Guardians of the free Republics: Leave office or be removed

[Libertytree]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/02/fbi-anti-government-groups-remove-governors-encourage-violence/?test=latestnews

WASHINGTON -- The FBI is warning police across the country that an anti-government group's call to remove governors from office could provoke violence by others.

A group that calls itself the Guardians of the free Republics wants to "restore America" by peacefully dismantling parts of the government, according to its Web site.

As of Wednesday, more than 30 governors had received letters saying if they don't leave office within three days they will be removed, according to an internal intelligence note by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The note was obtained by The Associated Press.

Investigators do not see threats of violence in the group's message, but fear the broad call for removing top state officials could lead others to act out violently.

Governors whose offices reported receiving the letters included Democrats Jennifer Granholm of Michigan and Chet Culver of Iowa, and Republicans Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Jim Gibbons of Nevada.

Screening machines for visitors and packages were added to the main entrance to the Nevada Capitol as a precaution after Gibbons received one of the letters.

"We're not really overly concerned, but at the same time we don't want to sit back and do nothing and regret it," Deputy Chief of Staff Lynn Hettrick said.

Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said federal authorities had alerted the governor that such a letter might be coming, and it arrived Monday or Tuesday. Boyd, who described the letter as "non-threatening," said it was opened by a staffer and immediately turned over to the Michigan State Police.

Jindal's office confirmed the governor had received a letter from the Guardians of the free Republics and directed all further questions to the Louisiana State Police.

"They called us as they do for any letter that's out of the norm," said Lt. Doug Cain, a state police spokesman.

He declined to provide specifics about the letter, but said, "not knowing the group and the information contained in the letter warranted state police to review it." Cain said the letter has gone to numerous governors across the country.

The FBI warning comes at a time of heightened attention to far-right extremist groups after the arrest of nine Christian militia members last weekend accused of plotting violence.

In explaining the letters sent to the governors, the intelligence note says officials have no specific knowledge of plans to use violence, but they caution police to be aware in case other individuals interpret the letters "as a justification for violence or other criminal actions."

The FBI associated the letter with "sovereign citizens," most of whom believe they are free from all duties of a U.S. citizen, like paying taxes or needing a government license to drive. A small number of these people are armed and resort to violence, according to the intelligence report.

Last weekend, the FBI conducted raids on suspected members of a Christian militia in the Midwest that was allegedly planning to kill police officers. In the past year, federal agents have seen an increase in "chatter" from an array of domestic extremist groups, which can include radical self-styled militias, white separatists or extreme civil libertarians and sovereign citizens.

[Libertytree]

http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/introduction.html

[beefsteak]

http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/introduction.html

Upon checking out your proferred URL, I found this under one of the tabs. Eye-opening to say the least. I'm still digesting and pondering.

[quote] Confessions From The Horse's Mouth
(can be reviewed in less than 30 minutes).
Please Goggle or use the included links:

- “28 USC 3002” (definition of the United States as a Federal corporation never taught in civics class; go to paragraph 15)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html



- “27 CFR 72.11” (U.S. Inc. defines all crime as commercial as a result of the fall of the republic when the South walked out of congress in 1861 and the de jure congress, unable to raise a quorum, was replaced by Lincoln with the de facto corporate Congress; and the de jure district court of the United States was replaced by the de facto corporate UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT)

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_98/27cfr72_98.html



- “Executive Order 6102” (government’s confiscation of your family’s gold and wealth under threat of 10 years in prison for failure to comply.)

As the Order specifies U.S. “persons” (eg. JOHN SMITH and JANE DOE), law enforcement was duped into enforcing against the general public a command that only applied to Federal employees and members of the armed forces.)
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=14611
or
http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html




- “HJR 192” (outlawing of the simple act of “paying with money” as a felony by substituting the lawyer’s parlor trick of “discharging” debts)
http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/HJR192.htm
or
http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html



- “Congressman Louis McFadden speech” (indictment of the Secretary of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Board of Governor’s for treason by the chairman of the House Banking and Currency committee in 1934.)

In scathing speeches to Congress, McFadden said: “(The Fed) has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government.”

This most knowledgeable man on banking also explained in vivid detail the method for recruiting the Federal Reserve to pay our debts as holder of the gold, and which is at the heart of today’s “tax remedies.”

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/mcfadden-frb.html
or
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty10.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_T._McFadden


- “Lewis v. United States 680” (Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned:)
“…we conclude that the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA (Federal Tort Claims Act), but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.”
Lewis v United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (9th Cir. 1982).

In other words, the Fed enjoys no United States immunity from law suit because it is a Federal institution in name only.
http://nesara.org/court_summaries/lewis_v_united_states.htm
and
http://www.geocities.com/chrisforliberty/lewis.html



- “Modern Money Mechanics” (The Fed’s concise operational manual showing how money AND INTENTIONAL INFLATION are created from thin air by the Fed and its member banks.)

The manual is very clear as to the power of created inflation to speed the process of confiscating your wealth.

The section: “Who Creates Money?” and the final paragraph in “Bank Deposits – How They Expand or Contract” are worth extra attention.)
http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf
or
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Modern_Money_Mechanics/Introduction



- “Grace Commission” (Confirmed that virtually ALL taxes actually go to the Federal Reserve Bank to pay interest on the U.S. debt to the banking families that own the International Monetary Fund (IMF):

“With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.”
J. Peter Grace,
Cover letter,
President’s Private Sector Report on Cost Control,
January 12, 1984.

Peter Grace was considered the Warren Buffett of his time, and the Grace Commission Report received widespread media attention as the gospel of Reagan’s so-called tax system overhaul.
http://www.freecanadian.net/articles/grace.html
or
http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm



- “31 CFR 103.11” [/b](Promissory note is defined as a “monetary instrument:)

“(u) Monetary instruments…

Monetary instruments include…
All negotiable instruments
(including personal checks,
business checks,
official bank checks,
cashier's checks,
third-party checks,
promissory notes (as that term is defined in
Uniform Commercial Code), and
money orders)

that are either in
bearer form,
endorsed without restriction,
made out to a fictitious payee
(for the purposes of Sec. 103.23),
or otherwise in such form that title thereto passes upon delivery.”)
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/julqtr/31cfr103.11.htm
or
http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/pages_manual/regulations/31CFR103.htm


- “NYUCC 3-104” (Promissory note is defined as a “negotiable instrument:)

“(1) Any writing to be a negotiable instrument within this Article must
(a) be signed by the maker or drawer; and
(b) contain an unconditional promise or order to pay a sum certain in money and no other promise, order, obligation or power given by the maker or drawer except as authorized by this Article; and
(c) be payable on demand or at a definite time; and
(d) be payable to order or to bearer.

(2) A writing which complies with the requirements of this section is
(a) a "draft" ("bill of exchange") if it is an order;
(b) a "check" if it is a draft drawn on a bank and payable on demand;
(c) a "certificate of deposit" if it is an acknowledgment by a bank of receipt of money with an engagement to repay it;
(d) a "note" if it is a promise other than a certificate of deposit.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/3/3-104.html


- “Senate Report 93-549” (The United States has been under dictatorial control since March 9, 1933)

Report of the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency,
Senate Report 93-549,
War and Emergency Powers Acts,
November 19, 1973.

“Foreward:
Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency…These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may:
seize property;
organize and control the means of production;
seize commodities;
assign military forces abroad;
institute martial law;
seize and control all transportation and communication;
regulate the operation of private enterprise;
restrict travel; and,
in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.”
http://www.scratchinpost.net/barefootbob/war_ep1.html



- “Foley Brothers, Inc. v. Filardo, 336 U.S. 281 (1949)” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia.)

“It is a well established principle of law that all federal regulation applies only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States unless a contrary intent appears.”


- “Caha v. US, 152 U.S. 211 (1894)” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia.)

“The laws of Congress in respect to those matters [outside of Constitutionally delegated powers] do not extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government.”


- “U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217 at 222” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia)

“There is a canon of legislative construction which teaches Congress that, unless a contrary intent appears [legislation] is meant to apply only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”


- “Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)” (Purportedly decided if the constitution applies to U.S. territories.)

In actuality, unleashed the great fraud of unlimited statutory power misapplied throughout the continental united States of America.

Dissenting opinion of Justice Marshall Harlan. “…two national governments, one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to…a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will result…We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism…It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence.”

In other words, a genuine de jure united States of America congress is always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the constitution. He held to the obvious truth that congress does not exist, let alone have powers, outside the constitution.

Harlan said, "This nation is under the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land and the only source of the powers which our government, or any branch or officer of it, may exert at any time or at any place."


- Section 802, Patriot Act (Defining the People as terrorists. Defining terrorism as a maritime event. Excluding private meetings on the land from terrorism)

“(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended--
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html

[Apparition]

Guardians of the free Republics?

What's with the plural form?

[beefsteak]

I'm new to reading this material, but I'll respond best I can.

It is my understanding the GOTFR have harkened back to earlier constitutional languaging wherein the "republics" were the individual states. Obviously their number has grown from the original 13 colonies to now 50 states. I haven't read any discussion on the "territories."

In this light, it is understandable why all 50 governors were informed on or by March 31, 2010, and not the 30+ that the MSM is reporting.

Hope this helps.

[Carl]

Guardians of the free Republics?

What's with the plural form?

There are 50 Constitutional Republics that comprise the United States of America.

[Carl]

I don't know, seems like a fishing expidition to me..........



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[beefsteak]

Carl,
I personally find it quite pleasant to muse upon "states' rights" being restored.

I personally am of the opinion that there is (are) a difference(s) living in Montana vs NJ (or Cali or Alabama.)

Viva le difference' :)

[Hellsbane]

Carl,
I personally find it quite pleasant to muse upon "states' rights" being restored.

I personally am of the opinion that there is (are) a difference(s) living in Montana vs NJ (or Cali or Alabama.)

Viva le difference' :)


The founders believed as much themselves. Thats why the various States were left to conduct their own affairs. They understood that trying to make all the various societies into a singular society would do far more harm than good. The folks of Georgia should not be compelled to live their lives in accordance with the morals of California, and visa versa.

[Horn]

So, if the Governors are "removed" Healthcare goes thru without an argument from them?

I'm sorry, the first time I've come acrossed this.

[Carl]

Carl,
I personally find it quite pleasant to muse upon "states' rights" being restored.

I personally am of the opinion that there is (are) a difference(s) living in Montana vs NJ (or Cali or Alabama.)

Viva le difference' :)
I whole heartedly agree!

I'm just saying if you read their "requirements" for joining their expedition, well, have you ever been booked into a jail? Their "requirements" are just a bit more invasive, something more on the lines of signing a confession complete with thumb print.

Besides any group that purports' to be for the Republics and then skips right over the obviousness of the unconstitutional 17th Amendment and then posts a prohibition against anyone who joins them from broaching any subject that is not a part of their plan, just doesn't square with me.....

.

[Carl]

The founders believed as much themselves. Thats why the various States were left to conduct their own affairs. They understood that trying to make all the various societies into a singular society would do far more harm than good. The folks of Georgia should not be compelled to live their lives in accordance with the morals of California, and visa versa.
Exactly!!

By the way, did you know Georgia never ratified the 17th? Technically, Georgia's legislators can seat their own Senators if they had a mind to.

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[Horn]

I'm sorry is this thread about States rights, or a group of people removing Governors?

[beefsteak]

Carl,
I personally find it quite pleasant to muse upon "states' rights" being restored.

I personally am of the opinion that there is (are) a difference(s) living in Montana vs NJ (or Cali or Alabama.)

Viva le difference' :)
I whole heartedly agree!

I'm just saying if you read their "requirements" for joining their expedition, well, have you ever been booked into a jail? Their "requirements" are just a bit more invasive, something more on the lines of signing a confession complete with thumb print.

Besides any group that purports' to be for the Republics and then skips right over the obviousness of the unconstitutional 17th Amendment and then posts a prohibition against anyone who joins them from broaching any subject that is not a part of their plan, just doesn't square with me......


Carl,
the more I read, the more "delineated levels of participation" I am seeing besides the one to which you refer.

There is the "observer supporter" identified grouping.
There is the "member" grouping that doesn't require a thumbprint
There is the "de jure grand jury applicant" group: it DOES require a thumbprint
There is the Guardian Elders grouping which I believe are the original 4.

At least this is all the groupings I've been able to identify as I read up on this as the result of the CNN - Wolf Blitzer et al soundbytes which started Friday.


To your 2nd Point...
No, I didn't know Georgia didn't ratify the 17th Amendment. Heck, I'm going to have to go look up and see what the 17th Amendment says. LOL

Just because I don't "see it," under what little material I've already perused, I'm not going to join you and agree that "it (17th Amendment) has been skipped over."

Is the 17th Amendment mention or lack thereof by the GOTFR a deal breaker for you colloquially speaking?

[beefsteak]

I'm sorry is this thread about States rights, or a group of people removing Governors?


Horn, it is my belief that States Rights are definitely at the "bottom" of the "remove the Governors as Insured Bonded Members of the Federal Corporation established in 1931 by Congress" GOFTR action reported and highlighted by the MSM on Friday.

I may have missed some soundbytes, but I've read Washington Post, USA Today, Christian Science Monitor, and a few other MSM written coverage. I tend not to read "bloggers" since everyone has an opinion, and marginalizing and ridicule are two of the primary tools of the Progressive Movement machinery.

In my mind, I can't separate the two subjects.

The thread title is about the Guardians of the Free Republics...and that's the angle I'm coming from...exploring that presented topic and its origins vis a vis their introduction statement on the URL provided by the OP.

[Carl]

........Is the 17th Amendment mention or lack thereof by the GOTFR a deal breaker for you colloquially speaking?
Well no, but a Constitutionally backed repudiation of the 17th by the states' legislators and the seating of their own selected Senators is about the biggest and most obvious monkey wrench we could throw into the gears of the Federal Machine that will provide the greatest gain within the shortest amount of time for the Liberty Movement. (Not to mention, it will be the States that will be taking this corrective action and not a group of individuals that could be labeled "terrorists".)

Also, there is documented evidence that clearly shows the 16th and 17th Amendments were never properly ratified and are null and void as Amendments to the Constitution. This means that all laws passed through the unconstitutionally seated senate, from 1913 to today, would also be null and void.

Read more at: http://www.devvy.com/new_site/17th_amendment_docs_march_2010.html

[beefsteak]

Wow! I'm just trying to confirm a piece of "uttered conjecture" purported to be spoken by the "State Coordinator of Texas" for this GOFTR group.

He stated it was his understanding that the PROVOST MARSHALLS of the Military Police of the US Military Branches were the ones who were tasked with to deliver the notices to all 50 states Governors, to resign within 3 days, re-take their oath except to their individual republic, or be replaced with someone who would take the oath.

I wish I could find that Provost Marshall role independently confirmed in some press release but I haven't been able to locate such independent confirmation. It is simply a mind bending footnote in my mind at this moment in time.

If true....
no WONDER the Governors are an unhappy and confused, bravado talking lot this weekend. I cannot find one instance of the MSM picking up on this or putting this Provost Marshalls' involvement into print.


Carl, more to the point which you raised, wrt 16th Amendment....
One thing that was understandably pleasant to hear spoken aloud was the interation by the State of Texas GOTFR Coordinator/speaker of attesting to his personal participation in a conference call of a few weeks back. He stated clearly, that one of the 4 Guardian Elders categorically declared and affirmed the IRS would definitely be out of business by FEB 2011.

One can dream, right? Simply amazing if GOTFR can pull THAT one off!

[beefsteak]

Good morning, all.

I've found a second utterance by a late 20s-early 30s young man by the name of "Christian" on a PARABYANG PYRABANG YouTube video, state very clearly and without hesitation that PROVOST MARSHALLs (from the US Military) served the GOTFR notices to all the 50 governors. He further stated that all 50 governors had been properly served which is contrary to the MSM soundbytes.

No wonder security at the various capital rotundae let "them" through "screening" at the front gate to deliver their packets to the Governors. Wish I would have had a camera.

Now, I'm beginning to pay a little more attention to what this GOTFR are up to.

With PROVOST MARSHALLS doing GOTFR's bidding, that indicates to me some serious clout, not previously evidenced by other "liberty-type" movements consisting of lots of talk and idea exchange and other rhetoric.

:o

[Libertytree]

Beef, you got a link to the tube?

[jaybone]

There is a 35+ page thread on this at the above top secret 'skunk works'
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread556281/pg1

alot of offhand dismissals, but also a few bits of serious debunking.

It seems the consensus is that this is real, but until and unless the .mil openly supports it, the plan has no teeth.

[Libertytree]

Thanks for the ATS link, lots of info in that thread.

[Libertytree]

The following is a link to the Mother Jones site, where Clive Boustred, amember of the Guardians, responds to an article written about the Guardians. Lots of info here.

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/guardians-free-republics-astroturf-clive-boustred-militia-government-patriot-threat-exposed

Here's a snippet of one of his replies.

"In regard to the leader of the Guardians of the Free Republics, no I am not the leader of the group, Sam Kennedy is. I chair a number of other organizations with a substantial number of members just like many of the other people involved with our effort to restore law and order in the USA. Collectively we represent vastly more than 2,000 members and people and organizations are joining in droves. Individual groups joining have more members than that! However, the issue is not a dick measuring contest, we are sincerely intent on recovering the very values and principles upon which the United States of America was founded. We believe in the Constitution for the United States of America, even if some of us like myself and many of the Founders were born in other countries."

[Brent]

They are dreaming if they think this will do anything without the backing and support of the military.

[Horn]

Isn't this a false flag to get governors to fall in line behind Healthcare plan?

[Libertytree]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.

[beefsteak]

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.

Referring to a conference call posted on YouTube from the RBN archive of 3/28/2010 TAKE NO PRISONERS Sunday night regular programming, one of the acknowledged Guardian Elders himself stated the Governors had 3 days to voluntarily resign and take the proper oath to uphold the US Constitution or action would commence.

I wonder where the "14 days" number you speak of is coming from? Can you shed any light? Is it perhaps a grace period of some type? ???

[Libertytree]

Let me try and go fish that up beef, it's in the original documents.

[Libertytree]

Beef, I couldn't find where the hell I read about the 14 day time frame but I did find this and thought ya might want to take a gander.

http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf


Found it! page 14

[Heimdhal]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.


Admiral Ackbar, is that you!?!?!?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7351/admiralackbar2jl1.jpg

[beefsteak]

Beef, I couldn't find where the hell I read about the 14 day time frame but I did find this and thought ya might want to take a gander.

http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf


Found it! page 14


Thanks, Libertytree.

WHAT AN AWESOME DOCUMENT!!!

I was thinking last night about this 14day or 3 day time frame conflict. In my own mind, I had come to the conclusion that if the 14 day statement were an accurate recollection on your part, that it made logical sense upon further consideration.

My line of reasoning was thus:
Reasonable people need time to digest the impact of either compliance or resignation.

Reasonable people who want to do republic states governance correctly (let's use Gov Jindahl because I personally believe his head is in the game, so to speak) need time to get their house in order if they decide NOT to comply.

I don't know how "common law" (LAW OF THE LAND) vs ADMIRALTY LAW (LAW OF THE WATER) practice of giving reasonable notice process works.

I do know that ADMIRALTY LAW PRACTICE is to give notice of an impeding action when seeking remedy as an injured party. How? Because I've been the filer of ADMIRALTY District Court pleadings to address injurious activities against my person or my company.

Therefore, it was my personal conclusion that both time frame statements were not mutually exclusive but compatible with intent and reasonable behavior.

I cannot tell you how much I appreciate the provision of the .pdf file.

I would prefer it come through "regular channels," i.e., be revealed by the named Guardian Elders with their seals affixed. I suspect I'm not alone in this stated preference.

Be assured, I'm not implying in any way that you have posted a .pdf that is inaccurate in anyway, nor attempting to deceive this forum in any manner. It is just that posting "a NON-WET INK signed document" is obviously subject to alteration of content between composure and execution. This is a legitimate concern on my part. Especially in this day and age of "Photoshop."

I do obviously wish to know how you came to be in possession of this .pdf and who originally complied and posted it.

I look forward to your public reply with these further details, please.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I am stunned as I sit here and think upon the seriousness and implications for my personal freedom, my progeny's freedom, as well as our collective freedom after reading this document served-- :o

---at the directive of the united SUPREME COURT, and

-------delivered by the Provost Marshall of the United States of America military. Was supposed to happen that way, but did NOT. Ended up being sent certified mail I do believe.

I wonder how long "I have to hold my breath" to learn which Governor is the 1st to step up, swear the oath, and make history?

[beefsteak]

Isn't this a false flag to get governors to fall in line behind Healthcare plan?


Horn,
it is my considered opinion that your concern is not the case here.

Consider for a moment, the following scenario, if you please:

When implementation of this resign or take the oath served warrant occurs,
the 50 republics have NOT brought forth the health care plan nor approved it
in any way. Therefore, if my logical thinking is clear, the Health Care plan does
not exist any longer except in the 68 sq miles District of Columbia. How's that for a mind bender??

beefsteak

[Shami-Amourae]

Is this whatcha mean?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A97TtZSPvMk

[Horn]

Is it still News though?

[Libertytree]

No problem beef,

I found the original link to it here on RPF.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=238760&highlight=letter&page=2

[Cebu_4_2]

I have some links posted in here:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=632.0

[beefsteak]

Hi, Cebu_4_2,

a personal comment if I may?

I'm offended with the "communistic spelling" of my beloved America as you have indicated in the title of your thread.

I confess to being especially sensitized to that spelling, since this Restore America Plan chain of events we are discussing has re-established our beloved United States of America lawfully, according to the law of the land as proscribed and supported by the one "Supreme Court" of the Republic.

I don't know how others feel, so I'm speaking only for myself, okay? It's just that this is so precious, breathtaking in its simplicity, and hope producing to me, I just don't want to wince everytime I go to a thread to view its contents using the communistic spelling as I call it, such as you've just invited posters here to do.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

From what I understand the process will take some time, even up to 90 days. I'm not versed in all the different types of law that come into play here but if it calls the criminals to task I stand firmly behind it. I wish Jetgraphics would chime in on this as I think he has a very firm grasp on these legal concepts.

[beefsteak]

No problem beef,

I found the original link to it here on RPF.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=238760&highlight=letter&page=2

Thank you, Libertytree, for your reply.

I went to the link above and found the .pdf link in that RPF forum to be a ERROR 404/Page Not Found linkage.

The link posted in the RPF that is not working is: http://educationcenter2000.com/Grand%20Jury%20Study/Declaration-verdana-font.pdf

So, perhaps you've errored in your recollection, since the PDF link you've provided is:
http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf

Perhaps you could take a moment and help me learn the aegis of the .pdf you provided???

Thanks.

beefsteak.

[Cebu_4_2]

I'm offended with the "communistic spelling" of my beloved America as you have indicated in the title of your thread.

I confess to being especially sensitized to that spelling, since this Restore America Plan chain of events we are discussing has re-established our beloved United States of America lawfully, according to the law of the land as proscribed and supported by the one "Supreme Court" of the Republic.

beefsteak


Sorry to have offended you, I have changed the title.

I had lost respect for this corporation and until I see something in regards to changing it to what our forefathers wanted that respect will not be there for me.

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,

I certainly join you in your expressed sentiments of having lost respect for the federal corporation. The awareness of the UNITED STATES being a corporation exerting control over my life and the lives of the country I love and the people I love is about 10 days old here. My disgust and loss of respect goes much further back in time.

Your alteration of the communistic spelling of my beloved Republic in your thread title is sincerely appreciated. You're a good man.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

No problem beef,

I found the original link to it here on RPF.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=238760&highlight=letter&page=2

Thank you, Libertytree, for your reply.

I went to the link above and found the .pdf link in that RPF forum to be a ERROR 404/Page Not Found linkage.

The link posted in the RPF that is not working is: http://educationcenter2000.com/Grand%20Jury%20Study/Declaration-verdana-font.pdf

So, perhaps you've errored in your recollection, since the PDF link you've provided is:
http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf

Perhaps you could take a moment and help me learn the aegis of the .pdf you provided???

Thanks.

beefsteak.




That's definetly where I found the Pdf, I just went back and checked the link and it worked for me. Maybe try it again or someone else can confirm?

[Cebu_4_2]

Here is a link and I will paste in case it disappears.

Edit, exceeds 20,000 characters, can't paste it.

I don't understand this 20 page item when they are being served some 80 pages.

http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf

[Horn]

So we're all supposed to expect results from this paper only transaction?

[Cebu_4_2]

Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Restore America Plan - Update 4/6/10 Inside Information

Inside Information Update 4/6/10 – Restore America Plan

The following comes from several ‘real’ intelligence resources, my research and insider sources.


1. There is no shortage of funds for future recovery. Trusts have been established for every administration and these trust funds are available for proper disbursement.

There are vast sums in very high trillions available for Social Security which will not be affected.

2. The military has already informed obama that he is no longer Commander-in-Chief.
3. The closed door emergency meeting of the Federal Reserve on Monday 4/5/10 did discuss the financial default and how to respond to the people’s declaration. They are in panic.
4. There is a “Gag Order” on the governors and other officials who are served. If they say anything, they lose there option to sign on or resign. In short, they will be removed by the military.
5. We are simply sovereigns. Beware of any article using “sovereign citizens”. This is propaganda by the PTB.
6. FBI at high levels were informed about the plan before delivery.
7. Fulford is aware of activities and a participant on worldwide recovery on an international level.
8. There is an international participation in the program(s) which will become more evident in the next few weeks.
9. Bonding will not be available for corporate entities. They will have to operate in the de jour government under the constitution.
10. Corporate government and entities cannot access the C.A.F.R. funds without the bonds.
11. All Bonds have been “arrested” by the republic and cannot be used by the corporate government and entities. The arrest of the bonds-from the U.S. Corporation down to the smallest country will cause a stoppage in all activities. They cannot conduct business as they are not ‘bondable’.
12. Corporate Courts cannot conduct any business without bonds.


Remember – If it looks like Nesara, acts like Nesara and functions like Nesara but spelled
differently ---- IT IS THE RESTORE PLAN

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/04/restore-america-plan-update-4610-inside.html

[beefsteak]

Here is a link and I will paste in case it disappears.

Edit, exceeds 20,000 characters, can't paste it.

I don't understand this 20 page item when they are being served some 80 pages.

http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf

Cebu_4_2,

I can account for 69 pages now, Cebu_4_2, and here's how I extrapolated THAT number.

After listening to Guardian Elder Tim Turner, or perhaps it was Guardian Elder Sam Kennedy, MD., I heard the statement made that:
Each governor's notice/warrant package also contained the official signature pages applicable in the other 49 states and Provost Marshall served simultaneously.

In otherwords, according to the unseen hand of the united Supreme Court which has guided this R.A.P process which has re-established the republic, it had to be delivered simultaneously or it wouldn't pass the constitutional legality test at all.

I suspect the S.C. procedural model was the result of research S.C. Clerk staff into the original 13 colonies "notice/ratification of the 1791 constitution" process presented originally in 1787, and modified only to now include the 50 republics. I'll admit the "warrant languaging" is confusing to me and I'm researching that unexperienced arena for me to learn more.

At this point, it sounds like notice of impending arrest warrants were issued by the Republic, with a calendar deadline feature, much like in Admiralty Law there is "respond by" deadline expressly stated.

I repeat, this is conjecture on my part. I'm just trying to be logical here.

beefsteak

[DMac]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.


I want to believe this is all true and a friendly resolution is coming to the distressed States of America.

However, it all just screams TRAP! to me.

Also, I recall a thread or poll I started back on the old homestead that was about the likelyhood of a military coup within the states. Something like this, if there is indeed military backing, is not going to end well.

Power corrupts...

[jaybone]

I would feel better about it if they wrote de jure (of law, of principle)
instead of de jour (of the day as in soup of the day)

It was a blog post reporting on it, so I in no way mean to disparage the R.A.P.,
but geez, the whole fulcrum of the plan is de jure versus de facto, it is an important thing!

I hope it is real and successful.

[Horn]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.


I want to believe this is all true and a friendly resolution is coming to the distressed States of America.

However, it all just screams TRAP! to me.

Also, I recall a thread or poll I started back on the old homestead that was about the likelyhood of a military coup within the states. Something like this, if there is indeed military backing, is not going to end well.

Power corrupts...


Shit yeah, if for real, I feel that's all it could be.

[beefsteak]

I would feel better about it if they wrote de jure (of law, of principle)
instead of de jour (of the day as in soup of the day)

It was a blog post reporting on it, so I in no way mean to disparage the R.A.P.,
but geez, the whole fulcrum of the plan is de jure versus de facto, it is an important thing!

I hope it is real and successful.

Hi, Jay,

Does this help? Check Page 1 of the Declaration from the .pdf posted by LibTree:


The unanimous Declaration of the sovereign People of the united
States of America to restore and reinhabit the free American
republics.

Delivered to the Governors of the 50 States March 29, 2010

We the People inhabiting the North American continent, free men and women
convened under God, having been granted by the Creator dominion over all the
earth, to restore the blessings of liberty for ourselves and the posterity, do hereby
invoke our sacred right to alter or abolish destructive government as memorialized
in The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, c. 1776 by
declaring herewith this solemn declaration to the people of the earth and all
governments and nations derived there from.

Whereas

institutions of this or any country, in particular the ill-gotten gains of foreclosure
and fraudulent foreign taxation; peacefully eliminate all existing government
structures, entities and agencies that have been derived from the de facto
corporations posing as legitimate governments; issue orders to the military, police
and corporate powers of the land and sea to enforce our divine rights to such lawful
government as was already ensured by our constitutions; and restore de facto
actors to lawful de jure capacity duly confined by the constitutions of the these
republics and replace the noncompliant; thus restoring to each and every American
their in-law, dry land, divine rights of birth and the fruits of their individual and
ancestral labor as quickly, efficiently and discretely as possible, without causing
undue alarm or stress and without malice for anyone forgive in the name of the
Creator all who repent their political and economic misdeeds.

It is hereby so decreed by the sovereign People of these free American republics
assembled herein. Teste meipso by our hands, republic by republic, hereinafter
following.

Warrant

of the De jure Grand Juries
of the People of the united States of America
assembled under God as

Guardians of the Free Republics

and sole lawful authority on the land

We the sovereign People inhabiting the free American republics, the well-regulated
Guardians of the Free Republics under God, having salvaged the rule of lawful de......

Page 1 of 20



http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,

Thank you for your post of the "intel"... I have come to the conclusion within myself that "Fulford" has accurately alerted to more things than incorrectly stated events.

You did not say but implied that "Fulford" was the source of that Intel posting you made. Can you confirm, please? Is Fulford associated with this NESERA website in some capacity?

I hope to the Creator of All Things both above the firmament and below, that #2 is indeed true and accurate.

What an amazing, historical "service" that must have been.

If I was the Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff delivering that particular message, I would have had the adrenalin pumping like you wouldn't believe. Good thing those War Veterans are tougher than nails. God BLESS our courageous men and women in the military service of our REPUBLIC!

WOWZER!

beef

[Cebu_4_2]

Beef,

I will look around to confirm but since there is a gag order and it states as quickly, efficiently and discretely as possible, without causing undue alarm or stress and without malice for anyone I doubt we will be able to concretely confirm any if it and have to take it all as conjecture.

If this is true I would love to have seen Obamas face when he was told he is no longer commander and chief. This will make a phenomenal movie and I can't wait to watch it. If TPTB were scrambling for the takeover for the US by the EU my thoughts are "what are they planning now?"

I will see if I can confirm anything on the intel report.

[jaybone]

I've read and understand the .pdf and the plan, and I think it has merit.
But when somebody writes an update that says de jour instead of de jure,
it indicates to me that the author does not understand it.

"They will have to operate in the de jour government under the constitution."
which means "government of the day"

just nitpicking,
like when somebody calls somebody else ridiculous, but writes rediculous.
or "your so dumb"

[Cebu_4_2]

Jay,

Where are you referring to the soup of the day?

I don't think any of these PDF files are the originals but something similar. The RAP folks made it perfectly clear that there will be nothing passed out at this time.

[illumin19]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.


Admiral Ackbar, is that you!?!?!?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7351/admiralackbar2jl1.jpg


I was going to post the video clip but had to double check first and sure enough......its already here haahahahahah :D

[jaybone]

Jay,

Where are you referring to the soup of the day?

I don't think any of these PDF files are the originals but something similar. The RAP folks made it perfectly clear that there will be nothing passed out at this time.


No, I am referring to your post above, item #9 "de jour"

[Horn]

Conflicting info on group that threatened Granholm


More information is coming out about the group that sent a threatening letter to Gov. Jennifer Granholm and 29 other state leaders demanding their resignation or they would be “removed” from office. Unfortunately, that information is fragmentary and not very illuminating.

Jason Hancock with our sister site the Iowa Independent notes that while Mother Jones claims the group, Guardians of the Free Republics, is just a single man in Silicon Valley — and not even born in America, ironically — the Christian Science Monitor says there are many members all around the country.

And Paul Schmelzer at the Minnesota Independent points out that the group has apparently organized a group in Iowa. We’re not aware of any presence of the organization in Michigan other than having sent the letter to Granholm, but that doesn’t mean they’re not out there somewhere, organizing “citizen grand juries” to hand down irrelevant “indictments” of government officials they don’t like.


http://michiganmessenger.com/36458/conflicting-info-on-group-that-threatened-granholm

[Horn]

Ritter Beefs Up Security After Letter

Denver - 4/6/2010

Yesterday Gov. Bill Ritter confirmed that Colorado State Patrol has made changes to his security detail after his office received a letter saying he had three days to resign last week.

The letter, sent by a militia group called the Guardians of the Free Republics to more than 30 governors including Ritter said that they had three days to resign or they would be "removed" from office. The Denver FBI division examined the letter and says there is nothing in it that warrants an investigation.

The Colorado State Patrol is responsible for the governors security, and of course is not commenting on what kind of changes are taking place. The governor says this isn't the first time he's had to deal with groups like this. Ritter said he experienced that when he was a prosecutor.

The three days have come and gone and investigators never thought there would be any action taken. they felt this group was not breaking the law and was exercising their rights as Americans with their displeasure.

The FBI says no threat was made in the letters, and if so action would have been taken immediately.

The FBI says they know the people who signed the letters in Colorado, but have not named them. they say the letters were copies of an original letter that members in each state signed and sent to the governors office.

The letters arrived as law enforcement officials appear to be closely monitoring anti-government extremists.

http://www.noco5.com/story.aspx?ID=925&Cat=2

[Libertytree]

Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Restore America Plan - Update 4/6/10 Inside Information

Inside Information Update 4/6/10 – Restore America Plan

The following comes from several ‘real’ intelligence resources, my research and insider sources.


1. There is no shortage of funds for future recovery. Trusts have been established for every administration and these trust funds are available for proper disbursement.

There are vast sums in very high trillions available for Social Security which will not be affected.

2. The military has already informed obama that he is no longer Commander-in-Chief.
3. The closed door emergency meeting of the Federal Reserve on Monday 4/5/10 did discuss the financial default and how to respond to the people’s declaration. They are in panic.
4. There is a “Gag Order” on the governors and other officials who are served. If they say anything, they lose there option to sign on or resign. In short, they will be removed by the military.
5. We are simply sovereigns. Beware of any article using “sovereign citizens”. This is propaganda by the PTB.
6. FBI at high levels were informed about the plan before delivery.
7. Fulford is aware of activities and a participant on worldwide recovery on an international level.
8. There is an international participation in the program(s) which will become more evident in the next few weeks.
9. Bonding will not be available for corporate entities. They will have to operate in the de jour government under the constitution.
10. Corporate government and entities cannot access the C.A.F.R. funds without the bonds.
11. All Bonds have been “arrested” by the republic and cannot be used by the corporate government and entities. The arrest of the bonds-from the U.S. Corporation down to the smallest country will cause a stoppage in all activities. They cannot conduct business as they are not ‘bondable’.
12. Corporate Courts cannot conduct any business without bonds.


Remember – If it looks like Nesara, acts like Nesara and functions like Nesara but spelled
differently ---- IT IS THE RESTORE PLAN

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/04/restore-america-plan-update-4610-inside.html


Holy cannoli's! I do a little work and come back to this!

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?

Beef, If I may ask....Don't you have a solid contact that's privy to a lot of inside intel?

[Cebu_4_2]

The Infamous “Letter to the Governors”

by Keith Johnson

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=7838

Last week, members of an organization calling themselves “Guardians of the Free Republics” made headlines when they were identified as the group responsible for circulating an alleged “threatening” letter to at least 30 State Governors. Mainstream coverage of the story conjured up images of a shadowy league of outlaws “Storming the Bastille” and decapitating the heads of state. Talking heads put on their “serious face” as they marched out the usual cast of twits and fear-mongers to comment on a letter that they’d never seen and defame an organization they’d never heard of.

One such loud mouth is Brian Levin, nephew of SPLC co-founder Joe Levin and Director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University. In a recent CNN interview, Levin stated, “This organization, Guardians of the Free Republics, adheres to part of something called the sovereign citizen movement or the state citizen movement. They believe that there are two types of citizens: free-born white — white Christians, and 14th Amendment citizens, who are people like African-Americans, et cetera. “It consists of people who are not just for low taxes but people who want to opt out of government. And they believe that they have their own sovereign authority and don’t have to pay taxes and could demand that corrupt officials resign or they’ll bring them into their own court system.” Really? If Levin had done his research, he’d have to admit that this group bears no resemblance to the “sovereign citizens” movement whatsoever. But how would he know? How can he comment on a letter that he’d never read?

I don’t profess to know anything at all about the “Guardians of the Free Republic”–but I do know that the following transcript, which I made from a recent audio recording by its apparent author–Sam Kennedy, reveals that they have nothing in common with the “sovereign citizens” movement that I’ve come to know and have fundamental disagreements with. I reserve judgment on this particular group until I have a chance to research them further.

But in the meantime, I invite you to judge for yourself by reading what I believe to be the only copy of the so-called “Letter to the Governors” that is currently available on the World Wide Web. Remember, this is a transcript I made from an audio recording. Punctuation and capitalization are my best reckoning.

Page 1:

The Sovereign People of the United States of America

De Jour Grand Juries of the American Republics held in original jurisdiction on the land of the United States of America convened March 24, 2010

Confidential dispatch for the Governor’s eyes-only

With great pleasure, the De Jour Grand Juries of the 53 American Republics, in comity with the well-regulated Guardians of the Free Republics, duly assembled in all 50 jurisdictions, have the honor of making your acquaintance, and issuing the attached warrant for the arrest of your bond. We have notified the Depository Trust Company where each of these public official’s bonds is being held on deposit and the Government Securities Division of the Fixed Income Clearing Corporation, a division of the Depository Trust Clearing Corporation. You are no longer insured to act in a de facto corporate capacity. The offices are now reabsorbed into the original De Jour capacity on the land, following the law of the land, respecting the Constitution. You can longer make it up as you go. You can no longer make up executive orders imposing your will on the people. It is back to real law, not admiralty fiction. The people are no longer protected against your misdeeds by your bond. All of your actions are now underwritten either by the people’s bond to protect them against accidents and misdeeds, or they can rely upon all of their own property and future labor. As of this day, the office of Governor, in each of the 50 incorporated States is reabsorbed into the De Jour office of Governor of the respective Republic. The armed forces of the United States duly presented with lawful De Jour authority are overseeing the implementation of certain general orders pursuant to the attached “Declaration of Restoration”. As you may have heard, the Free American Republics and the De Jour United States of American Republic have been reinhabited by the sovereign people. As an operation of law, proper sovereign authority has been restored. You are now operating under the bond of the sovereign people and rightful freeholders on the land pursuant to Constitutional limitations. Each of the signatories to the said declaration have expressly, by that action, accepted the Constitution of their respective De Jour Republic and the Constitution for the United States of Americas c. 1787 as binding contracts upon you, thus memorializing their lawful standing and your duty to serve. With the burden of acting as a corporate agent under color of law lifted from your shoulders, this letter is intended to welcome you back to the brotherhood of mankind in the spirit of forgiveness. You and your children are free. The era of illicit corporations and banking cartels posed as legitimate governments is over.

Page 2:

The people are committed to a peaceful, honorable and non-violent transition, which unfolds quietly behind the scenes as a mirror image reversal of the 1933 world coupe. It is the people’s intention, on behalf of your safety, that the general public be no more attuned to the return of their money, law and free holding than it was to their theft in 1933 under executive order 6102 and HJR192. For this reason, all the events described here under are classified top secret.

That’s it—or at least that’s all Kennedy has decided to reveal thus far. The FBI has not released this letter to the general public and probably won’t. I guess they feel it’s better that the public be subjected to the tall tales, allegations and speculation of a media intent on demonizing the patriot community as a whole. Why Kennedy doesn’t want to post this letter in its entirety and lower the veil of secrecy is his business. Me? I’ll take whatever I can get. I’m patient…I can wait. Thanks, Mr. Kennedy…NOW WHERE’S THE REST OF IT!!!

[Cebu_4_2]

Jay, this is so hush hush these people could be making it up for all we know. The De Jour in that update #9 could be from relating to what was said in the online update by Sam Kennedy as to how the first few events will unfold. I don't think whomever wrote it even understands what he is writing about let alone anything regarding spelling of a word I just discovered a few days back.





No, I am referring to your post above, item #9 "de jour"
[/quote]

[Cebu_4_2]

Older updates I missed:

Thursday, April 1, 2010
INTEL 3/31 - The Restore America Plan !!!

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/04/intel-331-restore-america-plan.html

SENTINEL INTELLIGENCE SERVICES, LLC
LYLE J. RAPACKI, Ph.D.
CONSULTANT AT:
Protective Intelligence and Assessment - Behavioral Analysis and Threat Assessment - Independent Intelligence and Information Warfare
Email Briefing Bulletin: Wednesday - March the 31st, 2010 - 1730Hrs, m.s.t. (Arizona)
- - - FLASH TRAFFIC - - - CLASSIFICATION: NOT-CLASSIFIED - FOR PUBLIC DISTRIBUTION
The following information was provided to me at the date and time mentioned above by one of the members of the Grand Jury in accordance with The Restore America Plan.
After intensive planning the past couple of years, with broad ranging cooperation, the Declaration of Orders have been served to all 50-governors; 36-on Monday, March the 29th, and the balance on Tuesday, March the 30th. These documents were signed by 1,350 de jure Grand Jurors - 27 from each state within America. These de jure Grand Juries were seated per military and Supreme Court counsel. The same documents hand-delivered to each governor shall be delivered to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Supreme Court Justices tomorrow, or Friday at the latest. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Justices of the United States Supreme Court are anticipating these documents.
Reports that 3-governors (CA, NY, FL) did not execute the documents are not true. Following the anticipated acceptance by all Governors, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Justices of the Supreme Court:
1. Within 30 to 60 days, ALL mortgages for homes and small businesses will be "zeroed out" - eliminated and title transferred.
2. Social Security payments will not be interrupted.
3. The Health Care Plan WILL NOT be implemented.
4. All property taxes will cease. Schools and other historically tax-driven needs will be funded by alternate means.
5. IRS is terminated. Operations will stop in their present form. Therefore do not sign any IRS forms or agreements. IRS will continue to function in accounting capacities, but NOT AS A TAX COLLECTION OR ENFORCEMENT body of any kind.
6. All current infrastructures will continue to operate. The fundamental change will come with change in the form of governance that will again allow WE THE PEOPLE to chart our future without intrusion from intrusive federal government.
7. DO NOT expect conventional media announcements to be made. This entire process will be low-key, peaceful, discrete, having been well thought out.
I was briefed that much, more will follow.
Quoting the Grand Juror who briefed me personally, and with whom I have reviewed documents..." Personally," he said, "I believe the America - under God, that we have trusted and enjoyed is being given another chance. Or more pointedly, WE THE PEOPLE are being given another chance, and I hope and pray that God is gracious towards us and we are up to the task of restoration."
(END OF BRIEFING)
LYLE J. RAPACKI, Ph.D.
Protective Intelligence and Assessment Specialist
Consultant at Behavioral Analysis and Threat Assessment
Independent Intelligence and Information Warfare Analysis

http://www.guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/front-page.html

[Horn]

Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Restore America Plan - Update 4/6/10 Inside Information

Inside Information Update 4/6/10 – Restore America Plan

The following comes from several ‘real’ intelligence resources, my research and insider sources.


1. There is no shortage of funds for future recovery. Trusts have been established for every administration and these trust funds are available for proper disbursement.

There are vast sums in very high trillions available for Social Security which will not be affected.

2. The military has already informed obama that he is no longer Commander-in-Chief.
3. The closed door emergency meeting of the Federal Reserve on Monday 4/5/10 did discuss the financial default and how to respond to the people’s declaration. They are in panic.
4. There is a “Gag Order” on the governors and other officials who are served. If they say anything, they lose there option to sign on or resign. In short, they will be removed by the military.
5. We are simply sovereigns. Beware of any article using “sovereign citizens”. This is propaganda by the PTB.
6. FBI at high levels were informed about the plan before delivery.
7. Fulford is aware of activities and a participant on worldwide recovery on an international level.
8. There is an international participation in the program(s) which will become more evident in the next few weeks.
9. Bonding will not be available for corporate entities. They will have to operate in the de jour government under the constitution.
10. Corporate government and entities cannot access the C.A.F.R. funds without the bonds.
11. All Bonds have been “arrested” by the republic and cannot be used by the corporate government and entities. The arrest of the bonds-from the U.S. Corporation down to the smallest country will cause a stoppage in all activities. They cannot conduct business as they are not ‘bondable’.
12. Corporate Courts cannot conduct any business without bonds.


Remember – If it looks like Nesara, acts like Nesara and functions like Nesara but spelled
differently ---- IT IS THE RESTORE PLAN

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2010/04/restore-america-plan-update-4610-inside.html


Holy cannoli's! I do a little work and come back to this!

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?

Beef, If I may ask....Don't you have a solid contact that's privy to a lot of inside intel?


Sounds like a plan for disaster if ya ask me.

[beefsteak]

Holy cannoli's! I do a little work and come back to this!

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?

Beef, If I may ask....Don't you have a solid contact that's privy to a lot of inside intel?


LibertyTree,
Your Question about Fullford is something I'm still researching. In this day and age of the "internet," if our beloved FIDO could type, he could masquerade as Joe Biden. LOL

I have a solid contact? Yes. Have I contacted them about this? NO!!!
I'm sure my "contact" is busier than a cranberry merchant around Thanksgiving.
I have set a personal deadline in my own mind as to when I will make contact with that party if this continues to gain steam. Or if it fizzles.

I'm performing "MODD" and trying not to be sucked in by any "non-wet ink" copies of various "letters" floating around. I'm considering them all, and noting the differences and variations in each. Ditto the utterances of people besides the visible Guardian Elders who are speaking on camera, and obviously posted on YouTube by whomever.

I'm exercising personal responsibility by performing my own analysis.

And, exercising considerable personal restraint, frankly. I've picked up the phone many a time, and turned it off again.

After all, isn't all of salvation per se about personal responsibility and acting upon ones personal beliefs in accordance with the Divine Law? I am awaiting "WET INK SIGNATURE" copies from unimpeachable sources--the Army Provost General will do nicely. DItto, united Supreme Court. To date, I have seen none.

Actions speak louder than written documents with wet ink signatures. I'm a patient man. If there is to be a re-swearing in of the 50 state Governors, I'm sure it will make even MSM headlines at some point.

I do confess my personal hope level is rising with each passing day, as things continue to unfold.

beefsteak

[mick silver]

bring it back up .... we can dream i hope this works

[Cebu_4_2]

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?


Nothing forged in steel but everything I see points to this person Benjamin Fulford.

[Libertytree]

Holy cannoli's! I do a little work and come back to this!

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?

Beef, If I may ask....Don't you have a solid contact that's privy to a lot of inside intel?


LibertyTree,
Your Question about Fullford is something I'm still researching. In this day and age of the "internet," if our beloved FIDO could type, he could masquerade as Joe Biden. LOL

I have a solid contact? Yes. Have I contacted them about this? NO!!!
I'm sure my "contact" is busier than a cranberry merchant around Thanksgiving.
I have set a personal deadline in my own mind as to when I will make contact with that party if this continues to gain steam. Or if it fizzles.

I'm performing "MODD" and trying not to be sucked in by any "non-wet ink" copies of various "letters" floating around. I'm considering them all, and noting the differences and variations in each. Ditto the utterances of people besides the visible Guardian Elders who are speaking on camera, and obviously posted on YouTube by whomever.

I'm exercising personal responsibility by performing my own analysis.

And, exercising considerable personal restraint, frankly. I've picked up the phone many a time, and turned it off again.

After all, isn't all of salvation per se about personal responsibility and acting upon ones personal beliefs in accordance with the Divine Law? I am awaiting "WET INK SIGNATURE" copies from unimpeachable sources--the Army Provost General will do nicely. DItto, united Supreme Court. To date, I have seen none.

Actions speak louder than written documents with wet ink signatures. I'm a patient man. If there is to be a re-swearing in of the 50 state Governors, I'm sure it will make even MSM headlines at some point.

I do confess my personal hope level is rising with each passing day, as things continue to unfold.

beefsteak



That's well reasoned and thought out beef, patience is definetly a virtue in this situation as well as keeping any expectations firmly in check, this whole thing could blow up into nothing but an elaborate ruse in a heartbeat. I guess I'm always hoping for a little providence though and try to remain optimistic but all too often those hopes come up short and empty.

One thing about it, there's millions of us tracking this with a vengeance and the truth will shine one way or another, sooner or later.

[SirCruz]

I think it's funny they always label them Christian militia!! Like you have to be a Christian to be in a militia....LOL!

I think this government fears Christians because their leader is the leader of the Dark Side!!

[Cebu_4_2]

That's well reasoned and thought out beef, patience is definetly a virtue in this situation as well as keeping any expectations firmly in check, this whole thing could blow up into nothing but an elaborate ruse in a heartbeat. I guess I'm always hoping for a little providence though and try to remain optimistic but all too often those hopes come up short and empty.

One thing about it, there's millions of us tracking this with a vengeance and the truth will shine one way or another, sooner or later.


We need to stand together in positive thought, just as mentioned in the programs I heard in the links. If we doubt than that is negative energy and this once profound nation needs no more negative energy.

Sometimes I catch myself, other times my wife corrects me and says if I doubt than it is not real. This is very much real and we must hold the faith. I am not into my God your God but do believe there is greater power behind this force to disable the satanic corporation of war and greed over simple power and oil.

I don't like the idea of not knowing especially in our current condition but concentrating on family and stuff must take precedence until this all gets unraveled.

[Cebu_4_2]

I think it's funny they always label them Christian militia!! Like you have to be a Christian to be in a militia....LOL!

I think this government fears Christians because their leader is the leader of the Dark Side!!


I had to reread your post but follow it now, 1 smite point to your archive.

[Libertytree]

That's well reasoned and thought out beef, patience is definetly a virtue in this situation as well as keeping any expectations firmly in check, this whole thing could blow up into nothing but an elaborate ruse in a heartbeat. I guess I'm always hoping for a little providence though and try to remain optimistic but all too often those hopes come up short and empty.

One thing about it, there's millions of us tracking this with a vengeance and the truth will shine one way or another, sooner or later.


We need to stand together in positive thought, just as mentioned in the programs I heard in the links. If we doubt than that is negative energy and this once profound nation needs no more negative energy.

Sometimes I catch myself, other times my wife corrects me and says if I doubt than it is not real. This is very much real and we must hold the faith. I am not into my God your God but do believe there is greater power behind this force to disable the satanic corporation of war and greed over simple power and oil.

I don't like the idea of not knowing especially in our current condition but concentrating on family and stuff must take precedence until this all gets unraveled.


It's the most positive thing I never imagined. The thought that the republic could be saved w/o the pain and misery of the alternative is indeed worthy of the utmost of hope and positivity.

[mick silver]

well said liberty tree ... i just dont see how they can remove the one in power without a fight . but i would hope it could happen ...

[cigarlover]

Well, I'm really sorry to burst your bubbles but this goes nowhere. Not trying to be negative but if this has Fulfords name on it i anyway then its BS. I'm still waiting for his Japanese ninjas to come save the day LMAO.

In case you dont know how TPTB works yet. Heres a clue. They wont reply (Oh thats right theres a gag order attached to this LOL) If anyone tries anything the media will portray them as some whacko extremist and throw em in jail.
Oh and this is typical Fulford antics.. you will see in 30 or 60 days LOL. I'll be back then to eat my words... Not..

Smite away.. ;D

[Libertytree]

well said liberty tree ... i just dont see how they can remove the one in power without a fight . but i would hope it could happen ...


When you say "the one in power" are referring to Obama? I don't think this really applies to him other than the fact that he's not the Commander in Chief, the commander of the military. The powers of the elite are gone w/o the banks and the military. If you read all the info and take it at face value this is HUGE, this is mega historical.

[beefsteak]

well said liberty tree ... i just dont see how they can remove the one in power without a fight . but i would hope it could happen ...

Hi, Mick,

The part of your post re: the CEO of the Federal Corporation, made me smile. Here's why. Allow me to share the following old story? Perhaps you've already heard it!?! It's about a southern preacher instructing young buck preachers-in training on the way to craft and then deliver a good sermon.

The old preacher told the lads, "Every good sermon has 3 main points! First off, ya' tell'em what yer gonna tell 'em. THEN, ya' tell'em. Finally, ya' tell'em what you tol'em, and pronounce the benediction."

Do you see the parallel to the "remove from power" inquiry you posted?

From where I'm observing this historic event, the CEO of the Federal Corporation has heard the first 2 sermon points. Shortly, if all goes according to de jure Declaration by the people using Common Law backed up by the united Supreme Court, and implemented/enforced by the US Military under the directive of united Supreme Court, then we will all witness the "3rd Sermon Point" played out in front of our very eyes.

This is NOT a case of removing CEO Obama from power, but removing the power from the CEO by extricating and freeing the minions/plebes/vassals.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Libertytree,

here're my last thoughts for the evening. It was at the very least amusing today to hear Obama re-jigger the "acceptable use of the nuclear option" of America on the road to disarmament.

The man has just been informed he is no longer Commander-in-Chief. That surely means the "briefcase" containing all the nuclear codes that follows him around constantly has been sterilized at the very least, yes?

It might be just me, but Obama's words splashed on the evening news had an even more sardonic, hollow ring to them this evening.

beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

I may be in error, but from what I read, the law already protects American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled in the united States of America. Their natural and personal liberties are intact. Their absolute ownership of private property IS the law of the land.

Something isn't quite right with the "Guardians".

[beefsteak]

Jet,

to which "expression" of the law are you referring? De facto law or Constitutional de jure law?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. If you are speaking of de jure law, then yes, we are and have been free under the Constitution.

Not so much with de facto Federal Corporation law.

To your 2nd point,
I'm past the point of looking askance at the GOTFR. I'm looking forward to the future with the boot off me and mine's collective necks. And also for the emerging benefits for you and yours, severally and generally.

beefsteak

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

I don't think so Horn.

This might have legs but one thing glares at me imparticular.

T he
R estore
A merica
P lan

Also, the governors have 14 days, not 3 to supposedly comply. This rabbit hole is deep.


Admiral Ackbar, is that you!?!?!?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7351/admiralackbar2jl1.jpg


ROFL

*applause*

[Cebu_4_2]

I may be in error, but from what I read, the law already protects American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled in the united States of America. Their natural and personal liberties are intact. Their absolute ownership of private property IS the law of the land.

Something isn't quite right with the "Guardians".


The USA Patriot act (HR3162) signed under King Bush II removed your rights to trial and all other 'rights' that were previously held. Your ownership of property is limited to the deed that is held at your county which clearly states you are only a tenant, even if said property is paid in full.

[Phenix Pawn]

Let's all sing along...

http://www.brownielocks.com/defenders.html

or most likely

"never herd of again..."

???

as in "don't have a COW man!"

[jetgraphics]

Jet,

to which "expression" of the law are you referring? De facto law or Constitutional de jure law?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. If you are speaking of de jure law, then yes, we are and have been free under the Constitution.

Not so much with de facto Federal Corporation law.



DEE LAW ON DEE BOOKS

The folks who do not comprehend law, argue about "de facto" and "de jure" without end.

Find a law that violates natural and personal liberty of the American national, free inhabitant, domiciled upon his private property within the boundaries of the U.S.A., and I will be persuaded.

Every American's birthright was to rise to sovereignty, at majority, unless he chose otherwise.

The steps for establishing sovereignty, in America, were and are very simple:
1. Be of legal age, and not encumbered by any agreement, compact or surrender of rights,
2. Absolutely own private property, for your domicile.

That's it.

As the "Theory of the Common Law" stated (IIRC), sovereignty and property are inseparable. A king without a domain is merely a traveling prince. To assert sovereign prerogatives, one must have a dominion (private property), absolutely owned. (The biggest mistake made by erstwhile candidates for sovereignty is to fail to have a domicile - a permanent legal home!)

Once you establish a domicile upon your private property, the law is on your side.

[] You can exercise natural liberty (absolute freedom) over your domain, limited only in not violating the rights of another (outside your domain).
[] You can exercise personal liberty (right of locomotion) upon the public roads and waterways, as long as you do not infringe upon others' use.

It's really that simple.

Everything else is derived from consent - to exercise civil or political liberty - to gain entitlements - to trespass upon rights - or otherwise do that which would not be tolerated under the common law.

[MNeagle]

Nice to see you jetgraphics!!

[cigarlover]

Once you establish a domicile upon your private property, the law is on your side.
Can you explain how to do this?

[jaybone]

Once you establish a domicile upon your private property, the law is on your side.
Can you explain how to do this?


I think the first step is to own a home free and clear,
which is out of reach for the vast majority of Americans.
I hope I am wrong, Jet can answer for himself.

[beefsteak]

Jet,

to which "expression" of the law are you referring? De facto law or Constitutional de jure law?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from. If you are speaking of de jure law, then yes, we are and have been free under the Constitution.

Not so much with de facto Federal Corporation law.



DEE LAW ON DEE BOOKS

The folks who do not comprehend law, argue about "de facto" and "de jure" without end.

Jet,

it is my custom to politely reply, even to those who attempt deprecation by patronizing posts in response to a direct question from moi. Sometimes, I mess up and forget. My intent is to be respectful.

I will maintain the high ground here, and declare that--under de jure law--I decline your implied invitation to "argue without end."

I am free. I am sovereign under Divine Law/Nature Law as expressed through de jure, 1791 constitutional law, of the united States of America.

Peace to you.
beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

The answer to the question : HOW, one has to know WHAT a domicile really is.

"DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

Who has a domicile?

"INHABITANT -One who resides actually and permanently in a given place, and has his domicile there."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

What constitutes a PERMANENT home?

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

Though not explicitly stated, it appears that only private property absolutely owned by an individual can be a PERMANENT home. For property held with qualified ownership is limited and restricted, and cannot be presumed to be permanent.


Isn't it a bit curious that we're constantly urged to declare that we are residents residing at residences?

"RESIDENT - ...when used as a noun, means a dweller, habitant, or occupant; one who resides or dwells in a place for a period of more, or less duration... Resident has many meanings in law, largely determined by statutory context in which it is used."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1309

"RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies something more than physical presence and something less than domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal meaning... [One can have many residences but only one domicile]
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

If you claim to be a resident, residing at a residence, you have claimed that you do not have a legal and permanent home, and that you are not an inhabitant.

The vast majority of Americans have declared themselves to be paupers, bankrupts, vagrants, and transients, on government documents.

That is why enumerated socialists need permission (license) and pay a tax to live, work, buy and sell, and hold property - with qualified ownership. And why only "residents" are eligible for licenses (or required to get them).

Since 1933, no one has "PAID" their debts with lawful money - and thus have not alienated title. And since 1935, duly registered socialists are pledged as collateral {human resources} on the impossible public debt.

Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

[beefsteak]

Btw, are they referring to Benjamin Fullford?


Nothing forged in steel but everything I see points to this person Benjamin Fulford.


Cebu_4_2,
thank you for your response. I've not made much headway in researching any more than my existing awareness of Benjamin Fulford. Seems one has to "purchase access to his blog" an activity I'm not wont to do at this point in time.

On a new matter, I thought you might find this of interest.

I just concluded a phone convo with an associate in Canada. Seems his current business deal is at an impasse. It has just happened, and I privately am wondering if the seizure of the surety bonds and insurance held by the GOTFR de jure Grand Juries in the 50 republics is at the bottom of this.

Just thought I'd share this with you and the others.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

The answer to the question : HOW, one has to know WHAT a domicile really is.

"DOMICILE - A person's legal home. That place where a man has his true, fixed, and permanent home and principal establishment, and to which whenever he is absent he has the intention of returning."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.484

Who has a domicile?

"INHABITANT -One who resides actually and permanently in a given place, and has his domicile there."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.782

What constitutes a PERMANENT home?

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106

Though not explicitly stated, it appears that only private property absolutely owned by an individual can be a PERMANENT home. For property held with qualified ownership is limited and restricted, and cannot be presumed to be permanent.


Isn't it a bit curious that we're constantly urged to declare that we are residents residing at residences?

"RESIDENT - ...when used as a noun, means a dweller, habitant, or occupant; one who resides or dwells in a place for a period of more, or less duration... Resident has many meanings in law, largely determined by statutory context in which it is used."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1309

"RESIDENCE - Place where one actually lives ... Residence implies something more than physical presence and something less than domicile. The terms 'resident' and 'residence' have no precise legal meaning... [One can have many residences but only one domicile]
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p.1308, 1309

If you claim to be a resident, residing at a residence, you have claimed that you do not have a legal and permanent home, and that you are not an inhabitant.

The vast majority of Americans have declared themselves to be paupers, bankrupts, vagrants, and transients, on government documents.

That is why enumerated socialists need permission (license) and pay a tax to live, work, buy and sell, and hold property - with qualified ownership. And why only "residents" are eligible for licenses (or required to get them).

Since 1933, no one has "PAID" their debts with lawful money - and thus have not alienated title. And since 1935, duly registered socialists are pledged as collateral {human resources} on the impossible public debt.

Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America.

Jetgraphics,
I would like to know why you have left out the definition of TITLE in your litany?
I don't like being a legal tenant on my land with the naked title still being held by the Admiralty Law, de facto US Federal Corporation as it currently stands.

Also, would you mind stating for the group if you are an at-law, practicing JD?

Thank you.
beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

It is my custom to politely reply, even to those who attempt deprecation by patronizing posts in response to a direct question from moi. Sometimes, I mess up and forget. My intent is to be respectful.

I will maintain the high ground here, and declare that--under de jure law--I decline your implied invitation to "argue without end."

I am free. I am sovereign under Divine Law/Nature Law as expressed through de jure, 1791 constitutional law, of the united States of America.

I apologize for my lapse in decorum. (Lame excuse flag on)
I've been involved with the "New Patriot" movement, since 1989, and have seen too many folks get distracted by bogus legal theories and off point arguments.

The USCON is a contract for specific performance. It has nothing to do with the sovereign people, for they have nothing to do with it.

"But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in Court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution, it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it. The States are the parties to it. And they may complain. . ."
- - -Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. Mayor and Alderman, City of Savannah, 14 Ga. 438, 520 (1854) Supreme Court of Georgia

I rest my case.

No, not really.

Here's the problem -
It's really very simple.

DoI: Men have inalienable rights to life, liberty, reputation, property, contract, etc.
DoI: job #1 - secure rights, job #2 - govern those who consent
Consent waives job #1.
(ex: militia duty - a definite violation of rights if consent was not evident)
Since 1933, no lawful money has circulated, no one has "paid" debt, government assumes you are exercising a privilege, subject to taxation and regulation.
Since 1935, duly enrolled and enumerated "contributors" are eligible for entitlements (charity), are eligible to engage in usury with the Federal Reserve, are pauperized, are bankrupted, are underwriters of the public debt (unpayable), are subjects, are excluded, are status criminals, are obligated to serve government, are required to get permission (license) to travel, wed, enter occupations, open businesses, treat the sick, transmit, fly, build a house, and own a dog.... by consent.
And because no rights are involved, all that remains are privileges, subject to taxation - for living, working, buying, selling, and owning.

In the republican form of government, the American people are the sovereigns, until they surrender that endowment from their Creator, and submit to the government that was once their servant.

Those who wish to change the system without first withdrawing consent, are doomed to failure.
And those who do withdraw consent, have little to revolt against.

The law is very clear - if government is not securing a right, you can assume that consent is behind their "governing".

[jetgraphics]

Jetgraphics,
I would like to know why you have left out the definition of TITLE in your litany?

I don't like being a legal tenant on my land with the naked title still being held by the Admiralty Law, de facto US Federal Corporation as it currently stands.

Also, would you mind stating for the group if you are an at-law, practicing JD?

Thank you.
beefsteak

Working backwards, not a JD, just a former n_word, who ran off massuh's plantation.

A title is a collection of facts, not a piece of paper.

To properly answer the question, you have to know the difference between estate and private property.

Land can be owned absolutely, or held with qualified ownership.


Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217

"OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted. "
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106


"ESTATE - The degree, quantity, nature and extent of interest which a person has in real and personal property. An estate in lands, tenements, and hereditaments signifies such interest as the tenant has therein." - - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.547

INTEREST - ...More particularly it means a right to have the advantage of accruing from anything ; any right in the nature of property, but less than title.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 812

LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877

PROPERTY TAX - "An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city or county, on the value of real or personal property that the taxpayer owns on a specified date."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1218

Estate means temporary / limited / qualified ownership.

Private property = protected from being taken for public use.
Estate = not protected from being taken for public use.

If you bought or sold "real estate" (held with qualified ownership), then it wasn't private property. Since 1935, duly enumerated socialists lack the legal standing to absolutely own private property. They're "human resources", pledged as collateral on the national debt.

Check your own state's constitution for the delegation of power to tax. You should find that it is limited to "real and personal property" (i.e., estate). You will not find any delegation of power to tax private property.

Now, to the issue of TITLE.

TITLE - "The formal right of ownership of property..."
Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1485

TITLE -...A shorthand term used to denote the facts which, if proved, will enable a plaintiff to recover possession or a defendant to retain possession of a thing. Ballantine's Law Dictionary, p. 210

What facts establish allodial title ?
1. Right to own (legal age, unencumbered)
2. Alienated title with lawful money *(uh oh)
3. No superior claim exists

How do you establish these facts?
Bill of sale (not deed) and a 30 day legal notice.

What may amaze folks, is that realty law is separate from private property law.

Remember, estate is that which is held with qualified ownership.

FEE SIMPLE - ... an absolute estate... Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 615
(oxymoron - an absolute "qualified ownership" !)

DEED - A conveyance of realty. Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.414

REALTY - A brief term for real property or real estate. Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1264

A "Title Deed" refers to realty, or real estate, which is an interest in real property, but only for a time, and is not a title to private property held absolutely by an individual.

This long winded explanation is why I omitted a reference to "title".
Furthermore, a title is not a piece of paper "held by the defacto government".

I apologize for my testy replies. I have glaucoma, and my eyes ache, and sometimes, I just get grumpy.

[jetgraphics]

To augment the previous post about the difference between ESTATE and PRIVATE PROPERTY
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1257

From the Texas Constitution:

ARTICLE 8 - TAXATION AND REVENUE
Sec. 1. EQUALITY AND UNIFORMITY; TAX IN PROPORTION TO
VALUE; TAXATION OF TANGIBLE AND INTANGIBLE PROPERTY;
OCCUPATION TAXES; INCOME TAX; EXEMPTION OF HOUSEHOLD GOODS.

(a) Taxation shall be equal and uniform.

(b) All real property and tangible personal property in
this State, unless exempt as required or permitted by this
Constitution, whether owned by natural persons or
corporations, other than municipal, shall be taxed in
proportion to its value, which shall be ascertained as may
be provided by law.


The Texas constitution states that all real and personal
property is subject to their taxing power.

PROPERTY TAX - An ad valorem tax, usually levied by a city
or county, on the value of real or personal property that
the taxpayer owns on a specified date.
Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth ed., p.1218

That definition agrees with the Texas constitution.

In short, the constitutional government of Texas has never, ever
infringed upon the private property rights of the people. The
constitution specifically lists estate as the property type subject to
their power, their rules, and their taxes.

When I did a computer search on the words "private
property", the only place private property is mentioned, is
in the section dealing with water works.
In Article 11- Sec.12, Texas Constitution

Sec. 12. EXPENDITURES FOR RELOCATION OR REPLACEMENT OF
SANITATION SEWER OR WATER LATERALS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

The legislature by general law may authorize a city or
town to expend public funds for the relocation or
replacement of sanitation sewer laterals or water laterals
on PRIVATE PROPERTY if the relocation or replacement is
done in conjunction with or immediately following the
replacement or relocation of sanitation sewer mains or
water mains serving the property. The law must authorize
the city or town to affix, with the CONSENT OF THE OWNER of
the PRIVATE PROPERTY, a lien on the property for the cost
of relocating or replacing the laterals on the property and
must provide that the cost shall be assessed against the
property with repayment by the property owner to be
amortized over a period not to exceed five years at a rate
of interest to be set as provided by the law. The lien may
not be enforced until after five years have expired since
the date the lien was affixed.

Without consent of the owner, the State or local government cannot
affix a lien, nor assess against the property, nor compel repayment.
In short, private property and its owner is NOT subject to their
authority.

In summation, private property is still protected from government.
But socialists lack the legal standing to absolutely own.

[Check your own state constitution for explicit protection for private property versus the power to tax estate.]

Addendum:
Pennsylvania
Sub-chapter TT. LAND USE PLANNING, Sec. 7.771. Commonwealth land use policies. sub-section (c) The constitutional private property rights of Pennsylvanians must be preserved and respected.

(Yet the constitution levies a tax on estate!)

[jetgraphics]

The law does not trespass upon the natural and personal liberty of the free inhabitants domiciled in these united States of America.

However, if one has consented, and changed status, then all bets are off.

That's why asserting "de facto" and "de jure" arguments are nugatory. The constitutional government has not passed one law that violates the sovereignty, freedom and independence of the American people.

But those po' U.S. citizens / residents, residing at residences, duly enumerated and enrolled into socialist insecurity, pledged as collateral on the impossible to pay public debt, eligible for charity from the public treasury, engaged in usury with instrumentalities of the Federal Reserve corporation, not paying debts with lawful money, are s.o.l. (politically correct term : status criminals)

[beefsteak]

Jet,

I've read your responses. Thank you for your effort.

I am not persuaded.

I'm also unclear as to what "weight" you apparently expect me or others to assign your "involved with the Patriot Movement since 1989" statement of personal fact.

I've been involved with golf since 1972. It does not make me a professional golfer. Nor does it make me qualified to comment upon other golfers, the "rules of the PGA" or apply for a commentators' job on the national sports' venues. I'm simply an observer when I'm not butchering the links.

GOTFR is a new de jure action, supported by the US Military, and overseen by the S.C. All the other exposure, story telling and anecdotes comprise a minor footnote in the People's American History in my mind.

beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

I've read your responses. Thank you for your effort. I am not persuaded. I'm also unclear as to what "weight" you apparently expect us to assign your "involved with the Patriot Movement since 1989"

I've been involved with golf since 1972. It does not make me a professional golfer.

Your rebuttals are lacking in substance.

My statement of involvement was to illustrate that I have heard this (ahem) heifer dung, for decades. GOTFR is not on point, and has no basis in law.

Produce ONE LAW that explicitly violates the sovereignty, freedom and independence of the free inhabitants, domiciled within the boundaries of the U.S.A.

Show a law that trespasses upon the natural and personal liberty of the American people.

But if all you can dredge up are statutes that refer to those who have given consent to be governed, then don't blame some mysterious "de facto" government. It's CONSENT that's to blame.

Since you're not persuaded to READ THE LAW for yourself, and are assured that your sources for "DE FACTO" tyranny are not based on your own consent, then you should not read the following.

STOP ...
GO BACK...
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED...

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and]
statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct.
2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61
S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any
person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

Then peruse any offensive law and determine if it only applies to "PERSONS".
If it does, then it does not apply to the sovereign PEOPLE... unless they consent.

More data on the sovereignty of American people:
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1264.0

[beefsteak]

Jetgraphics,

You are correct, I am not posting rebuttals to you. I stated clearly I would not be drawn into "argument" with you.

You are confusing my courteous declarative responses with "rebuttals." Rebuttals are a debating technique. I still will not participate in a debate with you.
http://www.actdu.org.au/archives/actein_site/basicskills.html

I have volitionally limited my energy expended with regards to you. Ditto limiting my cites for you to view and formulate a response to. This is not withheld out of fear, nor any perceived lack on my part, lack real or imagined. Where I might be enticed into debate with some, I do not debate patronizing, deprecating posters.

I'm focused on current history, not 22 years of your previous conclusions based upon your unpleasant exposure. You win in that argument. No beef from here.

I do consider my precious sovereignty and re-claiming my rights under de jure law instead of admiralty, de facto law thereof a precious opportunity.

Truth be told, to read your characterization of your some 22 years of involvement with the "Patriot Movement" as "heifer dung" is just plain sad. Such verbiage reveals more about the speaker than constitutes any prismatic reflection upon the current declaration supported by the US Military and directed by the Supreme Court and served upon the 50 governors, March 29 - April 1. Mar 26-30 is corrected info.
beefsteak

[Libertytree]

I'm sure it's obvious and apparent that I'm a layman in both interpreting and dissecting the many legalese terms brought out in this thread, to say I even have a loose handle on them is probably an overstatement.

So, speaking as a layman, pauper, status criminal and a common man I must admit all this jargon irritates the hell out of me. It seems as if the law itself has been perverted, twisted and turned inside out to use against the good people of this country. Am I the only one who thinks that the founders wanted us to be anything but sovereign individuals? That the splitting of all these tiny legal hairs is repugnant to the Constitution and the very fabric America arose from? This BS is contrary to what I believe was the original intent.

I know what I speak doesn't cut it in a court of law but that's besides the point, I was born a sovereign person, given that distinction by my creator along with unalienable rights and just because some evil, nefarious lawyers, past and present, have constructed a clever labyrinth of rules, terms, laws does not change this fact.

And some rule that says just because I don't own my home outright disqualifies me from being a sovereign man in these United States is utter BS, you're either a free sovereign or you're not. Because I'm a renter I'm less?

I'm not arguing really, I'm just saying these things are or should be self evident.

[beefsteak]

Libertytree,

I hear you.

If only we were dealing with each other as sovereigns instead of dealing with each other as corporations.

Your sovereignty rights IN THE EYES OF THE STATE and STATES were given away when your strawman corporation was created as the result of your parental application for your Certificate of Live Birth.

Since your parental applicant did not KNOW---due to lack of full disclosure by the individual state corporation that owned you at your point of birth---that s/he was surrendering your sovereignty in the EYES OF THE STATE and STATES, that removal of your God Given Dominion was a fraudulent taking without informed consent.

Therein lies the rub.

If only we were dealing directly with the Divine Creator.....


beefsteak

[Libertytree]

"Do to the fact of full disclosure"

This should nullify any "contract" held against us.

Beef, as much as I want direly and pray and wish for a peaceful solution, sometimes I think our only recourse is the 2cnd. Thank God I'm wrong alot.

I'm past the legal hurdle jumping, where people pay xxx to file this and that BS documents, F that, I'm not filing anything!!!!

The hell of it is, given what I make $$ wise, I could clean up with all the freebies I could get but that goes against everything I believe in, I refuse to live at your or anybody's elses expense, kill me 1st.

Lower case, upper case...it's all BS semantics that have no place in the American lexicon.

[beefsteak]

Libertytree,

I hear your frustration. And since there are so many of us who have been deliberately ignored, irritated and feeling similar feelings which you expressed, not only do we "hear" you, many feel pretty much as you stated!

I'm personally left WONDERING what the motivation behind all the "system wide abuse" is. Like, what is their end game? Take that unholy Health Care Bill which mandates for the first time in US History, that persons purchase a private product/service or break the new legal mandate. Say WHAT?????

I keep hearing pundits on various talk shows, who aren't even discussing the GOTFR! hypothesize the endgame is to give an excuse to "the bankers" to spark a second civil war. ON OUR SOIL!!! How depraved!

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,

Just found this "open letter" on the web, courtesy of a friend of a friend of a friend. LOL

Letter sent to Nevada Appeal on “Restore America Plan"
reported by Geoff Dornan, gdornan@nevadaappeal.com
(The Nevada Appeal is the daily newspaper in Carson City, Nevada.
It story is dated April 2, 2010)



Dear Concerned Press at Nevada Appeal:

I am sure that you are all dedicated to reporting your local news with absolute honesty and that you endeavor to inform your readers of the truth of what is happening in the world around them. Assuming this is true, I feel it necessary to give you some more information about what is really happening with your state capitol.

Please understand that the title of the article, "Capitol locked down in wake of threats" is inaccurate in precise representation of the truth.

It is true that the capitol was locked down because of "letters" sent to the governor.

However, the "letter" received by all 50 governors is actually a Declaration from a lawful Grand Jury of 26 people in each state which is endeavoring to re-establish the true Republic in a peaceful and lawful manner.

It does not represent a "threat" from an "extremist" (as is commonly associated with "terrorist" in the media today) group but instead it is a real, legally binding document which is presented by a Grand Jury of regular people which declares that the governor, lieutenant governor, secretary of state, controller and treasurer all must have lawful oaths of office in order operate in their respective positions.

The bonds which they all operate under have been effectively seized and noticed to be null and void.

The package includes the following;
Declaration,
Warrants,
Orders to the Governors,
General orders to the military.

It is not a threat, it is a truth that must be complied with or there will be consequences, not of violence, but legal recourse.

There is much to learn and understand about what is contained in the package that was received at the Capitol on Monday. I have included some sources below to help you understand who and what is behind the lock down. Please do the right thing by investigatin thoroughly what is happening and do not just listen to one party. Misinformation is rampant in our country. Please do not make yourselves a part of the problem.

A De Jure Grand jury made up of 26 Nevada Republic citizens are committed to re-establishing a De Jure government in your state please investigate the veracity of what they are going to do. It is a news story in progress and there will be more odd things happening in your Capitol...

What is happening is a peaceful effort to restore America to its rightful state. I am sure many in your state will be happy to hear the good news. Be the first to give it to them.

Sincerely,

D Merlin Campbell
http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20100402/NEWS/100409958/1070&ParentProfile=1058


Anyone know this D. Merlin Campbell?

Please note, the insertion of paragraphs and bullet points is mine because I found it easier to read. beefsteak.

[jetgraphics]

The issue is that folks who think that they are "de jure" government are actually subjects of the government - the constitutional government- until they withdraw consent.

And once they withdraw consent - they cannot exercise political liberty - vote and hold office.

This is the problem that the DE FACTO proponents will not recognize.

The best analogy is that the government is a SHIP of STATE, hired to do certain jobs (secure rights) - and govern those who are IN THE SHIP.

Those who are IN THE SHIP, are telling each other that the captain and officers are DISOBEDIENT, and should be replaced - or ELSE!

But that is mutiny, and they will "walk the plank".

The remedy is not to be IN the Ship of State, but be on dry land (law of the land). But to be on "dry land" (common law) you cannot be IN the SHIP.

Folks who are stomping about, claiming all sorts of legal authority to commit mutiny, and abrogate their agreement, fail to realize that they VOLUNTEERED to embark on the trip.

As previously stated, the Declaration of Independence spells it out:
Job #1 - secure rights, and
Job #2 - govern those who consent.

If you haven't given consent, all you can ask government to do is help secure rights.
But once you have given consent, you've WAIVED job #1.

Easiest proof is the militia, which, from 1777 onward, was all able bodied male CITIZENS, obligated to train, fight, and die on command. If consent was not given, it would be a violation of the right to life, liberty, etc, etc.

Citizenship must be voluntary.
ALL CITIZENS ARE SUBJECTS.
ALL have surrendered their sovereignty.
If you ARE a sovereign, you cannot engage in political liberty. You cannot vote for the "ship's officers". You cannot serve in the ship.

You can call yourself "sovereign" but the law on the books says if YOU exercise political liberty - you are THEIRS to command. You can be compelled to serve on the jury, pay taxes, register your property, and a host of other rules and regulations.

So if you truly want to be left alone - get off their boat - and stop rocking it.

[jetgraphics]

P.S. - - - I was originally fooled by the proponents of the "de facto" versus "de jure" government.

Only after reading the law, myself, did I realize that they're basing their arguments on non-fact.

You can easily prove me wrong - find ONE LAW that trespasses upon the private property rights of the free inhabitant, domiciled within a state in union with 49 other states in the USA. Find ONE LAW that violates the natural and personal liberty of the American national, sovereign over his domain.

I may be wrong, but in all my research I have yet to find a law that does.
So that means the CONSTITUTIONAL government is not outside the terms of their agreement.

The American people have "volunteered", and by stubborn ignorance, refuse to recognize their bad judgment in this matter.

[jetgraphics]

FOREIGN SOVEREIGN IMMUNITIES ACT OF 1976
§ 1603. Definitions
For purposes of this chapter --
(a) A "foreign state", ...
(3) which is neither a citizen of a State of the United States
as defined in section 1332 (c) and (d) of this title, nor created
under the laws of any third country.

(An American national, free inhabitant, non-citizen of a State of the U.S., nor under the laws of any third country appears to fit the definition. If ever I get a domicile, one of the first things I will do is contact the State department of the State and Federal government, to inform them of my status, and ask for their assistance to prevent any future misunderstandings with "Public Servants.")

And the sole mention of American nationals, in the 1992 edition of the 50 titles of the U.S. Code:

Title 8, U.S.C.S 1502 - Certificate of nationality issued by the Secretary of State for person not a naturalized citizen of the United States for use in proceedings of a foreign state.

The Secretary of State is authorized to issue, in his discretion and in accordance with rules and regulations prescribed by him, a certificate of nationality for any person not a naturalized citizen of the United States who presents satisfactory evidence that he is an American national and that such certificate is needed for use in judicial or administrative proceedings in a foreign state. Such certificate shall be solely for the use in the case for which it was issued and shall be transmitted by the Secretary of State through appropriate channels to the judicial or administrative officers of the foreign state in which it is to be used.

What more do you want the FEDS to do for you?

[jetgraphics]

I may be in error, but from what I read, the law already protects American nationals, free inhabitants, domiciled in the united States of America. Their natural and personal liberties are intact. Their absolute ownership of private property IS the law of the land.

Something isn't quite right with the "Guardians".


The USA Patriot act (HR3162) signed under King Bush II removed your rights to trial and all other 'rights' that were previously held. Your ownership of property is limited to the deed that is held at your county which clearly states you are only a tenant, even if said property is paid in full.


Please present the specific text in support of your claim.

As stated in previous postings, the term "person" excludes the sovereign, saith their courts.

A small except from the act -

(d) DEFINITIONS- Section 1030(e) of title 18, United States Code is amended--
`(12) the term `person' means any individual, firm, corporation, educational institution, financial institution, governmental entity, or legal or other entity.'.

But explicitly excludes the sovereign American people.
So where's the beef?
The reams and reams of the law have no applicability to the liberties of the sovereign people.

"In common usage, the term 'person' does not include the sovereign, [and]
statutes employing the [word] are ordinarily construed to exclude it."
Wilson v. Omaha Indian Tribe, 442 U.S. 653, 667, 61 L.Ed2. 153, 99 S.Ct.
2529 (1979)
(quoting United States v. Cooper Corp. 312 U.S. 600, 604, 85 L.Ed. 1071, 61
S.Ct. 742 (1941)).

"A Sovereign cannot be named in any statute as merely a 'person' or 'any
person'".
Wills v. Michigan State Police, 105 L.Ed. 45 (1989)

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1264.msg12246#msg12246

[beefsteak]

TWITTER UPDATE

# Sam k. affirms all the state governors are now absorbed back into dejure process.
6:58 PM Apr 4th via Echofon

(sorry, I just found this, so it's not the most recent TWEET - )

[jetgraphics]

http://www.wtvbam.com/news/articles/2010/apr/03/governors-receive-letter/
At first it was 30 Governors, including Governor Granholm who received letters from the group, "Guardians of the Free Republic", warning them to leave office or face removal in three days. It turned out the group mailed them to all 50 Governors.

Granholm never actually saw the letter. A staffer opened it and forwarded it to the state police.

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,

I just heard a 4/7 phone interview of Guardian Elder Tim Turner.

He stated the service was completed on most of the 50 govs on the 26th of March, and definitely the last one was served on the 30th. That is a direct quote as best I can quote a phone conversation.

He stated on Wednesday evening 4/7, that about a dozen of the individual republics websites have been revamped since the service. Where before ALL of them had their republic's name in ALL CAPS as DE FACTO ADMIRALTY LAW DICTATED CORPORATIONS, those dozen have begun to comply already with the ordered changes in the letter to the govs and now reflect either all lower cap, OR the removal of the words STATE OF xxxxxx, and to just call their official website by its republic name.

Since all 50 STATE websites were uniform prior to Gov Service and receipt of Orders, he cited his before service observations and post service anecdotally noted the differences in official communication as the result of renouncing their CORPORATE DE FACTO CORPORATION NAME.

Altho' I haven't listened far enough into the call to see if this was mentioned or not by Elder Turner, I have taken note of the following larger arena action, thanks to Ron Paul's "dailypaul.com" node modality...a totally unfamiliar node designation presentation before 2 hours ago. I'm still poking around on that site looking and getting a feel for what is available on those nodes.

That's the total of my recollection of the 1st 37minutes of this 1.5hr phone interview.

The headline states:
Fannie Bars Foreclosure Actions in the NAME of MERS.
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http://www.dsnews.com/articles/fannie-bars-foreclosure-actions-in-name-of-mers-2010-04-01

With service completed upon the 30th, when most got their service on the 26th of March, including the General Order to GSE Fannie Mae included in those 20+ pages of Orders, this is too much of convenient timing for this GSE's pro-activeness for me to write it off as co-incidental.

It is widely reported that the size of the MERS pool of mortgages is in excess of 60 MILLION HOMES. What portion is FANNIE MAE's I do not know.

But it is clear that a portion of this huge pool of messy mortgages wealth transfer to European Bankers has now halted.

I have to go pick up my car dealership where I took it for an alignment. I'll post more later as I learn of it.

WHAT A GLORIOUS NEW DAY THIS IS for all of us as Americans!!!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Cebu_4_2]

Beef, I can't seem to copy and paste much of what you posted but in my small memory will only state that MERS has absolutely NO authority to foreclose on anyone, I have their in office memo for every state PDF'd if you need it...

Anyways I found this little tidbit but as everything can not confirm. Just picked it off this link:

http://americangrandjury.org/special/comments/guardians/index.php?num=750

Below is a brief run down of Tim Turners call in case you can't get it...

Restore American Plan – RAP Update 4/9/10

It is a DONE DEAL!!! OUR REPUBLIC HAS SUCCESSFULLY BEEN PUT BACK IN POWER. All very quietly, efficiently and absolutely.

1. All 50 states were served as of March 30.
2. 135 Congressman stole money from Bailout and put it in accounts overseas. It has been confiscated.
3. Obama tried to float bond on several Trillion in Switzerland last week and was turned down flat.
4. Congress has no bonds and no money and cannot pass anymore bills.
5. FBI talked to Tim personally. They said they were very concerned that they were working for the Corporation, that it was bankrupt and being liquidated. they also said that what RAP did was totally within the law in every respect.
6. FBI came back and went through training session to learn more about the law as regards the Republic.
7. United States has HUGE amounts of money that now belong to the Republic and backed by gold. (Sounded like CAFRs to me)
8. Tim has talked personally to many very, very super wealthy folks world wide who have offered all the money we might need to succeed in taking this country back. (he describes some of them)
9. There will be no lobbyists in the Republic.
10. There will be no Sharia law. ((laughing))
11. Wash D.C. is not owned by the U.S. but by the IMF.
12. 70% of our income now goes to all kinds of taxes. Most of these will be eliminated.
13. Congress will stop receiving paychecks. so will Obama.
14. Currency change could come as early as next week.
15. Military is fully behind this plan because they were going to be absorbed into the NWO and they didn’t like that idea much. Obama is here to turn us over to the NWO.
16. We have support of many countries around world which have offered to help.
17. Going back to point in government before the Civil War.
18. Waiting on directions from Military and others in gov right now as this process of education of many good people unfolds.
19. We will be taking back all of the lands that we ‘donated’ to the UN.
20. MSNBC apparently announced the ‘Greatest Ponzi Scheme’ in the world today and did a piece on it: Federal Reserve. This is BIG.

That is a small recap of what he talked about. Oh it was mentioned that Joe Biden may have taken $100 million.

[Cebu_4_2]

There are a ton of schills on that link, this forum, GIM whatever version it's up to and of course the MSM.

I did read that MSNBC did a show on the occupation of the current US government but did not see it personally.

Just looked at GWM (G was M) and the schills are piling on this and against like pigs in slop. Now thinking back on it... I wont even comment.

The more the schills the more I think that this is really true stuff. Wish it could be stickied and people not interested can just flash right by to other places.

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,

Thanks for that update.

I am only able to listen to about 5 minutes of that live Elder Turner interview link. Is it uploaded in its entirety somewhere else on the net? Those 20 bullet points you listed makes me hungry to hear those points with my own two ears!!!

This is incredible!

beef

[Libertytree]

Incredible ain't the word for it!!! Monumentally Historical would even be an understatement. I really want to believe but I'm still capn cautious and have to temper my feelings until there's proof in the puddin'.

[Libertytree]

Is this what you're lookin' for beef? I haven't listened to it all but it sounds good so far.

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

[mick silver]

thanks all for the info . i just hope to see an hear it also . this is a plus if it carry and weight

[nunya]

20. MSNBC apparently announced the ‘Greatest Ponzi Scheme’ in the world today and did a piece on it: Federal Reserve. This is BIG.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm1ntw_4dM

[beefsteak]

Is this what you're lookin' for beef? I haven't listened to it all but it sounds good so far.

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

LT, thanx!

I just got through listening to 61 minutes of that Guardian Elder Tim Turner interview last night. It is being re-broadcast frequently for 24hours. Then I hope it makes it to the net.

THAT WAS EXHILARATING!!! WOW!

Got one confession to make. I haven't told the wife yet that there is no conversational talking points about her currently not having the right to vote anymore! :o By taking the republic back constitutionally up to and including the 13th amendment, the sufferage movement is if it never happened.

However, I'm of the opinion GOTFR does not want Amercian Women in their faces or on their collective arses. ::) So, I'm willing to wager, that women's right to vote will be solved and resolved before the fall elections, 2010.

I gave a war hoop when I learned the paychecks to congress and Barry were going to be cut off shortly because the Federal Corporation is broke broke broke. And they have all those goofy worthless mortgages on their asset side of their fraudulent books.

I also nearly fell out of my chair when I heard Guardian Turner state without a doubt that Barry tried to float a multiple trillion dollar bond in Switzerland last week and was turned down cold due to the RAP/GOTFR having revoked all bonds of the corporation rendering the Federal Corporation penniless and credit-less.

That was an eye-opening interview, on many many levels. WOW!

beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

[Crystal Ball Flag On]
I have zero confidence in The Restore America Plan.

http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/immidiate_goals.html

One of the purported goals:
Restoration of the common law of the Land

That is patently absurd - and shows total ignorance of the law.

There never were constitutional common law courts.
At the ratification of the USCON, all common law courts were abolished. (I found this out in a Georgia Law history book. Before the USCON, Georgia had nothing but common law courts!)
Only the RULES of the common law would be preserved, pursuant to the 7th amendment. (Which requires more than 20 dollars in lawful money - gold or silver coin)

Why? The supremacy clause in Article 6 makes state officers and officials submit to the USCON, thus surrendering their sovereign status.

The common law is the prerogative of sovereigns. An example of the common law is the protection of private property with deadly force:
"Private property - No Trespassing - Trespassers will be shot!"

I have citations (from the 18th century) wherein the courts remarked that the common law is too harsh for a democracy. (I will have to dig through my files...)

In addition, these "Guardians" do not have the status to command the servant government.

Our government is founded upon compact. Sovereignty was, and is, in the people.
[ Glass vs The Sloop Betsey, 3 Dall 6 (1794)]

Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts. And the law is the definition and limitation of power....
[Yick Wo vs Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 370 (1886)]

NO AMERICAN GOVERNMENT CAN BE "RESTORED" TO SOVEREIGNTY. All American governments are servants of the sovereign people - UNLESS - those people surrendered that sovereignty, by compact / consent.

And I have yet to find one notation that the "Guardians" have extricated themselves from those pesky compacts like national socialism and political liberty and usury.

Lastly, there is no such thing as a sovereign citizen.
A citizen is a subject.
A sovereign is not.

I smell a TRAP... or worse... a coup. If the military are truly involved, kiss America good bye.

Stock your pantry - - - the fuse may be already lit.

[Horn]

I'm still uninformed from the evening news, how many days do they have left to Stand Down?

[Libertytree]

The way I understood it, next Friday, the 15th.

[Carl]

Read the law in ignorence and you'll come away with ignorant beliefs.

A sovereign citizen of a community or a state has, by virtue of that citizenship, the right to determine the nature and type of government that shall be in-placed to uphold the laws created by and through the people's just consent, held in common by the citizens of that community or state, through which a civilization is made possible.

It is through our status as sovereign citizens and through our consent that governments are created in service to law and our common good and it is through our status as sovereign citizens that we retain the right to dissolve and remove from effect that government when it becomes destructive to the law and our common good. This is a right held by the citizen alone.

The notion that a citizen = subject therefore incompatible with individual sovereignty is fundamentally flawed in the extreme and demonstrates a total ignorance of both the historical and philosophical foundations of the subject matter.

[mick silver]

beefsteak do you have links for the places your hearing this thanks mick

[beefsteak]

Mick,

I listened to the same 61 minutes Cebu_4_2 heard, thanks to Cebu_4_2 posting that link before the "live button" was disconnected. Libertytree also posted it.

It is still on as of a few seconds ago: altho' it the 1st 25% of the replay is already completed in this re-play. (12:26PM EDT)

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

It was only going to re-run for a 24hr loop after the interview was completed. It appears that it is currently in a longer loop than the original 24hrs promised.

I hope it is then going to be available via some archival function.

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

Mick,

I listened to the same 61 minutes Cebu_4_2 heard, thanks to Cebu_4_2 posting that link before the "live button" was disconnected. Libertytree also posted it.

It is still on as of a few seconds ago: altho' it the 1st 25% of the replay is already completed in this re-play. (12:26PM EDT)

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

It was only going to re-run for a 24hr loop after the interview was completed. It appears that it is currently in a longer loop than the original 24hrs promised.

I hope it is then going to be available via some archival function.

beefsteak



That certainly is a compelling piece!

We can only hope!

CC

[Horn]

Is there some sort of list available as to the agents (military or otherwise) who have signed on their services & support to the demands?

[johnlvs2run]

Is there some sort of list available as to the agents (military or otherwise) who have signed on their services & support to the demands?


How about a list of those who have not. :)

[Horn]

Is there some sort of list available as to the agents (military or otherwise) who have signed on their services & support to the demands?


How about a list of those who have not. :)


You mean like a "target" list? 8)

[beefsteak]

Personally, I am not aware of either "list" suggested by you, Horn or Johnlvs2run. If there IS such a list, I'd personally wager it is in the hands of the US Military who have been conducting and are still conducting the briefings based upon their already pre-identified "need to know" list. I most assuredly don't have "that list, either."

Some of those "need to know" briefings i would assume would be
existing cabinet members, excluding Barry,
US Mail which entity has the largest, most accurate address list data base in the nation,
the Native American councils,
the various DMVs or equivalents in the 50 republics,
the BLM,
the FS,
the heads of various infrastructure utilities in the 50 republics,
the 50 republics' Attorneys General,
various re-absorbed judicial bench-holders, etc.,
as well as foreign powers and non-US Military counterparts in foreign nations.
This "list" is from off the top of my head, thinking logically.

If I ever had faith in our men and women in the service of our great republic, it is most definitely now!!!


This has been most carefully crafted, as all United States of America high level military ops are. I feel extremely blessed to be living in the land of the most advanced, most excellent, most feverently freedom loving military on the globe!

When our "need to know" level is reached, we will be informed of the expectations and changes. I'm sure the validations will be provided at that future point in time. At this moment, the validations are closely held, which is perfectly logical.

Please keep in mind, G.E. Turner has stated "this is an 8-10 year implementation plan" in order to keep the peace in order to make the transition which has occurred, orderly.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[beefsteak]

NEWS FLASH!!!!! JUST FOUND THIS!!!!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29341208/Restore-America-Plan-Declaration-Pages

The entire Old English presentation UNSIGNED copy served on the 50 state governors which restored the Republic of the United States of America under de jure action!

WOW!

Can read without become a subscriber. Cannot download unless you are a subscriber.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Puzzling to me is the remaining inclusion of John Corzine as Governor of the State of New Jersey, when Chris Christie replaced him.

Does anyone know the score on New Jersey?

I have to conclude this is still a recent copy of what was actually presented unless someone can explain to me why Corzine is still listed.

I do understand that the language in said web stored scribd file speaks to "heirs and assigns" which obviously Chris Christie is.

Looking forward to having this little mystery cleared up.

beefsteak

[jetgraphics]

Read the law in ignorence and you'll come away with ignorant beliefs.

A sovereign citizen of a community or a state has, by virtue of that citizenship, the right to determine the nature and type of government that shall be in-placed to uphold the laws created by and through the people's just consent, held in common by the citizens of that community or state, through which a civilization is made possible.

It is through our status as sovereign citizens and through our consent that governments are created in service to law and our common good and it is through our status as sovereign citizens that we retain the right to dissolve and remove from effect that government when it becomes destructive to the law and our common good. This is a right held by the citizen alone.

The notion that a citizen = subject therefore incompatible with individual sovereignty is fundamentally flawed in the extreme and demonstrates a total ignorance of both the historical and philosophical foundations of the subject matter.


It's a common mistake to make. Many are misled to assume that "everybody" born in America must be a citizen, therefore must be sovereign. That is not correct.

Citizenship is a step DOWN in status.
Public service is a step DOWN in status.

The Queen of England (sovereign) is not a citizen.
No sovereign is a citizen.

Please produce one shred of evidence in support that a citizen is not a subject.
A citizen is obligated to perform civic duties (jury duty, militia duty) or face punishment.
A citizen is obligated to pay taxes, or face punishment.

A sovereign American, domiciled in the USA, is not obligated to perform.

In Article IV of Confederation, it expressly states that free inhabitants have all the privileges and immunities of the free citizens.

I've looked in many state constitutions (not all) and statutes (not all) , and have yet to find ONE that impairs the natural and personal liberty of the free inhabitants.

But if you're a CITIZEN, you're THEIRS - to command.

Remember, militia duty was obligatory from DAY ONE.

The Declaration of Independence spells out the two jobs:
1. Secure rights (life, liberty, etc)
2. Govern those who consent.

Once consent is given, job #1 is waived.

If that's "wrong interpretation", please produce FACTS in rebuttal.

But from all the citations that state the PEOPLE are sovereign, I have not found ONE that says the CITIZEN is sovereign.

If you assume people means citizens, then you have deceived yourself.

Check the USCON, carefully, and you shall find that when it is about powers and rights, it uses the term "people". But when it refers to privileges and immunities, it uses the term "citizens".

In addition, I suspect that many self proclaimed "sovereign citizens" have retained their enrollment in national socialism and usury (interest bearing bank accounts). Those compacts have seriously impaired their status at law, since they are only available to those who lack sovereign status.

[Gaillo]

Due to user request, and the importance of the topics discussed in this thread, I've sticky'ed it in General Discussion for a while.

Libertytree, let me know if you want to keep this here, or move it to the news sub-forum.

Gaillo

[jetgraphics]

This was forwarded to me by a correspondent:

Kennedy & Turner et al, are Redemptionists/UCC'rs**, as most of their followers are. Turner (Alabama domiciled) claims to have worked for FEMA for about ten (10) years while becoming very familiar w/multidimensional Treasury funding & accounting processes, etc. He has developed a intricate scheme/system of executing redemption via registering "official looking" silver bonded birth certificates simultaneously with several other "strawman" property docs that were created by corp. gov't, e.g., the SSN application/card, personal & real property ownership, SSS application/draft card/oaths, all types of bank & investment accounts, bla bla.

(**you can spell that as C-O-N-M-E-N)

Hang on to your wallet!

[beefsteak]

beefsteak do you have links for the places your hearing this thanks mick

Mick,
someone on another forum was kind enough to post the entire 2nd Hour's complete transcript as best they could, of G.Elder Sam Kennedy's "Take No Prisoners" RBN broadcast last Sunday night 4/6. He himself addressed his listeners in his Guardian Elder role, as well as had 2 of the other three Guardian Elders as his guests last week. G.E. Tim Turner was unavailable for the broadcast.

At this point there is no indication as to if there is a guest tonight, or what the show agenda is at 8pm-10pm EDT.

However, I'll be listening in for my very first time, live. I felt it important to do so, after reading the transcript of 4/6 program mentioned above.

After the wonderful week just ended, with the swearing in of all 50 Governors of their respective republics, I can hardly fathom G.E. Sam Kennedy, MD talking about anything BUT the Restore America Plan currently unfolding!

Mick, you might be interested in being on line for tonight's Dr. Kennedy Broadcast.
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?page_id=5
Scroll down to the lower right part of this link, and you'll find the ability to listen in live,
EASTERN DAYLIGHT TIME. (G.E. Sam Kennedy, MD resides in Florida if memory serves.)

The posted intro on that segmented summary schedule pages states this:

TAKE NO PRISONERS

Host(s): Dr. Sam Kennedy

Show Time: Sundays, 7:00 PM – 9:00 PM CDT

Dr. Sam Kennedy, author of the Instant Criminal Complaint, is known around the world for his creative court-stopping solutions to personal tragedy. Having taught thousands of men and women to settle their cases honorably, pay the bill, and use proof of claim, Sam reveals the intricacies of cutting-edge law merchant remedies in “Take No Prisoners” every Sunday night at 8 PM CST. Whether you are warehoused as a political prisoner or on the fast track to a debtors nightmare, or simply want to know more about converting liability to 3rd party defendants using the Beneficiaries-in-Common payment method, Sam may have the tonic for what is ailing you. A semi-retired doctor who treats pain disorders, Sam served as a journalist and professional writer for many years. Especially if you are in the battle of your life, tune in “Take No Prisoners” every Sunday night.

I'll double check the time zone and be back to do a "strikeout" if I messed up the time zone part of this post. P.S. EDT and CDT are both correct.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

LibertyTree,

Here is the transcript of G.E. Sam Kennedy, MD, HOUR 2: from 4/6 RBN broadcast.

[quote]
“With great pleasure, the De jure Grand Juries of the 50 free American Republics in comiti (acting in concert with), the well regulated Guardians of the Free Republics duly assembled in all 50 jurisdictions have the honor of making your acquaintance and issuing the attached warrant for the ARREST of your BOND.”

“What’s an ‘arrest’?
"Well, this is not a CRIMINAL arrest. It’s a CIVIL arrest.”

“We have notified the Depository Trust Company (where each of these public official’s bond is being held on deposit) and the Government Securities Division of the Fixed Income Clearing Corporation, a division of the Depository Trust Clearing Corporation.”

“What have we notified them?
"You’re no longer insured to act in a de facto corporate capacity. The office is now reabsorbed into the original de jure capacity on the land following the law of the land respecting the Constitution.”

“How terrible. You can no longer just make it up as you go.

"You can no longer issue executive orders imposing your will on the People.

"It is back to REAL LAW not ADMIRALTY [law] FICTION.

"The People are no longer protected against your misdeeds by your bond. All of your actions are now underwritten either by the People’s bond and we included a bond, a contract, whereby we stand behind the Governors, the People stand, the sovereign People stand behind the Governors to protect them against accidental misdeeds or they can rely upon all of their own property and future labor.”

“So when I said to the agent (an F.B.I. agent interviewed Sam Kennedy earlier on Sunday, 04-04-10) and the state investigator, that he (the Governor) was ALREADY REMOVED from that office I wasn’t just kidding.”

"How long can he (the Governor) function without the People being protected by a public hazard bond?
"Three days.

"Beyond that, he (the Governor) is on his own. And that’s why he (the Governor) has to take the new oath of office which is similar to the old oath of office with one difference. He (the Governor) expressly recognizes that he is in direct contract with the People, not just some pre-supposition that 'oh there’s this amorphous Constitution that he can obey if and when he desires.'

"From now on, his actions are bonded by the People. And as you’ll see, we’ve accepted the contract later on in this first paragraph. So, let me reserve my comments further.

“The letter goes on to say...
"....as of this day the office of Governor--with a capital ‘G’-- in each of the 50 incorporated States--with a capital ‘S’-- is re-absorbed into the de jure office of governor of the respective REPUBLIC.

"In other words, 'welcome back to the land and the law of the land.'

"It goes on to say....
...the Armed Forces of the united States, duly presented with lawful de jure authority --in other words the People assembling on the land in all 50 jurisdictions-- are overseeing the implementation of certain general orders pursuant to the attached
Declaration of Restoration.”

“Now, the only reason I’m even revealing any of this (the content of the letter to the Governors), is because people have taken that Declaration and published it all over the web and they shouldn’t have because these are private matters between us (the people) and these men and women (the Governors) giving them quietly an opportunity to do the right thing, to take the burden off their shoulders and return to being the Peoples’ public servants and not just political hacks who make it up as they go along.

"Every time they want to do something-pass another bill--that’s why they call them ‘bills’--they are bills that you have to pay, literally...

“The letter goes on to say...
'...as you may have heard, the free American REPUBLICS and the de jure united States of America REPUBLIC have been reinhabited by the sovereign People.

"Now you know what sovereign People means.
"As an operation of law, proper sovereign authority has been restored. Just like the church members could just restore their sovereignty by simply saying we’re meeting as the church body politic.

[Listen in hour 1 of this broadcast to the example Sam Kennedy provided that had to do with a church’s leadership, reaffirming its own inherent authority over its own affairs, which is a right the church has even though at an earlier time its officers registered it with the state as a religious institution].

"That’s all we did.

"The People of the united States in every single jurisdiction met and said...
'we are, we’re not telling you what to do, we’re just telling you we have assembled to re-inhabit those de jure REPUBLICS. Do any of you wish to get in our way and tell us we can’t? How can we not have the right to re-inhabit the REPUBLICS that are still there and have been vacated by you? '

“And we go on to say in the letter...
'...you are now operating under the bond of the sovereign People and rightful freeholders on the land. In other words, some of us have land patents. We actually own the land, not deeds to the CORPORATE county. You are now operating under the bond which is attached of the sovereign People and rightful freeholders on the land pursuant to Constitutional limitations.”

“How lucky by the way and how blessed are the People of the united States that now they understand by virtue of this program that their public officials at the head of each REPUBLIC are now restricted to their own state constitutions, their own REPUBLIC constitutions.

“We went on to say...
"----which by the way means foreclosure is going to end over the next month or two because the state can no longer execute under Admiralty law that [which] is reserved for the united States REPUBLIC and now courts actually have to respect rules of procedure.

"So, if a bank wants to prosecute your mortgage and can’t produce the note, your foreclosure is ended. That doesn’t sound like such bad news to me.

“As you can see folks, this is not about anybody imposing their will on anyone else. We do not wish to tend anyone else’s garden. You can continue life as you know it and go through your foreclosure and pay the taxes the way you’re accustomed, although those things are going to change very shortly as the whole BONDING system comes to an end.

But, we’re not going to tell you, we don’t want to tell you how to live your life at all. The opposite is true.

If you have...if you’re one of the hundreds of thousands of Americans facing foreclosure to banks that actually loaned you your own money....
... because under the present system of money, a promissory note just like a Federal Reserve note is actually considered an asset...
....and they enter your promissory note that you sign at the closing on the books as an asset...
....then write a check against it...
then they circulate that asset...
....they place it on deposit at DTCC (Depository Trust Clearing Corporation) again...
....and they trade against it...
.... and issue nine more loans against it...
you’d have to know more about the banking system to understand, but trust me, they are trading on your promissory note and lending you your own money.

"Believe it! Your signature on the promissory note creates the negotiable instrument that in the present system of credit is considered money.

“Banks trade promissory notes as assets. Whole companies buy and sell them. They bundle them up together with real estate trusts and sell them in markets specifically as assets. And you wonder why the system is falling apart? Why it’s collapsing?

"The system of credit is predicated on money laundering.

"You take a Federal Reserve Note, a promissory note into Mom and Pop’s deli, you buy a corned beef sandwich....
....they worked hard to give you that work product...
....and you give them a piece of paper. That’s a promise to pay. It’s only because you believe in it that it has any value.

"But we are the biggest money launderers on the planet. Their hard work gets exchanged for pieces of currency that are on the verge of falling apart.

“Anyway, those of you---hundreds of thousands of you---who are facing foreclosure, you now have your remedy in tow. Because ---with Admiralty removed from State courts---they have no ability to prosecute you on innuendo. When you say the bank needs to produce the original note, which they never do, I know it sounds crazy to those of you who haven’t been through foreclosure---the bank doesn’t produce the note because it’s been off-traded in Europe, ten times over.

"They can’t find the note, literally. Check the court records. See how many cases they were able to produce notes on. None! One in a thousand - maybe. And so, your foreclosure nightmare has ended.

“And the tens of thousands of you facing prison for not being able to pay IRS its demands to share in your work product, from your sweat and labor, your remedy is here now.

“The letter goes on to say...
'....each of the signatories of the said----oh this is so important, this is still on page one, ---
.....each of the signatories of the said Declaration have expressly by that action, in other words by signing the Declaration, accepted the Constitution of their respective de jure REPUBLIC and the Constitution for the united States of America circa 1787 as binding contracts upon you, thus memorializing their lawful standing and your duty to serve.

“Now, finally, since 1860 this is the first time we have been back in a binding contract with our public officials and they must now obey the Constitution or face the penalties. They’ll be personally liable---and, believe me---among the 1300 People who signed this, there are many skilled People in contract law. I wouldn’t want to go up against them in any court anywhere, whether it’s the court of the de jure Grand Juries or the courts of the united States of America and these restored REPUBLICS.

“As one by one, you’re going to see the law venue change,
....the flags (in courts) change, as the names of the States change from State of New York, a CORPORATE entity, back to the original New York which was a signatory to the Constitution.

“By the way, those of you who say Constitution of the united States....
....you’re not reading from the original Constitution.

"Check out the original document. It says Constitution for the united States.

And the present Constitutions that many of you refer to even in textbooks that say "Constitution ‘of’...." that is the CORPORATE substitute from 1865 with the United States victory at the Appomattox Court House. Everything changed and you don’t even know it.

"One word, when President Clinton said it all depends on how you define the word ‘is’, he wasn’t kidding. Just change the word ‘is’ to the word ‘for’ and ‘of’. The original Constitution--which you can check out on the internet--just type in
‘Constitution photo’ and you’ll see photos of the original is the Constitution for the united States and the ones in your textbooks that say Constitution ‘of’ are not the original article. That’s why our Declaration says circa 1787. There’s been a swindle right under your nose and you don’t know it.”

"And finally, the final section--the final sentence of paragraph one, this is all one paragraph on page one---says....
'.... with the burdens of acting as a CORPORATE agent under color of law are lifted from your shoulders, this letter is intended to welcome you back to the brotherhood of mankind in the spirit of forgiveness. You and your children are free, the era of illicit corporations and banking cartels posing as legitimate governments is over.'"

And that’s a mouthful, if you knew what I knew and what the other 1300 signatories knew about governance in the united States of America in the 21st century.”

“So that’s the opening paragraph and that’s probably enough to whet your appetite for what’s coming or certainly enough to get you to hate us as covert reactionaries, evil men who just desire to be tyrants and threaten people, uh, vigilante militias.

Well actually as you can see, actually ‘militia’ is a tarnished word, but the Constitution has provisions for militias.

The Constitution does not have a provision for an army, do you know that?

It says that there can only be a standing army during time of war. Maybe that very special emergency has persisted all these years.

"The Constitution, your Constitution for the united States of America provides for a standing navy in Article 1 and for a temporary army.

"The rest falls on the backs of militias, and that’s the truth.

“Read your Constitution, not just what somebody teaches you in a civics class that he or she was taught by a history professor who’s completely ignorant of the history of this country, the most important event being the takeover of this government in 1913 through the Federal Reserve Act.”

“Paragraph one, page two goes on to say...
....the People capital ‘P’, are committed to a peaceful, honorable, and non-violent transition which unfolds quietly behind the scenes as a mirror image reversal of the 1933 world coup [d'état]. So I guess our commitment to peace and nonviolence is stated right there. Why would anyone doubt it?”

“It goes on to say...
'....it is the Peoples’ intention on behalf of your safety that the general public be no more attuned to:
--the return of their money,
---law, and
----freeholdings
than it was to their theft in 1933 under Executive Orders 6102 and HJR192.

For this reason, all of the events described hereunder are classified Top Secret. Obviously some of the Governors have violated that to a degree.”

“I just mentioned Executive Order 6102, for those of you who are not familiar with that, and HJR 192, here’s what really happened in 1933.

(next posting, please.)

[Libertytree]

Due to user request, and the importance of the topics discussed in this thread, I've sticky'ed it in General Discussion for a while.

Libertytree, let me know if you want to keep this here, or move it to the news sub-forum.

Gaillo


Absolutely no problem.

[beefsteak]

Part Deux --- picking up with a verbal review of the 1933 Federal Reserve setup...


"In a period of three months, in every industrialized country, the same laws were passed.

"In Canada they were articles of Parliament, or acts of Parliament rather in Australia.

"In Germany they burned down the Reichstag, all within the same three months, all funded by the same banking cartel.

"Executive Order 6102 signed by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, it may have been April 5th, perhaps, of 1933, said the following,
‘All United States persons'---you see the evil of that word---'are
ordered to turn in all of their privately held gold other than $100
in jewelry, to a branch of the Federal Reserve bank.’

"How do you think the founders would have reacted to that in 1775? You think that would have put them over the edge a bit early?

"And yet we accept it as perfectly normal.

“Our great grandparents had been so beset by the Great Depression, a planned world event, that they actually turned in their gold and then HR 192 said the following,
‘All obligations payable in gold are hereafter null and void. From
now on, debts can no longer be paid, they can only be discharged....',
(which is another legal piece of terminology to pull the wool over your eyes) They (debts) can only be discharged....
'....in United States currency.'

“Let me tell you what that means.
It means that if I owed you $50,000 in gold I borrowed from you, a third party, the United States, came in and said you no longer have to pay him back. Well I’ve got news for you, the Constitution says Congress shall make no law impairing the obligations of contracts. That obligation of contracts is ancient – goes back to mercantile law with men on camels traversing the earth – their word had to be their BOND to survive. And it was the obligation of contracts that allowed men to even draw up the Constitution which is just a contract.”

“So, how was Roosevelt able to wave a magic wand and take your gold away and tell you through HR 192 and The Banking Act....'
---- which by the way no one read, no one ever read that----much like today’s passage of the Healthcare Bill....,
.....at least you got three days to read that.......

"Back then, The Banking Act was passed with one copy in the possession of one House officer and quietly they passed it, in the dead of night. And, what it said was that I no longer have to repay you that gold because you can no longer pay anything. We are removing the system of gold and replacing it with a system of credit.

“Your money was stolen from you under your nose and the only way he [FDR] could do it---and not be lynched---was by making it apply only to U.S. persons, fictitious trust accounts, United States persons/resident/citizen, all of are subject to the jurisdiction of the UNITED STATES FEDERAL CORPORATION and they took your money. They took your gold away from you at Federal Reserve Banks.

"They shipped it through Canada, overseas. We’ve seen the invoices on those shipments. And they socked it away in the basement of the Federal Reserve by moving it from one room to another room. From your pockets to the bankers.’

“They [the bankers] paid you $22 an ounce and two weeks later I think it was, they raised it to $35 an ounce. Who do you think made the bounty on that?

"You think all of that wasn’t planned in advance? So, let’s not be so naïve to imagine that this system of credit is anything but evil at its inception. And, the only way they could do that is by using legal terminology. That’s the importance of words in this society.

Applying it (the new policy) to U.S. persons, sending the Executive Order out to members of the army and the F.B.I., unfortunately, who thought that that meant it applied to everyone. Well it applied to no living men and women. It applied only to legal fiction trust accounts. Back then, I don’t know where they were on deposit, but nowadays there on deposit at the Depository Trust Company as of 1963 as I recall.

“One other thing....
....for those who think they live 'in the land of the free and the home of the brave' and hate me for stating these things, these are crimes against your children.

Executive Order 19 what was it 41 or 42, passed by Roosevelt, I forget the number of the Executive Order ---9901 or something like that or 05 or 06, something like that [1942, E.O. 9066] interning on the stroke of a pen, the entire population of Japanese Americans, [Executive Order 9066: The President Interns the Japanese Population] a 100.... and, there’s speculation whether it’s 110 to 125 thousand people.....

"An entire race of Americans put into prison camps
without a warrant,
without due process of law,
without an appeal,
without counsel,
without any protection.....

Tell me it can’t happen here.

“All of my Black American friends and my Asian American friends, Indian American friends and Jewish Americans, you all know it can happen and it’s the rest of us Caucasian Americans who have to wake up and smell the roses.

"Well, we have. And this time the united States got the message.

“You, wild horses couldn’t keep me from that F.B.I. meeting and won’t keep me away from the others. I don’t sound like this during a meeting like that because I am genuinely blessed and grateful to have the opportunity to sit down with the people who have the guns and the power now that we have the authority.

"We are members of the sovereign People. We – are – back! And the only thing we demand, is that our orders be followed when it concerns our rights. Because without our consent, all you have is slavery, you don’t have freedom.

"Don’t tell me we have to do it --at the point of a gun---have to produce a piece of paper that indicates I am a subject class citizen in the land of my forefathers.

"I will not do it. I will not comply and now I don’t have to comply and all of that is going to change for sovereign citizens, excuse me, oh I apologize, for members of the sovereign People, behind the scenes because the People have stood.

"I am so proud of the People. Thirteen hundred of you, many of you trepidacious. Many of you don’t have the fire in your belly for what I’ve been doing publically for the last few years. I don’t expect you to.

“But, truth be told now there are thousands of you who have written to the official....have gone to the official website, or written to the official email address of TheRestoreAmericaPlan@gmail.com and said, 'I wish to join, I wish to be a part of this.'

"Thank the Lord that finally the People have woken up, thousands upon thousands of you.”

“I’ll have to hire an army to go through those email addresses and database you all and make it all clean, but at least you can listen to the program [Sundays 8 p.m. EDT “Take No Prisoners” on the Republic Broadcasting Network (RBN) @ republicbroadcasting.org

"Fortunately, we’re heard around the world and understand the importance of the process that is ongoing.

“Let me say this to each and every one of the men and women who have been occupying the office of governor with a small ‘g’. Now, you are all now in de jure capacity. We welcome you to operate under the law of the land. We welcome you to be out from under the yoke of Admiralty and Equity. Admiralty was never intended to come on the land into state courts. And anyone who knows law understands that. Unfortunately, most lawyers are not trained a hoot in Admiralty.

"This F.B.I. agent is an attorney which made it especially "gravy on the plate" to talk with him. But, like every attorney I’ve ever spoken to, not one has had any training in Admiralty law except Admiralty attorneys and they truly know what’s going on in civil and criminal courts of the United States.

“Just time for a couple of comments. Just so you know, none of us are seeking any interviews. We’re not seeking publicity. We’re not seeking glory. The glory truly goes to the Lord. This is an amazing time in history. Boy, to think that people could and would find the courage, the strength, and the information to come together like this.

“So, I say this to you...
...If you truly value the future for your children,
....if you’re a reporter or a journalist or a producer, and
.....you truly value the future for your children and you know that something’s not right....
THEN instead of going out and doing a story, why don’t you just do some
research on the links NO LINKS WERE PROVIDED IN THIS COPY PASTE--beefsteak] I’ve given you tonight.

"Learn the truth. We don’t need any stories to save the country. We don’t need to awaken the sleeping American public. Things will change quietly in the background like they did in 1933.

"You know in 1933, they held secret meetings with Federal judges and they said,
'....the law’s being replaced by Equity and Admiralty. There will
no longer be any lawful money. So, you can’t have people pay
in court because they can only pay in gold and silver because
that’s what the Constitution says. Congress shall coin nothing
but gold and silver. And, so, you’ll have to have them discharge
their debts and that will be with promissory notes. So, your
courts are also going to be issuing bonds in every case and
on every incarceration.'

"And, those bonds by the way are also at DTCC and they’re being bundled together in real estate trusts and being sold on the backs of our prisoners. Now you know why there are two million Americans in prison. It’s a booming business. If you don’t believe me, talk to the President of the Corrections Corporation of America.

“We don’t need to be awakening the public to these things. In 1933, when they held that meeting with the judges, not one judge protested. By the way, they also told them you’re going to have to get people’s consent by tricking them into confessing to be legal fictional accounts substituted in their name under the social security system.

"Not one judge said, that’s fine and I’m issuing a warrant for your arrest. They all complied. That was the bankruptcy of the United States, by the way, in 1933, to the bankers.

“Take all the gold and all the property by way of deeds and registrations of cars and the like. Now you know why the state gets your title and issues you a title.

"Shouldn’t the owner issue the title? The State does. You accept it.

"You accept a marriage license. If I said to you, 'how do you feel about people in China needing state permission to be married' you’d say, 'that’s awful!' Those lousy Commie bastards! Well, don’t you go to a County Clerk here and get permission?? Don’t they tell you what tests you need to get married?

"I’ve got news for you. I have a Biblical marriage. Two people taking a covenant in front of witnesses under the Lord. It’s a covenant with the Lord. It’s not a covenant with the State that gives them the right to send social services in to seize your children. You’ve been deceived and misled. But, you can find your way back, quietly behind the scenes.

"Every judge will be visited at the Federal level. We’ll now be given the opportunity to come back to the law. Every attorney will be given the opportunity to go from a letterhead that says Attorney at Law back to one that says Attorney in law. The Attorneys don’t even know why, that’s just what they were told what to do in law school.

“All of that’s going to change. I encourage you, forego the stories. But if you do the story, do your research and bring the truth forward because if you don’t , you’re going to force my hand to seek out the Glenn Becks and the John Stossels and others who just might give me a forum.

"Then the American people would be awakened. I don’t want that because they’re going to be angry. This plan states several times that we do not wish to awaken the hostility of the American People.

Everyone can have it any way they want. If you wish to be a member of the sovereign People, all you’ll have to do is act like it and you’ll no longer be a slave to the United States. And, the tax situation will be remedied.

By the way, the Fed is being rolled back into six centralized divisions for clearing checks, that’s it.

So, with that said, I think we’re out of time folks.”

[beefsteak]

Whew....that formatting was a chore...trying to decipher what was being read, and what was being parenthetically added as "commentary."

Thanks for your patience.

Now, I'm going to the bottom of this thread and share some of what I heard on the 4/11/2010 G.E. Sam Kennedy 2 hr broadcast.

beefsteak

[Horn]

Due to user request, and the importance of the topics discussed in this thread, I've sticky'ed it in General Discussion for a while.


The way I understood it, next Friday, the 15th.

At such time it will become unglued?

[Gaillo]

Due to user request, and the importance of the topics discussed in this thread, I've sticky'ed it in General Discussion for a while.


The way I understood it, next Friday, the 15th.

At such time it will become unglued?



We'll see... that mostly depends on member interest, and breaking developments.

[Cebu_4_2]

[Gaillo]
We'll see... that mostly depends on member interest, and breaking developments.
[/quote]

Listening to the broadcast, this guy explains a lot of basics of which a couple members here should learn.

(Not you Gaillo)

[Carl]

It's a common mistake to make. Many are misled to assume that "everybody" born in America must be a citizen, therefore must be sovereign. That is not correct.
Citizenship is a step DOWN in status.
Public service is a step DOWN in status.
The Queen of England (sovereign) is not a citizen.
No sovereign is a citizen.
Please produce one shred of evidence in support that a citizen is not a subject.
A citizen is obligated to perform civic duties (jury duty, militia duty) or face punishment.
A citizen is obligated to pay taxes, or face punishment.
A sovereign American, domiciled in the USA, is not obligated to perform.
In Article IV of Confederation, it expressly states that free inhabitants have all the privileges and immunities of the free citizens.
I've looked in many state constitutions (not all) and statutes (not all) , and have yet to find ONE that impairs the natural and personal liberty of the free inhabitants.
But if you're a CITIZEN, you're THEIRS - to command.
Remember, militia duty was obligatory from DAY ONE.
The Declaration of Independence spells out the two jobs:
1. Secure rights (life, liberty, etc)
2. Govern those who consent.
Once consent is given, job #1 is waived.
If that's "wrong interpretation", please produce FACTS in rebuttal.
But from all the citations that state the PEOPLE are sovereign, I have not found ONE that says the CITIZEN is sovereign.
If you assume people means citizens, then you have deceived yourself.
Check the USCON, carefully, and you shall find that when it is about powers and rights, it uses the term "people". But when it refers to privileges and immunities, it uses the term "citizens".
In addition, I suspect that many self proclaimed "sovereign citizens" have retained their enrollment in national socialism and usury (interest bearing bank accounts). Those compacts have seriously impaired their status at law, since they are only available to those who lack sovereign status.


Like your wrongful insistence that the government must pay the debt with gold, the "mistake" here is, once again, yours. And I'm beginning to suspect that your sole function here is to sow disinformation, because it's hard to believe someone can be so consistently contextually, historically and philosophically wrong and still manage to function on a daily basis.

The 14th Amendment made everyone a citizen. Before that time, a person (usually a black man or the Irish) could be a free person but not a citizen. A free citizen was, and still is, a sovereign who enjoins in the rights and protections of their constituted government and retains as their sovereign right the ability to participate in its civic processes, something a non-citizen could not do regardless of their free status.

With citizenship comes the responsibilities associated with life within a social/civil structure to include paying taxes, serving on a jury or even in the militia if called upon to do so. Why you would believe that a sovereign would be immune from taking responsibility for the maintenance of their civil society and their own liberty is beyond me. Maybe you're just too busy studying the wrong government. As if the queen's status is relevant to a sovereign citizen within the U.S.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

"Deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" as opposed to "Govern those who consent". Maybe English is a second language for you and you've yet to master context so let me explain it to you: We the sovereign citizens give our consent to the constituted government to govern and we as sovereign citizens reserve as our lawful and just right to withdraw that consent if the need arises.

Context Is Everything.

[beefsteak]

Listening to the broadcast, this guy explains a lot of basics of which a couple members here should learn.

(Not you Gaillo)

Cebu_4_2,

I'm not even going to begin to try to share all we heard tonight. If someone brings forth another transcript...well, I'll cross that formatting for ease in reading bridge when I get to it. :P

Here're the high points that I recall withOUT looking at my 6pgs of messy notes.

The first 20 minutes were spent on "housekeeping matters...
----which URLs are NOT the official websites for the GOTFR, but are set up by whomever for whatever reasons.

----was the Lead Story on FOX about the GOTFR as orchestrated by the F.B.I. GE Kennedy expressed the GE's gratitude for the low-key strategy the FBI employed which communicated the name of the GOTFR group in a major public forum without upsetting the social order. GE's are quite pleased with the F.B.I.

----GE Kennedy categorically stated as the result of the F.B.I. strategy of giving FOX NEWS the quote, the GOTFR had doors open to them when they started placing the calls to the Federal and State corporate higher ups that need to be dealt with. All greeted the GE's with respect and took their calls. GE Kennedy said that pleased positive response the GEs as well.

----The next segment was about reading and commenting upon--with broad strokes -- Restore America Plan--Phase II document in rough draft form already.

----The cover letter composed and signed by GE Sam Kennedy, MD and GE Regan Reedy was 2 pages which accompanied the 79 pages of the Declaration Notice served by the Provost Marshall General's office. On page 2, the Governors were told they were under a "gag order" by order of the GEs for their own protection. Those Governor documents were assigned a "Top Secret" classification, which gag order is still in place as of this broadcast.

1)
PHASE TWO is about to be implemented by the G.E

2)
Next Sunday's broadcast will be about the updating of the some 5,000 guardian members at last count. The updates will deal with the GE's interactions with the de jure republics' attorneys-general in the 53 republics.

3)
Phase II is revelation and implementation of MANIFESTO of Rights In Law and Bill of Containment

Among other things, the intent of this Phase II document is to provide specifics where at the moment there is only indication of a broad outline.

There are deficiences in the organic Constitution for the United States that will be addressed in this Phase II document.

4)
GEs are engaged with the DTCC, Treasury, IRS, the Bernake.

As Phase II roll out occurs, more details of the interactions with the 4 groups mentioned above will be shared.

5)
Some of the manifesto points I recall are:
A)
the judiciary will be confined to Article 3. (I have no clue what that means)

B)
the judicial power in territories, districts and possessions shall be wholly compliant.

the de facto Supreme Court decision of Downs v Bidwell Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901) will be vacated and voided per specific reference in this Manifesto of Rights in Law and Bill of Containment

C)
criminal at law, commercial at law, as well as Admiralty Law and Equity law will abated and voided as accepted venues for interacting with the soverign PEOPLE.

D)
no imposed fiction nor phantom charges will be allowed. All that will be removed through abatement languaging in this Phase II document.

the sovereign people will not be subjected to corporation .... didn't get the rest of this statement.

E)
every action involving the sovereign People will be strictly according to due process in a republic by republic basis.

F)
trespass by a corporation will not be permitted and will be the object of abatement

G)
no arrest nor seizure of property of freeholders nor and taking of interest therein will be permitted in de jure law of the sovereign people. Those attempting to do so will be bearing the full liability of their actions since they are not bondable.

H)
the judicial power of Article 2 (not Article 3) are only for the employees of the United States after full disclosure.

I)
judicial warrants shall not be issued frivolously by the de jure grand juries.

unequivocal right to property and the divine right to defend any threat to life, or threat to privacy.

Any attempt to threaten property or privacy will be considered as assault.

The divine right of necessary force and right of self-preservation w/out fear of prosecution or liability is addressed and supported. Especially if the corporation or any of its representatives are attempting to perform "arrest of the vessel" under Admiralty law.


Another segment ensued here at 20 past the hour during the 2nd hour

J)
the whole premise of "information" and "belief" officially ends with this document. The bogus affidavit "business as usual" is over.

K) at 35 minutes past the hour...
no man or woman of the sovereign People shall experience any abatement in matters brought before the de jure grand juries in matters of Treason, Sabotage, Insurrection, Destruction of Property, or Interference with Mail.

there will be no "civil rights" complaints or actions accepted as covered by the publication and distribution of this Manifesto and Bill.

L)
Admiralty and Maritime law enforcement is over, unless one is a member of the Military, or a non-military criminal on the high seas.

M)
no property shall be seized without due process as the result of sovereign People who fail to exhibit STATE OF... papers wherein any reference is made to their being subject class citizens.

all necessary force to hold onto ones property is permitted.

no property seizure will be permitted when I identify myself as a member of the sovereign People.

N)
all actions for "failure to pay taxes" or "failure to file taxes" are forbidden and will be abated. The category of high crime here is "enticement to slavery."

O)
no man or woman shall be removed from the land without full disclosure in the loan, or credit documents. That lack of full disclosure as to the source of funding is considered usurious.

P)
no sovereign People shall be required or enticed or forced to cross the bar. That is a charge of the high crime, "Enticement to Slavery."

Q)
compelling self-witness even by trickery will subject the complainer to high crimes of Enticement to Slavery and Piracy.

R)
attorney shall be defined as an agent. No attorney at law is going to be forced on any sovereign People. Gave Bouvier's Law Dictionary of agent.

an attorney AT law cannot practice in de jure lawful actions.

S)
no one shall be prevented from using the de jure law. That will result in charge of high crime of "enticement to slavery."

T)
any judge impersonating a de jure offical shall be immediately removed from the bench and escorted from the courtroom. Charges will be brought through the du jure grand jury process.

U)
if an attorney AT law wants to forsake and swear (to a whole list of don'ts) in the de jure goverance system, they are welcome to become attorney IN law.

said agent (or attorney IN law) said attorney must swear to a list of full-disclosure requirements to their client, including any conflicts.

V)
subservience to the de jure grand juries is required, and their decisions are final.

W)
assessment of graduated tax on income is a TORT. The charges are the high crimes of Treason and Piracy.

X)
any TORT shall comprise self-confession in de jure law. It will be dealt with instantly.

---------------------------------
That's the extent of my recollections ---and notations which i did end up referring to. ;D

There was a lot of lawful language and terms used by GE Kennedy that were extremely unfamiliar to my ears. This re-capitulation is accurately shared to the best of my ability with the limitations of my lack of familiarity of terminology already confessed.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

Beefsteak,

Thank you so very much for the synopsis. When I got home from work last night I found my computer unable to connect to the net and I couldn't get the laptop going till well after the show was over. All my GOTFR resource links are on the other machine as well and am now busy trying to get it back online.

[beefsteak]

LT,
you're welcome. I was mentally drained after editing last week's Hour 2 show I found, and then listening for 2 hours, and then transcribing again.

This is so intriguing and inspiring, I feel I owe it not only to myself, but to my Grandkids and the Great GK's as the Head of My Family to spend this time.

It is good to hear it is assisting another G-S-L forum member such as yourself.
All the best with getting your eqpt back in line.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

I had every intention of doing exactly what you were doing, transcribing as best as possible and then sharing it here. I thought that between the two of us not much would fall between the cracks. So much for good intentions.

I'm trying to find a rebroadcast and will post asap when found.

[beefsteak]

LT,

that would be a good thing, and I'm sure more of this forum would like to hear for themselves, especially the "attorney at law" crowd.

Speaking of the Attorney AT Law group, GE Sam Kennedy stated unequivocally that several of the newly composed de jure grand jury members which signed on the line in their respective republics, were attorneys AT law with contract law as their chosen specialty.

That disclosure by GE Kennedy made me feel better about the Phase I Declaration document. (I don't know about others reading/listening, but I'm not really comfortable with a 4th Generation Florida fisherman being the sole documments' composer/wordsmith as this continues to be revealed. There is too much at stake. That goes for legitimately medical trained GE Sam Kennedy, MD., as well as the other 2 GE's. I have no clue at the moment as to their current occupations.)

I'm reviewing my notes and will be back later with things I forgot last night. You know how it goes. You retire for the evening and your mind is whirring and bringing up the litany of "what I should have typed" internal dialog. :-\

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

LT,

another point GE Kennedy made last night was this: One of the FBI main interrogators is an Attorney AT law. He--GE Kennedy--was very pleased by their lengthy interaction, and the spoken assessment verbally provided by the FBI parties involved during and at the close of their 2+ hours spent together.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Guardian Elder, Sam Kennedy, M.D., spoke clearly when he stated in last night's RBN broadcast, that the R.A.P. Phase II roll-out had some very large, non-violent
surprises for:


Douglas Shulman (I recognized this name as the "current head" of the IRS)
Tim Geithner
DTCC
Bernake
de facto Supreme Court Justice Lowell Roberts,
Larry Thompson (identified as lead counsel for DTCC)
and didn't catch the name..........but was identified as the current Pres. of the Bar Association. (edit: current ABA President, Carolyn B. Lamm)

Then GE Kennedy stated the Phase II Manifesto of Rights in Law and Bill of Containment would declare...
all Tax actions--Administrative or Judical--must cease within 72 hours.

The sovereign People were also advised to change their vocabulary and learn to start typing "legal" in quotes from this point foward.

GE Kennedy went on to state, this year, 2010 would be known as the year the corporation was eliminated This would not happen "tomorrow" nor would the GE's permit said elimination to be put off beyond the closure of 2010.

Part of the purpose of the roll out of Phase II is the declaration of the exact geographic boundaries of the restored Republic. This is to provide the languaging that the Military needs, i.e., removing the cloud of ambiguity.

General Order 8 of the Phase II Manifesto and Bill provide the de jure directed authority to the Military for the arrests of certain admiralty courts.

General Order 8 will also serve as notice to the world that the sovereign People have restored the de jure law, the common law, of the land in our Republic.

[beefsteak]

Context Is Everything.

Carl,
just wanted to say you're exactly right wrt CONTEXT!

Excellent point.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

I think it will be posted here, last nights show isn't available yet but should be sometime soon.

http://www.libertyandfreedomradio.net/archive.html

[Libertytree]

Trying to get in now beef.

[Libertytree]

Do ya have a direct link?

[Twisted Titan]

[quote=Libertytree ]
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/introduction.html

Upon checking out your proferred URL, I found this under one of the tabs. Eye-opening to say the least. I'm still digesting and pondering.


Confessions From The Horse's Mouth
(can be reviewed in less than 30 minutes).
Please Goggle or use the included links:

- “28 USC 3002” (definition of the United States as a Federal corporation never taught in civics class; go to paragraph 15)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00003002----000-.html



- “27 CFR 72.11” (U.S. Inc. defines all crime as commercial as a result of the fall of the republic when the South walked out of congress in 1861 and the de jure congress, unable to raise a quorum, was replaced by Lincoln with the de facto corporate Congress; and the de jure district court of the United States was replaced by the de facto corporate UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT)

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_98/27cfr72_98.html



- “Executive Order 6102” (government’s confiscation of your family’s gold and wealth under threat of 10 years in prison for failure to comply.)

As the Order specifies U.S. “persons” (eg. JOHN SMITH and JANE DOE), law enforcement was duped into enforcing against the general public a command that only applied to Federal employees and members of the armed forces.)
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=14611
or
http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-gold-confiscation.html




- “HJR 192” (outlawing of the simple act of “paying with money” as a felony by substituting the lawyer’s parlor trick of “discharging” debts)
http://www.truthsetsusfree.com/HJR192.htm
or
http://www.nomoredebt.cc/hjr192.html



- “Congressman Louis McFadden speech” (indictment of the Secretary of the Treasury and the Federal Reserve Board of Governor’s for treason by the chairman of the House Banking and Currency committee in 1934.)

In scathing speeches to Congress, McFadden said: “(The Fed) has impoverished and ruined the people of these United States, has bankrupted itself, and has practically bankrupted our Government.”

This most knowledgeable man on banking also explained in vivid detail the method for recruiting the Federal Reserve to pay our debts as holder of the gold, and which is at the heart of today’s “tax remedies.”

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/mcfadden-frb.html
or
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3616/flaherty10.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_T._McFadden


- “Lewis v. United States 680” (Federal Reserve Bank is privately owned:)
“…we conclude that the Reserve Banks are not federal instrumentalities for purposes of the FTCA (Federal Tort Claims Act), but are independent, privately owned and locally controlled corporations.”
Lewis v United States, 680 F.2d 1239 (9th Cir. 1982).

In other words, the Fed enjoys no United States immunity from law suit because it is a Federal institution in name only.
http://nesara.org/court_summaries/lewis_v_united_states.htm
and
http://www.geocities.com/chrisforliberty/lewis.html



- “Modern Money Mechanics” (The Fed’s concise operational manual showing how money AND INTENTIONAL INFLATION are created from thin air by the Fed and its member banks.)

The manual is very clear as to the power of created inflation to speed the process of confiscating your wealth.

The section: “Who Creates Money?” and the final paragraph in “Bank Deposits – How They Expand or Contract” are worth extra attention.)
http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf
or
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Modern_Money_Mechanics/Introduction



- “Grace Commission” (Confirmed that virtually ALL taxes actually go to the Federal Reserve Bank to pay interest on the U.S. debt to the banking families that own the International Monetary Fund (IMF):

“With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government.”
J. Peter Grace,
Cover letter,
President’s Private Sector Report on Cost Control,
January 12, 1984.

Peter Grace was considered the Warren Buffett of his time, and the Grace Commission Report received widespread media attention as the gospel of Reagan’s so-called tax system overhaul.
http://www.freecanadian.net/articles/grace.html
or
http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm



- “31 CFR 103.11” [/b](Promissory note is defined as a “monetary instrument:)

“(u) Monetary instruments…

Monetary instruments include…
All negotiable instruments
(including personal checks,
business checks,
official bank checks,
cashier's checks,
third-party checks,
promissory notes (as that term is defined in
Uniform Commercial Code), and
money orders)

that are either in
bearer form,
endorsed without restriction,
made out to a fictitious payee
(for the purposes of Sec. 103.23),
or otherwise in such form that title thereto passes upon delivery.”)
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/julqtr/31cfr103.11.htm
or
http://www.ffiec.gov/bsa_aml_infobase/pages_manual/regulations/31CFR103.htm


- “NYUCC 3-104” (Promissory note is defined as a “negotiable instrument:)

“(1) Any writing to be a negotiable instrument within this Article must
(a) be signed by the maker or drawer; and
(b) contain an unconditional promise or order to pay a sum certain in money and no other promise, order, obligation or power given by the maker or drawer except as authorized by this Article; and
(c) be payable on demand or at a definite time; and
(d) be payable to order or to bearer.

(2) A writing which complies with the requirements of this section is
(a) a "draft" ("bill of exchange") if it is an order;
(b) a "check" if it is a draft drawn on a bank and payable on demand;
(c) a "certificate of deposit" if it is an acknowledgment by a bank of receipt of money with an engagement to repay it;
(d) a "note" if it is a promise other than a certificate of deposit.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/3/3-104.html


- “Senate Report 93-549” (The United States has been under dictatorial control since March 9, 1933)

Report of the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency,
Senate Report 93-549,
War and Emergency Powers Acts,
November 19, 1973.

“Foreward:
Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency…These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may:
seize property;
organize and control the means of production;
seize commodities;
assign military forces abroad;
institute martial law;
seize and control all transportation and communication;
regulate the operation of private enterprise;
restrict travel; and,
in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.”
http://www.scratchinpost.net/barefootbob/war_ep1.html



- “Foley Brothers, Inc. v. Filardo, 336 U.S. 281 (1949)” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia.)

“It is a well established principle of law that all federal regulation applies only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States unless a contrary intent appears.”


- “Caha v. US, 152 U.S. 211 (1894)” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia.)

“The laws of Congress in respect to those matters [outside of Constitutionally delegated powers] do not extend into the territorial limits of the states, but have force only in the District of Columbia, and other places that are within the exclusive jurisdiction of the national government.”


- “U.S. v. Spelar, 338 U.S. 217 at 222” (U.S. regulations apply only within the U.S. territories and the District of Columbia)

“There is a canon of legislative construction which teaches Congress that, unless a contrary intent appears [legislation] is meant to apply only within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”


- “Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244 (1901)” (Purportedly decided if the constitution applies to U.S. territories.)

In actuality, unleashed the great fraud of unlimited statutory power misapplied throughout the continental united States of America.

Dissenting opinion of Justice Marshall Harlan. “…two national governments, one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions, the other to be maintained by Congress outside and independently of that instrument, by exercising such powers as other nations of the earth are accustomed to…a radical and mischievous change in our system of government will result…We will, in that event, pass from the era of constitutional liberty guarded and protected by a written constitution into an era of legislative absolutism…It will be an evil day for American liberty if the theory of a government outside the supreme law of the land finds lodgment in our constitutional jurisprudence.”

In other words, a genuine de jure united States of America congress is always bound to enact laws within the jurisdiction of the constitution. He held to the obvious truth that congress does not exist, let alone have powers, outside the constitution.

Harlan said, "This nation is under the control of a written constitution, the supreme law of the land and the only source of the powers which our government, or any branch or officer of it, may exert at any time or at any place."


- Section 802, Patriot Act (Defining the People as terrorists. Defining terrorism as a maritime event. Excluding private meetings on the land from terrorism)

“(5) the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended--
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.”
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Section802.html







Thanks for these links Beef

[DMac]

Do ya have a direct link?


http://tinychat.com/gsus

[Libertytree]

Thanks DMac, all it wants to do is keep loading. I used it last night just fine. Must be my day in the barrel for tech issues?

[Cebu_4_2]

That link works, I'm in...

[Bigjon]

I posted some video's by John Quade that explain some of this stuff in simple to understand terms.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1766.msg15820#msg15820

[DMac]

No arrests or incidents since security heightened at Capitol (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/apr/09/no-arrests-or-incidents-security-heightened-capito/)

By Cy Ryan (contact)

Friday, April 9, 2010 | 6:59 p.m.

CARSON CITY — There haven’t been any arrests or any contraband seized since security was tightened at the state Capitol in the wake of a March 31 letter warning Gov. Jim Gibbons to resign.

In fact, Gibbons hasn’t been in his Carson City office since a group called Guardians for a Free Republic sent notices to Gibbons and governors in other states to quit or it would quietly commandeer state offices.

But all Capitol visitors, including children, and unrecognized state workers now must put their belongings on an X-ray machine and go through a body scanner.

Nevada previously had one of the most open capitols, and visitors could wander through without scrutiny by Capitol police.

It’s isn’t clear when, if ever, the old system will return.

Daniel Burns, communications director for Gibbons, said there have not been any arrests and no more threats.

Gibbons and previous governors took great pride in having the Capitol open to the public, he said. “He is looking forward to when the security will be removed,” Burs said.

He said the state Department of Public Safety is “actively working” with the FBI on the case.

Lynn Hettrick, the governor’s deputy chief of staff, said the extra security may not be removed until the primary election in June.

Jerry Hafen, public safety director, said a vulnerability study conducted several months ago found the Capitol was not adequately protected. He called it “too open.”

The governor is not happy with the extra security, Hafen said, “but we want to make sure it is safe.”

He said he could not say when or if the X-ray machine and body scanner would be removed. But reasonable people expect this type of security, he said.

So far, the X-ray machine and body scanner have turned up a couple of pocket knives but no terrorists. All visitors, including groups of school children, are screened.

After the governor received the demand for his resignation, the public safety department installed boulders on the walkways in front of the Capitol so a vehicle cannot be driven into the building.

Hafen said they will probably be replaced with planters, and he’s seeking federal funds for the project.

The Nevada Legislative Building, south of the Capitol, does not have the same level of security, even when lawmakers are in session. The Nevada Supreme Court uses an X-ray machine and body scanner only when the court is hearing oral arguments.

[mick silver]

Main article: Provost Marshal General
In the United States Army and United States Marine Corps, the senior military police officer is the Provost Marshal General (PMG) (Army) or Provost Marshal (USMC). The PMG was a post that was reinstated in 2003, having being abolished for 29 years. The PMG is in charge the United States Army Military Police Corps, U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID) and United States Army Corrections Command (ACC) policy and procedures from an office in The Pentagon.

The senior MP officer at the theatre level and for each garrison is known as a provost marshal. In European garrisons, the provost marshal is called the Director of Emergency Services, responsible for the provision of fire as well as law enforcement services

[Cebu_4_2]

not sure, any updates in MSM or anything? Precourser to this movie has me anxious.

[Libertytree]

I keep looking at the archive pages so I can transcribe it as well as posting it so yaw'll can listen to it. Patience is a virtue.

[beefsteak]

TT,
no message from you showed up. Did you forget what you were going to say?

Looking forward to your response.

beefsteak

[Cebu_4_2]

its all good, watching and updating sheeple, most as expected are on the defensive. If half go onboard then we have 6 people in our new world lol.

[Libertytree]

Below is a message I got from freedomandlibertyradio, we should have an archive soon.


I'm working on retreiving the archive. Was unable to simulcast Sam's show this past Sunday due to completion of site upgrading. It shouldn't be a day or two though before I'm able to acquire file and get it up on the archive page. Also, on the archive page in the left column under the menu buttons is where I'll be placing (moving) archives for Restore America Plan ~ Sam Kennedy show...still putting some finishing touches on this page...so look for this to occur during this week.

[beefsteak]

LT,
thanks for your persistence! You're a good man.

;D

[beefsteak]

Can it be? :sun:
[quote]
Obama's disregard for media reaches new heights at nuclear summit


By Dana Milbank
Wednesday, April 14, 2010;

World leaders arriving in Washington for President Obama's Nuclear Security Summit must have felt for a moment that they had instead been transported to Soviet-era Moscow.

They entered a capital that had become a military encampment, with camo-wearing military police in Humvees and enough Army vehicles to make it look like a May Day parade on New York Avenue, where a bicyclist was killed Monday by a National Guard truck.

In the middle of it all was Obama -- occupant of an office once informally known as "leader of the free world" -- putting on a clinic for some of the world's greatest dictators in how to circumvent a free press.

The only part of the summit, other than a post-meeting news conference, that was visible to the public was Obama's eight-minute opening statement, which ended with the words: "I'm going to ask that we take a few moments to allow the press to exit before our first session."

Reporters for foreign outlets, many operating in repressive countries, got the impression that the vaunted American freedoms are not all they're cracked up to be.

Yasmeen Alamiri from the Saudi Press Agency got this lesson in press freedom when trying to cover Obama's opening remarks as part of a limited press "pool": "The foreign reporters/cameramen were escorted out in under two minutes, just as the leaders were about to begin, and Obama was going to make remarks. . . . Sorry, it is what it is."

Alamiri's counterparts from around the world had similar experiences. Arabic-language MBC TV's Nadia Bilbassy had this to say of Obama's meeting with the Jordanian king: "We were there for around 30 seconds, not enough even to notice the color of tie of both presidents. I think blue for the king."

Lalit K. Jha of the Press Trust of India, at Obama's meeting with the Pakistani prime minister, reported, "In less than a minute, the pool was asked to leave." The Yomiuri Shimbun correspondent found that she was "ushered out about 30 seconds" after arriving for Obama's meeting with the Malaysian prime minister. Emel Bayrak of Turkey's TRT-Turk went to Obama's meeting with the president of Armenia but "we had to leave the room again after less than 40 seconds."

"When you only see the president for 15 or 20 seconds without him asking if you have any questions, it's very frustrating," said Laura Haim of France's Canal+, which persuaded the White House to include foreign outlets in the press pool. "It's very important for this president, who wants to restore the image of the United States, to have more access."

Obama's official schedule for Tuesday would have pleased China's Central Committee. Excerpts: "The President will attend the Heads of Delegation working lunch. This lunch is closed press . . . The President will meet with Prime Minster Erdogan of Turkey. This meeting is closed press. . . . The President will attend Plenary Session II of the Nuclear Security Summit. This session is closed press."

Reporters, even those on the White House beat for two decades, said it was the most restrictive set of meetings they had ever seen in Washington. They complained to both the administration and White House Correspondents' Association, which will discuss the matter Thursday with White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.

The restrictions have become a common practice for the Obama White House. When Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu came to the White House a couple of weeks ago, reporters were kept away. Soon after that, Obama signed an executive order on abortion, again without any coverage.

Over the weekend, Obama broke with years of protocol and slipped off to a soccer game without the "protective" pool that is always in the vicinity of the president in case the unthinkable occurs. Obama joked about it later to Pakistan's prime minister, saying reporters "were very upset."

In "bilateral" meetings with foreign leaders, presidents usually take questions, or at least trade statements. But at most of Obama's, there were only written "readouts":

Canada: "The president and the prime minister noted the enduring strength of our bilateral partnership." India: "The two leaders vowed to continue to strengthen the robust relationship between the people of their countries." Pakistan: "President Obama began by noting that he is very fond of Pakistan."

Reporters, many in a "filing center" about a quarter-mile away from the leaders' meetings, relied on dispatches from colleagues allowed in as the press pool. The dispatches, over three days, were uniform: "They were too far away to hear conversation. . . . Again, Obama had nothing to say of substance that pooler heard. . . . We were in for all of 30 seconds. No news; no quotes and again no statements. . . . Same deal folks."

Finally, Obama walked over to a group of reporters Monday afternoon. Would he give them an account of his meetings? "I'll let somebody else do it," he said with a smile.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/13/AR2010041303067_pf.html

[Libertytree]

Thank you beef,

It's a group effort though my friend.

[beefsteak]

I posted some video's by John Quade that explain some of this stuff in simple to understand terms.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1766.msg15820#msg15820

Bigjon,

THANKS for posting that set of vid links. I will be wading through them personally. I've listened to part of Winston Schrout's presentations, but kind of got bogged down with the give and take with the audience in vid 3 I think it was.

Certainly is eye-opening info. Makes me want to dig up the YouTube about how money is created that was formerly posted on GIM1. If someone has that and would like to offer it here, I'd be thrilled to review it again. It was probably posted on the old GIM about 14 months or more ago if memory serves.

;D

[beefsteak]

No arrests or incidents since security heightened at Capitol (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/apr/09/no-arrests-or-incidents-security-heightened-capito/)

By Cy Ryan (contact)

Friday, April 9, 2010 | 6:59 p.m.

CARSON CITY — There haven’t been any arrests or any contraband seized since security was tightened at the state Capitol in the wake of a March 31 letter warning Gov. Jim Gibbons to resign.

In fact, Gibbons hasn’t been in his Carson City office since a group called Guardians for a Free Republic(Republics) sent notices to Gibbons and governors in other states to quit or it would quietly commandeer state offices.

But all Capitol visitors, including children, and unrecognized state workers now must put their belongings on an X-ray machine and go through a body scanner.

Nevada previously had one of the most open capitols, and visitors could wander through without scrutiny by Capitol police.

It’s isn’t clear when, if ever, the old system will return.

Daniel Burns, communications director for Gibbons, said there have not been any arrests and no more threats.

Gibbons and previous governors took great pride in having the Capitol open to the public, he said. “He is looking forward to when the security will be removed,” Burs said.

He said the state Department of Public Safety is “actively working” with the FBI on the case.

Lynn Hettrick, the governor’s deputy chief of staff, said the extra security may not be removed until the primary election in June.

Jerry Hafen, public safety director, said a vulnerability study conducted several months ago found the Capitol was not adequately protected. He called it “too open.”

The governor is not happy with the extra security, Hafen said, “but we want to make sure it is safe.”

He said he could not say when or if the X-ray machine and body scanner would be removed. But reasonable people expect this type of security, he said.

So far, the X-ray machine and body scanner have turned up a couple of pocket knives but no terrorists. All visitors, including groups of school children, are screened.

After the governor received the demand for his resignation, the public safety department installed boulders on the walkways in front of the Capitol so a vehicle cannot be driven into the building.

Hafen said they will probably be replaced with planters, and he’s seeking federal funds for the project.

The Nevada Legislative Building, south of the Capitol, does not have the same level of security, even when lawmakers are in session. The Nevada Supreme Court uses an X-ray machine and body scanner only when the court is hearing oral arguments.

Dmac,

confession time here....I've been waiting for others to post their thoughts first on the parallel I drew between what GE Kennedy --or was it Turner-- said when they said one of the Governors did not cooperate and has been removed AND the post you made from the Carson City article you posted.

I confess I've certainly been set to wondering about the relationship between these two statements.

Anyone else?

:dunno

[Cebu_4_2]

This gag order has me climbing the walls.

[DMac]

Dmac,

confession time here....I've been waiting for others to post their thoughts first on the parallel I drew between what GE Kennedy --or was it Turner-- said when they said one of the Governors did not cooperate and has been removed AND the post you made from the Carson City article you posted.

I confess I've certainly been set to wondering about the relationship between these two statements.

Anyone else?

:dunno



beefsteak,

I posted that article hoping to find out more info along the lines of which you've surmised. Has he left office for fear of violence, or fear of non-violent removal? It seems we will have to be patient.

regards

[mick silver]

i dont know if this haves anything to do with what is happen ...GOVERNOR SETS UP “CONST ... http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2010/2010-04-08_Healthcare_Donation.htm

[mick silver]

http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2010/2010-04-06_Healthcare_Lawsuits.htm

[steyr_m]

I feel this will go no-where. We are truly doomed.

[DMac]

Listening to this while doing some research...

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

[Cebu_4_2]

I like this!



Listening to this while doing some research...

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live

[Libertytree]

I like this!



Listening to this while doing some research...

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live





Ceb, is that the show from the 5th?

[Cebu_4_2]

I think this is from the 11th! Talking about free energy, congress is not getting paid, New technologies that are being released soon as we get control of govt, Obama isn't getting paid.... it's good!





I like this!



Listening to this while doing some research...

http://www.freedomyell.com/listen-live





Ceb, is that the show from the 5th?

[Cebu_4_2]

now its the 12th, not sure what this one is about yet, Obama Bowing so far LOL.

[Cebu_4_2]

Tim Turner on now, I think this is 2 weeks ago, not positive.

EDIT: Just noticed I had 3 PM's I never answered, something about refreshing and never seeing the top of the pages!! Sorry!

[beefsteak]

This gag order has me climbing the walls.

Cebu_4_2,
it's never fun to wait. Especially if we have informed 4-6 close to ourselves, who are demanding to see proof. It's hard to prove the existence of a "gag order."

However, the thought has occurred to me the very fact we DON'T have any blabbing gaggle of 53 governors is a form of proof in itself, yes?

The part that is hardest for me is trying to stay alert for the indicated 12:1 currency deval. It's hard to stay alert for such lengths of time. I don't know how the military does it, frankly.

;D

[beefsteak]

I feel this will go no-where. We are truly doomed.

Steyr_m,
stay tuned. Truly believe you are in for a most pleasant surprise. It takes a spell to check it out and put ones full weight down on it.

Take your time. Freedom's here! And we're not letting it go this time, like before.

beefsteak

[Horn]

i dont know if this haves anything to do with what is happen ...GOVERNOR SETS UP “CONST ... http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2010/2010-04-08_Healthcare_Donation.htm


You should make a thread out of that, mick.

[beefsteak]

Dmac,

confession time here....I've been waiting for others to post their thoughts first on the parallel I drew between what GE Kennedy --or was it Turner-- said when they said one of the Governors did not cooperate and has been removed AND the post you made from the Carson City article you posted.

I confess I've certainly been set to wondering about the relationship between these two statements.

Anyone else?

:dunno



beefsteak,

I posted that article hoping to find out more info along the lines of which you've surmised. Has he left office for fear of violence, or fear of non-violent removal? It seems we will have to be patient.

regards

DMac,
there are so many questions. And we individually wish to be higher on the need to know pecking order. I'm brainstorming how to climb the info-ladder, unobtrusively, of course. Will keep the thread posted if I am successful.

;D

[beefsteak]

Mick,
I read your two URLs. Thanks.

The couple things that jumped out at me are:
---the OLD state seal is still showing. Not too many more days before that has to be changed out.
---the official STATE OF NEVADA website URL is still active. That is indicative of de facto corporate state government" and not de jure republic of Nevada.

Maybe there is something to our wonderings about Gibbons as posted earlier. Or maybe he's trying Alan Specter type hold-out/haggling, trying to get concessions for his fiefdom. (Good Luck with that, Gibbons.)

Sure will be interesting to have confirmed who has defied the Declaration and been removed.

:dunno

[beefsteak]

Just wanted to report the finding of a legitimate local contact person of the GOTFR. I will be visiting with this party face to face before midnight. ;D

While I will be in a reflective mood after said interaction. That being the case, it will be a few days before I share any impressions gathered from such F2F.

Just to reiterate, I have not joined anything nor made any phonecalls to any of the principals involved in GOTFR. This discovery has come through another channel entirely.

Personally, it's taken me a long time to move from incredulity to where I am on this day.

beefsteak

[Cebu_4_2]

Anxiously awaiting you unbiased feedback Beef

[beefsteak]

Cebu_4_2,
since I've moved from total incredulity to a trust but verify position, I'm not sure how "unbiased" I will be. I do hope to do more listening than talking.

We'll see how that works out. ;D

beef

[beefsteak]

Meant to paste the following over here, from a rather well-to-do gold expert--JIM SINCLAIR.

His comment on the recently signed Nuke Treaty with the Ruskies merited mention in my opinion. Posted Monday this week if I recall correctly.


Thought For The Day

Last week we heard of the great improvement in relationships between Russia and the US. some media presented it as the end to a cold war, having never reported a cold war.

From over here it looks quite different. In fact it is said that Russia and the US stand in the shadow over the war concerning the Kyrgyzstan. The coup is rumored to be Russian backed. The US stands to lose its last air base, the Manas Air Base, which is seen as CRUCIAL for fighting the Afghanistan war. The US and Russian signing of the nuclear disarmament treaty was not the great step forward that US media presented it to be.

No WONDER the US Military wanted out b/4 the April signing ceremony!

The size of the "book" Barry signed looked to me like much more "unrevealed crap" that is the disgusting trademark of his admin so far. At least in my opinion. Not too big of a stretch for me to wonder what else is in the "Nuclear Health Bill".....

beef

[gunDriller]

i think removing elected officials from office who don't serve the general public is 100% consistent with the founding principles of the Republic.

aka No Taxation without Representation.

aka None of us is obligated to pay for Nancy Pelosi's health care, after she retires.

[johnlvs2run]

The part that is hardest for me is trying to stay alert for the indicated 12:1 currency deval.


How would staying alert for it help?

You seem rather convinced it is going to happen soon.

If so, it seems to me the best place to be invested would be real estate.

[Libertytree]

Just wanted to report the finding of a legitimate local contact person of the GOTFR. I will be visiting with this party face to face before midnight. ;D

While I will be in a reflective mood after said interaction. That being the case, it will be a few days before I share any impressions gathered from such F2F.

Just to reiterate, I have not joined anything nor made any phonecalls to any of the principals involved in GOTFR. This discovery has come through another channel entirely.

Personally, it's taken me a long time to move from incredulity to where I am on this day.

beefsteak



I wish you/us well on your fact finding mission, I have little to none to share at this moment, the 2 .mil contacts I have are digging higher/deeper but no word yet. I saw a slight movement elsewhere but it's still in a gray area for now but I'm still keeping tabs.

No archives posted yet either and I check them 50 times a day, min.

[beefsteak]

The part that is hardest for me is trying to stay alert for the indicated 12:1 currency deval.


How would staying alert for it help?

You seem rather convinced it is going to happen soon.

If so, it seems to me the best place to be invested would be real estate.

Hello, Johnlvs2run,
Thanks for your post! Responding in reverse order, I can understand the virtue of investing in real estate as a defensive position.

I've always been taught that real estate is the one asset class that they can hold a gun to your head all night, and you can't physically turn it over.

I used to believe in that until I understood, thanks to this R.A.P., and things I'm learning as I search history, that what being a "tenant on the land" under admiralty law really means as far as "possession" is concerned.

I'd rather be owner of than tenant on. That's going to take some work it would appear to legitimately operate within the admiralty fiefdom that has been perpetrated upon us vis a vis the strawman corporation and using their UCC procedures set forth therein. It doesn't look easy, nor does it sound easy.
Of course, nothing that is worthwhile is ever easy in the first place! :wwfg

Now, moving to your first inquiry, I'd like to respond to my "maintain alert" portion a little later. My reflections are still jelling in this regard.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

It's 6AM EDT, and sleep has come hard.

Personally, in this journey, my personal movement from incredulity to belief to trust but verify position has been a familiar progression for me in my life's journey. And the implementation of the "verify stage" at this point in my intersection for the first time with the "sovereign movement" as I've learned others call this, has been a wise one for me personally to now operate from re: the RAP as presented and further explored.

After initiating a verify/confirm face to face about which I posted yesterday, I find myself this very morning, retreating deeper into "more confirmation is needed" before personally stepping back out, onto my earlier belief in the efficacy of this particular RAP, and the concomitant ability of the GEs to "pull it off."

I am stepping back, waaaaay back based upon lack of confirmations I heard with my own two ears from a verified "insider" of a neighboring republic.

First, the "what is true" part(s).

Yes, the Letter of Declaration exists, pretty much as it reads on scribd site.
Yes, the Letter has been served on all 50 governors.
Yes, the Letter had an "acquiescence inference." This phrase as it was
explained to me did not help me understand if the Govs were acquiescing
to de jure declared authority, or acquiescing to being removed from office
by overt de jure action.
Yes, there are 4 GEs and their names are as has been previously revealed.
Yes, there are lawful de jure grand juries in the 50 states.
Yes, some of them have less than the 26 reported in some states.
Yes, this is a planned multiple stage rollout.

That's about the depth of the information I was able to confirm.


Now, the "what was NOT confirmed."

No, the Provost Marshall did NOT serve the governers governors. Yes, they
were authorized to be utilized.

In the end, the service was by US Registered Mail.
The explanation provided seemed to be ambiguous and centered around
the need for simultaneous service. Using the Provost Marshall's could not
execute desired simultaneous service.

No, none of the Governors have taken the new oath.
The earlier report such had taken place by April 4 could not be confirmed.

No, there is not a sense of unanimity at the top among the 4 GEs.
The removal of one is being clamored for by many of the grand jurors.

No, there is no confirmation of the GE Kennedy "in cathedra statements" on his
4/11 RBN radio broadcast of the Manifesto of Rights in Law and Bill of
Containment. In fact there was stunned silence and incredulity expressed.

No, there is no official copy of the wet ink, sworn signature Declaration copy in the
possession of the state level RAP coordinator.

No, no sworn oath de jure juror in a neighboring republic with whom I met
face to face has seen an official wet ink copy to the best of their knowledge
in their republic. One juror confessed to having seen the second page of
the cover letter with two sigs as reported by GE Kennedy in his 4/11
broadcast. It was not clear to me if said juror reported they saw the
original page two or a photocopy.

No, no one has been able to confirm in the neighboring republic if bonds and
insurance have been seized and are held in all 50 republics.

No, the confirmation that Barry had been notified by the Head of the Jt Chiefs that
he was no longer commander in chief could not be verified by this insider.


Therefore, I have arrived at the following conclusions:
Adopting at this early stage of my personal awareness of GOTFR and the RAP a trust but verify has been a wise posture for me to adopt.
I have a great deal of egg on my face this morning, as I deal with the fact I have exposed my personal belief in this GOTFR / RAP not only to this forum but also to some personal intimates.
I now have the unpleasant task this day of informing those intimates of my fall back position--which is: I have stepped back and am joining them in watchful but healthy skepticism wrt GOTFR. The Plan is good. The Timing is Good. The execution of the plan sucks as my two grown children will now definitely say to me.

I am processing my own sense of betrayal and decidedly sadness and disappointment and feelings of being let down. And, in order to be true to myself, I must do so in this public forum, as I have previously professed my support and belief in this public forum.

I have hope that something good will emerge from the struggle to regain our freedom on the land as 50 de jure republics.

My confidence this day that GOTFR and RAP will produce said freedom from the federal corporation jackboot on my neck and the necks of my loved ones and my progeny is SEVERELY dented.

One caveat: I did NOT request verification from this neighboring republic insider re: the anticipated, impending 12:1 devaluation spoken of so clearly about by GE Turner in HIS prior public appearances, currently available on the web in various archival formats.

The reason I did not ask for that contact's opinion is quite simple: I never believed in the first place that such stated 12:1 deval a future event triggered by any actions taken by the GOTFR/RAP group to date.

My belief in the credibility of this deval activity ahead of us in the corporate US has ALWAYS been based upon the obvious to me bankrupting behavior of the FED RESERVE and further tightening of the screws on "We, the people."

Now, your responses are next. Bring it on, boys. This old man is tough! |--0--|

beefsteak

[Cebu_4_2]

Just said one person does not make the army, i firmly believe this is going on and farther. Your conformation of said is depressing... I need some sleep to go farther, check back later.

[Dirty Harry]

Beef,
Don't think for a minute that there aren't numerous people on this site hoping this GOTFR project comes to fruition. I think a glance at the number of visits to this thread alone should testify to this.

I, like many I'm sure, have been lurking in the wings following the discussion, and hoping for further information on progress. I would like to forward my thanks to you, cebu, l t, and all those who have taken the time to post any info you have been able to obtain. I haven't joined the conversation simply because I've had no information to add that wasn't already posted and frankly, you all seem to be more on top of the situation than what I've been able to get.

As with you, the lack of information coming out on this subject is frustraring for me to say the least. There are, I'm sure, a multitude of naysayers that will say this project has no possibility of implementation, yet I've always found that those same will also have no suggested plan of their own, only negative things to say about any plan put forth.

I am also in the 'trust but verify' camp, and I will continue to hope for the best. Anyone who is trying to remove the tyrannical yoke from my childrens future, I feel, deserves my hopes and prayers, and continued hopes and prayers they shall have.

[Carl]

It will not work simply because they do not understand the constitutional construction of the Republics. If they did, they would realize that the implimenting figureheads of states, their governors, are just that and little more (the same is supposed to apply to the office of the president of the U.S. as well). The real power of the republics lies in their legislators and it is through them and only them that the republics can be restored and the federal government brought to heel.

And it all revolves around the unconstitutional 17th amendment and the restoration of states' lawful representation within their U.S. Senate.

That is the paradigm shift that is needed and the only one that will work to save our Republics and restore us to the path of Liberty for all.



.

[johnlvs2run]

I am processing my own sense of betrayal and decidedly sadness and disappointment and feelings of being let down. And, in order to be true to myself, I must do so in this public forum, as I have previously professed my support and belief in this public forum.

I have hope that something good will emerge from the struggle to regain our freedom on the land as 50 de jure republics.

I don't know much about all the details you have posted, but am not disheartened at all.

In fact, I personally feel this process, other processes like this, and especially this way of thinking, acting and doing, are what is vital to keep turning things around - as I feel IS occurring.

This is an ongoing process, not a single event, though every instance has merit.

Regardless of who are the proper positions to deal with, or whether any of them are, the shift in awareness, mass consciousness, and the responsiveness of the people are changing. I can see the tide turning, and more happening than just dreaming. To me, everything begins and happens with us. Everything that we wish to occur is within our power and control.

[Libertytree]

I think this falls into the category of something my mom told me, "There ain't nothin' worth a shit that's cheap, free, easy or quick."

Keeping our guard up is justified, no need to set ourselves up for a BIG letdown if the plan fails, for whatever reason. The cause is righteous, freedom and liberty are the most noble causes man has ever sought to achieve and has just been well stated, the tide is turning, albeit slowly, unknown patriots are stirring.

Keep the faith Beef and don't be so hard on yourself, your heart and intent is pure in their desire for a future of freedom for your family and fellow Americans.

[mick silver]

nothing is easy nor free ... we will all know because it will come at a cost for freedom to work again

[beefsteak]

i think removing elected officials from office who don't serve the general public is 100% consistent with the founding principles of the Republic.

aka No Taxation without Representation.

aka None of us is obligated to pay for Nancy Pelosi's health care, after she retires.


gunDriller,
couldn't agree more! Thanks for weighing in.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Just wanted to report the finding of a legitimate local contact person of the GOTFR. I will be visiting with this party face to face before midnight. ;D

While I will be in a reflective mood after said interaction. That being the case, it will be a few days before I share any impressions gathered from such F2F.

Just to reiterate, I have not joined anything nor made any phonecalls to any of the principals involved in GOTFR. This discovery has come through another channel entirely.

Personally, it's taken me a long time to move from incredulity to where I am on this day.

beefsteak



I wish you/us well on your fact finding mission, I have little to none to share at this moment, the 2 .mil contacts I have are digging higher/deeper but no word yet. I saw a slight movement elsewhere but it's still in a gray area for now but I'm still keeping tabs.

No archives posted yet either and I check them 50 times a day, min.


Thanks, LT for your diligence and straightforward posting style. There's a lot of room in the trust but verify camp. Someone famous once said, if we don't all hang together, then we'll end up hanging separately.

Lot of truth to that.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Beef,
Don't think for a minute that there aren't numerous people on this site hoping this GOTFR project comes to fruition. I think a glance at the number of visits to this thread alone should testify to this.

I, like many I'm sure, have been lurking in the wings following the discussion, and hoping for further information on progress. I would like to forward my thanks to you, cebu, l t, and all those who have taken the time to post any info you have been able to obtain. I haven't joined the conversation simply because I've had no information to add that wasn't already posted and frankly, you all seem to be more on top of the situation than what I've been able to get.

As with you, the lack of information coming out on this subject is frustraring for me to say the least. There are, I'm sure, a multitude of naysayers that will say this project has no possibility of implementation, yet I've always found that those same will also have no suggested plan of their own, only negative things to say about any plan put forth.

I am also in the 'trust but verify' camp, and I will continue to hope for the best. Anyone who is trying to remove the tyrannical yoke from my childrens future, I feel, deserves my hopes and prayers, and continued hopes and prayers they shall have.


DirtyHarry,
Thanks for your post. Nice to meet you!

Your support in words by emerging from lurker to poster on this thread is most appreciated.

I liked the way you closed your post best. I believe in the power of prayer. I've not stopped praying about this matter. The need for restoration actions is just very urgent in my view.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

It will not work simply because they do not understand the constitutional construction of the Republics. If they did, they would realize that the implimenting figureheads of states, their governors, are just that and little more (the same is supposed to apply to the office of the president of the U.S. as well). The real power of the republics lies in their legislators and it is through them and only them that the republics can be restored and the federal government brought to heel.

And it all revolves around the unconstitutional 17th amendment and the restoration of states' lawful representation within their U.S. Senate.

That is the paradigm shift that is needed and the only one that will work to save our Republics and restore us to the path of Liberty for all.

Carl,
thanks for your post. You and I will just have to agree to disagree, Carl. I believe the linchpin for restoration has to predate Lincoln's illegal behaviors when the South walked out of Congress. That would predate 1861.

Your 17th amendment position is way newer, having been ratified April 8, 1913.

I think the GOTFR got this rollback point correct. Therein lies our gentlemanly disagreement, Carl.

Peace
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I am processing my own sense of betrayal and decidedly sadness and disappointment and feelings of being let down. And, in order to be true to myself, I must do so in this public forum, as I have previously professed my support and belief in this public forum.

I have hope that something good will emerge from the struggle to regain our freedom on the land as 50 de jure republics.

I don't know much about all the details you have posted, but am not disheartened at all.

In fact, I personally feel this process, other processes like this, and especially this way of thinking, acting and doing, are what is vital to keep turning things around - as I feel IS occurring.

This is an ongoing process, not a single event, though every instance has merit.

Regardless of who are the proper positions to deal with, or whether any of them are, the shift in awareness, mass consciousness, and the responsiveness of the people are changing. I can see the tide turning, and more happening than just dreaming. To me, everything begins and happens with us. Everything that we wish to occur is within our power and control.

John,
thanks for your post. There's a lot of meat you put into your own words. Let's not grow weary in our goal to see the Republic restored!

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

I think this falls into the category of something my mom told me, "There ain't nothin' worth a sh*t that's cheap, free, easy or quick."

Keeping our guard up is justified, no need to set ourselves up for a BIG letdown if the plan fails, for whatever reason. The cause is righteous, freedom and liberty are the most noble causes man has ever sought to achieve and has just been well stated, the tide is turning, albeit slowly, unknown patriots are stirring.

Keep the faith Beef and don't be so hard on yourself, your heart and intent is pure in their desire for a future of freedom for your family and fellow Americans.

LT,
thanks for your kind response and words of encouragement. Let this thread still be a touchstone as we stand shoulder to shoulder to get Freedom's work done.
I'm watching as best I know how, after learning of the various truths after my fact checking last evening.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

nothing is easy nor free ... we will all know because it will come at a cost for freedom to work again

Well put, Mick Silver.

Thanks!

beefsteak

[Carl]

It will not work simply because they do not understand the constitutional construction of the Republics. If they did, they would realize that the implimenting figureheads of states, their governors, are just that and little more (the same is supposed to apply to the office of the president of the U.S. as well). The real power of the republics lies in their legislators and it is through them and only them that the republics can be restored and the federal government brought to heel.

And it all revolves around the unconstitutional 17th amendment and the restoration of states' lawful representation within their U.S. Senate.

That is the paradigm shift that is needed and the only one that will work to save our Republics and restore us to the path of Liberty for all.

Carl,
thanks for your post. You and I will just have to agree to disagree, Carl. I believe the linchpin for restoration has to predate Lincoln's illegal behaviors when the South walked out of Congress. That would predate 1861.

Your 17th amendment position is way newer, having been ratified April 8, 1913.

I think the GOTFR got this rollback point correct. Therein lies our gentlemanly disagreement, Carl.

Peace
beefsteak


The only disagreement we have is over tactics. You don't charge headlong into a well fortified and entrenched position, it's a sure fire way to get slaughtered.

First you have to soften it up, punch a hole in it, disrupt their lines of communication and command and while they're trying to figure out what to do and how to cope with the introduced chaos, you make your push for the whole shooting match.

Let the states punch that hole with the 17th, then GOTFR can sweep in for the constitutional cleanup.

That's all I'm saying.........

[Cebu_4_2]

some interesting comments I have read from various sites:

Wow, over 1,300 people involved, and he said the reason this has moved forward ahead of schedule is that Obama was about to sign 3 treaties which signed our nationality away, allowing UN troops to be walking the streets of America.

I don't what to make of all this either yet, but it could be the news of the century.
==================

After a year of face-to-face negotiations with high-ranking members of the armed forces
of the united States of America, the leaders of the freedom movement have joined together to bring you a four step comprehensive remedy—the Restore America Plan—whereby the military has agreed to follow the orders of the legitimate de jure government upon proper restoration and execution.

To be clear, this is not a typical patriot “remedy.” The four step Restore America Plan was proposed by high-ranking members of the military who are tired of taking orders from a corporate CEO, and who recognize the People as the last chance to avoid a third world war. In fulfilling the call to action, the Guardian Elders who wrote the Declaration and designed the implementation plan are prepared, with your assistance, to restore the one true sovereign authority on the land once and for all, as the only lawful government of the United States of America in truth and in the eyes of the military commanders.

======================

Now as to the reason the military may be onboard with this, it could well be they know that more than just wardrums are beating upon the doors of Iran at this time. There has been a long propaganda campaign to demonize them profusely, and the intelligence agencies have tried their damnest to saturate the MSM with false stories of their intention to build a nuclear weapon. Giving apparent "just cause" for a bombardment, at least, of Iran's nuclear facilities.

And the military, now fresh in the face of realizing the Iraq and Afghan wars were sold to them based on lies, is probably "twice bitten, thrice shy"- and extremely skeptical of anything the CIA comes up with on Iran. And well they should be.

That combined with other nefarious plots going on behind the scenes, like the 3 treaties mentioned previously, would contribute to the understanding of why the military would go along with something like this.

If power is not soon divested back to the states, with 50 well regulated militias at the ready, these criminals in Washington may drag us into another war that not only we cannot afford, but that may cause the entire middle east to erupt like a volcano. And volcanic ash, I might point out, can affect the whole globe. "Blowback" it is called, but in this case it may well mean "blowup."

I'll tell ya what though, I have been saying for some time that I would not be surprised to see the military attempt some kind of coup on Washington to stop this madness. And this could well be it.

======================

[Libertytree]

Since the onset of all this I've been more than a little clueless as to the bonds issue, I kept asking myself, what bonds? I just found this and haven't dug through all of it but I think it helps to understand some of the jargon we keep hearing about.

http://publicofficial.suretybondcenter.com/understanding.html

I don't have an Adobe reader on this machine yet, you have a head start.

http://www.bond007.net/federal_official_bond.html

[beefsteak]

I personally think Beefs source is less knowledgeable than we have become. Any of us could sign up as a rep and would most likely know more because we chose to learn more about the situation. I will remain enlightened in Ted's speech "it is in process". They have to school the governors and others that are part of this and that will take a few weeks if not the full 90 days but believe me this is solid as a rock. I believe it with substance and all my will it is true and we have already reclaimed AmeriCa, just take a bit for the loose edges to fall off so we can move along.

Cebu_4_2,
You are entitled to your opinion. However, you have crossed a line here, with me personally.

This post of yours is impugning not only my source(s) but also casting aspersions wrt my ability to select a credible source or sources to subject to my confirm and verify interrogatory in the first place.

I posted on this thread, I had such a connection. I posted I had not called that party yet. That is now historical record, not current facts in evidence.

You can take to the bank, when I say I've reached up into executive/administrative level of ANY organization about which I'm in confirm then verify mode, I'm at the top. My inquiry goes all the way to the top.

This public post of yours is why I am taking offense. Stating opinion is one thing. Thinly disguised insinuations and aspersions such as you've posted are another. Be prepared to back them up, Jeff.

The higher I reach into an organization's executive level, the more need for protecting my source(s) is/are. I am definitely not going to enter into a whizzing contest with you any more than I will engage in debate with jetgraphics.

Peace but at a safe distance, Cebu_4_2,
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Since the onset of all this I've been more than a little clueless as to the bonds issue, I kept asking myself, what bonds? I just found this and haven't dug through all of it but I think it helps to understand some of the jargon we keep hearing about.

http://publicofficial.suretybondcenter.com/understanding.html

I don't have an Adobe reader on this machine yet, you have a head start.

http://www.bond007.net/federal_official_bond.html


LT,
Thanks for your links. I have been reading about this bonding process which seems to be a linchpin for enforcement actions by the newly established "de jure" grand juries.

I have found one reference from one of the GE, I believe it was TT, which stated one form of seizure/arresting of bonds and insurance is the activity of placing liens against them. A recent case in point, is the World Court Lien leveraged against the FR in favor of the plaintiff, China.

If you find any links that bring to light the alleged leverage brought to bear by such a lien process, please post.

Thanks!
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

The Republic Broadcasting Hour program from 8-10PM EDT is on currently.

It is a re-run of last week's LIVE broadcast. This is NOT live, but a replay of 4/11's TNP show.

In case some wish to follow along, it is on now, regardless of your continental time zone residency.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

Sorry for the lapse in updates, links, info etc but I took the weekend to go to an Appleseed event, which I highly recommend.

Sorry, the links were bad.

Thanks for the heads up undgrd.

[undgrd]

^^^

I think you need to get the full address for those MP3 files. Page not unknown error popping up.

[cigarlover]

While you guys sit and wait for the real info to come out. (I predict there will be nothing and in the ned there will be excuses as to why there is nothing that comes from this) Someone else is doing real work that can be verified. Remember the continental congress? Well they delivered their documents to all 50 states today and Bob SHultz will be on cnn tonight at 10 pm.
On Monday, April 19, 2010 - PATRIOT'S DAY

At the Same Moment in Time in Every State
9am Hawaii, 10am Alaska, Noon - PDT, 1pmMDT, 2pm CDT, 3pmEDT

THE VOICE OF FREEDOM WILL BE HEARD ACROSS AMERICA

We will honor God, our Country and our Constitution
and then serve the Articles of Freedom on our elected officials.




Dear WTP supporters,

We the People have petitioned the government for a Redress of Grievances for violations of the Constitution in an effort to hold them accountable. The Petitions have not answered. A Continental Congress has once again been convened. The result of that gathering, a non-political document which addresses the violations and provides remedial Instructions, is now ready to be served on elected officials. The Articles of Freedom have a mission to accomplish.

Tomorrow will be an important day in America's history as we take the appropriate next step on the Pathway of Liberty. The Articles represent the only plan we know of at this time that show America and each of us -- we, the people and those we elected to serve us -- the way back to the system of government intended for this Nation.

Come and be part of this event in your state. Visit www.articlesoffreedom.us/ThePlan.aspx and see what is happening where you live. Please tell your friends, families and associates. Send a note to persons and organizations who may want to participate.

Each state has a different level of momentum on which to build for this event, depending on its volunteers, past and present. Whatever is taking place, a RECORD will be made for the citizens of your state.

If you happen to live in one of the few states where it appears there will not be a gathering, YOU can take LIBERTY into your own hands and act. It feels GOOD to fulfill your God-given Individual Right to hold your elected officials accountable to their Oath.

YOU can go to your capitol and serve the Articles and/or ensure they are sent by certified mail. If you let us know what you plan to do, we will post the information and you may find you have company from others like you who felt to do the same. If you cannot be at the state capitol, but want to participate, serve your federal representative at his or her office in your own district.

To serve the Articles on elected officials, simply visit the link above (The Plan page) and scroll down to the RESOURCE section which is near the top left side. There you will see "To Serve the Articles on Elected Officials." There are three parts to this process: you will need to print a copy of the Articles for each official; customize the transmittal cover letter for each official and sign your name; and fill out the Certificate of Service as indicated on the form.

One of my favorite mottos by which I live, comes to mind here: Do the right thing and you never know what will happen.

The goal is to have the Articles served on the two U.S. Senators, the Congressman in the state capital district, the Governor, and the Head of each Chamber of the Legislature, in every state. There are volunteers in several states who are dividing into "delivery teams" with plans to serve many more. In your state, tomorrow may be a beginning which will continue on from there. Talk to each other and begin to build a network that will express the Power of the People to hold their elected officials accountable to their Constitutions.

As you join with us to serve the Articles of Freedom, we will be grateful for every effort you make to dress and act as the BEST example you can be of an American who is Honoring their Constitution and their country.

What we do for ourselves, our loved ones and our fellowman tomorrow, we do for all mankind and the millions yet unborn who will live for the words, YOU ARE FREE.


THE CONSTITUTION CANNOT DEFEND ITSELF.
IT IS UP TO WE THE PEOPLE TO DEFEND IT AND NOW IS OUR TIME.

Bob Schulz
All on the national team
We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education
We The People Congress

[beefsteak]

cigarlover,

thank you for that update on the congressional process put into motion today.

Perhaps you will come back and share the URL to whatever broadcast you are referring to?

I was able to listen to a live and several delayed segments of that process several months back. I'd like to try to hear whatever is public tonight as well.

Thanks.

beefsteak

[cigarlover]

All i Know is hes gonna be on cnn with anderson coper tonight at 10. I dont have a tv so I cant watch it but maybe someone else can update us or maybe there will be a youtube?

[Mouse]

All i Know is hes gonna be on cnn with anderson coper tonight at 10. I dont have a tv so I cant watch it but maybe someone else can update us or maybe there will be a youtube?


If that's the case than it's rubbish.

[Libertytree]

Here's a link I found to a talk shoe broadcast from last night, go in about 1hr 30 mins and GOTFR is being discussed, (from what was posted at another forum). I don't have time right now to listen but I thought yaw'll might like to go ahead and give it a listen.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=54318&cmd=tc

[Libertytree]

I'm not sure exactly where this is coming from, so I'm just the messenger. Found at the American Grand Jury site.



Take this information with a grain of salt….I haven’t heard this but it is what John has heard from someone close to the RAP….found at….

http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
Restore America Plan – UPDATE — MUST READ
Found on Rumormill
================

UPDATE ON THE RESTORE AMERICA PLAN
Posted By: Rayelan
Date: Tuesday, 20-Apr-2010 12:46:29

This comes from Charles Seabert.
WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD:

1 – We have been on Constitutional Law since 12:01 AM Eastern since Friday, 3 days ago. And we are using the Constitution that was printed in 1870. Get a copy and educate yourself.

2 – Many meetings going on in D.C. as most of them know nothing about the laws.

3 – Most attorneys and judges know nothing or very little about these laws. They were not covered in law school.

4 – All executive orders, acts and laws that were enacted while our country was a corporation will be null and void.

5 – The first announcement will be April 26, 2010, which will be regarding debt forgiveness.

6 – The second announcement will be the following night and will be about the new government.

7 – The third announcement will be the following night which will be about all the “bad stuff” that has been started by the “bad boys” over the past 100 years. Many nights of announcements will follow. A number of them will be the education of the masses. I heard a total of about 10 to 12 nights.

8 – Political prisoners will be released most any day.

9 – Go to http://www.RestoreAmericaPlan.net for more information and also sign up if you want to become sovereign.

10 -A package of what will be done and how have been delivered to each governor of each Republic, the Supreme Court, the Military and many other official offices. The officials had to take an oath to the Constitution within 72 hours or resign from their office. We no longer call them states, they are Republics.

If anyone has a list of the meetings and/conference calls pertaining to the Restore America Plan, their times, phone numbers, radio stations, etc., please forward them to me so we can inform many more people.
THIS IS A LEGITIMATE PROCESS AND MORE INFORMATION WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
Charles Seabert

[beefsteak]

LT,
well, that took courage! :o

While we're talking about money, etc., I feel obliged to report the currency deval has been rescheduled for 12:01 Sunday (of course the time zone wasn't mentioned.) ::)

Supposedly, this is when some kind of global reset button will occur in order for all the internationals who participated in the G20 earlier (this year or last...who can remember???) all get aboard the "Basel II" train, whatever THAT is.

You know how rumors go...especially the internet variety...
Charles Sea...something o'ruther...on some website (Four Winds), and picked up by NESARA as gospel, and then flung around the net in one gigantic game of "gossip"

(I remember playing "gossip game" during inside recess when the weather was too inclement for the teacher to send us outside... The girls always ended up in gales of laughter and we guys...not so much. We felt like fools, and like someone had spit into our ear when it came time for us to hear the secret gossip message being sent around our little chairs' circle supposedly to hold our squirming butts for the 15 mintues we'd rather be outside than inside playing gossip!!!"

Can hardly wait to hear what the rumor NEXT week is about the last iteration of the currency deval? Perhaps it will be a variation on the old saw-- "the dog ate my homework...."

.....perhaps something along the lines of "the volcano vaporized global fiat?"

Who knows? ;D

Gaillo...anything you wish to add?

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

PS....
the other part of the rumor while I'm quoting rumors....

After the 26th of April sometime, every American over age 21 will begin to receive 100,000 Treasury Notes WEEKLY, for the next 11 years.

hey, it just keeps getting better. What can I say?

:laugh

beefsteak

[Cebu_4_2]

100k Frns? I'm game... so much for curbing inflation tho. ;D

[Cebu_4_2]

Somethings going on with my states website, there is NO statements or titles regarding "of the state of ____ IE governor of the state of. All state sites seem to be changed, their old logo is gone.

Can anyone else confirm your own state? I personally am in a state of stupid at the moment ;-]

[Horn]

Somethings going on with my states website, there is NO statements or titles regarding "of the state of ____ IE governor of the state of. All state sites seem to be changed, their old logo is gone.

Can anyone else confirm your own state? I personally am in a state of stupid at the moment ;-]



Nevada's Gibbons has a notice up.

I think he's the only one fighting for his position while the rest are caving into Univ. Healthcare...

(maybe due to some outside factional threats, I'm not sure?)

http://gov.state.nv.us/PressReleases/2010/2010-04-20_ConstitutionalDefenseFundMeetsGoal.htm



CONSTITUTION DEFENSE FUND MEETS GOAL

Carson City - Governor Jim Gibbons today announced the Constitution Defense Fund has surpassed its goal of $3,500 to fund filing fees and other legal costs associated with a lawsuit to fight the newly passed federal health care legislation.

“I am pleased to see that our fund has reached its goal less than two weeks after its establishment,” Gibbon said. “We are proceeding with our legal work and plan to file appropriate documents with the court by mid-May.”

Governor Jim Gibbons appointed Special Counsel Mark Hutchison to lead Nevada’s legal challenge over the constitutionality of the bill. Hutchison and several other attorneys are working without compensation to assist Governor Gibbons in this fight. Subsequently, numerous inquiries from citizens were received wishing to assist in the Governor’s fight against the Reid/Pelosi/Obama Health Care Plan. The Constitutional Defense Fund currently has a balance of $3,825. Any future donations to the Constitutional Defense Fund will be deposited and held in trust in case there are any unanticipated costs of the lawsuit. Should that not happen, the funds will be returned to the donors who contributed after the initial $3,500 goal was met.

Governor Gibbons also reiterated his stand that the Reid/Pelosi/Obama Health Care Plan is an insult to all Nevada citizens because it tramples the U.S. Constitution by requiring all citizens to purchase health insurance. “The Constitution says the rights not expressly delegated to the Federal government are reserved to the individual states and to the people,” Gibbons said. “We need to stop this encroachment on our individual rights as citizens now, before any further mandates which dictate personal freedom and choices are enacted.”

[beefsteak]

Horn,
good contribution to the discussion.

Sounds like the Nevada gov has some independence in his own right, even tho' the deck is stacked against him in a Goliath (Federal Corporation) vs David (Nevada Corporation) match.

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

The rumored R.A.P. announcements next week--regardless of source--seem to underscore the seriousness of the CRUSHING indebtedness born by most in this country, especially the "middle-class" consumer folk.

Some rumors focus on ALL Debt; some on FORECLOSURE Debt...who knows which is worse.

Found an interesting link posted on JSMINESET today:



In the News Today... (4/22/2010)
One of my services to you is to note those who are doing excellent work in the real estate sector for those CIGAs (acronym: comrades in golden arms) who may have been victimized by the financial scum so prevalent today.

As always, I have no financial relationship with Marie McDonnell directly or indirectly.

Marie McDonnell, CFE

Truth In Lending Audit & Recovery Services, LLC
Mortgage Fraud and Forensic Analyst
Certified Fraud Examiner
MARIE.MCDONNELL@TRUTHINLENDING.NET (http://MARIE.MCDONNELL@TRUTHINLENDING.NET)


Sinclair has mentioned her before, and even posted some of her correspondence with him with her permission, of course.

She's one of the legal beagles behind the residental fraud fighters. Don't have a clue if she is a "RAPper or not" ditto, part of the Fannie or Freddie GSE machinery. However, I highly doubt it.

I just went on the net and found this website, complete with pix of Marie. Don't know anything else than what I've read.
http://truthinlending.net/index.html

Since one of the posters on this thread has a friend getting "original loan docs" are lost legal action notices, I thought I'd post this.

Hope it helps.
beefsteak

[beefsteak]

In GE Kennedy's Manifesto of Rights in Law and Bill of Containment, revealed and being edited as it was revealed on air, part of the litany was focused upon who could be attorneys IN law in a de jure republic. And the word attorney was defined as "agent," as well.

Perceiving this as a related matter, and personally NOT really believing all that much in coincidences, the following blog entry by an attorney AT law, Michael S Frisch dated 4/22 is hereby offered as grist for the R.A.P. / sovereignty mill-workers.
http://www.law.georgetown.edu/faculty/facinfo/tab_faculty.cfm?Status=Faculty&ID=1140


Vouching For Police Witness Credibility Leads To Reversal Of Conviction
April 22, 2010

Montana Unauthorized Practice Commission Dissolved

The Supreme Court of Montana has responded to a petition by its Commission on the Unauthorized Practice of Law by entering an opinion and order dissolving the commission effective April 20, 2010. The original petition had proposed rule changes that were submitted for public comment. The court noted that an array of persons and organizations had filed "voluminous, thoughtful comments...Indeed, we cannot recall a matter on which there has been more comment by members of the public on a matter before [the court]."

The committee had responded to the comments by filing a motion to dissolve under an agreement that has complaints of unauthorized practice handled by the state Attorney General's Office of Consumer Protection. Lawyers who are licensed elsewhere will be referred to the Office of Disciplinary Counsel by the Attorney General.

The court concluded (contrary, I believe, to the holdings of many state high courts) that it lacks the authority to regulate or even define the unauthorized practice of law. Further, the parameters of unauthorized practice are not clearly defined ("...we are mindful of the movement towards nationalization and globalization of the practice of law, and with the actions taken by federal authorities against state attempts to localize, monopolize, regulate, or restrict the interstate or international provision of legal services.").

The court commended the commission for it's "excellent, and often frustrating, work..." along with the State Bar and Attorney General for establishing a "better way for handling complaints of unauthorized practice."

(Mike Frisch)

April 22, 2010 in Current Affairs, Law & Business, Law & Society

[beefsteak]

Today, I learned something new about my American History. Now something GE Turner has spoken about during some of his YouTube vids, makes sense.

Here's where I learned it: from my wife who is busy listening to all the hours of Tim Turner's seminars she found on the web last evening. (No, it was not my idea of fun sleeping alone last night. LOL I just sent her to bed--alone--while I start my day. ;D )

Enough of the personal, here's what I learned, and something I've been wondering since the 28th of March when I first became aware of all this "stuff" --aka seminars, YouTube vids, Talkshoe, forums, plans, manifests, militiae, and the list goes on.

I heard GE Turner speak to the 70 year renegotiation of a EDIT bankruptcy (an) America Revolutionary War Loan with a 70 year into the future "payment due date. " GE Turner says it always results in a declaration of bankruptcy over here. He quoted June 5 1933 announcement to Congress that is in the Congressional Record, where our second most recent bankruptcy declaration was announced to Congress.

This French sourced R.W. loan is a "taking that just keeps on taking." There were 2 loan due dates, I could identify, the first one in 1861 and the one in 1931. It's the 3rd "Due Date, 2001" that I was having trouble seeing...that is until this morning. EDIT OFF

HOWEVER, I couldn't back trace --until the wife told me this morning before I made her hit the sack, the cause of the initial 70 year aegis, which would have been 1861 minus 70 years, or 1791. This morning, with the wife's help, it hit me.

1791 was the first date of payment agreement. And guess what...that is the date of the ratified original, Bill of Rights attached Constitution FOR the United States.

Here's what I was missing. Maybe some of you all are as well?....

It seems that our revolutionary war WAS FUNDED BY the French because we misfits now established in NA Continent after having abruptly left GBritain, basically didn't have 2 Pine Tree Schillings to rub together. And we all know that wars are expensive!

They are the ones to whom we are beholden, and go through this 70year re-negotiation of our debt to them.

I'll leave you all with this thought. The last renegotiation DEADLINE w/the FRENCH, THIS TIME around was Sept 10, 2001.

Now, I don't put a whole lot of stock into coincidences, as I've stated earlier. However, I sure recall what happened 9/11/2001. Do any of the rest of you?

And you wonder why I sent her to bed just now? I've got to do some thinking on this.

I just KNEW in my gut, there had to be some really simple "root cause" type explanation as to why the 9/11 conspiracy theorists were so stubbornly convinced of US Govt complicity in 9/11, whether by overt offensive, or overt omission in some type of "stand down, stand aside." This sounds to me like a fit, and why the 9/11 conspiracy theory folks feel they have "legs."

Like I said, I have me some thinking to do. Glad she's now in bed. This is a big wad of good old fashioned, 4 stomachs/bovine cud to ruminate on this morning. Right now, I quite literally have indigestion as this 9/10/2001 French 70-year payment due/rollover deadline pesky detail is stuck in my reticulum!

beefsteak

[beefsteak]

Poking around via Google, I found this fascinating piece of peer reveiwed History which sheds light on the "French Support" and the financial "bill that was presented later, with a the first payment due date of 1861 --when the South succeeded, leaving Lincoln without a quorum in Congress.




The Economics of the American Revolutionary War
Ben Baack, Ohio State University (Nov 2001-peer reviewed/published)

By the time of the onset of the American Revolution, Britain had attained the status of a military and economic superpower. The thirteen American colonies were one part of a global empire generated by the British in a series of colonial wars beginning in the late seventeenth century and continuing on to the mid eighteenth century. The British military establishment increased relentlessly in size during this period as it engaged in the Nine Years War (1688-97), the War of Spanish Succession (1702-13), the War of Austrian Succession (1739-48), and the Seven Years War (1756-63). These wars brought considerable additions to the British Empire. In North America alone the British victory in the Seven Years War resulted in France ceding to Britain all of its territory east of the Mississippi River as well as all of Canada and Spain surrendering its claim to Florida (Nester, 2000).

Given the sheer magnitude of the British military and its empire, the actions taken by the American colonists for independence have long fascinated scholars. Why did the colonists want independence? How were they able to achieve a victory over what was at the time the world's preeminent military power? What were the consequences of achieving independence? These and many other questions have engaged the attention of economic, legal, military, political, and social historians. In this brief essay we will focus only on the economics of the Revolutionary War.


Economic Causes of the Revolutionary War

Prior to the conclusion of the Seven Years War there was little, if any, reason to believe that one day the American colonies would undertake a revolution in an effort to create an independent nation-state. As apart of the empire the colonies were protected from foreign invasion by the British military. In return, the colonists paid relatively few taxes and could engage in domestic economic activity without much interference from the British government. For the most part the colonists were only asked to adhere to regulations concerning foreign trade. In a series of acts passed by Parliament during the seventeenth century the Navigation Acts required that all trade within the empire be conducted on ships which were constructed, owned and largely manned by British citizens. Certain enumerated goods whether exported or imported by the colonies had to be shipped through England regardless of the final port of destination.


Western Land Policies

The movement for independence arose in the colonies following a series of critical decisions made by the British government after the end of the war with France in 1763. Two themes emerge from what was to be a fundamental change in British economic policy toward the American colonies. The first involved western land. With the acquisition from the French of the territory between the Allegheny Mountains and the Mississippi River the British decided to isolate the area from the rest of the colonies. Under the terms of the Proclamation of 1763 and the Quebec Act of 1774 colonists were not allowed to settle here or trade with the Indians without the permission of the British government. These actions nullified the claims to land in the area by a host of American colonies, individuals, and land companies. The essence of the policy was to maintain British control of the fur trade in the West by restricting settlement by the Americans.


Tax Policies

The second fundamental change involved taxation. The British victory over the French had come at a high price. Domestic taxes had been raised substantially during the war and total government debt had increased nearly twofold (Brewer, 1989). Furthermore, the British had decided in1763 to place a standing army of 10,000 men in North America. The bulk of these forces were stationed in newly acquired territory to enforce its new land policy in the West. Forts were to be built which would become the new centers of trade with the Indians. The British decided that the Americans should share the costs of the military buildup in the colonies. The reason seemed obvious. Taxes were significantly higher in Britain than in the colonies. One estimate suggests the per capita tax burden in the colonies ranged from two to four per cent of that in Britain (Palmer, 1959). It was time in the British view that the Americans began to pay a larger share of the expenses of the empire.

Accordingly, a series of tax acts were passed by Parliament the revenue from which was to be used to help pay for the standing army in America. The first was the Sugar Act of 1764. Proposed by England's Prime Minister the act lowered tariff rates on non-British products from the West Indies as well as strengthened their collection. It was hoped this would reduce the incentive for smuggling and thereby increase tariff revenue (Bullion, 1982). The following year Parliament passed the Stamp Act that imposed a tax commonly used in England. It required stamps for a broad range of legal documents as well as newspapers and pamphlets. While the colonial stamp duties were less than those in England they were expected to generate enough revenue to finance a substantial portion of the cost the new standing army. The same year passage of the Quartering Act imposed essentially a tax in kind by requiring the colonists to provide British military units with housing, provisions, and transportation. In 1767 the Townshend Acts imposed tariffs upon a variety of imported goods and established a Board of Customs Commissioners in the colonies to collect the revenue.
Boycotts

American opposition to these acts was expressed initially in a variety of peaceful forms. While they did not have representation in Parliament, the colonists did attempt to exert some influence in it through petition and lobbying. However, it was the economic boycott that became by far the most effective means of altering the new British economic policies. In 1765 representatives from nine colonies met at the Stamp Act Congress in New York and organized a boycott of imported English goods. The boycott was so successful in reducing trade that English merchants lobbied Parliament for the repeal of the new taxes. Parliament soon responded to the political pressure. During 1766 it repealed both the Stamp and Sugar Acts (Johnson, 1997). In response to the Townshend Acts of 1767 a second major boycott started in 1768 in Boston and New York and subsequently spread to other cities leading Parliament in 1770 to repeal all of the Townshend duties except the one on tea. In addition, Parliament decided at the same time not to renew the Quartering Act.

With these actions taken by Parliament the Americans appeared to have successfully overturned the new British post war tax agenda. However, Parliament had not given up what it believed to be its right to tax the colonies. On the same day it repealed the Stamp Act, Parliament passed the Declaratory Act stating the British government had the full power and authority to make laws governing the colonies in all cases whatsoever including taxation. Policies not principles had been overturned.

more of this peer reviewed article:
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/baack.war.revolutionary.us

I encourage all to refresh their memories. I know it's been a LOOOOONG time since I was in American History classes as a youngster. Now, that R.A.P. has been brought forth, I find myself review riveted wrt my own republic's history.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

I've come to the conclusion that revolution was spurred by the single desire of the colonists to be left alone. Non-representation was a factor as were taxes but the bullying by the Crown and its assertion of dominance was the primary fuel. Taxation was an easy means of exciting the populace and fomenting discontent.

[beefsteak]

LT,

you make an excellent point.

Question: is the section acquired from the French of the territory between the Allegheny Mountains and the Mississippi River what I think I was taughts was called "the Louisiana Purchase?"

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

LT,

you make an excellent point.

Question: is the section acquired from the French of the territory between the Allegheny Mountains and the Mississippi River what I think I was taughts was called "the Louisiana Purchase?"

beefsteak


No, the Alleghenies were under British control, the Purchase is a much larger and more westerly land acquisition.

[mick silver]

PS....
the other part of the rumor while I'm quoting rumors....

After the 26th of April sometime, every American over age 21 will begin to receive 100,000 Treasury Notes WEEKLY, for the next 11 years.

hey, it just keeps getting better. What can I say?

:laugh

beefsteak
thaanks beefsteak i have been eyeing a place with over 100 ac of land to add to the land i have now that 100.000.00 will come in nice thanks mick s

[beefsteak]

Okay, Thanks. Obviously I'm not a "southerner" even tho' I use y'all a lot. Comes from my Columbus Georgia "residency" many years ago.


Statehood Dates

STATE NAME STATEHOOD DATE/ORDER
Delaware Dec. 7, 1787 1 st #1 of original 13 colonies.

Pennsylvania Dec. 12, 1787 2 nd #1 of original 13 colonies.

New Jersey Dec. 18, 1787 3rd #3 of original 13 colonies.

Georgia Jan. 2, 1788 4 th 4th of original 13 colonies

Connecticut Jan. 9, 1788 5 th #5 of original 13 colonies.

Massachusetts Feb. 6, 1788 6 th #6 of original 13 colonies

Maryland April 28, 1788 7 th #7 of original 13 colonies.

South Carolina May 23, 1788 8 th #8 of original 13 colonies.

New Hampshire June 21, 1788 9 th #9 of original 13 colonies

Virginia June 25, 1788 10 th #10 of original 13 colonies.

New York July 26, 1788 11 th #11 of original 13 colonies.

North Carolina Nov. 21, 1789 12 th #12 of original 13 colonies.

Rhode Island May 29, 1790 13 th #13th of original 13 colonies.

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Vermont March 4, 1791 14 th

Kentucky June 1, 1792 15 th

Tennessee June 1, 1796 16 th

Ohio March 1, 1803 17 th

Louisiana April 30, 1812 18 th

Indiana Dec. 11, 1816 19 th

Mississippi Dec. 10, 1817 20 th

Illinois Dec. 3, 1818 21 st

Alabama Dec. 14, 1819 22 nd

Maine March 15, 1820 23 rd

Missouri Aug. 10, 1821 24 th

Arkansas June 15, 1836 25 th

Michigan Jan. 26., 1837 26 th

Florida March 3, 1845 27 th

Texas Dec. 29, 1845 28 th Was an independent republic before statehood

Iowa Dec. 28, 1846 29 th

Wisconsin May 29, 1848 30 th

California Sept. 9, 1850 31 st Ceded by Mexico by the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo, concluded Feb. 2, 1848, and proclaimed July 4, 1848. From then until statehood, California had a military government until Dec. 20, 1849, and then a local civil government. It never had a territorial form of government.

Minnesota May 11, 1858 32 nd

Oregon Feb. 14, 1859 33 rd

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BELOW--statehood was granted AFTER the 1860 R.A.P. restoration
of the (organic) Constitution FOR the united States of America--
Roll Back Date.

Kansas Jan. 29, 1861 34 th

West Virginia June 20, 1863 35 th

Nevada Oct. 31, 1864 36 th

Nebraska March 1, 1867 37 th

Colorado Aug. 1, 1876 38 th

North Dakota Nov. 2, 1889 39 th or 40th
South Dakota Nov. 2, 1889 39 th or 40th

Montana Nov. 8, 1889 41 st

Washington Nov. 11, 1889 42 nd

Idaho July 3, 1890 43 rd

Wyoming July 10, 1890 44 th

Utah Jan. 4, 1896 45 th

Oklahoma Nov. 16, 1907 46 th

New Mexico Jan. 6, 1912 47 th

Arizona Feb. 14, 1912 48 th

Alaska Jan. 3, 1959 49 th A district from Oct. 18, 1867, until it became an organized territory Aug. 24, 1912.

Hawaii Aug. 21, 1959 50 th
The territorial date Aug. 12, 1898 is that of the formal transfer to the United States, with Sanford B. Dole as first Governor. *
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* According to GE Turner, Hawaii has REMOVED its LAND from the US Federal Corporation and returned it back to the King and Queen of Hawaii. This is still being wrestled with as of the late 2009 statement from GE Turner.




I'm just wondering what changes "newer portion" of the restored 50 republics-#34 to #50- will now ponder changing their constitution. I was reading one, don't remember if it was Utah or Idaho, but bigamy and polygamy were stated as permitted aka legal under their constitutions.

Wonder what other interesting private behaviors will emerge in the review of the AFTER 1860 REPUBLICS' constitutions.

Should especially interesting times coming up, considering #34 onward states' constitutions were formulated after 1861 and Lincoln's unlawful Congressional Behavior which started this mess.

I'm not a southern boy, but I've got to admit: I'm so proud of the South for seceding because they refused to be bullied when Lincoln demanded THEIR land be the new and additional collateral for the first 70 year loan payment due date ! The south paid for it with their lives. Now, THAT is commitment!!!

Damn the French who financed the American Revolutionary War! Just get over it already, Sarkozy, deGaulle, Mitterand, et al.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

I've been studying Florida's Constitution(s) and the results are damning and telling. Florida had it's original Constitution of 1838 and it remained the same until just prior to the civil war as when it was changed as per the secession amendment.

Next it had the Constitution of 1865, right after the war. It though was rejected by the US Congress and Florida was ruled by military law until 1868, where another one was written that was obviously more to the liking of Washington DC. and was passed into law.

Now, here's the interesting thing I've found. The 1st two Constitutions had an entire set of Articles pertaining to Banks and Corporations, the second one was slightly more bank friendly than the first but it was obvious they meant to keep a tight fist over those institutions. The 1838 Constitution allowed a bank to have a 1:1 ratio of hard assets to notes on loan while the 1865 Constitution allowed for a 2:1 ratio.

Then, here comes the Constitution of 1868, where the entire "Articles of Banking and Corporations" were entirely stricken from the Constitution, nowhere to be found.


The reason I bring all this up is that I'm wondering if all the states' constitutions were changed accordingly in this same time frame. I realize that the states that seceded are a little different than those that didn't but I'm wondering if similar changes were made throughout the land? Thus, the GE's wanting to revert to each Republics Constitutions in effect before the civil war?

To those of you so inclined, I would ask you to research your state constitutions and see if you can find similar glaring changes to them in this time frame. Since I'm from Kentucky and being familiar with its history, I'm gonna do a little digging and see what I find. I'll get back with yaw'll on that.

[Libertytree]

Beef, I'm intrigued by your 70 year theory but by rights that debt should have been paid long ago, no? It's interesting as hell that there's a 70 year cycle and it seems that somewhere I read about a cycle of 65 or 70 years that culminated in social upheavel..of course at the behest of TPTB.

For lack of more time and brain power I think I'll have to focus on the here and now, excluding constitutional research that seems to be germane to our present condition.

[beefsteak]

LT,

I've been kicking that "not paid off, YET????" thought process in my mind as well. And, I'm not making much headway in learning just where to go for the answer to that one.

1791 Ratified Constitution FOR the United States
1861 Lincoln decides to invade the South
1931 Good Old groundwork laid for Bringing in Federal Reserve "officially"
2001 Due date less than 24hrs before 9/11 tragedy in every sense of the word.

1791 Collateral: The physical land mass comprising "The North"
1861 Collateral: Adding the physical land mass comprising the Seized South
1931 Collateral: US Birth Certificate Strawman Corporation account, signifying ownership of our person as well as our future productivity from the moment of live birth
2001 Collateral: Our progeny's (through wanton spending and profligate debt expansion now obligating our future unborn in conjunction with forfeiting our sovereignty as protected by US Military?

Should be an interesting week as R.A.P. starts making the announcements many have indicated "are coming."

Well, show me/us, that's what I'm saying.

beefsteak

[Libertytree]

Proving that the debt to France has or hasn't been paid off is probably almost impossible, though I haven't delved that far, yet?

I think/know ALL of this has much deeper ties than just a war debt.

This week is hopefully very interesting but I don't think we should rest all of our hopes on this week alone, things may be moving slower than anticipated(?)

We shall see.

[beefsteak]

LT or Cebu_4_2, or other posters,

Just a reminder for any interested, Kennedy's Take No Prisoners RBN show is on the web/air tonight. Remains to be seen if he is a no show again this Sunday evening.

8PM-10 EDT, adjust to your time zone. He broadcasts on CDT zone.

[Cebu_4_2]

Beef,

You better believe I will be tuning in for this tonight. Two weeks without a peep is just too much for me to contain. I was listening to a couple other shows and they both were mentioning the RAP but none had newer details.

[Libertytree]

According to a post I just read on AGJ Sam will be broadcasting tonight.

[beefsteak]

LT,
thanks. I am just not quite accustomed to AGJ forum checking yet. Thanks for reminding me about that site.

[Cebu_4_2]

AGJ = ?

[Libertytree]

American Grand Jury

[Cebu_4_2]

It was refreshing indeed, seems TPTB are targeting the people signing up for this. It is good in an educated way but wow, this seems to have slowed down a bit.

Anyone elses observances on this weeks session?

I still hold what Beef criticized me of regarding that even the elders have not much substance of the big picture going on. They say are releasing NO new info to anyone. Very disheartening to say the least, perhaps getting over some legal hurdles I guess. Too late for me to think now.

[beefsteak]

Proving that the debt to France has or hasn't been paid off is probably almost impossible, though I haven't delved that far, yet?

I think/know ALL of this has much deeper ties than just a war debt.

This week is hopefully very interesting but I don't think we should rest all of our hopes on this week alone, things may be moving slower than anticipated(?)

We shall see.


LT,
The more I listen, the more I'm hearing. The more I'm hearing, the more I'm researching. The more I'm researching, the more I see this R.A.P. is well thought out, well-planned and being methodically and deliberately executed. On multiple fronts.

One thing I'm understanding more clearly is this: those who are sovereign upon the land, they are the ones with the creativity. By that, I mean, the sovereigns upon the land have clear and simple, non-complicated tenants upon which to base their actions, be they defensive or offensive.

One such "simple" tenant underlying all this R.A.P. sovereignty based behavior is the defensible, and common sense tenant: in order for there to be injury, there must be a person who is harmed. Not a state, a person! Not a corporation, a person. Not an injured bush/tree in south Florida run into by a famous golfer, but a person who is injured.

The matter then boils down to claim, witnesses, confession, or lacking that, a grand jury determining without an admission, that injury occurred and who caused it.

Then the creative part kicks in: REMEDY, and constructing and enforcing remedy.

Man, I have to admit, LT, this is a whole lot simpler than being tied in knots by all the rules, statutes, ordinances, etc., that make it illegal to even step on growing grass or fishing in a clear stream.

I like this common law upon the land stuff.

You?

[Libertytree]

Beef,

I think you stated this very well..."the sovereigns upon the land have clear and simple, non-complicated tenants upon which to base their actions, be they defensive or offensive."

I've always held that the legalese, jargon and convoluted rules were instituted to pervert and cloud the common law which should be plain and obvious to everyone. The De Facto government has built a complex maze with so many rules/laws that it's plainly apparent they never wanted the common man to be able to traverse it. To add further injury, when the Constitution was undermined and replaced by the corporate state we were unwittingly compelled to operate under those de facto laws, effectively allowing us to put the noose around our own necks.

That's one thing I got from last night, keep it simple and do not try and argue points based on de facto law, you will lose and quickly. Keeping it simple within the bounds of common law is the remedy. Did you gather the same conclusion?

I have a lot of self educating to do, as I have every intent to throw off the corporate persona I was dubiously shackled with.

Cebu,

While I certainly would love to see more/all of the info I do see the need for stealth right now. Remember we're not even 30 days into this and there's a lot of education of the jurors going on. We've been held in corporate bondage for well over 100 years and to think we will find freedom again in just a matter of a few days is an unrealistic expectation.

I did sign up to be a Grand Juror and I hope I'm called upon to be of service to my country and countrymen.

[mick silver]

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