Portable Solvent Extraction Plant

[crazychicken]

Pictures of our newest portable solvent extraction plant.

99 fine sponge gold produced with a maximum 140 f.

CC

[crazychicken]

The first picture is the recovery side tanks

The second picture is a 100 gallon tank. The material in it is 99 fine sponge gold.

CC

[crazychicken]

The first picture is the filter recovery

The second picture is 37 ounces of sponge gold 99 fine

CC

[crazychicken]

The first picture is micro-fine 99 fine gold floating on an aqueous solution

The second picture is disolved 99 fine elements to show ion specific colors of the identified metals.

CC

[JohnQPublic]

Interesting crazychicken. Do you recycle precious metals for a living?

[crazychicken]

We are in the mining business.

A property-patented-that is an extinct volcano cone in Nevada.

We manufacture gold recovery equipment with customers in 19 separate countrys.

Recycle e-scrap and cat converters.

Have no problem trying to help members who have questions.

CC

Oh, and thank you for upping the attachment size.

Glad to be here!

CC

[crazychicken]

Pictures of our newest portable solvent extraction plant.

99 fine sponge gold produced with a maximum 140 f.

CC


Could you please explain what "maximum 140 f" is?

So, am I understanding it correctly that a truck like that could be used to extract gold from the ore?


Maximum temperature used is one hundred and forty degrees farenheit.

The ground ore or concentrates is deposited into on of the four digesting tanks. A digesting media/liquid is added and the metals in the ore or concentrates are digested, meaning dissolved to ionic form. The ions are then selectively extracted and recovered as a metal. In golds case as "sponge", meaning very fine particules. When dried the sponge could easily be called "dust".

CC

[crazychicken]

That's AWESOME, CrazyChicken! What part of Nevada are you located in? I could probably make it out there to visit some day... if you ever allow guests to check out your operations!


North of Reno 150 Miles.

You come out you will get the cook's tour. I have several metal detectors. You can use them. We only use them once in a while to check screen piles. You find something you can keep it. We have a pretty good deposit.

Our ranching operation is 132 miles from there. I'll show you terrain that you won't believe. Eighty-two sqaure miles, 53,000 acres. Petrified wood, at least five varieties.

Do come!
CC

[beefsteak]

Thank you CC for posting those photos again ;D

I admired your sharing the first time, and still think you are pretty cool to continue to share now.

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

Thank you CC for posting those photos again ;D


It was one of those "things I meant to bookmark and study later" posts. I never got back to it. Certainly didn't conceive GIM was going down the tubes so ingloriously.

Did you see my message on GIM-I where I was trying to track down your pix clear up to the last minute??

I admired your sharing the first time, and still think you are pretty cool to continue to share now.


beefsteak The last five hours at the implosion site I sent PMs, and even posted my email in thread to try to get the info to you. Guess it didn't work but I'm glad you found it now.

CC

[beefsteak]

Cool. Thanks for the extra effort CC!

;D

[beefsteak]

CC,
it is my understanding that HNO3 begins to dissipate at 135F. Is the fact that your vessels are lidded mean you are able to work at the 140F temp you speak of?

How do you regulate temp in your vats? Some type of water jacket inside those black bases?

Is this an acid method you are using? I'd think the trailer would be all rusty like if you were using an acidic reaction.

If not, what leachant are you using? xCN?

Thanks!!! Finally remembered some of my questions.

beefsteak

[Gaillo]

That's AWESOME, CrazyChicken! What part of Nevada are you located in? I could probably make it out there to visit some day... if you ever allow guests to check out your operations!


North of Reno 150 Miles.

You come out you will get the cook's tour. I have several metal detectors. You can use them. We only use them once in a while to check screen piles. You find something you can keep it. We have a pretty good deposit.

Our ranching operation is 132 miles from there. I'll show you terrain that you won't believe. Eighty-two sqaure miles, 53,000 acres. Petrified wood, at least five varieties.

Do come!
CC



CC, I'd LOVE to! I only make it to Reno area about once every 2-3 years, but I'll DEFINITELY look you up next time I'm in the area! Very appreciative of the invite, BTW.

[crazychicken]

CC,
it is my understanding that HNO3 begins to dissipate at 135F. The temperature on the digestion side is 100 f. The recovery side is 140 f. Is the fact that your vessels are lidded mean you are able to work at the 140F temp you speak of? The lids are to control evaporation

How do you regulate temp in your vats? Some type of water jacket inside those black bases? Immersion heaters. Somewhat like fishtank heaters.

Is this an acid method you are using? I'd think the trailer would be all rusty like if you were using an acidic reaction.

If not, what leachant are you using? xCN? It is acid but obviously it is quite under control. The inside of the trailer not being a mass of rust is testimony to that. We manufacture the leach.

Thanks!!! Finally remembered some of my questions.

beefsteak


CC

[beefsteak]

Hi, CC,

I've been poking around your website. It states your leachant is a powerful -1pH formulation. :o And you state on your website that you have quantities available for retail purchase.

I saw no discussion re: how to treat the leachant post stripping of resin. Leachants eventually become saturated with unwanted complex compounds over time, even with removal of targeted values. Is it your position that your leachant waste if infinitely minisible in H2O?

Would you mind illuminating the forum as to what CDE waste leachant treatment protocol is?

Thanks!! It's kind of important!

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

The liquid, or leach, will hold a certain amount of metals before it becomes saturated. Approx 26 grams of metal ions to the liter. If the preg solution has say 2 grams of gold and the rest of the ions are unwanted metals--iron, copper, whatever, then when you strip the gold there is only that very limited "space" left in the leach for "reuse".

So now disposal becomes an issue. In the desert, or dry climates evapotransporation becomes the method of chioce. The sun, heat, dry removes the water--the leach is aqueous-based, The remaining salts-solids-are disposed of according to regulation.

In other climates the material-liquids-are neutrilized with lime and disposed of according to regulation.

CC

[beefsteak]

CC,

Thank you for your reply. I have a follow-up response. And I look forward to another reply from you.

When anyone dissolves/leaches any copper, nickel, etc in your CDE acidic formulation, they have heavy metal hazardous waste/residue. It is very illegal to dump it anywhere - down the drain, on the ground, etc. I see that you aren't making any statements about dumping anything. That is good.

When you speak to evapotransporation being your reduction method of choice, that is perfectly logical. You are reducing volume significantly through that protocol.

However,
you are still dealing with significant post evapotrans volume of residue, due to the physics of saturated solutions.

For example, a rule of thumb I've been taught by a generally acknowledged consultant, goes roughly like this: one is working with at least a gallon of (acidic) solution for each pound of metal dissolved.

Those are pretty large reaction vessels, (tanks) in your semi-trailer. I concluded from viewing the size of tanks in your posted photographs, you are dealing with significant volumes of hazardous, solid wastes, by your own admission, combined with calcium carbonate.

Again that is just a rule of thumb I've been taught.

When anyone neutralizes the PH with, say, sodium hydroxide or calcium carbonate, aka lime as you state Rocky Ledge Mining is doing, all you are doing is killing the acid. The complexed copper, nickel, antimony, iron, etc., will precipitate as hydroxides--in RLM's case, as carbonates.

Iin the eyes of the EPA, these metal hydroxides or carbonates, aka SALTS as you call them , are just as hazardous as if they were still in solution. The only way to make them non-hazardous, in the eyes of the EPA, is to convert them to metal.

When ANYONE neutralizes acidic solutions containing dissolved metals, with baking soda, soda ash, lime, lye, etc., the metals NEVER drop out as metals. They drop out as metallic compounds: copper carbonate, copper hydroxide, and so forth. These compounds are soluble in weak acids at a pH of, say, 3 or 4.

Although the EPA has many ways to test, one method uses bottles that are empty except for a small amount of nitric acid. The bottle is filled with post evap sludge. and the nitric lowers the pH of the contents to about 3. The resulting solution is tested for copper, nickel, etc.

If any is detected at a certain level (often around 1 ppm), the sludge is considered hazardous waste. Most all of these toxic metallic carbonates, hydroxides, et al, will easily dissolve at a pH of 2 or 3. The reason they are considered hazardous is that they will dissolve in slightly acidic ground water and streams.

The reason I persist in my effort to gain clarity re: your CDE waste treatment protocol is this: copper and nickel, etc., are very toxic in solution form or in the form of hydroxides, carbonates, aka salts..

Hydroxides and carbonates are NOT reducing agents, thus not reducing ions to metal.

One example if I may.
To precipitate 100% of the copper (as copper carbonate, hydroxide, etc.) the pH must be at least 9. Calcium Carbonate only has a pH a little above 8. To precipitate 100% of the copper (as copper carbonate, hydroxide, etc.) the pH must be at least 9.

So, CC, please share the details which you've summarized as "according to regulation." Exactly what are you doing with saturated CDE waste solution residues POST evapotrans?

I'm truly looking forward to your continued candor. And no, I'm NOT a bleeding heart greenie. I'm very much pro-mining. I need more specifics your residue disposal.




The liquid, or leach, will hold a certain amount of metals before it becomes saturated. Approx 26 grams of metal ions to the liter. If the preg solution has say 2 grams of gold and the rest of the ions are unwanted metals--iron, copper, whatever, then when you strip the gold there is only that very limited "space" left in the leach for "reuse".

So now disposal becomes an issue. In the desert, or dry climates evapotransporation becomes the method of chioce. The sun, heat, dry removes the water--the leach is aqueous-based, The remaining salts-solids-are disposed of according to regulation.

In other climates the material-liquids-are neutrilized with lime and disposed of according to regulation.

CC

emphasis mine. beefsteak

[crazychicken]

CC,

Thank you for your reply. I have a follow-up response. And I look forward to another reply from you.

When anyone dissolves/leaches any copper, nickel, etc in your CDE acidic formulation, they have heavy metal hazardous waste. It is very illegal to dump it anywhere - down the drain, on the ground, etc. I see that you aren't making any statements about dumping anything. That is good.

When you speak to evapotransporation being your reduction method of choice, that is perfectly logical. You are reducing volume significantly through that protocol.

However,
you are still dealing with post evapotrans volume of residue, due to the physics of saturated solutions. For example, a rule of thumb I've been taught goes roughly like this: one is working with at least a gallon of solution for each pound of metal dissolved. Those are pretty large reaction vessels, (tanks) in your semi-trailer. I extrapolated from size of tanks a rough estimate of the volumes of hazardous waste with which you are dealing.

Again that is just a rule of thumb I've been taught.

When anyone neutralizes the pH with, say, sodium hydroxide or calcium carbonate, aka lime as you state Rocky Ledge Mining is doing, all you are doing is killing the acid. The complexed copper, nickel, antimony, iron, etc., will precipitate as hydroxides--in your case, as carbonates.

Iin the eyes of the EPA, these metal hydroxides or carbonates, aka SALTS, are just as hazardous as if they were still in solution. The only way to make them non-hazardous, in the eyes of the EPA, is to convert them to metal.

When ANYONE neutralizes acidic solutions containing dissolved metals, with baking soda, soda ash, lime, lye, etc., the metals NEVER drop out as metals. They drop out as metallic compounds: copper carbonate, copper hydroxide, and so forth. These compounds are soluble in weak acids at a pH of, say, 3 or 4.

Although the EPA has many ways to test, one method uses bottles that are empty except for a small amount of nitric acid. The bottle is filled with post evap sludge. and the nitric lowers the pH of the contents to about 3. The resulting solution is tested for copper, nickel, etc.

If any is detected at a certain level (often around 1 ppm), the sludge is considered hazardous waste. Most all of these toxic metallic carbonates, hydroxides, et al, will easily dissolve at a pH of 2 or 3. The reason they are considered hazardous is that they will dissolve in slightly acidic ground water and streams.

The reason I persist in my effort to gain clarity re: your CDE waste treatment protocol is this: copper and nickel, etc., are very toxic in solution form or in the form of hydroxides, carbonates, aka salts..

Hydroxides and carbonates are NOT reducing agents, thus not reducing ions to metal.

One example if I may.
To precipitate 100% of the copper (as copper carbonate, hydroxide, etc.) the pH must be at least 9. Calcium Carbonate only has a pH a little above 8. To precipitate 100% of the copper (as copper carbonate, hydroxide, etc.) the pH must be at least 9.

So, CC, please share the details which you've summarized as "according to regulation." Exactly what are you doing with saturated CDE waste solution residues POST evapotrans?

I'm truly looking forward to your continued candor. And no, I'm NOT a bleeding heart greenie. I'm very much pro-mining. I need more specifics your residue disposal.

beefsteak


I'm not exactly sure were we are going with this BUT any residue, liquid or solid, including nuclear waste, can be disposed of properly by adhering to existing regulations. That depends on where you are. For instance, in Poland, I got paid to land apply my wastes as soil amendment. In the USA by disposal in a hazardous waste landfill.

It is ALWAYS a matter of complying with regulatory protocol. As you are aware metals, all metals, can be removed by ion exchange. The ion exchange methodology and the resins to accomplish this have been driven by the US EPA. Think 1 ppb for Hg.

Proper disposal as per regulation is simply a cost of doing business. Not implication--realty.


CC

[beefsteak]

CC,

Thanks again for your candor.

I totally agree. Waste Treatment IS a cost of doing business. So is mitigation of disturbed surfaces when mining, also a biggie, post process.

Our particular group did a cost analysis study for a now retired state senator in one of the mining states re: the cost of xCN waste solutions. At that time, the cost analysis revealed in the neighborhood of $5 pto (Au) for performing logical and proper mitigations

Where we're going with this? Well, for starters, I wanted to know before me and my mining associates dropped our anonymity and contacted RLM to investigate and construct cost v benefits analysis, what we were most likely to hear re: disposal protocols. This opportunity to assess in a public forum while still protecting ourselves is proving valuable. Again, my/our thanks.

As you earlier stated, RLM is promulgating converting non-selective resin process residues in metallic salt compounds form.

Our question arises from trying to ascertain in advance, whether we were going to learn of additional costs (re: reduction of post evapotrans) dealing with whether or not we are going to also learn of metallic reduction of waste in the traditional electromotive cementation protocols, as part of your waste treatment presentation when we do contact you.

Therefore, it would appear from the exchange so far, CC, you have predetermined it is more cost effective to use legal H.W. landfills than to perform metallic reductions, store solid metals so recovered and selling them, achieving what we call "copper/nickel/zinc/antimony et al "credits." Application of said credits improves primary metal recovery profits.

Do you have a pre-determined flex point at which RLM recommends metallic reduction of secondary metallic values in this decade of rising base metals prices, thanks to China's ambitious infrastructure build out?

Would you mind sharing what GENERAL price per metric ton RLMs flex point is for say copper and nickel from your CDE leachant residues?

THANKS!

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

CC,

Thanks again for your candor.

I totally agree. Waste Treatment IS a cost of doing business. So is mitigation of disturbed surfaces when mining, also a biggie, post process.

Our particular group did a cost analysis study for a now retired state senator in one of the mining states re: the cost of xCN waste solutions. At that time, the cost analysis revealed in the neighborhood of $5 pto (Au) for performing logical and proper mitigations

Where we're going with this? Well, for starters, I wanted to know before me and my mining associates dropped our anonymity and contacted RLM to investigate and construct cost v benefits analysis, what we were most likely to hear re: disposal protocols. This opportunity to assess in a public forum while still protecting ourselves is proving valuable. Again, my/our thanks.

As you earlier stated, RLM is promulgating converting non-selective resin process residues in metallic salt compounds form.

Our question arises from trying to ascertain in advance, whether we were going to learn of additional costs (re: reduction of post evapotrans) dealing with whether or not we are going to also learn of metallic reduction of waste in the traditional electromotive cementation protocols, as part of your waste treatment presentation when we do contact you.

Therefore, it would appear from the exchange so far, CC, you have predetermined it is more cost effective to use legal H.W. landfills than to perform metallic reductions, store solid metals so recovered and selling them, achieving what we call "copper/nickel/zinc/antimony et al "credits." Application of said credits improves primary metal recovery profits.

Do you have a pre-determined flex point at which RLM recommends metallic reduction of secondary metallic values in this decade of rising base metals prices, thanks to China's ambitious infrastructure build out?

Would you mind sharing what GENERAL price per metric ton RLMs flex point is for say copper and nickel from your CDE leachant residues?

THANKS!

beefsteak


I answered the question of disposal. I have not touched on the collection /concentrating of residual metals values other than briefly mentioning ion exchage. I will tell you that cementing is one way, there are others that are more cost-effective in the long run. Because CONCENTRATING those metals is almost the same as getting the oink out of the pig at the slaughter house. Cost of storage, shipping, and handling enters into the picture.

FWIW, recovering Au is a very small part of our business.

CC

[beefsteak]

Thanks again, CC.

Yes, you indeed did cover disposal. And quite satisfactorily. If that didn't come through in my response, I apologize. Please hear my sincere thank you! That's not an empty platitude, it is genuinely offered.

I apologize for making the assumption--based upon the photos above--and then visiting your website, that gold throughput was your primary objective, and ancillary to it was your mining eqpt design, and sales of CDE leachant. I take it from this response, I drew some inaccurate conclusions.

As far as I'm concerned, this has been a fantastic exchange, and you are to be congratulated again for your candor and direct response to my seeking for you before GIM1 closed shop.

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

Beefsteak

I have enjoyed our exchange.

Regards,
CC

[crazychicken]

My email has changed.

The rockyledgemining@hotmail.com has been changed to

preciousmetalsolutions@hotmail.com

Please visit www.preciousmetalsolutions.com for current events

Please post here at GSUS for any questions regarding metals processing that I may be able to help with.

Thank you,

CC

[Errosion Of Accord]

You have my curiosity. For the longest time I thought you were over in the Carlin Trend area and that trucking was your main business. I'm now wondering how rich the ore must be for this process to work? What is the throughput of your "mill"?

[beefsteak]

Did "they let you" keep your cool, hidden semi unit, CrazyChicken?

beefsteak

[crazychicken]

The only class 8 trucks we have are the ones to haul our equipment, mostly cranes, and most in the North East. Definately do not do the trucking for hire business. Our ranch operation has an extension of the Carlin Trend running through it. A large fault line quite visable on Google Earth. Have not drilled it but it may happen someday.

The key to successful metals mining is concentration. We like to see concentrates in the $750 a ton range minimum before we consider them viable. Most bearing ores can concentrate to a much higher $$$ than that. Every ore is different.

Since the major point of our Solvent Extraction Methodology is we recove all of the microfine gold also. Gives us a serious advantage bottom line wise.

Thanks for the inquiry.

CC




You have my curiosity. For the longest time I thought you were over in the Carlin Trend area and that trucking was your main business. I'm now wondering how rich the ore must be for this process to work? What is the throughput of your "mill"?

[crazychicken]

Yes I still have it.

My Individual retirement account.

How is everything with you and yours?

CC




Did "they let you" keep your cool, hidden semi unit, CrazyChicken?

beefsteak

[Oro]

Howdy...just joining this forum. I viewed the entire thread. Very interesting. Any chance of reposting the photos for the Solvent Extraction Plant? Thanks in advance to CC.