spending-it-food/)....................but today nobody...Amazon...Wal-Mart...my local Albertson's supermarket... NOBODY has any canned chicken for sale. NOT ONE SINGLE CAN!

:(??

See now, I have a problem with you saying this "I'm childless so can afford emotionally to indulge in my WATCH CLOWN WORLD BURN WHILE MUNCHING POPCORN avatar"

Munching popcorn is a metaphor for when you're enjoying the show. It's very telling how you feel about our country, you are enjoying watching us crash.
I don't enjoy seeing my country harmed in any way, or what they're doing to president Trump.

[Jewboo]

I don't enjoy seeing my country harmed in any way, or what they're doing to president Trump.



What about what your hero Trumpstein has been doing to our country? (https://www.cufi.org/trump-spending-cuts-leave-military-aid-to-israel-untouched/)

:rolleyes:

[Ares]

The FED cannot stop now as it is well past the "just the tip" moment. The FED is buying everything paper: corporate debt, mortgage backed securities, muni bonds, ETFs, junk bonds and of course Treasuries. Trump has merged the FED with the US Treasury. This is only possible if the FED charter has been suspended. It follows that Trump has de facto nationalized the FED. He will order the FED to buy literally everything paper; it does not matter that the FED is technically insolvent holding negative $trillions in equity if marked to market.

I think I know the end game.

Go ahead, explain what you think the end game is. I'm curious. :)

[midnight rambler]

What about what your hero Trumpstein has been doing to our country? (https://www.cufi.org/trump-spending-cuts-leave-military-aid-to-israel-untouched/)

:rolleyes:


3.3 BILLION would go a long way in solving our OWN problems.

[EE_]

What about what your hero Trumpstein has been doing to our country? (https://www.cufi.org/trump-spending-cuts-leave-military-aid-to-israel-untouched/)

:rolleyes:

How long you been around here? I thought we all knew Israel controls it all? Trump hasn't reached hero status yet, maybe in the next 4 1/2 years if things go right.
So far he's done a lot to undo all the faggot Obama damage.

My 3 favorite things are, the wall (still being built), appointing over 200 conservative judges and two Supreme Court justice's, Making all the deadbeat countries, NATO and the EU pay what they owe and give back what they have been screwing us out of. Also, love what he's done for our military/Veterans, for religious freedom and 2nd Amendment rights
I'm happy he told the Paris Climate Accord to stick it up their ass...and NAFTA too! I think it's good to be energy independent, don't you?

A better question would have been " What have your hero Democrats been doing to our country?"

[mamboni]

Go ahead, explain what you think the end game is. I'm curious. :)I'll do it for a can of chicken!

[Ares]

I'll do it for a can of chicken!

I have toilet paper. Will that work? :D

[mamboni]

I have toilet paper. Will that work? :DNo deal. I'm embaressed to admit that I did inventory and I own 192 rolls of single ply toilet paper. Over the last few years, I'd habitually pick up a pack of toilet paper when grocery shopping and throw it in a closet and forget about it. Now I find myself a toilet paper millionaire. Ponce smiles from the hereafter.

[BrewTech]

I just got a notice from my bank that they're raising my interest rate.


On your daylight savings account? Great news!

:)

[Ares]

No deal. I'm embaressed to admit that I did inventory and I own 192 rolls of single ply toilet paper. Over the last few years, I'd habitually pick up a pack of toilet paper when grocery shopping and throw it in a closet and forget about it. Now I find myself a toilet paper millionaire. Ponce smiles from the hereafter.

Yeah same here. I have a small stash of 300+ rolls in the crawl space that I had gathered through the years among other essentials. :)

[BrewTech]

The fact that they have killed off the economy, leads me to believe that one of their reasons was to head off inflation. If people aren't working, they will not have any money to throw around, thus the velocity of money slows to a crawl. If loans are made to the rich, the money still does not reach those who would spend it into a market, unless that market is high priced art, mansions, boats and other luxuries that the common man would not spend toward anyway. If people are kept in a state of artificial poverty, I do not see how hyperinflation is possible. I admit that I am not versed in financial matters so if anyone can discuss this, it would help me to understand the dynamics behind these phenomena.

I can see how deflation comes about; when money is scarce it becomes the dominant partner in a ratio of expansion, contraction between money and goods. When money is plentiful, the opposite is true. So in an economy where money is flowing faster into people's hands than goods are produced or available, inflation is a given I suppose. What about the relationship between debt issuance and destruction? As was stated above, ours is a debt based money. This means that loans are repaid and the money destroyed as it is repaid. Of course this means that deflation is baked into the cake; but what about the interest? As many writers have stated, the interest is never created and this leads to an unavoidable cycle of boom and bust; since the borrowers are out in the market chasing funds that do not exist, they cannot come up with enough money to service their loans payments. It is a mathematical certainty that a bust will come after monetary creation has gone through it's boom cycle and lives will be destroyed; not the least through warfare that inevitably ensues as the bankers and politicians point their fingers at enemies that do not exist but are created just for the purpose of being a 'whipping boy'.

What an unbelievably cruel and sadistic system! The only reason it can possibly exist is due to the failure of people to understand these basic facts that I just mentioned.

But what about the interest? If we look at it carefully, are we so certain that the interest is not created? I don't mean in dollars loaned into the economy. We must think in terms of 'what' is money. I think; medium of exchange; facilitator of barter; a system of accounting. I'm sure a whole doctorate could be written on the definition of money but the basic fact is that it is something that can be added or subtracted to a system, just as a layer of fat to a mammal's body to insure future survival. So if we widen our gaze, we see that the interest may be something entirely different than dollars created and could be in many forms; but the essense of what I'm getting at here is that we are uninformed of this 'true' interest and if we are entering into a contract without being properly informed of it's legal, ethical and actual unavoidable consequences, then the contract is null and void. A contract without specificity cannot be an arms length transaction.

OK, so let me scratch my nuts here and take a swig of swill. Trying to form my thoughts gets a little dicey at times.

I dunno, you don't seem very "not versed in financial matters" to me.

[BrewTech]

This site is full of remarkable personalities. I often want to thank every post I read and I find myself fighting to keep my thanks to a minimum because I don't want to lessen the power of the thank you button. But seriously, there is so much excellent content on GSUS that most posts could actually deserve a thanks. I guess it is analogous to hyperinflation; if too many thank you's are circulating, it will lessen the 'purchasing power' of each individual thank you. So if any one here notices that I did not thank any particular post that was specially deserving, please understand; My mouse hovered and I fought the urge so that our thank you's may remain particularly potent.

All kidding aside, I am somewhat serious. Perhaps we could arrange a color code for thanking that would denote the relative strength of the thank you. Again, just kidding. Feel free to thank me profusely however.

Consider this, and the vast majority of your posts thanked by me.

[Neuro]

The FED cannot stop now as it is well past the "just the tip" moment. The FED is buying everything paper: corporate debt, mortgage backed securities, muni bonds, ETFs, junk bonds and of course Treasuries. Trump has merged the FED with the US Treasury. This is only possible if the FED charter has been suspended. It follows that Trump has de facto nationalized the FED. He will order the FED to buy literally everything paper; it does not matter that the FED is technically insolvent holding negative $trillions in equity if marked to market.

I think I know the end game.
You really think Trump wrested control of Fed out of the hands of Rothschild et al?

[mamboni]

You really think Trump wrested control of Fed out of the hands of Rothschild et al?Yes. Trump is running the show. He has seized the Federal Reserve Bank assets and has turned it into a bad assets bank. Trump is deliberately destroying the dollar in order to destroy the money changers. The Rothschilds and the other of the six families are being taken down now. The Fed will buy and own all paper assets. Simultaneously, the world is being flooded with dollars. Internationally there is a dollar shortage because the entire world is liquidating dollar-denomated assets. Once the process is done and the lockdown ended, we will see a flood of dollars like never seen before. Everything tangible will hyperinflate in price, especially food. When people cannot feed themselves, no government can contain them and prevent revolution. Trump will cancel the entire Fed balance sheet of paper assets. At this point, the dollar will be hyperinflating and gold will be approaching $50,000 and silver $1000. You read that here first. The dollar will be then reset overnight. All federal reserve notes will be converted to the new constitutional dollar at 1000 FRN into 1 dollar. Gold will back the new constitutional dollar and the gold price reset to $50. Silver will be reset to $1 constitutional dollar. The gold eagle with it's legal tender $50 face value and the silver eagle with its $1 legal tender face value will be coin of the realm. As part of this bankruptcy reorganization, the asset holders will receive a distribution. A check for $1000 constitutional dollars will be sent to every social security account holder. Remember, the federal reserve note is legally a claim on the assets held by the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. That corporation is now defunct and it's assets will be distributed to the people.

What will follow is the bankruptcy of the corporate United States government. The congress and senate will be dismissed from office. Many will go to prison for high crimes and misdemeanors. A constitutional congress will be formed to reform a new government based on the US Constitution. Amendments will be made to the Constitution to insure that the abuses that took place since 1913 can never happen again. To those who think this pure fantasy, remember that FDR declared national bankruptcy in 1933 and put the nation into receivership. The people's gold was seized at the behest of the the receiver of the bankruptcy, the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. The gold was collateral to back issuance of federal reserve notes. Also, FDR cancelled the gold clause, killing the gold-backed dollar completely. Gold backed the federal reserve note for the benifit of the corporation, not the people; because after 1933 the federal reserve note was not convertible to gold (except by foreign governments) and it became illegal for American citizens to own gold.

Trump was drafted by the 600 fired generals of MAGA because he was the perfect man for the job. He was independently wealthy and could not be bought. He was vetted to insure that he was not blackmailable. And he was an expert in bankruptcy reorganization. That was the plan all along, to bankrupt and dissolve the corporate United States government and establish a constitutional republic. Trump will go down in the history books as the second Washington. He will be handed the wealth and power of the nation and he will give it back to the people, just as Washington did when offered to be literal king by the then constitutional congress. That is why Washington is the father of our country!

[Neuro]

Here is Trumps personal bankruptcy reorganization expert...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Ross

He was in charge of Trumps bankruptcy reorganization in 1990 while working at Rothschild international. Without them you would probably not even remember Donald J Trump. I’m sure Trump knows who butters his bread.

If Trump is dismantling their federal reserve system its because they want him to do so. Don’t expect any advantages for the general population...

[mamboni]

Here is Trumps personal bankruptcy reorganization expert...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Ross

He was in charge of Trumps bankruptcy reorganization in 1990 while working at Rothschild international. Without them you would probably not even remember Donald J Trump. I’m sure Trump knows who butters his bread.

If Trump is dismantling their federal reserve system its because they want him to do so. Don’t expect any advantages for the general population...Oh yee of little faith....

[osoab]

Yes. Trump is running the show. He has seized the Federal Reserve Bank assets and has turned it into a bad assets bank. Trump is deliberately destroying the dollar in order to destroy the money changers. The Rothschilds and the other of the six families are being taken down now. The Fed will buy and own all paper assets. Simultaneously, the world is being flooded with dollars. Internationally there is a dollar shortage because the entire world is liquidating dollar-denomated assets. Once the process is done and the lockdown ended, we will see a flood of dollars like never seen before. Everything tangible will hyperinflate in price, especially food. When people cannot feed themselves, no government can contain them and prevent revolution. Trump will cancel the entire Fed balance sheet of paper assets. At this point, the dollar will be hyperinflating and gold will be approaching $50,000 and silver $1000. You read that here first. The dollar will be then reset overnight. All federal reserve notes will be converted to the new constitutional dollar at 1000 FRN into 1 dollar. Gold will back the new constitutional dollar and the gold price reset to $50. Silver will be reset to $1 constitutional dollar. The gold eagle with it's legal tender $50 face value and the silver eagle with its $1 legal tender face value will be coin of the realm. As part of this bankruptcy reorganization, the asset holders will receive a distribution. A check for $1000 constitutional dollars will be sent to every social security account holder. Remember, the federal reserve note is legally a claim on the assets held by the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. That corporation is now defunct and it's assets will be distributed to the people.

What will follow is the bankruptcy of the corporate United States government. The congress and senate will be dismissed from office. Many will go to prison for high crimes and misdemeanors. A constitutional congress will be formed to reform a new government based on the US Constitution. Amendments will be made to the Constitution to insure that the abuses that took place since 1913 can never happen again. To those who think this pure fantasy, remember that FDR declared national bankruptcy in 1933 and put the nation into receivership. The people's gold was seized at the behest of the the receiver of the bankruptcy, the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. The gold was collateral to back issuance of federal reserve notes. Also, FDR cancelled the gold clause, killing the gold-backed dollar completely. Gold backed the federal reserve note for the benifit of the corporation, not the people; because after 1933 the federal reserve note was not convertible to gold (except by foreign governments) and it became illegal for American citizens to own gold.

Trump was drafted by the 600 fired generals of MAGA because he was the perfect man for the job. He was independently wealthy and could not be bought. He was vetted to insure that he was not blackmailable. And he was an expert in bankruptcy reorganization. That was the plan all along, to bankrupt and dissolve the corporate United States government and establish a constitutional republic. Trump will go down in the history books as the second Washington. He will be handed the wealth and power of the nation and he will give it back to the people, just as Washington did when offered to be literal king by the then constitutional congress. That is why Washington is the father of our country!

I do like the fantasy but could this be the otherway around?

I see Trumpstein taking the direction of his (((advisors))). The U.S.ofA. is now in default and this is the lead up to the "day of reckoning". The FED purchases of everything/loaning to everyone is the initial step to get a (((FED/.gov))) handhold into anything and everything? This screams of a move to central planning by our (((FED/.gov))) overlords.

Trumpstein is the perfect patsy if he stays on script.

(((Trust the plan)))

[Ares]

I do like the fantasy but could this be the otherway around?

I see Trumpstein taking the direction of his (((advisors))). The U.S.ofA. is now in default and this is the lead up to the "day of reckoning". The FED purchases of everything/loaning to everyone is the initial step to get a (((FED/.gov))) handhold into anything and everything? This screams of a move to central planning by our (((FED/.gov))) overlords.

Trumpstein is the perfect patsy if he stays on script.

(((Trust the plan)))

I think what makes Trump hard to predict is that he has molded himself that way. I guess that made him, for his part a better businessman. From a political standpoint I can see how that can be extremely useful against your political enemies. Before Trump, you had Obama, G.W. Bush, Clinton, H.W. Bush, and Reagan etc. They were all predictable.

I have heard rumors that if Trump was not able to be drafted that the 600 or so generals fired by Obama would have initiated a military coup. No idea if thats true or not. I have also heard Mamboni's theory before on the chans.

Trump does have military assistance, there is no way the "Q" operation would happen within the current intelligence agencies and there is a military general I heard a while back confirm that Q was a military intelligence operation, and not a Clowns In America intelligence operation as they are essentially marxist.

All I know for sure is that either way we all have front row seats to history in the making. I hope it goes the way of Mamboni's theory, I think we all do. But we should all make preparations just in case it goes the other way.

[Neuro]

Oh yee of little faith....

I suppose... You want to believe that Wilbur Ross and Trump isn’t the minions of Rothschilds any longer. They both did very well since 1990... Now they are about to dickstab their masters and makers, because they care about we the people?

[mamboni]

I suppose... You want to believe that Wilbur Ross and Trump isn’t the minions of Rothschilds any longer. They both did very well since 1990... Now they are about to dickstab their masters and makers, because they care about we the people?Trump made his bones on cheap debt and is beholden to the bankers to be sure. But what do you when you have all the money in the world and the US military points its guns at you and tells you to hand it over? This is all about retribution. To paraphrase Stalin "how many divisions does Sir Rothschild have?"

[Neuro]

Trump made his bones on cheap debt and is beholden to the bankers to be sure. But what do you when you have all the money in the world and the US military points its guns at you and tells you to hand it over? This is all about retribution. To paraphrase Stalin "how many divisions does Sir Rothschild have?"

Good point! I would however imagine that sir Rothschild has enough evidence against Trump to destroy his life 10 times over. But on the other hand the media probably threw half of it on him the last 4-5 years and it didn’t stick. And then you have the bankster Jew controlled deep state. I am sure Trump got to see the Unedited Kennedy film on what happens with rogue presidents and their families if they stray...

[Ares]

Good point! I would however imagine that sir Rothschild has enough evidence against Trump to destroy his life 10 times over. But on the other hand the media probably threw half of it on him the last 4-5 years and it didn’t stick. And then you have the bankster Jew controlled deep state. I am sure Trump got to see the Unedited Kennedy film on what happens with rogue presidents and their families if they stray...

I think that's where the generals come in. Again all hypothetical. Its clear with what we are seeing, and the deep divisions within government itself that there is a war waging behind the scenes.

[Neuro]

I think that's where the generals come in. Again all hypothetical. Its clear with what we are seeing, and the deep divisions within government itself that there is a war waging behind the scenes.

I sincerely hope so! We sure do live in interesting times...

[woodman]

I dunno, you don't seem very "not versed in financial matters" to me.
I really am quite unversed in financial matters. The entire system has always enraged me and I never felt an affinity to it and therefore didn't 'take' to it; not like I did to carpentry and artistic endeavors. I have always loved to read but I bought the book 'The Creature From Jekyll Island' by Griffin and didn't make it through the entire book. Not because I couldn't but because it was so boring. I have plowed through other boring works and been a better man for it but this one still sits on my shelf taunting me, 'Ha, Ha, couldn't finish me.' It did have much in it about the circumstances surrounding the take over of the Government that occurred in 1913 and those parts were easy reading. I picked through the book like a salad bar but soon I know I must finish it.

I spent some time as an assessor for the township. It went hand in hand with the position of Township Supervisor. Yes, I actually ran for public office and was elected. What an eye opener. Nothing will make clear the true nature of human interactions such as a political position. I finished my term and did not elect to continue. The whole system is completely foolish. We are talking about needless complexity and convoluted methods. It became clear to me that the complexity is deliberately added to the whole of the machine in order to create opacity; a lack of transparency; and also to demoralize those who would examine and understand the workings and the theft. Stripped of needless complexity, most systems, including the banking system are surprisingly simple and straightforward.

When you see 'needless' complexity in human affairs, it is often introduced to enable and hide theft. Even if it wasn't done purposefully but was an outgrowth of adding to existing structure, which I think is often the case, it still is an enabler of theft.

Humans can be very lazy. I am not a programmer but I believe that programmers will often use whole blocks of code that are already used in older programs when developing a product. Am I wrong here? Perhaps those of you who program will set me straight on this? It seems to me this is the way it works and the end result is a cumbersome bureaucracy, whether governmental or economic or mechanistic (both hardware and software). Again, someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Perhaps an entire industry could be created in streamlining different disciplines, be they government (removing the detritus, structure and artifacts of old laws), computers (micro processors and programs) or most pointedly, the banking system. Our system of monetary creation would be ludicrous if it were not so malicious.

On the subject of using old code functions to create new programs, it occurs to me that if a malign intelligence exists at a Macro Level (I believe it does), then it would certainly be part of it's opportunist nature to insert meaningless tidbits into simple functions, knowing full well that these simple functions would be copied over again and shuffled together, these 'meaningless tidbits' would come together, like words create a sentence and certain protocols could be enacted within a seemingly innocuous construction. The term Talpiot comes to mind. Then this would almost certainly be the case with hardware (microprocessor technology).

I know I am rambling in outer space here but I know you guys will put me in my place if my ramblings irritate you, and well you should.

I am cold and shivering right now. I woke up this morning and there is an inch of snow on the ground. It went down to 19 degrees F (the F stands for Fuck! It's cold) and my gas furnace stopped working. It is only 3 years old and has been nothing but trouble. It is too technical to be dependable. I've had old gas furnaces that functioned for years without breakdown, just simple maintenance. I do have wood backup; did I say that I am not into scarcity? Lack of scarcity is the definition of redundancy. So I am into redundancy, thus the wood backup for heat. I must go outside now and fill that monster of a boiler so I can get warm.

So what does all this have to do with Hyperinflationary Depression? I don't know; you figure it out. I get depressed thinking about hyper-inflation. It's all a Commie plot.

[Jewboo]

All I know for sure is that either way we all have front row seats to history in the making. I hope it goes the way of Mamboni's theory, I think we all do. But we should all make preparations just in case it goes the other way.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHQIhJbeFo

His entertaining theory is a pipe dream (https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict000334960741.jpg). It will soon go the other way when Popeye's is out of chicken.

Already, I can't find a single can of chicken for sale anywhere.

:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN8FCfD8Bd0

[Ares]

Humans can be very lazy. I am not a programmer but I believe that programmers will often use whole blocks of code that are already used in older programs when developing a product. Am I wrong here?

No you are not wrong. Those are called libraries. When you create an application or function there are some pretty basic and routine functions that others have done and made it freely available. So without having to re-invent the wheel, (i.e. redo the work that someone else has already done) you just include their work (giving them credit of course) into your application so as to speed up the development process.

I've come a long way in my coding ability but can always learn more as from what I have found there are typically 3-4 different ways even within the same language to accomplish the same task. Some are more efficient than others. The goal is to make the application run as efficient as possible, but sometimes that requires sacrifices later regarding output, or memory utilization.

Update:


After I posted this I just thought of an example.

Say you were to code an application to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. How would you program an application for a computer to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich?

How many back and forth motions with a knife per peanut better? Per jelly?

Say in the above example someone has already worked out the motions and just called it in C++ / C# anyway PeanutButterMotions.lib.

Within your code you would create a call function to that library and link to it in the code that whenever peanut butter is applied to a piece of bread to reference peanutbuttermotions.lib for the number of motions to apply said peanut butter.

Its not really "lazy" per se, more along the lines of just trying to get the job done with what is already available. It doesn't necessarily encumber the application or make it more convoluted, that part depends more on the developer creating said application.

[Neuro]

The main issue I have against Mamboni’s benevolent Trump theory...
I don’t think he cares about other people at all.

[Ares]

The main issue I have against Mamboni’s benevolent Trump theory...
I don’t think he cares about other people at all.

Not sure if that's quite true either.

Trump pays off mortgage of couple as the husband helped repair his broken down limo:

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/married-couple-helped-trump-after-his-limo-broke-down-what-he-did-next-is-amazing/

Trump flies family with critically ill child from New York to California as commercial airlines would not fly them:

https://www.hngn.com/articles/119691/20150815/donald-trump-allegedly-lets-seriously-ill-child-onbaord-private-jet.htm

A black woman in Trumps own organization speaking out in support of the Trumps family generosity and support in her own personal struggles:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY&feature=emb_title

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxaKUo5naoY&feature=emb_title

There are other examples of generosity... Again who knows how things will play out. None of us have access to the information for the war that is taking place behind the scenes. All we can do is guess which way it will go.

It doesn't look like it's going in the direction we want, especially with Bill Gates pushing for a vaccine that he is funding, and previous studies all showing adverse side effects with Coronavirus vaccines.....

[osoab]

The main issue I have against Mamboni’s benevolent Trump theory...


For me, I see it as relying upon hopium.



I don’t think he cares about other people at all.


I think Trumpstein does care but he cares about his banker buddies (and related ilk) more.

[Ares]

For me, I see it as relying upon hopium.




I think Trumpstein does care but he cares about his banker buddies (and related ilk) more.

Look at the bailout wall street received compared to the American tax slave.... Yep....

[EE_]

The main issue I have against Mamboni’s benevolent Trump theory...
I don’t think he cares about other people at all.

I don't believe that. There are certain things people have to do to get along in this world, you and I not excluded. Trump doesn't need the money, unlike most politicians. I don't believe for a minute he is bought and paid for.

Trump has had a blessed life and his family and his family's name are most important to him. I don't believe he would jeopardize his family's reputation by selling out our country. Trump is a generous man and he appreciates the people all the way to the bottom, who helped in his success. He's done a lot for people all his life.

I've watched this guy most of my life and I believe he is a genuine man. He's had to appease greedy corrupt bureaucrats and the NY mob to get things done. Absolutely no different then today as president, except working with the government is much much worse. If you think that is wrong, then you must be living on another planet, not based in reality.
Do you think trump has had anyone killed that got in his way? Ask that same question about the Clinton's and Obama and their friends in the FBI, DOJ, CIA.

There will be time later to judge Trump when his time is up as president.
I prefer to wait until that time. Until that time I will stand with the only chance I believe we have to save our country. Losing it is not an option!
Now some of you will say we've already lost our country, you're wrong...things can get much worse. This virus hoax is just a taste of what could be our new way of life...if that's what you would call it.

[Neuro]

Trump was bailed out by his now commerce secretary Wilbur Ross in 1990, who was working for Rothschild international at the time. Without it Trump would most likely not be particularly rich or famous today. I think this would count as bought and paid for. Looking at Wilbur Ross’ affairs since graduation from Rothschild, his timing with political decisions that has turned him to a billionaire as well I would say he is still a Rothschild man. Big business and banks will survive these lockdowns through Trumps support. Small business and workers will not, they are given some crums. 17 million has been fired in the US the last 3 weeks. Trump or Clinton/Biden/Obama/Bush wouldnt make any difference IMO. Sure there is some uncertainty re Trump agreed, but at this point putting your faith in him for your survival is beyond realism.

[mamboni]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQHQIhJbeFo

His entertaining theory is a pipe dream (https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/nintchdbpict000334960741.jpg). It will soon go the other way when Popeye's is out of chicken.

Already, I can't find a single can of chicken for sale anywhere.

:D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN8FCfD8Bd0"...my kingdom...my kingdom for a can of chicken!"

[EE_]

Trump was bailed out by his now commerce secretary Wilbur Ross in 1990, who was working for Rothschild international at the time. Without it Trump would most likely not be particularly rich or famous today. I think this would count as bought and paid for. Looking at Wilbur Ross’ affairs since graduation from Rothschild, his timing with political decisions that has turned him to a billionaire as well I would say he is still a Rothschild man. Big business and banks will survive these lockdowns through Trumps support. Small business and workers will not, they are given some crums. 17 million has been fired in the US the last 3 weeks. Trump or Clinton/Biden/Obama/Bush wouldnt make any difference IMO. Sure there is some uncertainty re Trump agreed, but at this point putting your faith in him for your survival is beyond realism.

Put it this way, I have way more faith in Trump keeping our country afloat, then I have in you...and you are owned by the Rothschild's (Jew's) too!

[woodman]

Yes. Trump is running the show. He has seized the Federal Reserve Bank assets and has turned it into a bad assets bank. Trump is deliberately destroying the dollar in order to destroy the money changers. The Rothschilds and the other of the six families are being taken down now. The Fed will buy and own all paper assets. Simultaneously, the world is being flooded with dollars. Internationally there is a dollar shortage because the entire world is liquidating dollar-denomated assets. Once the process is done and the lockdown ended, we will see a flood of dollars like never seen before. Everything tangible will hyperinflate in price, especially food. When people cannot feed themselves, no government can contain them and prevent revolution. Trump will cancel the entire Fed balance sheet of paper assets. At this point, the dollar will be hyperinflating and gold will be approaching $50,000 and silver $1000. You read that here first. The dollar will be then reset overnight. All federal reserve notes will be converted to the new constitutional dollar at 1000 FRN into 1 dollar. Gold will back the new constitutional dollar and the gold price reset to $50. Silver will be reset to $1 constitutional dollar. The gold eagle with it's legal tender $50 face value and the silver eagle with its $1 legal tender face value will be coin of the realm. As part of this bankruptcy reorganization, the asset holders will receive a distribution. A check for $1000 constitutional dollars will be sent to every social security account holder. Remember, the federal reserve note is legally a claim on the assets held by the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. That corporation is now defunct and it's assets will be distributed to the people.

What will follow is the bankruptcy of the corporate United States government. The congress and senate will be dismissed from office. Many will go to prison for high crimes and misdemeanors. A constitutional congress will be formed to reform a new government based on the US Constitution. Amendments will be made to the Constitution to insure that the abuses that took place since 1913 can never happen again. To those who think this pure fantasy, remember that FDR declared national bankruptcy in 1933 and put the nation into receivership. The people's gold was seized at the behest of the the receiver of the bankruptcy, the Federal Reserve Bank corporation. The gold was collateral to back issuance of federal reserve notes. Also, FDR cancelled the gold clause, killing the gold-backed dollar completely. Gold backed the federal reserve note for the benifit of the corporation, not the people; because after 1933 the federal reserve note was not convertible to gold (except by foreign governments) and it became illegal for American citizens to own gold.

Trump was drafted by the 600 fired generals of MAGA because he was the perfect man for the job. He was independently wealthy and could not be bought. He was vetted to insure that he was not blackmailable. And he was an expert in bankruptcy reorganization. That was the plan all along, to bankrupt and dissolve the corporate United States government and establish a constitutional republic. Trump will go down in the history books as the second Washington. He will be handed the wealth and power of the nation and he will give it back to the people, just as Washington did when offered to be literal king by the then constitutional congress. That is why Washington is the father of our country!
Good Doctor, I certainly hope your prognosis for this disease we suffer from is based on reality. I fear not though. What you suggest would be a dream come true. I have nothing against Trump and before he became president, I admired the fellow, not withstanding his ridiculous TV persona. I have never trusted him though. Trust has to be earned and I cannot trust someone in such a position, especially when it was sought out. My belief all along is that the death of JFK ended any question of 'A Man For The People'. We shall see. Another thing I question about Trump is the fact, as we saw in the video posted the other day, that he is a student of the Kabbalah. This as I'm sure you know, is the Jewish book of Mysticism. The Kabbalah is often presented as one thing, when it is really another. I worry this is the case with Trump.

[ziero0]

Just when I am all prepared for inflation and depression I find the local Sam's has both papier et toylet and 9 buck bottles of J&B Scotch 1.75 L on hand. The papier was rationed. The Scotch was not.

[mamboni]

Treasury to print Trump's signature on stimulus checks

[EE_]

Treasury to print Trump's signature on stimulus checks

You know why, don't you? It's for all the Democrat voting poor and illegals that get checks and don't have bank accounts.
Now they will see these fat checks are coming from President Trump. Only Democrat voters are getting checks, everyone else is direct deposit.
This is driving Democrats fucking nuts! I love it!

[Jewboo]

So every time you hold one of those dollars in your hand; every time you write a check; every time you look your grandkids in the eye, you think about that. Think about how their blood is being promised as 'interest' on the debt; because that is exactly what is being promised and taken. Time to think about the future, people! I'm fucking pissed! I've spent my whole life thinking about other shit, because this didn't interest me. Well, I've had some time to dwell on it and it ain't good.



Over 25% of Michigan Workforce Filed For Unemployment (https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/over-25-michigan-workforce-filed-unemployment)


:rolleyes: These are DECENT WORKING PEOPLE. Imagine what the common never-working niggers are doing about "dollars" right about now in Michigan.

[EE_]

Over 25% of Michigan Workforce Filed For Unemployment (https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/over-25-michigan-workforce-filed-unemployment)


:rolleyes: These are DECENT WORKING PEOPLE. Imagine what the common never-working niggers are doing about "dollars" right about now in Michigan.

JewBoo ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N66vuLj3kA

[Neuro]

Put it this way, I have way more faith in Trump keeping our country afloat, then I have in you...and you are owned by the Rothschild's (Jew's) too!

I have nothing to do with keeping your country sinking or afloat at all. I have not been bailed out by the Rothschilds and I don’t do their biddings. It is a well known fact that Trump was bailed out by Wilbur Ross efforts working for Rothschild international inc. But hey create your own reality if it makes you happy. I don’t fucking care if you delude yourself. It will all pass...

[madfranks]

I'll do it for a can of chicken!

Great value chicken?

[Cebu_4_2]

Great value chicken?

Absolutely, nothing but the best for our Great Doctors.

[woodman]

Over 25% of Michigan Workforce Filed For Unemployment (https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/over-25-michigan-workforce-filed-unemployment)


:rolleyes: These are DECENT WORKING PEOPLE. Imagine what the common never-working niggers are doing about "dollars" right about now in Michigan.
Our governor is a commie. She should suffer the same fate as these 'working' people.

[mamboni]

Great value chicken?Would you accept a generic silver round in lieu of an American silver eagle?

[woodman]

Would you accept a generic silver round in lieu of an American silver eagle?
We ought to all pool in to have a GSUS round minted. One side could have great value carrots and the other with Ponce's arm holding up a roll of toilet paper.

If you don't hold it, you don't own it.

[mamboni]

We ought to all pool in to have a GSUS round minted. One side could have great value carrots and the other with Ponce's arm holding up a roll of toilet paper.In my younger days I was a fine artist. I would love to submit a coin design for judgement by the membership. And I am prepared to tender a dollar sum towards such an endeavor.

In other news:

Lockdown-Backlash Begins: Angry Crowd Surrounds Capitol, Demands Michigan Governor Reopen Economy

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/and-it-beings-angry-michiganders-surround-capital-building-demand-governor-reopen-economy

The worm is starting to turn...

[Jewboo]

Great value chicken?



SOLD OUT LIKE ALL THE REST. (https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Pack-Great-Value-Premium-Fully-Cooked-Chunk-Chicken-12-5-oz/682253246?selected=true)

:mad:

[mamboni]

SOLD OUT LIKE ALL THE REST. (https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Pack-Great-Value-Premium-Fully-Cooked-Chunk-Chicken-12-5-oz/682253246?selected=true)

:mad:That's a good deal. I should have bought canned chicken before I bought silver!

[woodman]

SOLD OUT LIKE ALL THE REST. (https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Pack-Great-Value-Premium-Fully-Cooked-Chunk-Chicken-12-5-oz/682253246?selected=true)

:mad:
Do you like high quality canned herring fillets from the North Atlantic? Walmart has the best price on them. Bar Harbor are awesome!
https://www.walmart.com/browse/bar-harbor/YnJhbmQ6QmFyIEhhcmJvcgieie

The sardine fillets from Bar Harbor are excellent too. They are in water and smoked. They have no 'fishy' taste.

[Jewboo]

Do you like high quality canned herring fillets from the North Atlantic? Walmart has the best price on them. Bar Harbor are awesome!
https://www.walmart.com/browse/bar-harbor/YnJhbmQ6QmFyIEhhcmJvcgieie

The sardine fillets from Bar Harbor are excellent too. They are in water and smoked. They have no 'fishy' taste.

I stopped buying sardines (https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-Pack-King-Oscar-Wild-Caught-Sardines-in-Olive-Oil-3-75-oz/47224369) and instead stockpiled ALASKA RED SALM (https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Pack-Deming-s-Red-Sockeye-Wild-Caught-Alaskan-Salmon-14-75-Oz/721931670?selected=true)ON (https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-Pack-Deming-s-Red-Sockeye-Wild-Caught-Alaskan-Salmon-14-75-Oz/974288318).

:) still need more canned chicken now

[woodman]

I stopped buying sardines (https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-Pack-King-Oscar-Wild-Caught-Sardines-in-Olive-Oil-3-75-oz/47224369) and instead stockpiled ALASKA RED SALM (https://www.walmart.com/ip/3-Pack-Deming-s-Red-Sockeye-Wild-Caught-Alaskan-Salmon-14-75-Oz/721931670?selected=true)ON (https://www.walmart.com/ip/2-Pack-Deming-s-Red-Sockeye-Wild-Caught-Alaskan-Salmon-14-75-Oz/974288318).

:) still need more canned chicken now
I'm getting hungry dammit! All this talk about canned fish. Sometimes I wonder how I can be hungry and 25 lbs overweight at the same time. I used to see all this shit; 'End World Hunger'; I'm all for it because maybe then we could end world fatness.

[mamboni]

I'm getting hungry dammit! All this talk about canned fish. Sometimes I wonder how I can be hungry and 25 lbs overweight at the same time. I used to see all this shit; 'End World Hunger'; I'm all for it because maybe then we could end world fatness.If this forum supported image files, I would post my large stockpile of canned sardines, kippers and herring. Yum.

[woodman]

If this forum supported image files, I would post my large stockpile of canned sardines, kippers and herring. Yum.
My oldest son has a legendary appetite. He inherited it from me. He comes to visit often and I am very much like a Hobbit from Tolkein's works; I empty the larder until he is sated. He stays for days like some dwarf from hell and eats all of my canned herring and sardines. He eats our canned venison and homemade soups and really lives it up. That is ok though, because we love him and it amuses us.

[mamboni]

My oldest son has a legendary appetite. He inherited it from me. He comes to visit often and I am very much like a Hobbit from Tolkein's works; I empty the larder until he is sated. He stays for days like some dwarf from hell and eats all of my canned herring and sardines. He eats our canned venison and homemade soups and really lives it up. That is ok though, because we love him and it amuses us.If the food chain breaks down and you run out of food you can always eat your son. I tell that to my cat.

[vacuum]

With regards to hyperinflation, I don't see it and here's why.

The money supply is based on debt. A deflationary collapse happens when people default on debt. For example, in 2008 people were defaulting on mortgage debt.

Right now, many people have stopped making debt payments because they don't have any money. Rent, mortgages, car loans, credit card payments, etc now all have "deferred payments". If you call up your creditor right now, there is a good chance you can get deferred payments for a few months.

Deferred payments aren't the same thing as defaulting on debt, but its moving in that direction. The government simply can't print up enough money to make up for the GDP. At least its hard to conceive of.


Regarding the velocity of money as a factor in existing money, you have a point, and if/when the international order changes and the dollar is toast, then as all of those existing dollars flock home, if our money supply doubles, triples, or more, we'll see rises in prices accordingly.

I agree, if we lose reserve currency status then thats when hyperinflation is a real threat. But the thing is, the rest of the world sucks right now and not worth investing in.


Saudi Arabia is selling oil for peanuts.
Europe is on the verge of collapse, and is going to get totally screwed in their trade deal with us.
China is getting eaten by tariffs, low demand, and supply chain disruption. And their debt bubble is infinitely worse than what ours ever was.
Japan as too much debt, chronic deflation, and an aging population.
Brazil just doesn't have the demographics and political stability to lead world investment.
India is closed off from globalist investors. Foreigners are at risk of losing their investments in India. India doesn't play games.

There's nowhere else to go but the USD.

[ziero0]

The money supply is based on debt

The world was simpler to manage when people were either solvent or insolvent and legal fictions were the only entities permitted to discharge/extinguish contracts through the act of bankruptcy (the method by which legal fictions find Valhalla).

[woodman]

The world was simpler to manage when people were either solvent or insolvent and legal fictions were the only entities permitted to discharge/extinguish contracts through the act of bankruptcy (the method by which legal fictions find Valhalla).
These legal fictions (corporations) are made up of smaller units (investors). So investors band together, almost like ameobas that band together as individual components of a larger psuedo-organism. What we have then, is a living, breathing, fully functioning autonomous organism, made up of many smaller units, now comprising investors and employees, that has been given full rights of personhood by the government. These monsters now move through human society like super parasitic organisms would move through the fluid highways and tissues of a human body. We now have a serious parasitic infection.

[ziero0]

These legal fictions (corporations) are made up of smaller units (investors). So investors band together, almost like ameobas that band together as individual components of a larger psuedo-organism. What we have then, is a living, breathing, fully functioning autonomous organism, made up of many smaller units, now comprising investors and employees, that has been given full rights of personhood by the government. These monsters now move through human society like super parasitic organisms would move through the fluid highways and tissues of a human body. We now have a serious parasitic infection.

Society needs fictions. Fictions are how bridges and highways are built. Investors are infected with the illusion that profiting is a part of reality. In the present there is no profit. Profit exists only in future time while bankruptcy contemplates contracts in past time.

The problem isn't corporation. They aren't the disease. They are the symptom.

[Ares]

There's nowhere else to go but the USD.

Gold, Russia and China have been buying Gold hand over fist for the past decade.

[madfranks]

With regards to hyperinflation, I don't see it and here's why.

The money supply is based on debt. A deflationary collapse happens when people default on debt. For example, in 2008 people were defaulting on mortgage debt.

Right now, many people have stopped making debt payments because they don't have any money. Rent, mortgages, car loans, credit card payments, etc now all have "deferred payments". If you call up your creditor right now, there is a good chance you can get deferred payments for a few months.

Deferred payments aren't the same thing as defaulting on debt, but its moving in that direction. The government simply can't print up enough money to make up for the GDP. At least its hard to conceive of.



I agree, if we lose reserve currency status then thats when hyperinflation is a real threat. But the thing is, the rest of the world sucks right now and not worth investing in.


Saudi Arabia is selling oil for peanuts.
Europe is on the verge of collapse, and is going to get totally screwed in their trade deal with us.
China is getting eaten by tariffs, low demand, and supply chain disruption. And their debt bubble is infinitely worse than what ours ever was.
Japan as too much debt, chronic deflation, and an aging population.
Brazil just doesn't have the demographics and political stability to lead world investment.
India is closed off from globalist investors. Foreigners are at risk of losing their investments in India. India doesn't play games.

There's nowhere else to go but the USD.

I think you're right. Here's a good recent interview of Nouriel Roubini -- "Dr. Doom." He calls himself "Dr. Realistic." He thinks it will be an inflationary depression, but he does not think we will get hyperinflation. He thinks there will be a worldwide trade war: a trade war with export controls, not import tariffs, and he thinks the dollar is not at risk internationally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5NRhoPstk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5NRhoPstk

[Jewboo]

Right now, many people have stopped making debt payments because they don't have any money. Rent, mortgages, car loans, credit card payments, etc now all have "deferred payments". If you call up your creditor right now, there is a good chance you can get deferred payments for a few months. Deferred payments aren't the same thing as defaulting on debt, but its moving in that direction.



You guys are still focusing on old quaint GIM1 notions. You miss the scary reality that now today there is no "deferring" FOOD (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218267/Thousands-cars-line-Los-Angeles-food-bank.html) purchases.

:rolleyes:

[woodman]

If the food chain breaks down and you run out of food you can always eat your son. I tell that to my cat.
With the shutdown in Italy, the Romans may soon resort to eating their protected cat population again. I have about twenty barn cats. I guess I will eat them first. Maybe I can find some recipes online.

[woodman]

You guys are still focusing on old quaint GIM1 notions. You miss the scary reality that now today there is no "deferring" FOOD (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218267/Thousands-cars-line-Los-Angeles-food-bank.html) purchases.

:rolleyes:
Maybe Americans will come to their sense, at least the ones that have some and become self reliant. Everyone should keep a stock of food on hand in case of famine.

[mamboni]

You guys are still focusing on old quaint GIM1 notions. You miss the scary reality that now today there is no "deferring" FOOD (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218267/Thousands-cars-line-Los-Angeles-food-bank.html) purchases.

:rolleyes:i have had the same thought. What if the supply chain totally breaks and the markets close permanently? What if food supply is shut down permanently?
How long could you hold out?

[Tumbleweed]

i have had the same thought. What if the supply chain totally breaks and the markets close permanently? What if food supply is shut down permanently?
How long could you hold out?

I have food all around me in cans, in the freezer and on the hoof. I know what the hunters from the cities would do if the supply chains break down. They'll start working their way out from the cities harvesting and wasting a lot of the wildlife and domestic livestock wherever they find it.

No doubt they'd kill off the breeding animals too so there would eventually be less animals to harvest. Lots of starvation would follow which would make the jews happy. They starved millions in Ukraine and felt no guilt or remorse.

[Hitch]

i have had the same thought. What if the supply chain totally breaks and the markets close permanently? What if food supply is shut down permanently?
How long could you hold out?

If the supply chain totally breaks and markets close permanently, we most likely will be more concerned for our safety, than for food. The amount of widespread panic, civil unrest, and violence will be unlike anything we've ever seen, or can imagine.

Actually, I think we might be getting pretty close to civil unrest. If these lockdowns continue, at some point there will be civil unrest. Protests are already popping up over the lockdowns. Those cars in the food lines Book posts about, how many more cars need to stack up before mass violence erupts? 2000 cars, 5000?

[mamboni]

If the supply chain totally breaks and markets close permanently, we most likely will be more concerned for our safety, than for food. The amount of widespread panic, civil unrest, and violence will be unlike anything we've ever seen, or can imagine.

Actually, I think we might be getting pretty close to civil unrest. If these lockdowns continue, at some point there will be civil unrest. Protests are already popping up over the lockdowns. Those cars in the food lines Book posts about, how many more cars need to stack up before mass violence erupts? 2000 cars, 5000?I just did my last food run. No eggs whatsoever. Half the shelves are permanently empty. People all wearing masks and they look absolutely terrified. I bought a bunch of canned food, including four jumbo cans of chicken (vide supra) and more brown rice. We then drove to Aldi's and they had eggs, I always keep 10 dozen eggs in the fridge so I added two dozen. I've been stocking food and supplies for years and easily have a year's worth of food and supplies. I'm telling anyone who will listen that he or she must assume that in a few weeks nothing may be available!

[Jewboo]

...The amount of widespread panic, civil unrest, and violence will be unlike anything we've ever seen, or can imagine...Actually, I think we might be getting pretty close to civil unrest...Those cars in the food lines Book posts about, how many more cars need to stack up before mass violence erupts? 2000 cars, 5000?



About 10,000 families lined up in their cars (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8218267/Thousands-cars-line-Los-Angeles-food-bank.html) for hours at a food bank in San Antonio, Texas and cars lined for more than a mile at a drive-up food bank site in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at the weekend

:rolleyes: Power goes off for just three days and all freezer food spoils. It's all about CANNED food now guys.CANNED foods...especially highest-protein chicken and fish.

[mamboni]

With the shutdown in Italy, the Romans may soon resort to eating their protected cat population again. I have about twenty barn cats. I guess I will eat them first. Maybe I can find some recipes online.This gives a whole new meaning to eating pussy.

[woodman]

This gives a whole new meaning to eating pussy.
I laughed hard at that one!����

[Hitch]

I just did my last food run. No eggs whatsoever. Half the shelves are permanently empty. People all wearing masks and they look absolutely terrified. I bought a bunch of canned food, including four jumbo cans of chicken (vide supra) and more brown rice. We then drove to Aldi's and they had eggs, I always keep 10 dozen eggs in the fridge so I added two dozen. I've been stocking food and supplies for years and easily have a year's worth of food and supplies. I'm telling anyone who will listen that he or she must assume that in a few weeks nothing may be available!

I am not disagreeing with you at all. I keep plenty of eggs as well, they last a long time in the fridge. :) If I cant get eggs in the grocery anymore, I've got canned eggs if I run out. And, canned Bacon as well.

My thoughts now are on security, our own personal safety. I hope you are wrong about the supply chain stopping, but I think you may be right. Being safe, and secure, is very important to focus on, imo.

[Hitch]

[/B][/SIZE]:rolleyes: Power goes off for just three days and all freezer food spoils. It's all about CANNED food now guys.CANNED foods...especially highest-protein chicken and fish.

Book, if power or water goes off, all bets are off. Canned foods is very wise, but you'll need a way to secure them from theft or robbery, or outright any murder attempts on yourself.

I've said this to quite a few folks. All bets are off if we lose power or water during this "crisis". Some of us are off the grid, or semi-off the grid (like myself) I have solutions, but civil unrest and violence will be the main order of the day.

[woodman]

I just did my last food run. No eggs whatsoever. Half the shelves are permanently empty. People all wearing masks and they look absolutely terrified. I bought a bunch of canned food, including four jumbo cans of chicken (vide supra) and more brown rice. We then drove to Aldi's and they had eggs, I always keep 10 dozen eggs in the fridge so I added two dozen. I've been stocking food and supplies for years and easily have a year's worth of food and supplies. I'm telling anyone who will listen that he or she must assume that in a few weeks nothing may be available!
I'm glad you were able to find some food Mamboni. I think your cat is too. As for eggs, I get about a dozen a day from my chickens. I put out a sign "Fresh Eggs" and have had no customers. $3 is not that high for a dozen fresh eggs. Way better than grocery store eggs; the yolks stand way high and are dark orange. Yum.

[Hitch]

Off topic, but if you are concerned with losing a freezer from a power outage. Check these guys out. 12 volt deep freezers that draw very little power, run on a simple battery, and a small solar setup would be all you need to keep it going.

I don't have one yet, but it's on the the list to get.

https://sundanzer.com/product-category/household/

[woodman]

Off topic, but if you are concerned with losing a freezer from a power outage. Check these guys out. 12 volt deep freezers that draw very little power, run on a simple battery, and a small solar setup would be all you need to keep it going.

I don't have one yet, but it's on the the list to get.

https://sundanzer.com/product-category/household/
Pricey but a small price to pay if the power is down.

[Hitch]

Pricey but a small price to pay if the power is down.

Made in the USA. Pricey, but would probably last a lifetime.

[vacuum]

I think you're right. Here's a good recent interview of Nouriel Roubini -- "Dr. Doom." He calls himself "Dr. Realistic." He thinks it will be an inflationary depression, but he does not think we will get hyperinflation. He thinks there will be a worldwide trade war: a trade war with export controls, not import tariffs, and he thinks the dollar is not at risk internationally.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5NRhoPstk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5NRhoPstk

That guy has some great insights.

It make sense that inflation is around the corner since we have supply shocks coming right at us. Those include: supply chain disruption (both foreign and domestic), tariffs, trade wars, etc.

[Neuro]

Off topic, but if you are concerned with losing a freezer from a power outage. Check these guys out. 12 volt deep freezers that draw very little power, run on a simple battery, and a small solar setup would be all you need to keep it going.

I don't have one yet, but it's on the the list to get.

https://sundanzer.com/product-category/household/

Certainly a great idea to go solar. But I would suggest to buy a much cheaper regular deep chest freezer that can also run as a fridge on 120 V AC and invest the difference in an inverter and a little bigger solar panel to compensate for conversion losses. The energy consumption on these are low, but you can get equal or better at much lower prices in 120 VAC. Also if you want to buy other essential bug out machines like Washing machine, meat grinder, wifi router, mosquito zapper, TV-VHS, hair dryer you have a much greater range to choose from in 120V. One drawback with it is of course that it is more difficult and dangerous and you may have to hire someone like 7th Trump to do the electric in your abode, while with a 12 V system you can do it yourself.An alternative could be that you make a 12 or 24 V DC system for the house light fixtures, which you attach a cheaper inverter to, that you can run the 120 VAC from with extension cables.

[ImaCannin]

I don't have one yet, but it's on the the list to get.

https://sundanzer.com/product-category/household/

I had this freezer from 2008 to 2019. Never had a problem with it. We had it hooked up to a small solar system. It had a device so you could use it as a freezer or a fridge.

I agree... canned food is the way to go. I have a freezer full of meat, but also have a small gas generator and a propane generator, both with fuel that will run them for a few months. My freezer meat is for the near future, but I have freeze dried for long term. The way I have to eat with my limited diet, I put a whole freeze dried meal ( rice meat and veggie) in a jar with some salt , vacuum seal it. When it’s time to eat , I pour water on it and let it sit for about 10 minutes and I am good to go. You don’t have to have hot water, although it does taste better. While traveling, I put a bottle of water on my defroster on the dash and let it heat up while I drive. I have also heated up water by just sitting the jar of water in the sun. I think it’s important to find ways around in a no power situation. I have a solar cooker too. They work great until chem trails blow over.

Remember, you can take crackers or chips and put in a canning jar and vacuum seal the lid on. I just ate some 3 year old bean chips that tasted as fresh as the day I put them in the jar. I like to vacuum seal special treats in canning jars and place them thru out my storage.

Imacannin

[woodman]

I had this freezer from 2008 to 2019. Never had a problem with it. We had it hooked up to a small solar system. It had a device so you could use it as a freezer or a fridge.

I agree... canned food is the way to go. I have a freezer full of meat, but also have a small gas generator and a propane generator, both with fuel that will run them for a few months. My freezer meat is for the near future, but I have freeze dried for long term. The way I have to eat with my limited diet, I put a whole freeze dried meal ( rice meat and veggie) in a jar with some salt , vacuum seal it. When it’s time to eat , I pour water on it and let it sit for about 10 minutes and I am good to go. You don’t have to have hot water, although it does taste better. While traveling, I put a bottle of water on my defroster on the dash and let it heat up while I drive. I have also heated up water by just sitting the jar of water in the sun. I think it’s important to find ways around in a no power situation. I have a solar cooker too. They work great until chem trails blow over.

Remember, you can take crackers or chips and put in a canning jar and vacuum seal the lid on. I just ate some 3 year old bean chips that tasted as fresh as the day I put them in the jar. I like to vacuum seal special treats in canning jars and place them thru out my storage.

Imacannin
How do you vacuum seal the lid on?

[Jewboo]

a small solar setup would be all you need to keep it going. I don't have one yet, but it's on the the list to get.

1) First you say defense against mayhem is now even more urgent than canned food. Now we should attract looters to our freezer food with a nice new shiny solar panel on our roof?

2) The sun doesn't shine half the time in many cloudy locations.

Like I suggested.....precooked canned food especially high-protein chicken and fish.

:rolleyes:

[Ares]

That guy has some great insights.

It make sense that inflation is around the corner since we have supply shocks coming right at us. Those include: supply chain disruption (both foreign and domestic), tariffs, trade wars, etc.

Inflation appears to be in the cards:

http://www.goldtelegraph.com/central-banks-add-more-gold-to-their-reserves-while-dumping-u-s-treasuries/

Central banks are dumping treasuries at a record pace while buying metric tons worth of gold.

[madfranks]

I just read a fascinating article discussing one of the next dominoes to fall, which is municipal/town governments, because of the imminent loss of tax revenue. Think about it: economic activity is stopped, that means far fewer taxable events, which means municipalities are facing a HUGE reduction in incoming tax revenue. Also think about all the mortgages not being paid right now, much of it due to government mandated bans on evictions and the such, but property taxes are built in to mortgage payments, and property taxes are one of the biggest sources of local government revenue. All these mortgages not being paid right now means local governments will start going bankrupt later this year or next year. It's going to get worse!

[monty]

I just read a fascinating article discussing one of the next dominoes to fall, which is municipal/town governments, because of the imminent loss of tax revenue. Think about it: economic activity is stopped, that means far fewer taxable events, which means municipalities are facing a HUGE reduction in incoming tax revenue. Also think about all the mortgages not being paid right now, much of it due to government mandated bans on evictions and the such, but property taxes are built in to mortgage payments, and property taxes are one of the biggest sources of local government revenue. All these mortgages not being paid right now means local governments will start going bankrupt later this year or next year. It's going to get worse!

That is something that I suspected from the beginning of the shutdown of private enterprise. Surely the politicians responsible aren’t so stupid as to not have realized this would happen. They must have an ulterior motive. Complete state control?

[ImaCannin]

How do you vacuum seal the lid on?

Here is a good video on it. You can dry can most all dry product.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biMgUOdJXV4 8min video

I have eaten 5 year old brown rice that I dry canned. The secret is to try to find the freshest rice available before you pack it. I use a lot of 1/2 gallon jars for bulk items like beans and rice. Sometimes I use the plastic bags, but don’t have as much faith in them, and they will suck all the air out of the bag making chips and crackers into crumbs. The plastic bags are great for your back pack food.

[Amanda]

Here is a good video on it. You can dry can most all dry product.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biMgUOdJXV4 8min video

I have eaten 5 year old brown rice that I dry canned. The secret is to try to find the freshest rice available before you pack it. I use a lot of 1/2 gallon jars for bulk items like beans and rice. Sometimes I use the plastic bags, but don’t have as much faith in them, and they will suck all the air out of the bag making chips and crackers into crumbs. The plastic bags are great for your back pack food.


So, is that what I'm supposed to do with all the dried rice, beans, couscous, quinoa, and lentils that I bought? All of the dried food I bought is in bags--am I supposed to store it in jars??

[woodman]

So, is that what I'm supposed to do with all the dried rice, beans, couscous, quinoa, and lentils that I bought? All of the dried food I bought is in bags--am I supposed to store it in jars??
I have stored a lot of bulk items in plastic. I have moths real bad here and they get into everything. They even chew their way through plastic bags and ruin everything. Even plastic buckets have to be vacuum sealed. Glass is best.

[ImaCannin]

So, is that what I'm supposed to do with all the dried rice, beans, couscous, quinoa, and lentils that I bought? All of the dried food I bought is in bags--am I supposed to store it in jars??

Yeppers! Brown rice will stay ok for about 6 months befor it starts to taste stale. White rice 1 year, beans about 1 year, but you can still eat them, they get hard and you need to soak them longer. Grains are,ok for about a year.

You can store in 5 gallon buckets, but then again it’s plastic ....most of mine was ruined by the gamma seal lids breaking, the oxy absorbers no longer active , I guess from leaking buckets. You can store in Mylar, but it pokes holes prettty easy. At one time I had a can sealer and it worked great, but you had to find # 10 cans to put your stuff in.

Canning jars worked the best for me...

[Amanda]

Yeppers! Brown rice will stay ok for about 6 months befor it starts to taste stale. White rice 1 year, beans about 1 year, but you can still eat them, they get hard and you need to soak them longer. Grains are,ok for about a year.

You can store in 5 gallon buckets, but then again it’s plastic ....most of mine was ruined by the gamma seal lids breaking, the oxy absorbers no longer active , I guess from leaking buckets. You can store in Mylar, but it pokes holes prettty easy. At one time I had a can sealer and it worked great, but you had to find # 10 cans to put your stuff in.

Canning jars worked the best for me...


Thanks so much. I've been stocking up, but I guess there's much more I have to do. All of this is totally new to me!

[woodman]

Paul Craig Roberts is brilliant in this interview. He discusses the fact that if people do not have discressionary income, they cannot buy products and the economy will still falter. He discusses debt jubilee and nationalization of banks and corporations. Brilliant man. I wonder how old he is now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpi04VA1XQg

[mamboni]

This is a very interesting Lady - rather new agy and out there - but I try to keep an open mind. In any event, the segments containing Jerome Corsi, Q and POTUS are very encouraging. Recommended.

Psychic Attacks, Trump's 5G Plans, Disappearing Pope, GESARA Debt Relief, POTUS Drops W.H.O and more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZK75qT7Gtg

[woodman]

This is a very interesting Lady - rather new agy and out there - but I try to keep an open mind. In any event, the segments containing Jerome Corsi, Q and POTUS are very encouraging. Recommended.

Psychic Attacks, Trump's 5G Plans, Disappearing Pope, GESARA Debt Relief, POTUS Drops W.H.O and more



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZK75qT7Gtg
She's cute mamboni but I cannot spend over an hour watching her. Now maybe if she did some pole dancing.....

[woodman]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/overcapacity-oversupply-everywhere-massive-deflation-ahead

[mamboni]

She's cute mamboni but I cannot spend over an hour watching her. Now maybe if she did some pole dancing.....
At 25:23 Corsi affirms Trump's connection to military intelligence (MAGA) and Q
At 32:37 Trump makes a cryptic reference to a big decision coming

[madfranks]

That is something that I suspected from the beginning of the shutdown of private enterprise. Surely the politicians responsible aren’t so stupid as to not have realized this would happen. They must have an ulterior motive. Complete state control?

As this was slowly unfolding back in Feb/early March, I really did try to keep a level head and believe that our representatives were doing their best with the information they had. Now that power has been seized (albeit supposedly temporarily), the dynamic has quickly shifted to managing and maintaining this new power, not to fix the problem. While new info is coming out showing the rate of infection is 30-35x HIGHER (via antibody testing) than originally suspected (which puts the actual fatality rate to something like 0.2% of all infected because the vast majority of infected show no symptoms and recover without issue), we should be talking about returning to normal and opening everything back up. Instead, which concerns me very much, is that many state and city leaders are more interested in how they can manage and direct these new powers. Los Angeles is so bent on control that they've dumped almost 40 tons of sand into playgrounds and skate parks to stop people from playing - WTF?? I'm not a big fan of Trump but I do see him as at least one person trying to open the country back up. I think most people (including most of the highest elected state/city politicians) have little to no idea of the collapse that is coming if we don't get the economy built up again. Trump I believe sees the train wreck that is coming if we don't let people back out to work, but is unfortunately surrounded by swamp politicians who love power, and yes this includes Dr. Fauci.

[madfranks]

Regarding city/municipal debt, (sorry it's members only): https://www.garynorth.com/members/20768.cfm


They cannot get blood out of turnips. If they tax businesses, the businesses will be driven out of business. Unemployment will go higher. State deficits will go higher.
This is the moment of truth for the Keynesian system. It can only be sustained on paper by massive Federal Reserve counterfeiting. He understands this. I don't think state and local politicians and bureaucrats do understand.
States and local governments are going to have to float bond issues. The Federal Reserve is going to buy those bond issues. The money is going to get into the economy. The money is going to be spent. But it is going to be spent on a shrinking supply of goods and services.
Right now, we are in deflationary mode. You can bargain with a new car salesman. But nobody is bargaining with new car salesmen. Most dealerships are going to go under over the next two years.
I think prices are going to go up. I don't think it will be immediate, but a year from now, we will be in an economy with price inflation moving up by at least 5%. It is possible that we could be in a situation which prices will be rising closer to 10%. The collapse of oil prices will help to delay this. That's why I think this is not going to be immediate. But I think we have to plan for price inflation on a scale that we have not seen in a generation. The public is not ready for this.
If state governments run out of money to send out as unemployment checks, there is going to be a crisis like we have not seen in our lifetimes. That could happen within a few months. Only the Federal Reserve's counterfeiting is going to keep states solvent, and only because states float major bond issues. State debt is going to start going up the way federal debt is.
As for municipalities, the same will be true. Get ready for public debt on a scale that we have not seen since World War II. And you and I have not seen it.

[monty]

As this was slowly unfolding back in Feb/early March, I really did try to keep a level head and believe that our representatives were doing their best with the information they had. Now that power has been seized (albeit supposedly temporarily), the dynamic has quickly shifted to managing and maintaining this new power, not to fix the problem. While new info is coming out showing the rate of infection is 30-35x HIGHER (via antibody testing) than originally suspected (which puts the actual fatality rate to something like 0.2% of all infected because the vast majority of infected show no symptoms and recover without issue), we should be talking about returning to normal and opening everything back up. Instead, which concerns me very much, is that many state and city leaders are more interested in how they can manage and direct these new powers. Los Angeles is so bent on control that they've dumped almost 40 tons of sand into playgrounds and skate parks to stop people from playing - WTF?? I'm not a big fan of Trump but I do see him as at least one person trying to open the country back up. I think most people (including most of the highest elected state/city politicians) have little to no idea of the collapse that is coming if we don't get the economy built up again. Trump I believe sees the train wreck that is coming if we don't let people back out to work, but is unfortunately surrounded by swamp politicians who love power, and yes this includes Dr. Fauci.


So, in a nutshell:

Based on the information in the video Amanda posted
http://youtu.be/Mk49Qf7oh_4
plus the enforced stay-at-home and social distancing to prevent herd immunity the instigators of thus crisis expect (are hoping for) a second wave then issuing a badge or an ID to the lo risk who will be allowed to return to work. The high risk will be isolated, maybe jailed.

There is a large segment of society that buys into the social distancing, wear your face mask or you will surely die so that the plan might succeed.

This video Tumbleweed posted @ Truth in Our Times forum explains why hiding at home and social distancing will prevent an immune public



http://youtu.be/lGC5sGdz4kg


And if all goes according to their plans the Federal Reserve gets their digital currency, Bill Gates and company sells billions of $ in vaccines and has everyone chipped with an electronic leash.

[mamboni]

Oil futures just went negative!!!!!!

[Ares]

Oil futures just went negative!!!!!!

Anyone have capacity for 500,00 barrels of oil? At negative 35 dollars a barrel that's over 18 million dollars that the ETF funds will pay you to take some of their contracts off their hands... LOL

[Amanda]

the instigators of thus crisis expect (are hoping for) a second wave then issuing a badge or an ID to the lo risk who will be allowed to return to work.
And if all goes according to their plans the Federal Reserve gets their digital currency, Bill Gates and company sells billions of $ in vaccines and has everyone chipped with an electronic leash.

fwiw, my take is that they are PLANNING on telling us there is a second wave (it doesn't have to be real--they control the MSM and are creating "reality," plus with a bogus test with an 80% false positive rate, they can continue this scam indefinitely)

I honestly don't know what to do anymore--I drop links and work at this all day. Should we be writing to our elected whores??? I know I called almost every single one of the back with TARP and it happened anyway. And at the state level, I'm in a Democrat controlled state and they are 100% on board with the tyranny. Are all of our elected officials in on the psyop or are they brainwashed by the MSM too? Do they know an economic collapse is coming? Do they know the central bankers are debasing the currency, setting us up for hyperinflation, so they can bring in their digital currency? I just don't understand how all of this is happening. I mean, I know our elected whores are EVIL, but I just didn't realize they were this evil-- aren't they and their families going to get chipped too??

[Neuro]

Anyone have capacity for 500,00 barrels of oil? At negative 35 dollars a barrel that's over 18 million dollars that the ETF funds will pay you to take some of their contracts off their hands... LOL

The price of big holes in the ground just went up 1000’s of percents...

[madfranks]

Oil futures just went negative!!!!!!

Because for the next futures trading session, everyone knows all they'll be able to do with oil is store it. And if it costs more to store than to buy, that's an economic loss (negative cost). This discourages production, which is actually what should be done right now because demand is so low.

[Neuro]

Because for the next futures trading session, everyone knows all they'll be able to do with oil is store it. And if it costs more to store than to buy, that's an economic loss (negative cost). This discourages production, which is actually what should be done right now because demand is so low.

But Trump seems pretty adamant to keep them pumps going

[Ares]

But Trump seems pretty adamant to keep them pumps going

Apparently Trump / Government doesn't want to let the market do what it's supposed to do. Separate out the wheat from the chaff and let the market let the most profitable and efficient win. This has ALWAYS been a problem with government intervention into the market....

You want to see where things are going? Look no further than Venezuela. Hopefully everyone has some food stored.

[monty]

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Wow, Manarino is a 32 degree Mason. Did not know that.

[monty]

Wow, Manarino is a 32 degree Mason. Did not know that.

I don't know much at all about the guy.

[Amanda]

fwiw- I listen to Mannarino just for information on what the bankers are up to (that's his area of expertise), and that's pretty much what he focuses on. And he really understands the level of criminality and fraud that's going on (Fed is now buying up the world with dollars that were printed out of thin air--how sick is that, while people in the third world are starving b/c their nations are debt to the IMF for money that never existed). I personally find his take on things helpful--he counters the BS out of Q that "Trump has taken over the Fed" and says that the Fed is the most powerful institution on the planet, that it gets it's power from the issuance ("printing") of debt, and now it's printing more than ever, so it's more powerful than ever. I don't expect him to be an expert on any other area --I don't think he has any understanding of the psyops or geopolitics. But he seems to get the banks and the NWO agenda. Here's a couple of quotes from him that I drop everywhere:

"Look around you. A world in lock down. Cities, states, nations shutting down. Markets in free-fall. Moreover, NOTHING you are seeing is by accident! Something I have been telling you for YEARS. Understand.. A deliberate global meltdown is occurring by design. A second Great Depression is being THRUST upon us, yes thrust. Many, many people are going do die. For how many years my EXACT words have been "It Will Be Biblical." This is all being done to bring about a NEW financial system.. and methods of control over the remaining population beyond your wildest nightmares are going to occur... what we are seeing now is JUST THE BEGINNING.... GM

- IMO this is a DELIBERATE meltdown of the world economic and financial systems. The New America is now the epicenter of a new order which will sweep the globe, quickly. I also believe it is by design that The Fed. is flooding the world with dollars now in order to usher in a one world ALL digital currency... GM"

I've been aware that he was a Mason (it totally shocked me) for a while, and I always keep that in the back of my mind while I listen to him. He thinks the virus is a real threat, but he doesn't spend his days looking at the stuff I look it (he's looking at the financial stuff).

[Neuro]

Mannarinos contribution to the masonic rodent elite cause is that he tells people that resistance is futile.

[Tumbleweed]

Wow, Manarino is a 32 degree Mason. Did not know that.

Manarino fails John Kaminskis Hitler test and he's wrong about what's coming. It's not national socialism or fascism, it's jewish communism. I suspect he's got some jew blood in his veins too. He's probably right about how they're taking this country down though.

When he speaks about free masonry he promotes the "three unclean frogs" of revelation, Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.

And I saw from out of the mouth of the dragon and from out of the mouth of the beast and from out of the mouth of the False Prophet three unclean spirits like frogs.
-Revelation 16:13

More on the "unclean frogs" of Revelation 16:13 at this link below.

https://boards.christogenea.org/forum/biblical-studies/new-testament-discussion/6091-the-three-frogs-of-revelation-16-13

[woodman]

What we've been seeing is just another form of creative destruction, brought on us by the banksters. They chose a different form of warfare this time but it fits all the functions of war and even better. They have increased their stranglehold far more efficiently than mere warfare could have done. A multi-phasic attack relies on confusion and demoralization; they have given us both in spades. States of emergency, anti-establishment riots with destruction of property and icons of history, a constant barrage of fake pandemic mongering along with tyrannical and illegal edicts by dictatorial governors and finally an obviously (on purpose) fake election; all these things and more have created confusion and demoralization that will deliver the populace at large, mewling and crawling like an infant to it's self-chosen masters, begging for protection and relief and a poisonous concoction to allay their fear.

Population reduction, wealth redistribution from a dying middle class; what does it mean? Hello Neo-feudalism. Creative destruction indeed.

Once they are finished with us, they believe they will be able to make any political moves they want, without an outcry from the public. I wonder.

[ziero0]

The difference between a banker and a merchant is negligible. Both have something they are trying to sell you. When their merchandise doesn't move they try to whip up demand. They adjust inventory. They give away money and call it stimulus.

[woodman]

Well, it's getting hard to keep any dry powder. The prices are going up everywhere, even at Aldi and the packages are shrinking. Not sure whether to buy needed things now before supply dries up and cost becomes prohibitive, or save some for a possible deflation.