Flat earthers are a real hoot

[midnight rambler]

There’s a bunch of actual continents inside the Antarctica ‘ice wall’ that the “coast guard and military” block anyone from visiting, including Atlantis and Lemura. This video presents the second map of ‘what’s beyond the ice wall’ I’ve seen and the two maps I’ve seen SO FAR depict two entirely different arrangement of land masses. Flat earthers are unable to agree on ‘flat earth theory’. lol

20 minute video- for entertainment purposes only!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/mwmRluYGriWV/

[vacuum]

This is what happens when you have a population of people who are uneducated, living on hand outs, and looking for some relevance and importance rather that face their other issues.

[midnight rambler]

I watched the entire video. No solutions, remedies, alternatives, etc. to our problems were offered, just a bunch of utter nonsense. Supposedly the 'flat earth theory' is based on the Bible however this mental midget didn't make a single reference to the Bible, NOR did he say a single word about getting right with the Lord - all the more reason to think 'flat earth theory' is a psyop brought to us by the usual suspects.

[ziero0]

Up front have not watched the video. But here is my take on Flat Earth.

Your presence is composed of a conscious and a subconscious. Your conscious is highly suggest-able while your subconscious works on real data. Your present time data is driven by your five senses. Your past is driven by memory. Your future is determined by memory and logic.

The Flat Earth is what one of your sensors (vision) tells you about your present. Beyond the horizon has no existence in the subconscious but does exist in the conscious by memory. Perhaps at some time past you have ventured beyond the horizon and you remember that event. It only exists in your memory (past) or memory and logic (future). The Earth in your present only exists to the part that you see and that Earth appears flat.

Logic that is faulty and that works on data that is faulty creates a future that psychologists describe as INSANE. Such is the present condition people call politics.

[midnight rambler]

Flat earthers just cannot agree on much of anything except 'the earth is flat!'. This fellow says, "...everything we know about Jesus Christ and God...doesn't apply any more* (because of what lies beyond 'the ice wall')." Just to 7:20 in this video to hear that bit of wisdom from someone who's apparently an authority on what's beyond 'the ice wall.'

*just one example of why I think this is a psyop to drive the unsaved away from Christianity

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RdnLy0QjNNib/

[osoab]

Flat Earther's have something. Shit they have their own Illuminati the Game card. https://www.google.com/search?q=flat+earther+illuminati+the+game&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_wPXu2Ov9AhUwm2oFHcxiDhEQ0pQJegQIIhAC&biw=2560&bih=1287&dpr=1#imgrc=pSCBaJ9iNleMfM
(https://www.google.com/search?q=flat+earther+illuminati+the+game&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_wPXu2Ov9AhUwm2oFHcxiDhEQ0pQJegQIIhAC&biw=2560&bih=1287&dpr=1#imgrc=pSCBaJ9iNleMfM)
You definitely need to know who is a shill. There is a lot to weed through. It took me years of attempting to debunk, before I felt comfortable with the fact the we do not live on sphere. For me it is the curvature chart for the ball earth and light houses. We see too far to be living on a globe as promoted.

For me, learning that we have been mislead about the realm we live in/upon brought me closer to the Creator. Something that was lost with modern society as I grew up. I was indoctrinated within Catholicism and Lutheranism, so probably not the best starting point.

Christianity as a gate keeper to "God" is hypocrisy at it's finest.

Now, if you want to advocate that we live in a simulated reality, I am willing to listen.

Oh yeah, flat earth vids are one of the few videos that get a disclaimer from ziopedia on jewtube. Think about that...

[woodman]

If the Earth was flat then the distance around the perimeter (that is the global south) would be tens of thousands of miles. It would necessitate refueling for flights between southern destinations and long travel times and expensive tickets. It takes just a few hours to travel between southern countries. Follow the money, it will tell the real truth every time.

[midnight rambler]

Christianity as a gate keeper to "God" is hypocrisy at it's finest.

Wow.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. --John 14:6

You flat earthers use God's Word to support your flat earth theory and at the same time you deny the Gospel of Jesus?? ??? What's up with that??

[osoab]

Wow.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. --John 14:6

You flat earthers use God's Word to support your flat earth theory and at the same time you deny the Gospel of Jesus?? ??? What's up with that??


Tell that to Hindu's, Muslims, Jews, Shintoism, Scientology, Mormons, etc, etc. How do you know you are right? Belief?

You sound like the government.

And technically, everything attributed by Jesus, was written many many years later. Then translated from language to language with each adding there twist. How do you know your version is correct?

Also, were you there to here Jesus say these words?

Technically words attributed to Jesus are hearsay. :)

[midnight rambler]

How do you know your version is correct?

For several reasons. For starters I had an NDE and was outside of time on the other side of the veil momentarily (in this timeline). I was somewhere else, definitely not here. I have zero recollection of 'being elsewhere' however it HAD to have happened because there was part of the event I have zero memory of and THAT part of the event absolutely happened based on the evidence which include scars - had I actually known the extent of my injuries I would have simply keeled over dead right there on the spot, and THAT'S a fact. My memory has 100% continuity of the episode yet a significant portion is missing, I was never unconscious or blacked out, and I never had any other experiences you hear from others who have had an NDE (out of body, seeing a tunnel of light, entire life recall, seeing passed on relatives, seeing Jesus, etc. - NOTHING). I should not be here still but as a faithful witness I have to say, prayer works, and several miracles occurred during the episode and afterwards. Someone with the extent of injuries I had has a 14% chance of survival, I lost 4 units of blood in about 7 minutes. Additionally I experienced ZERO pain during the incident (as in none whatsoever), immediately afterwards, and during recovery. Sometimes I will witness to someone about the power of prayer that happened during that incident and many people think I'm making up some incredible story when actually I downplay it. Few get it, only those who've experienced a real shit blizzard.

I'm also aware that the seat of the Holy Spirit (should you invite the Holy Spirit in) is in the subconscious. I check in with the Holy Spirit many times a day via my subconscious. Since I've established a very tight and very respectful relationship with my subconscious I get feedback, and sometimes I get impelled by God to do something specific.

I have zero issues with what other faiths pursue so long as they aren't harming others in the process. Those who practice a religion which includes harming others either directly or indirectly is in league with the dark side aka the Satanists. All I know is to occupy until my Master returns, which won't be long now. Jesus told us: And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. What was going on in the days of Noah? Creation was self-destructing. Today we have creation self-destructing, specifically foisting transgenderism onto young children. God said to go forth and multiply...mutilated children are unable to follow God's commandment with respect to reproducing.

So in summary, I'm completely confident in my position with respect to the Great Creator and his loving Son, we have talks several times a day, during which I humble myself and express gratitude because I'm SUPER blessed!

I'm wondering if you don't think the Bible is God's Word, what is the basis of your belief in a theory that the earth is flat?? And how do YOU know that YOUR version is correct? And WHY do you deny the Gospel of Jesus?? Because you've read how others attack the Word of God?

[osoab]

I don't think man could possibly know the Creator or the plan. That is way above our pay grade. Knowing that there is a creator and that the plan is ever changing, that is a different thing.

As for as religions, I see them as all cults. Used to keep the masses in line and propagate group think. Once they have too many roaming free, another religion comes along to herd them back in.
All of the books are written and published by man. Do you not think they are written for the benefactors and future generation of the writers? The rest are dupes.

I am more leaning to the simulation theory. Our realm is too perfect in a sense.

Now for flat earth. I do not know how far you have delved into the questions presented.

Shape, who knows.

The sun and moon are much closer and much smaller.

Flight maps displayed over the currently used F.E. map run in nice straight lines.
These also line up with emergency landings that have been made that made no sense in the globe flight path.

We see to far. With long range digital telescopes, we are seeing objects up to 20 -50 miles further away than we should. Depends on the air at the time.

Water always maintains it's level.

I spent years looking for a good argument against. It's not there.

The worst part about it is the strawman personal attacks and sometimes outright hatred along with name calling. That only happens when you might be on target.

I would say each of our versions change everyday on many things. Up until 2014, I still had some respect for the medical industry. Up until 2020, I had some respect for vaccines. Up until 2000, I had respect for the justice system. Until I was 3-4, I believed in Santa Claus.

[midnight rambler]

I don't think man could possibly know the Creator or the plan.

I submit that's because you lack faith, suggest you seek the Lord and pray.


The worst part about it is the strawman personal attacks and sometimes outright hatred along with name calling. That only happens when you might be on target.

That can also be the result of coming across as loopy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKU5WDp4Cw

[midnight rambler]

I don't think man could possibly know the Creator or the plan.


I get input from The Source ALL the time. This input can come in the form of what I call 'course corrections', some of which I refer to as 'soft' and others 'hard'. I welcome the soft course corrections and I really, really don't care at all for the hard course corrections therefore I take pains to make sure I'm in harmony with the Lord's Plan (yes, this meaning praying and being still to listen).

George Harrison wrote about what I call course corrections in his song This is Love:

Little things that will
Change you forever
May appear from
Way out of the blue
Making fools of everybody
Who don't understand


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqWkBk2ixs8

The entire direction of my company was altered by someone sending a wrong pallet of material to a job by happenstance, as only one example. It was a VERY minor thing, seeming inconsequential to outside parties yet it caused me to completely change course for the next several years, it was a fairly major hard course correction, and extremely unpleasant. The reason it was somewhat painless, considering the extent of the damages, is that I treat my customers with Christian values and I had built up a LOT of slack (with party who took the brunt of the heat) over the course of years. What goes 'round comes 'round...do good and good things happen.

[midnight rambler]

If Jesus turns you off then may I suggest the Church of the Subgenius? Suggest you stick to the original Book of the Subgenius from 1980 and not deviate into anything else, for the past several years the Church of the Subgenius has been infiltrated by reprobates (mainly because it's so fucking cool, who doesn't want Slack?).

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?105602-I-was-smote-by-The-Stark-Fist!

[midnight rambler]

“You know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.” --1 Thessalonians 5:2

I can affirm from personal, first hand experience this is the case, death can be on you in a FLASH...ya better be ready!

[Ares]

Flat Earthers are straight up morons. I debated one in a Telegram channel. I asked for a working flat Earth model that accounted for the seasons, as well as explain why the star patterns are different. Example people living in the southern hemisphere on "globe Earth" are not able to see Orion, or the north star." People in the nothern hemisphere are not able to see the southern cross. Can you show me a flat Earth model that can explain that phenomenon?

Then it dived into name calling. It got worse when I posted a video of a flat Earth idiot attempting to prove the Earth was flat only ending up with the results that the Earth was round.

This is the result of uneducated people who know they've been lied to their whole lives and are too uneducated to do the calculations themselves. Those that do end up with a spherical model of the Earth as time and math has proven.

He attempted to say you can't prove that "globe earth" spins, and I responded with the Coriolis effect does, and has been used for long range projectile trajectories for a long time to compensate for Earth's rotation while the projectile is in flight.

I get it, we've all been lied too, but flat earthers are a whole different crowd who make trying to explain flat earth a religion all on their own.

[ziero0]

"Flat Earthers are straight up morons"

The chief engineer of Harnishfeger once told me he had to provide testimony on the stand in a product liability suit. He was coached by the company attorney to preface each statement he made with the phrase "If I understand the question then my response would be ...". He was told that if he got down from that stand with everyone there believing he was the most dumb individual who ever lived that would be the closest his company could get to winning.

Moral is acting smart is actually pretty dumb.

[osoab]

Flat Earthers are straight up morons. I debated one in a Telegram channel. I asked for a working flat Earth model that accounted for the seasons, as well as explain why the star patterns are different. Example people living in the southern hemisphere on "globe Earth" are not able to see Orion, or the north star." People in the nothern hemisphere are not able to see the southern cross. Can you show me a flat Earth model that can explain that phenomenon?

Then it dived into name calling. It got worse when I posted a video of a flat Earth idiot attempting to prove the Earth was flat only ending up with the results that the Earth was round.

This is the result of uneducated people who know they've been lied to their whole lives and are too uneducated to do the calculations themselves. Those that do end up with a spherical model of the Earth as time and math has proven.

He attempted to say you can't prove that "globe earth" spins, and I responded with the Coriolis effect does, and has been used for long range projectile trajectories for a long time to compensate for Earth's rotation while the projectile is in flight.

I get it, we've all been lied too, but flat earthers are a whole different crowd who make trying to explain flat earth a religion all on their own.

Ad Hominem attacks are not excused. I haven't seen many of the "main" flat earthers lose their cool. They are too used to it. Normally it is the globers when debating the flat earthers that spew the ad hominemns.
I have watched many viscous debate tactics from the globe side. Normally just name calling and say "NASA".

Seasons are are easy with the in and out movement of the sun within the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn.

Listening to interviews with long range navy gunners, they do not calculate any Coriolis effect. They target L.O.S. from 20-50 miles away. That does not work on the ball earth curvature. Light house are another thing. Distance seen and calculated curvature do not match.
There are not many that will go public with their names, they will get fired, demoted, ostracized.

There was a lady pilot I think from the Netherlands that went public, she lost here permit to fly. She agreed that they never nose down at cruising altitude to account for the curvature. They fly up, level off, cruise, land down.
Another engineer was threatened with his license. He went silent to stay in his profession. His videos are "Balls Out Flat Earth" I think. His channel is gone but vids are still available.

The worst part of any truther community, whether gold, Jan 6, vaccines, chemtrails, 911, JFK, etc. there are always morons joining in and thinking they are the smartest in the world now. They are too dumb to know they are dumb.
Then you have the paid shills that are there to obfuscate and peddle complete horse malarkey to those curious. It is a complete turnoff to any curious.

I looked for the best arguments for years to step back from this ledge. I am still over the ledge. Way down the rabbit hole. :)

[Ares]

Ad Hominem attacks are not excused. I haven't seen many of the "main" flat earthers lose their cool. They are too used to it. Normally it is the globers when debating the flat earthers that spew the ad hominemns.
I have watched many viscous debate tactics from the globe side. Normally just name calling and say "NASA".

Seasons are are easy with the in and out movement of the sun within the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn.

Then show a working model of it. Explaining is easy, I want an actual working model that shows it, show me actual temperature variations per sun movement over flat earth. Show me why star patterns are different per hemisphere (or regions on flat earth) and why one side cannot see patterns on the other side on flat earth. On flat earth, "north" and "South" should see the same star patterns no matter where they are standing on the surface.


Listening to interviews with long range navy gunners, they do not calculate any Coriolis effect. They target L.O.S. from 20-50 miles away. That does not work on the ball earth curvature. Light house are another thing. Distance seen and calculated curvature do not match.
There are not many that will go public with their names, they will get fired, demoted, ostracized.

Wrong, former military and I can tell you for a FACT that Corneilus effect is accounted for, at least was before missile technology. Try hitting a target 20-25 miles away with a flight time of close to a minute. Let me know how it works out without taking it into account.
Why does a projectile always deflect to the right in the northern hemisphere, but deflects to the left in the southern hemisphere? I want a flat earthers answer on that one. I still haven't gotten one, just like I haven't gotten an actual working model of the seasons that explain why only half the planet at a time experiences seasons. Globe, northern summer, southern winter and vice versa.


There was a lady pilot I think from the Netherlands that went public, she lost here permit to fly. She agreed that they never nose down at cruising altitude to account for the curvature. They fly up, level off, cruise, land down.

Why the hell would you "nose down to account for earths curvature"? That makes absolutely zero sense. The earth is massive compared to a plane, it's so small in comparison it would never have to "be nose down" to accommodate Earths curvature.




The worst part of any truther community, whether gold, Jan 6, vaccines, chemtrails, 911, JFK, etc. there are always morons joining in and thinking they are the smartest in the world now. They are too dumb to know they are dumb.
Then you have the paid shills that are there to obfuscate and peddle complete horse malarkey to those curious. It is a complete turnoff to any curious.

I looked for the best arguments for years to step back from this ledge. I am still over the ledge. Way down the rabbit hole. :)

Agreed, flat earthers are one of them. They cling to it as if it was a religion. On flat earth, why can't I stand on the top of a building on a shore on the east coast and see the lights of Europe with a telecope? I mean the Earth is flat, and water will always find the ultimate level will it not? I should be able with an 8-10 inch mirror telescope be able to see Europe, or at least lights of Europe in the night.

[Spun Gold]

Flat earthers just cannot agree on much of anything except 'the earth is flat!'. This fellow says, "...everything we know about Jesus Christ and God...doesn't apply any more* (because of what lies beyond 'the ice wall')." Just to 7:20 in this video to hear that bit of wisdom from someone who's apparently an authority on what's beyond 'the ice wall.'

*just one example of why I think this is a psyop to drive the unsaved away from Christianity

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RdnLy0QjNNib/

I think the globe earth, the big bang, the theory of evolution, fears of comets asteroids and solar flares are all psyops
to drive people away from Christ
and from feeling their lives have meaning purpose and are meaningful to God.

[midnight rambler]

I think the globe earth...(is a) psyop

I submit that the 'flat earth theory*' is a psyop promulgated by the usual suspects to discredit Christianity. Think about it - when witnessing to someone who has no clue whatsoever about Jesus and they've heard their entire lives that the earth is a planet, the moment one mentions 'flat earth' one has lost ALL credibility with the soul that is in need of hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The conclusion would be: "Those Christians are totally wacky! They believe the earth is flat! (and I know that's wrong because all I've ever heard is that the earth is a planet)."

Not good. Essentially the lost are driven away from the Lord because they perceive that Christians have very bizarre, weird beliefs which don't jibe with their own experience. I view it as a very dangerous psyop. Now I have a handful of friends who buy into this 'theory' - not a single one can answer the questions Ares has posed. That really makes no difference to me because the folks I know espousing this 'theory' are not proselytizing. The problem I have is with those proselytizing that the earth is flat and trying to connect that notion to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and driving souls away from our Lord.

*let's see the evidence that Ares has asked for!

[midnight rambler]

BTW, FWIW IMO we're in a sim so IRDGAF, you can believe the earth is a Möbius strip for all I care, if that's what makes you happy. The issue is driving souls away from The Source because of wackiness. 'Flat earth theory' is a fucking distraction from what folks need to be doing - JMO.

[midnight rambler]

Upon further reflection, I've concluded this 'theory' is more than a distraction, it's an energy sink, a means of sucking the energy out of us.

[Ares]

Upon further reflection, I've concluded this 'theory' is more than a distraction, it's an energy sink, a means of sucking the energy out of us.

Agreed, it's an energy sinkhole where people spend literally their lives debating it with this false imagination. Flat Earth Dave is one of those people. I saw him get owned during a debate with "professor Dave", and flat Earth Dave literally couldn't answer the question.

It's an entire promulgation of backwards thinking.

I'm a logical thinker, so I can understand why people believe in flat Earth. We've all been lied to our entire lives, so these people question everything including Earth being spherical, but society in general has done such a disservice to them with education, rational thinking, logic, that they do not even possess the skills necessary to even do rudimentary calculations and simple observations.

Being a "globe Earther" I would never use NASA to explain anything. They're proven liars, but I do my own calculations and research and I can make logical observations without using a 3rd party.

[ziero0]

"I do my own calculations and research and I can make logical observations without using a 3rd party."

Calculations and logic. These are the tools used by the mind to construct reality. Hobbes considers the existence of sound using a bell and clapper. The clapper striking the bell does not produce sound. It produces pressure waves. Those pressure waves hit an ear moving the ear drum. It is still not a sound. The eardrum mechanism converts the movement to electrical pulses. There is still no sound. When the electrical pulses are analyzed by the brain only then is sound produced. The brain produces sound rather than the bell/clapper. So it is with whatever concept of Earth you can think of.

[Ares]

"I do my own calculations and research and I can make logical observations without using a 3rd party."

Calculations and logic. These are the tools used by the mind to construct reality. Hobbes considers the existence of sound using a bell and clapper. The clapper striking the bell does not produce sound. It produces pressure waves. Those pressure waves hit an ear moving the ear drum. It is still not a sound. The eardrum mechanism converts the movement to electrical pulses. There is still no sound. When the electrical pulses are analyzed by the brain only then is sound produced. The brain produces sound rather than the bell/clapper. So it is with whatever concept of Earth you can think of.

To a limited sense, the data has to match the observation.

Example being unable to see the southern cross from the northern hemisphere on globe earth is explainable. Not being able to see it on flat earth is not.

[ziero0]

To a limited sense, the data has to match the observation.

Example being unable to see the southern cross from the northern hemisphere on globe earth is explainable. Not being able to see it on flat earth is not.

Earth may be said to be flat because you directly observe (with one of your senses ...eyesight) that part of Earth which appears to you flat.

You cannot see space or even its filler (Air). But you theorize that space exists. You think space is linear but what if it is curvable when mass is present. Now you can theorize a flat Earth but occupying curved space. Visualize it as a flat piece of paper after your first has crumpled it into a ball. Is it flat? Is it round?

Your observations and logic are your own. My observations and logic are the product of my conscious mind. My subconscious knows the truth but it ain't talking.

[Ares]

Earth may be said to be flat because you directly observe (with one of your senses ...eyesight) that part of Earth which appears to you flat.

You cannot see space or even its filler (Air). But you theorize that space exists. You think space is linear but what if it is curvable when mass is present. Now you can theorize a flat Earth but occupying curved space. Visualize it as a flat piece of paper after your first has crumpled it into a ball. Is it flat? Is it round?

Your observations and logic are your own. My observations and logic are the product of my conscious mind. My subconscious knows the truth but it ain't talking.

Again no explanation for why the southern cross is not visible for those who live in the Northern hemisphere on globe earth. In a flat plain the night sky would be visible to ALL, curved round a flat object or not.

In the same theorization the Polaris star (north star) would be even more visible to everyone if the Earth was a flat plain. It's due north to those in the north, but is invisible to those in the south, or "outer edges" of flat earth, all they would have to do is look up and should see it if space was curved around a flat plain.

You can try twisting this simple logic, but it doesn't negate the fact that star patterns are different per hemisphere on globe earth, when they would not be if it was flat.

There are so many other OBSERVABLE datasets showing the Earth to be round. Flat earthers can't explain it, or just fail to even look at it.

Like I said, a religion all on its own.

[ziero0]

Again no explanation for why the southern cross is not visible for those who live in the Northern hemisphere on globe earth. In a flat plain the night sky would be visible to ALL, curved round a flat object or not.

In the same theorization the Polaris star (north star) would be even more visible to everyone if the Earth was a flat plain. It's due north to those in the north, but is invisible to those in the south, or "outer edges" of flat earth, all they would have to do is look up and should see it if space was curved around a flat plain.

You can try twisting this simple logic, but it doesn't negate the fact that star patterns are different per hemisphere on globe earth, when they would not be if it was flat.

Light travels through space.

Space is curved.

You observe a fish. You hold a spear. You strike at where the fish appears. But light travels slower in water than air and the fish is not where it appears. This is proof that water is curved.

[Ares]

Light travels through space.

Space is curved.

You observe a fish. You hold a spear. You strike at where the fish appears. But light travels slower in water than air and the fish is not where it appears. This is proof that water is curved.

Nice try, that's not how this works. Nor does it explain why the north star is not visible to all as its dead center north. There is no amount of light curvature that will explain why the north star is not visible to all who live on a flat plain.

[midnight rambler]

An object in orbit around a sphere follows a sine wave. Objects orbiting planet earth can be tracked and observed following sine wave paths over continents. One can predict when/where an object in orbit will pass overhead using sine waves. Sine waves (trigonometry) and flat earth theory are incompatible.

Math wins.

[ziero0]

Nice try, that's not how this works. Nor does it explain why the north star is not visible to all as its dead center north. There is no amount of light curvature that will explain why the north star is not visible to all who live on a flat plain.

Space is curved around a black hole too. It is black because no light escapes it.

Evidence is something. Lack of something is not evidence.

I am worth a million dollars. I just can't produce it. See ....NO EVIDENCE.

[ziero0]

An object in orbit around a sphere follows a sine wave. Objects orbiting planet earth can be tracked and observed following sine wave paths over continents. One can predict when/where an object in orbit will pass overhead using sine waves. Sine waves (trigonometry) and flat earth theory are incompatible.

Math wins.

A cylindrical coordinate system is a three-dimensional coordinate system that specifies point positions by the distance from a chosen reference axis, the direction from the axis relative to a chosen reference direction, and the distance from a chosen reference plane perpendicular to the axis.

[Spectrism]

Would someone care to explain how a gyroscope works? Why does the gyroscope remain stable on a globe that is spinning?

[osoab]

Would someone care to explain how a gyroscope works? Why does the gyroscope remain stable on a globe that is spinning?

Good to see you around Spectrism

[woodman]

Would someone care to explain how a gyroscope works? Why does the gyroscope remain stable on a globe that is spinning?
Gravity and angular momentum. The fact that the Earth spins negates neither. Bicycles work too; amazing!

[Spectrism]

Gravity and angular momentum. The fact that the Earth spins negates neither. Bicycles work too; amazing!

So, what you are saying is that as long as when the gyroscope is started or calibrated, and it stays in that level of gravity and angular momentum with the same attitude & vector, then it does not see the earth rotation?

Then tell me how an airplane can fly 3000 miles over a curved surface and not register that it made that curve?

btw, what is gravity?

[osoab]

btw, what is gravity?


A theory...

[Ares]

So, what you are saying is that as long as when the gyroscope is started or calibrated, and it stays in that level of gravity and angular momentum with the same attitude & vector, then it does not see the earth rotation?

Then tell me how an airplane can fly 3000 miles over a curved surface and not register that it made that curve?

btw, what is gravity?

Planes fly at a given altitude which is maintained by the pilot. Typically, around 35,000 to 43,000 feet depending on aircraft.

Tell me why can't people in the northern hemisphere (inner region on flat Earth) see the southern cross and why those in the outer regions (southern hemisphere) can't see the north star?

Curved space isn't an explanation, I could care less what Palani says, he's lost in his own imagination. I want answers. If anyone is going to claim 1000 years of immutable and explainable data is wrong, then I want to see better data and explanation.

A working model would be nice, tell me why long exposure of the night sky shows the stars spinning in a counterclockwise rotation in the northern hemisphere while long exposure in the southern hemisphere shows a clockwise rotation. Can you explain that with a flat earth model?

[ziero0]

"the stars spinning in a counterclockwise rotation while long exposure in the southern hemisphere shows a clockwise rotation"

Clocks in the southern hemisphere need to run backwards and then clockwise and counterclockwise will have a different definition depending on which side of the equator you find yourself on. Of course if you are standing directly on the equator a clock will not move in order that this paradox be removed.

[osoab]

Nice try, that's not how this works. Nor does it explain why the north star is not visible to all as its dead center north. There is no amount of light curvature that will explain why the north star is not visible to all who live on a flat plain.

We can only see so far and light fades over distance. You cannot stand on the coast of California and see Hawaii.

[Ares]

We can only see so far and light fades over distance. You cannot stand on the coast of California and see Hawaii.

A photon has no known limit for distance it can travel, so that is flat out wrong. Our ability to see light over farther and farther distance fades is true its only because of the biological limitations of our eyes, which can easily be overcome with telescopes.

With that knowledge, that goes back to my question earlier. If I have an 8 to 10 inch mirror telescope which should even with taking the inverse square law into consideration be able to detect light from Europe at night on the East coast.

So, why can't light from Europe be seen on the East coast at night?


I'm asking logical questions and haven't even brought into this discussion at all the mathematics involved showing why flat earth is a practical impossibility.

Not to mention the Sun / Moon floating model over flat Earth just doesn't work as people at different points on Earth would see different faces of the moon.

[Ares]

To the Flat Earthers here, Flat Earther Jeran Campanella proved globe Earth in his own experiment, which has been proven MULTIPLE times since 1836 the results are the same every time this experiment is attempted.

https://scoop.upworthy.com/documentary-clip-shows-flat-earther-accidentally-prove-earth-round-560712

I can't believe out of all places we have to debate this non-sense even here. That the Earth is flat is even debatable is ridiculous.

[ziero0]

"why can't light from Europe be seen on the East coast at night?"
Europe light operates on 50 hz. Our eyes are tuned to 60 hz light. I suppose that is why Europe has difficulty dealing with the Dark Ages.

[osoab]

To the Flat Earthers here, Flat Earther Jeran Campanella proved globe Earth in his own experiment, which has been proven MULTIPLE times since 1836 the results are the same every time this experiment is attempted.

https://scoop.upworthy.com/documentary-clip-shows-flat-earther-accidentally-prove-earth-round-560712

I can't believe out of all places we have to debate this non-sense even here. That the Earth is flat is even debatable is ridiculous.

Completely taken out of context with fine editing. I have you listened to Jeran talk about this since this "movie".

[ziero0]

To the Flat Earthers here, Flat Earther Jeran Campanella proved globe Earth in his own experiment, which has been proven MULTIPLE times since 1836 the results are the same every time this experiment is attempted.

https://scoop.upworthy.com/documentary-clip-shows-flat-earther-accidentally-prove-earth-round-560712

I can't believe out of all places we have to debate this non-sense even here. That the Earth is flat is even debatable is ridiculous.

Nonsense. His experiment can be explained by the curvature of SPACE.

[Ares]

Completely taken out of context with fine editing. I have you listened to Jeran talk about this since this "movie".

Right.... out of context. :rolleyes:

[woodman]

There is no point in debating this any longer. Flat earthers will believe what they want and physics will not deter them. The fact that drain water swirls in different directions on either side of the equator is meaningless to them.

[ziero0]

There is no point in debating this any longer. Flat earthers will believe what they want and physics will not deter them. The fact that drain water swirls in different directions on either side of the equator is meaningless to them.

Where is the fun in that? And sh*t flows downhill no matter which side of the equator you happen to find yourself on.

[Spectrism]

Planes fly at a given altitude which is maintained by the pilot. Typically, around 35,000 to 43,000 feet depending on aircraft.

Tell me why can't people in the northern hemisphere (inner region on flat Earth) see the southern cross and why those in the outer regions (southern hemisphere) can't see the north star?

Curved space isn't an explanation, I could care less what Palani says, he's lost in his own imagination. I want answers. If anyone is going to claim 1000 years of immutable and explainable data is wrong, then I want to see better data and explanation.

A working model would be nice, tell me why long exposure of the night sky shows the stars spinning in a counterclockwise rotation in the northern hemisphere while long exposure in the southern hemisphere shows a clockwise rotation. Can you explain that with a flat earth model?

First, I am not here to explain anything or convince you of anything. We are in days of grand delusion and it is going to get much worse. The only defense is to hold onto truth above all else in this world.

Next, I have a strong bias. Yes, I am biased and willing to acknowledge that in my quest for truth. My bias is that I trust nothing from my government, NASA, corporations, schools... all the key leadership of our institutions. I cannot ever just accept that they are trustworthy. After all, they hate humans and want most of us dead.

When you say the northern hemisphere is spinning counterclockwise, but the southern is clockwise, doesn't that depend on where you put the clock? Or, it depends on your orientation. Are you facing north on both occasions?

I am not saying the earth is flat, spherical, curved or anything, since I have not figured out (not that I tried) how to actually test it myself on a large enough scale.

My lack of trust is based on many good and reasonable questions. Why do we have none, zero, nothing- of photographs of earth from outer space?

Why do we have an obviously faked moon landing?

Why do we "know" about van Allen radiation belts and their complete hazard to any life, yet we claim astronauts go through them without shielding?

What is the truth about operation high jump?

Why did operation fish bowl take place and what did they discover?

What are the full effects of atmospheric lensing & filtering?

Why don't gyroscopes work when we talk about a spherical earth, but they work fine for assumptions of a flat earth?

[ziero0]

"they hate humans and want most of us dead"

Hue-Man is color of man. Man was never intended to survive Hue-Man-ism but I don't believe I would blindly embrace being part of the process. If you want an alternative they don't appear to have declared all out war on us meat-popsicles yet

[Ares]

First, I am not here to explain anything or convince you of anything. We are in days of grand delusion and it is going to get much worse. The only defense is to hold onto truth above all else in this world.

Next, I have a strong bias. Yes, I am biased and willing to acknowledge that in my quest for truth. My bias is that I trust nothing from my government, NASA, corporations, schools... all the key leadership of our institutions. I cannot ever just accept that they are trustworthy. After all, they hate humans and want most of us dead.

When you say the northern hemisphere is spinning counterclockwise, but the southern is clockwise, doesn't that depend on where you put the clock? Or, it depends on your orientation. Are you facing north on both occasions?

I am not saying the earth is flat, spherical, curved or anything, since I have not figured out (not that I tried) how to actually test it myself on a large enough scale.

My lack of trust is based on many good and reasonable questions. Why do we have none, zero, nothing- of photographs of earth from outer space?

Why do we have an obviously faked moon landing?

Why do we "know" about van Allen radiation belts and their complete hazard to any life, yet we claim astronauts go through them without shielding?

What is the truth about operation high jump?

Why did operation fish bowl take place and what did they discover?

What are the full effects of atmospheric lensing & filtering?

Why don't gyroscopes work when we talk about a spherical earth, but they work fine for assumptions of a flat earth?

And just like my questions continue to go unanswered by literally everyone I feel no need to answer yours.

[osoab]

There is no point in debating this any longer. Flat earthers will believe what they want and physics will not deter them. The fact that drain water swirls in different directions on either side of the equator is meaningless to them.

This one depends on how the bowl was formed. Have you seen that explanation. I won't be flippant and bring up the Simpon's episode...

[monty]

Why is the Orion constellation upside down in Rancagua Chile?

[ziero0]

Why is the Orion constellation upside down in Rancagua Chile?

Are you observing the constellation simultaneously from both locations? Or are you comparing past memory with current observation? Or are you relying on two different observers communicating by radio or internet?

If memory is involved have you accounted for the Mandela Effect? If two observers do you know for a fact one isn't doing a handstand?

[Neuro]

btw, what is gravity?
No matter what you believe about it, it works predictably…

[monty]

Are you observing the constellation simultaneously from both locations? Or are you comparing past memory with current observation? Or are you relying on two different observers communicating by radio or internet?

If memory is involved have you accounted for the Mandela Effect? If two observers do you know for a fact one isn't doing a handstand?

I am comparing from past memory. No accounting for Mandela Effect.

[ziero0]

I am comparing from past memory. No accounting for Mandela Effect.

Observation modifies outcome. Memories are faulty and can be modified by belief. Logic based on memory and observation is suspect. Then the conscious mind expects to be lied to and actions are based on belief rather than truth. Alternate theories are nothing more than that ...theories. Just as what others view as established facts are actually their theories or the theories implanted in them by others.

[monty]

Nothing to see here Live stream Video of Planet Earth





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ)



132 watching now Started streaming on Mar 8, 2022 #earthfromspace (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/earthfromspace) #spacestation (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/spacestation) #earth
(https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/earth)
A series of unique and beautiful recorded views of planet Earth captured from 240 miles above it. We look down on our planet along with the astronauts aboard the ISS Earth From Space Live Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86YLF... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86YLFOog4GM&t=0s) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Watch our latest video - The Sun - Incredible Close Up Of Our Star https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuHA... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUuHA9WbVCY&t=0s) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A wonderful relaxing view - sit back and enjoy the spectacular awe of planet Earth These recorded videos offer a unique and spectacular view of our home - the majority of these videos will not be found elsewhere and were created especially for Space VIdeos. #earthfromspace (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/earthfromspace) #spacestation (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/spacestation) #earth (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/earth)

[ziero0]

Nothing to see here Live stream Video of Planet Earth





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qQZbTF8iQ)


And of course just because the moon landings are fake they wouldn't dare fake an image of the Earth.

[osoab]

No matter you feelings on the subject, this thread has become a top ten thread in the 1st 10 pages of threads in General Discussion. Amazing.

[monty]

And of course just because the moon landings are fake they wouldn't dare fake an image of the Earth.

I have considered that possibility.

None the less it is an interesting video

Edit: I have often wondered how is it possible to have sufficient oxygen, water food heat etc. for astronauts to live for an extended amount of time on the ISS. Also is it above or below the Van Allen Radiation Belt?





http://youtu.be/GNXsZEvhy9I

https://youtu.be/GNXsZEvhy9I





http://youtu.be/SGP6Y0Pnhe4

https://youtu.be/SGP6Y0Pnhe4 (https://youtu.be/GNXsZEvhy9I)

[ziero0]

The Nashville shooting did not occur on Flat Earth. Neither did hundreds of other false flag events. These all are reported to occur on spherical Earth. Just ask any reporter where they are reporting from.

[ziero0]

When did sunrise occur this morning? That is when did the sun peek over the horizon? If you are on spherical Earth the answer is complicated. On Flat Earth sunrise defines 6 a.m. and The abbreviation a.m. stands for the Latin phrase ante meridiem which means “before noon.”. The meridian you are on is defined by noon and is when the Sun is overhead. Then sunset defines 6 p.m. (post meridian). Time between these events in hours are determined by sun dial. An hour is not a standard measure of time. Hours vary in duration. Yet there is no discontinuity that needs adjustment in the middle of the ocean.

When you standardize time trains run on schedule, stores open on time, commerce functions and sunrise/sunset only matter when you need to know if the headlights should be on. Uppers help you wake up and downers put you to bed. All this because you need to know precisely when McDonald's stops serving McGriddles.

[osoab]

https://twitter.com/ronin19217435/status/1640666914539151361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1640666914539151361%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.godlikeproductions.com%2F forum1%2Fmessage5395297%2Fpg1

[ImaCannin]

If the sun is millions of miles away, why are the clouds in front and behind it?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4qhdWDiMP7oO/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EFuOzRnvBcXc/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/E7B1auuQm85C/


The Book of Enoch talks about the sun and moon being a light, the sun being brighter.

[Ares]

If the sun is millions of miles away, why are the clouds in front and behind it?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/4qhdWDiMP7oO/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/EFuOzRnvBcXc/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/E7B1auuQm85C/


The Book of Enoch talks about the sun and moon being a light, the sun being brighter.

Optical illusions from people on the ground with a SINGLE vantage point, i.e. looking UP.

Care to explain how a Coronal Mass Ejection works with a "sun in the clouds"? :rolleyes:

Or better yet, since commercial airlines fly thousands of feet higher than clouds, can you get me a picture or video of someone from said aircraft looking down at the sun? :rolleyes:

I swear common sense and just plain logic are completely ignored by flat earthers.

[midnight rambler]

Optical illusions from people on the ground with a SINGLE vantage point, i.e. looking UP.

Care to explain how a Coronal Mass Ejection works with a "sun in the clouds"? :rolleyes:

Or better yet, since commercial airlines fly thousands of feet higher than clouds, can you get me a picture or video of someone from said aircraft looking down at the sun? :rolleyes:

I swear common sense and just plain logic are completely ignored by flat earthers.

I like the flat earther video I saw the other day explaining how the clouds in front of the moon were illuminated from THIS side of the clouds (as observed from the ground). Flat earthers will latch onto ANYTHING! lol

[ziero0]

Joe Biden isn't president in Flat Earth. Does that sweeten the pot?

[Spectrism]

All you flat-earth deniers need to do is simply show me photographs of earth from outer space. With all the missions sent out, you would think it is not so hard... but we find it is impossible. Why is that?

[ziero0]

All you flat-earth deniers need to do is simply show me photographs of earth from outer space. With all the missions sent out, you would think it is not so hard... but we find it is impossible. Why is that?

Why are you presuming space travel isn't done with mirrors?

[Ares]

All you flat-earth deniers need to do is simply show me photographs of earth from outer space. With all the missions sent out, you would think it is not so hard... but we find it is impossible. Why is that?

That's been done multiple times. Hell you can look up Bing, Yahoo, Google, etc. and look for Earth from space images. Even from the international Space station.

Flat Earthers just deny it and state that all the nations that have gone to space are just liars perpetuating a con.

https://gprivate.com/64gaq

Here, feel free to search and lay out all of the conspiracies of why the images are fake.

[ziero0]

Helps to know a little set theory when reading the following. Sets are collections of objects that share certain traits. The symbol at the beginning represents all the elements in the set, the squiggly brackets are the boundary markers, x is any individual element in the set and the colon is read "such that" followed by a description of the trait discussed.

A = { x : an event real or imagined } describes the set of all events that might be discussed

B = { x : a real event } and C = { x : an imaginary event } are subsets of the first set and the union of these two subsets will equal A. The intersection of B and C is the null set (signifying that all events can be classified either real or imagined).

D = { x : an event past}
E = { x : an event present }
F = { x : an event future }

Now the moon landing and the Boston marathon bombing are elements of sets D and A. Either event may be considered a member of B or C but at this point we really have insufficient evidence to assign a B/C determination. But we can rule out these as belonging to sets E or F. The reason is our senses determine our present and our imaginations create our future.

All future events may be assigned to sets C and F. These events are speculation. Global warming is such an event.

The events you have to worry about are B/E events. A tornado at your front door is a B/E. A hurricane, a fire, your car having an accident while you are driving is a B/E. Putin knocking on your door announcing he wants to be your friend is a B/E.

You broke your arm 30 years ago. This is a B/C member. It was real and you can still feel the bump.

A Flat Earth is a mathematical concept that involves geometry. Think of a pyramid. This is a three dimensional object (and maybe more). When viewed from directly below it appears as a 2d square object. FLAT Now imagine there is a point in space where a sphere may be observed where it appears FLAT. Anywhere on the surface would fit this concept. Above it appears as a sphere. Below the surface and you become part of the object.


G = { x : it occupies a position on the surface of a sphere }.

G represents any object real or imagined that is not above or below the surface that defines the sphere. G describes a Flat Earther's view. The Living belong to G. The Dead do not. Their view is from 6 ft below the surface and they become Earth.

Biden isn't president on Flat Earth. Just ask him. His view is Earth is a sphere. He is saying he is above the Earth and not on the Earth. His view is from somewhere off in space. The perfect definition of an ALIEN!

[Spectrism]

That's been done multiple times. Hell you can look up Bing, Yahoo, Google, etc. and look for Earth from space images. Even from the international Space station.

Flat Earthers just deny it and state that all the nations that have gone to space are just liars perpetuating a con.

https://gprivate.com/64gaq

Here, feel free to search and lay out all of the conspiracies of why the images are fake.

First, the space station is NOT outer space. It is near earth orbit, not unlike what helium balloons do. The link you posted is showing pics which are staged/edited to fit the narrative. Where are the stars in any of them? The curved edge of the earth matches the curve of the straight arms of the station, which means the earth curve is a lens artifact.

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/tt1_0718931263_ega1_earth_moon.png


Here is one supposedly from the Apollo 17 mission to moon landing.
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/apollo_17_blue_marble_photo_dec_7_1972_as17-148-22727.jpg

Where are the stars? If they actually had stars, we could triangulate positions. Very hard to get them exact without high power computers. It is not a photo. Geometry. If Africa and the Indian Ocean take up half the earth surface, how do you fit North America, the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean on the other side?

Here is another of that vintage... no color. Hmm... was the other one "color-added"?
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/fd2_opnav_art001e000013_orig.jpg

Again, where are the stars?

Here is one of Lucy... how cute using a shortened name for Lucifer.
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_feature/public/thumbnails/image/tt1_0718931263_ega1_earth_moon.png

Again, where are the stars?

When the astro-nots were asked about seeing stars while on the moon, the answer given was: "I don't remember seeing any." LOL... of course not when they are in a filming studio.

Show me ONE picture you think is legitimate of earth... not a near earth photo, but go out at least half way to moon... which is supposedly around 275,000 miles away.

Do a search of space, stars, moon... photos... MOST of them are "artist renderings" or copy-paste-paint... raw photos seem to be a rarity.

I can take pics of moon and sky with a cheap camera and see stars & Mars, Jupiter, Venus, constellations... but for some reason, the NASA pics have no stars. You have to start wondering how much of Hubble pics are CGI. Most of those are obvious composites at best.

[Spectrism]

It seems they have been scrubbing the internet of most of their early "photograph" blunders. The liars are hiding their obvious lies.

See anything wrong with this photograph?
https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/2-earth-from-space-nasa.jpg

I remember for the longest time (1990s and earlier) that this was the only picture used in so many publications. I wondered why Africa?
Maybe you can figure it out.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/10/19/epic_1b_20151017091526_00_custom-d6787f981c4a595731b6b81ed7321cfd49ac29eb-s1200.png

[keehah]

space.com: Geocentric model: The Earth-centered view of the universe (https://www.space.com/geocentric-model)

December 17, 2021
According to a 2012 survey conducted by the National Science Foundation of 2,200 people in the United States, when asked "does the Earth go around the sun, or does the sun go around Earth?" a quarter answered incorrectly.

This antiquated view was once our only perspective of the cosmos. The ancient Greeks were the first to suggest a geocentric view of the universe. According to NASA, Eudoxus was the first to create a model of the geocentric universe around 380 BCE. Aristotle then came up with a more detailed geocentric model, which was later refined by Claudius Ptolemaeus (also known as Ptolemy) in his treatise Almagest, which was released in the 2nd century CE according to the Mathematical Association of America...

Despite the complexity of the model, this view was widely accepted for many years. And most of the time the model worked.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?87032-Flat-Earth-PsyOp-Trending-on-BeforeItsNews (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?87032-Flat-Earth-PsyOp-Trending-on-BeforeItsNews&highlight=christianity+marxism)

academic.oup.com: CHAPTER 2 The Talmudic View of the Universe (https://academic.oup.com/book/1751/chapter-abstract/141387578?redirectedFrom=fulltext)

May 2013
This chapter describes the talmudic model of the universe. The rabbis of the Talmud believed that the world was flat, and that the sun revolved around the Earth every day. There is a debate about the length of the solar year in the Talmud, and its consequences and the rare Jewish ceremony of the Blessing of the Sun (Birkat Hahammah) are discussed. The view of the talmudic rabbis is contrasted with that of the contemporary Greek astronomers. While the rabbis of the Talmud argued about the size of the flat Earth, the Greeks had determined the Earth to be a sphere, had calculated its circumference and had moved on to consider other questions.
wikipedia.org: Biblical cosmology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology)

The ancient Israelites envisaged the universe as a flat disc-shaped Earth floating on water, heaven above, underworld below. Humans inhabited Earth during life and the underworld after death; there was no way that mortals could enter heaven, and the underworld was morally neutral...

The idea that the Earth was a sphere was developed by the Greeks in the 6th century BCE, and by the 3rd century BCE this was generally accepted by educated Romans and Greeks and even by some Jews.

[osoab]

Fidelito is fascinated by us.
Skip to 1:08:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0UCoTEZCAQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0UCoTEZCAQ

[midnight rambler]

No, he's exploiting flat earther antics as a distraction and as a means of discrediting anyone saying/writing anything which is in contrast to the official narrative. They have a term for such people who provide cover for the usual suspects - useful idiots.

[Spectrism]

I ask for real photographs and I get:
1. Cry baby answers of "they are everywhere"
2. References to different models
3. Diversions with Talmud crap, and feigned history lessons
4. Aspersions of false conspiracies to sidetrack the brilliant independent true thinkers (sarc)

I will leave you with this: YOU have the power of choice and with your choices you get consequences which you have NO power over. Each false choice you make leads you deeper into a hole. With pride and careful false direction you will be unable to see the truth, and delusion will be given to you so that you can believe the lies you cherish.... all the while you think you are doing good.

[midnight rambler]

I can make a much better case the earth is a toroid* than your case that's it flat.

Kindly explain why Polaris cannot be seen far south and why the Southern Cross cannot be seen far north, as well as why the stars rotate in opposite directions north vs. south. You flat earth zombies have NO explanation for that.

*the torus is nature's perfectly balanced dynamic energy flow process, tori are found everywhere in nature so there's every reason to believe that the earth is toroid...this would account for 'inner earth' (as well as in harmony with Admiral Byrd's observations) AND the heavens rotating in opposite directions N and S, as well as why a BS 'flat earth theory' has been propagated, to confuse everyone and distract them from the truth of a toroid earth

[Ares]

I can make a much better case the earth is a toroid* than your case that's it flat.

Kindly explain why Polaris cannot be seen far south and why the Southern Cross cannot be seen far north, as well as why the stars rotate in opposite directions north vs. south. You flat earth zombies have NO explanation for that.

*the torus is nature's perfectly balanced dynamic energy flow process, tori are found everywhere in nature so there's every reason to believe that the earth is toroid...this would account for 'inner earth' (as well as in harmony with Admiral Byrd's observations) AND the heavens rotating in opposite directions N and S, as well as why a BS 'flat earth theory' has been propagated, to confuse everyone and distract them from the truth of a toroid earth

Sums up quite nicely, but will get ignored. Somehow all of the other nations that have been to the ISS are a bunch of liars and any pictures they post are fakes.

But no WORKING flat earth map, or even a single explanation of why southern cross cannot be seen from the north, or why north star (Polaris) cannot be seen by those in the south.

Stars rotate in the direction that would be expected depending on the viewers orientation, (North - counter clockwise, South - Clockwise)

I gave up commenting after Spectrism did what I knew he would do, which is call pictures taken from many different countries all fakes and staged.

You can't reason with anyone who lives in a fantasy realm and refuses to face reality.

[ziero0]

Think. I know it is difficult. Causes headaches.

In the PRESENT time you only use your 5 senses.

You don't use LOGIC.

You don't use MEMORY.

You don't rely on the NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

Which of your 5 senses ALONE tell you that you are standing on a sphere?

[Ares]

Think. I know it is difficult. Causes headaches.

In the PRESENT time you only use your 5 senses.

You don't use LOGIC.

You don't use MEMORY.

You don't rely on the NATIONAL ENQUIRER.

Which of your 5 senses ALONE tell you that you are standing on a sphere?

Thinking is something you should probably do a little more of and come back with a more coherent explanation.

[ziero0]

Thinking is something you should probably do a little more of and come back with a more coherent explanation.

Ok. Then how about everything you see, hear, taste, touch and smell is created in your mind.

A = { X : It can be imagined by your mind }

Is your wife a member of set A?

Is the Earth a member of set A?

Now that being settled what geometric shape do you assign a mental image? And if you can figure out what shape then how important is that classification?

What GENDER is your wife?

What GENDER is the EARTH?

What GENDER is the thought you had when reading this?

[Ares]

Ok. Then how about everything you see, hear, taste, touch and smell is created in your mind.

A = { X : It can be imagined by your mind }

Is your wife a member of set A?

Is the Earth a member of set A?

Now that being settled what geometric shape do you assign a mental image? And if you can figure out what shape then how important is that classification?

What GENDER is your wife?

What GENDER is the EARTH?

What GENDER is the thought you had when reading this?

And NONE of this is even remotely a coherent thought experiment with regards to flat earth..

[midnight rambler]

Which of your 5 senses ALONE tell you that you are standing on a sphere?

My sense of touch as well as my 6th and 7th senses indicate to me that I'm attracted to a toroid (a toroid earth explains 'gravity').

Additionally I think that there are cave systems around the earth which can provide access to the inner earth.

[Spectrism]

I can make a much better case the earth is a toroid* than your case that's it flat.

Kindly explain why Polaris cannot be seen far south and why the Southern Cross cannot be seen far north, as well as why the stars rotate in opposite directions north vs. south. You flat earth zombies have NO explanation for that.

*the torus is nature's perfectly balanced dynamic energy flow process, tori are found everywhere in nature so there's every reason to believe that the earth is toroid...this would account for 'inner earth' (as well as in harmony with Admiral Byrd's observations) AND the heavens rotating in opposite directions N and S, as well as why a BS 'flat earth theory' has been propagated, to confuse everyone and distract them from the truth of a toroid earth

First, where did I make a case for flat earth? I haven't even started!! All I did was show you that your ONLY evidence for a sphere is from lying agencies of government. I asked you, since you are so sold out to the the liars, to prove it on your own or show pictures that are real PHOTOGRAPHS from outer space (50,000-150,000 miles) of the entire "globe". Since the moon is approx (per their claims) 250,000 miles away, even that would be nice... a pic of earth from the moon. Since the earth is bigger than the moon, it should take up a good chunk of sky, not like the little fake moon shot published, and missing stars.

You are really letting me down. I credited you to be smarter than this.

[ziero0]

What is the gender of a torroid?

What taste do you assign a sphere?

[Spectrism]

This video shows two things-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hffevu88I0M

First- YouToob/Google has to denounce flat earth concepts just like they did for vaxx warnings, political narratives, and other protected lies they harbor.

Secondly, something that most don't consider- atmospheric lensing. As an object or light source moves further away above the "atmosphere", which is increasing density as it gets closer to earth, we see it as if it is moving along the surface of a convex lens above us.

[Spectrism]

What is the gender of a torroid?

What taste do you assign a sphere?

Same as you hyperkitty.... three dimensional zero.

[Spectrism]

Sums up quite nicely, but will get ignored. Somehow all of the other nations that have been to the ISS are a bunch of liars and any pictures they post are fakes.

But no WORKING flat earth map, or even a single explanation of why southern cross cannot be seen from the north, or why north star (Polaris) cannot be seen by those in the south.

Stars rotate in the direction that would be expected depending on the viewers orientation, (North - counter clockwise, South - Clockwise)

I gave up commenting after Spectrism did what I knew he would do, which is call pictures taken from many different countries all fakes and staged.

You can't reason with anyone who lives in a fantasy realm and refuses to face reality.

You just described yourself. No wonder this place has become a ghost town. Brain drain has left the dummies.

[Spectrism]

Atmospheric lensing example.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LwuCC1RXus

[Ares]

You just described yourself. No wonder this place has become a ghost town. Brain drain has left the dummies.

So why do the stars rotate as expected per hemisphere? Why can no one in the north see the southern cross in the south and they cannot see Polaris?

Come on Spectrism, you really think we're the ones that are living in a fantasy here? This is OBSERVABLE REPEATABLE data and can easily be explained by a spherical shape.

I generally don't use NASA as they're known liars, why I linked to other space agencies in a previous response before you replied with the typical drivel of a flat earther denouncing everything without actual proof of anything.

[ziero0]

Same as you hyperkitty.... three dimensional zero.

Why limit yourself to a cartesian system?

[Spectrism]

So why do the stars rotate as expected per hemisphere? Why can no one in the north see the southern cross in the south and they cannot see Polaris?

I think I already said I have no stake in this argument. But... because of the liars profoundly declaring one thing and denying another, I have to side in favor of the anti-liars.

So, that is my bias. And the more I check into it, the more it seems the right answer. Not an easy answer, but the right one.

I don't know what you are asking. The stars do seem to move overhead from east to west. From a globalist perspective, this is what it looks like: the world spinning. What if the earth really is the center of the universe? What if you went into a large room and sat in a chair and the whole room went turning around you? How would you know whether you are spinning or the entire room and maybe the building? It depends on the creator, doesn't it?

Have you never been fishing? In crystal clear water you can see everything down there... almost. As a young boy we had a place called the secret pond. On the edge of a swamp through the woods we would visit this magical pond that was maybe 3 or 4 feet deep at most. From the ledge above we could see the red white and brown carp in the water. When you got down to the water level you would have a hard time seeing past the middle of the pond.... which was about 40-50 feet in diameter. Never thought about it much until recently. I tried shooting the carp with arrows back then. Never hit one. Just impossible when they weren't near the surface. Water was somehow tricky.

Air is tricky. It is made up of several gases and a large amount of water vapor. I dug out a large convex lens and will see if I can set up a little display to show how light works. If the earth is flat but it is covered with a "dome" we have a large convex lens. If the atmosphere is also flat, ignoring gas and water vapor variances, we still have a variance in density along the line of vision to light sources that are not directly overhead. That means distortion and refraction.



Come on Spectrism, you really think we're the ones that are living in a fantasy here? This is OBSERVABLE REPEATABLE data and can easily be explained by a spherical shape.


Answer your own question. Did you get vaccinated with the poison shots for COVID? Do you believe in evolution? What is the last honest thing your government told you? What happened in Operation Fishbowl?

Spherical shape? It is possible. But I can't prove it nor can you. Lots of things can be explained. That doesn't make them true. If you are not certain of truth, why believe it? You think you have evidence, but what witness provided it? Do you trust those witnesses?



I generally don't use NASA as they're known liars, why I linked to other space agencies in a previous response before you replied with the typical drivel of a flat earther denouncing everything without actual proof of anything.

What other space agencies? Where do you think they get their money from? Do you really think we landed on the moon? One of their explanations of the sphere is that the magnetic field protects us from radiation. But that means there are vanAllen radiation belts that must be traversed and then just the deadly solar radiation bathing near space & the moon surface. Death rays. No shielding for any astronuts. Their own explanation fails.

[osoab]

What is the gender of a torroid? in spanish, i don't see an gender. sphere is feminine though. and honestly, we shouldn't be assigning genders to other crazies or objects. you don't know /s


What taste do you assign a sphere? Didn't Dunkin Donuts trademark this? I will go with greasy and bland. Like Hershey's chocolate.

[ziero0]

"you don't know /s"

ignoramus (n.)
1570s, originally an Anglo-French legal term (early 15c.), from Latin ignoramus "we take no notice of, we do not know," first person plural present indicative of ignorare "not to know, take no notice of" (see ignorant). The legal term was one a grand jury could write on a bill when it considered the prosecution's evidence insufficient. Sense of "ignorant person" (1616) came from the title role in George Ruggle's 1615 play in Latin satirizing the ignorance of common lawyers. The plural is ignoramuses as it never was a noun in Latin.

[ziero0]

A simple test is apparent which will provide the answer to the matter in dispute (namely "Is the Earth flat or spherical?").

In your region do you need to consult the Farmers Almanac to determine the times of sunrise and sunset? If so then you are a Roundy.

Otherwise the Flattys believe the sun peeks over the horizon in the morning (antemeridian) precisely at 6 a.m. each day and sets (postmeridian) at 6 p.m.

Hope this helps resolve the confusion.

Oh wait! Are there meridians on Flat Earth? It would seem meridians is a Roundy concept. Darn!

ante meridiem
"of morning, before mid-day," 1560s, Latin, literally "before noon," from ante "before" (from PIE root *ant- "front, forehead," with derivatives meaning "in front of, before") + accusative of meridies "midday, noon" (see meridian). The adjective antemeridian is attested from 1650s.

post meridiem
"after noon, occurring after the sun has passed the meridian," applied to the time between noon and midnight, 1640s, Latin, from post "after" (see post-) + accusative of meridies "midday, noon" (see meridian).

So apparently the meridian concept occurred post-Columbus. A true Flatty cannot use a.m. or p.m. without intruding on the mindset of a Roundy.

Frankly this use of meridiem or meridian is confusing. It has a Latin connection. Does this mean the early Romans were Roundies? Or does the Latin attempt to lend more authority to the Roundy argument than they deserve?

[Spectrism]

The moon landing in 1969 never properly credited the camera crew.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/IQ8R7ber82ru/

[osoab]

"you don't know /s"

ignoramus (n.)


Is this similar to Boobus Americanus?

[ziero0]

Is this similar to Boobus Americanus?

Boobi is not ignorant. He is the opposite. He knows everything.

[ziero0]

Observe a similarity between belief in a spherical Earth and Demonic possession. Both occur in your mind. Both are destructive. Neither concept is particularly productive.

Subsets of the spherical Earth demon include

Global warming
Global competition
Prioritizing money over health
Democratic principles
Republican principles
Political views in general

[ziero0]

Globalist, noun. One who believes in a spherical Earth

[keehah]

Globalist, noun. One who believes in a spherical Earth

In today's clown world "Globalist", at least politically, refers to the actions of Flat Earth Talmudists and their NGO and occupied nation's bureaucratic staffs.


While the Talmud, the council of bureaucracy and stratum, is explicitly Flat Earth, it seems as if the Torah and Bible could be Expanding Earth?

Expanding earth theory aligns with the evidence that life in the oceans began over 4000 million years ago, and life was earth gypped (Egypt) until about 500 million years ago when the rods of God, neutrinos to thunderbolts and the like, became much more active, the earth under the oceans began expanding, awakened the volcano god Jahv (https://eoht.info/page/Yahweh)e (https://eoht.info/page/Yahweh) (Yahweh), parting the seas, exposing 'mother earth', creating the continents and allowing life (God's chosen matter) to leave 'Egypt', colonize the land but now be directly exposed to the sun (Isis and Ra Hell).

Confirmation via the back of the Great Seal? The pyramid and eye is representation of an active volcano, inscribed with Annuit Coeptis (Providence Has Favored Our Undertakings) and Novus Ordo Seclorum (A New Order of the Ages).

[Spectrism]

https://twitter.com/ChatterBox_Muse/status/1656466251051327488

NASA admits we never went to the moon.

[ziero0]

https://twitter.com/ChatterBox_Muse/status/1656466251051327488

NASA admits we never went to the moon.

Well how could we? The moon hasn't been created yet. Show me the Manufacturers certificate of Origin. Show me where postage stamps were affixed to the side of the RPV (rocket Propelled Vehicle). When it comes to postage show me where Universal Postal Union rules apply to any off-Earth expeditions.