Ohhhh Ahhhh Ohhhh! Palladium!

[chad]

Does anybody think that Palladium could become a Monetary metal ?

For a non-monetary metal, it's done fantastic.


I asked a local coin dealer about buying Platinum. But he wouldn't talk about spread, said he had to look into it.

Maybe I'll ask one of the good dealers about Palladium. How much they would buy it for.

2 local dealers here won't touch palladium, that's why i'm getting out. what happens if some event happens, and the option to do it through mail and the internet goes away? then i'm stuck with it, and NOBODY outside of places like this have any inkling what it is. i'm selling all of it at $900 and buying gold with it.

[Dogman]

2 local dealers here won't touch palladium, that's why i'm getting out. what happens if some event happens, and the option to do it through mail and the internet goes away? then i'm stuck with it, and NOBODY outside of places like this have any inkling what it is. i'm selling all of it at $900 and buying gold with it.

The ones here would only pay less than spot, forget how much, had to go to Dallas for spot at the time, way too much hassle, so bailed.

[Neuro]

2 local dealers here won't touch palladium, that's why i'm getting out. what happens if some event happens, and the option to do it through mail and the internet goes away? then i'm stuck with it, and NOBODY outside of places like this have any inkling what it is. i'm selling all of it at $900 and buying gold with it.
Keep an ounce or two for the fantastic, if it ever happens. I bought 1.5 oz at $240, sometimes I felt like selling it, and make a profit on it, but it is nice to have some of it that one day may make a small fortune! Gold will probably keep its purchasing power +100/-50%, silver +300/-75%, Pt +1,000/-90%, Pd +10,000/-98%. Pd is just a fun play, and all of it is extraterrestrial!

[JohnQPublic]

I think this is what is bubbling beneath the surface:

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?80722-Why-Metals-are-Diverging

[JohnQPublic]

Low oil prices good for PGMs (http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/content/en/mineweb-platinum-group-metals?oid=261114&sn=Detail)
"...when oil prices drop heavily on ample supply and strengthening consumer demand ... car demand tends to surge."

"Maybe cheap oil does not portend a major rally in PGM prices. At current spot, many analysts had seen fairness in palladium before oil prices dropped. Some, but not all, view $900/oz as reasonable in the year or so to come..."

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium:silver ratio

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7072&stc=1

[JohnQPublic]

Gold : Pd Ratio

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7073&stc=1

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium : Oil (WTC)

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7074&stc=1

[PatColo]

SWC $13.65 high today (+78 cents, +6%), real time quote (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/SWC). Volume looks on track to be (only) "average" though, which is ~2MM shares/day. Volume says "market conviction." A rally above $14 on 3+ MM shares traded would say the bottom's behind us (pun there somewhere...:rolleyes:).

Insiders been buying (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/SWC/insideractions), incl a director who bought 3K shares in Aug at 17.99, and 2K more shares Mon 12/1 at 13.51. :)


2MM shares traded on Tue, and 3MM yesterday, or +50% of average daily.... on a price move > $14. Up another ~50 cents today, on what looks like another big volume day. :)

[PatColo]

HUI down between 1-3% all day (http://bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=hui&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=6), even gapped lower @ the open; meanwhile SWC 13.85, +.36, +2.67% (http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/SWC) :D Not to mention, Pd up all day, contrary to the other PMs all down 1+ % I'm telling yous losers, something's percolating below the radar somewhere. ^ similar tale today (HUI up though), even with Pd down $5 now, SWC surging 7.X% higher, just touched $15/share, on higher than average volume. No SWC news stories. :) http://bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=swc&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=6 real time: http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/SWC http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=swc&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=13844&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=6&rand=2034211798&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[JohnQPublic]

Gold to average $1,145/oz in 2015, platinum the favoured trade – Natixis (http://www.bulliondesk.com/gold-news/focus-gold-to-average-1-145oz-2015-platinum-favoured-trade-natixis-87032/)


"Natixis predicted that silver, currently trading around $16, will average $15.30 per ounce in 2015, while palladium, currently at $790, will average $770..."


(http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/market_reports/75367/gold-silver-precious-metals-market-wrap)Palladium predicted to rise, gold holds steady (http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/market_reports/75367/gold-silver-precious-metals-market-wrap)
"By the fourth quarter of 2015 the price should climb back to a high of US$912 per ounce."

[JohnQPublic]

Gold to average $1,145/oz in 2015, platinum the favoured trade – Natixis (http://www.bulliondesk.com/gold-news/focus-gold-to-average-1-145oz-2015-platinum-favoured-trade-natixis-87032/)


"Natixis predicted that silver, currently trading around $16, will average $15.30 per ounce in 2015, while palladium, currently at $790, will average $770..."


(http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/market_reports/75367/gold-silver-precious-metals-market-wrap)Palladium predicted to rise, gold holds steady (http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/market_reports/75367/gold-silver-precious-metals-market-wrap)


"By the fourth quarter of 2015 the price should climb back to a high of US$912 per ounce."

Well, at this point, Natixis seems to have the better prediction.

[JohnQPublic]

Back over $800. Palladium just does not give it up!

[gunDriller]

Back over $800. Palladium just does not give it up!

does this mean they're selling cars ?

thought that might be a primary application.

[JohnQPublic]

does this mean they're selling cars ?

thought that might be a primary application.

Something is happening. Maybe cheaper gas (but now increasing) has people thinking that they will sell more cars? Maybe something is happening behind the scene with cold fusion.

[gunDriller]

Something is happening. Maybe cheaper gas (but now increasing) has people thinking that they will sell more cars? Maybe something is happening behind the scene with cold fusion.

actually, 2014 was a good year for car sales.

[PatColo]

SWC has been making a charge at it's $15-some-odd resistance, strong volume :)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=swc&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=8
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=swc&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=13844&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1668205121&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium is not looking as good as it was.



http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaellingenheld/2015/06/23/chinas-driving-palladium/

"weak the Chinese auto market combined with a stronger US dollar have driven palladium to its lowest level in over a year. Sentiment is extremely negative and the chart is testing its 200-week moving average. ETF holdings, which have a big impact on this metal, are down more than 100,000 ounces year-to-date, but are still historically high. With that being said, there are plenty of reasons to be bullish. The market was in deficit last year and it’s projected to stay there until at least 2017. Norilsk recently announced plans (http://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/Is-This-2-Billion-Buy-A-Sign-Of-Opportunity-In-Palladium.html) to establish a $2 billion fund specifically for buying physical palladium. Billionaire CEO Vladamir Potanin is participating with his private wealth, and fellow oligarch Roman Abramovich may also contribute. This is the definition of insider buying, and clearly indicates they believe prices will keep rising for the foreseeable future."

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium is still dumping. I take this as a sign (along with cheap silver and stable gold) that people are predicting a bad economy coming up (or it is just manipulation), low car sales, fewer cell phones and solar panels, etc.

[gunDriller]

http://www.outsiderclub.com/the-palladium-bull-cometh-platinum-and-palladium-demand-to-soar-in-2015/1409

interesting article about see-saw-ing demand, related to auto industry consumption, between Pt & Pd.


i tried to do a search to see how much catalytic converters account for Pd consumption, as a percentage.

Pd certainly is tempting ... price near cost of production, which is $563 for one of the "Big's" ... BUT it is vulnerable to a disruptive technology in the auto industry (alternative for catalytic converters, or discontinuation of catalytic converters.)

they might be able to make it up (my guess is, a lot of power plants would benefit from catalytic converter type emissions devices on their smoke-stacks) ... but i don't expect widespread adoption of that.

[Neuro]

What happened? A sudden, and welcome jump (in this gloomy PM market), of Pd around $40 today...

[Neuro]

Start ignition? $24 up today to $675? I read somewhere Pd is an important metal in ammunition manufacturing. Could this be it?

[JohnQPublic]

Start ignition? $24 up today to $675? I read somewhere Pd is an important metal in ammunition manufacturing. Could this be it?


$702...

[chud]

I know the miners in general are in the doghouse right now, but do y'all buy any Palladium mining stocks?
Such as: SWC, PLG, IVPAF, etc?

Or strictly physical...?

[Neuro]

Start ignition? $24 up today to $675? I read somewhere Pd is an important metal in ammunition manufacturing. Could this be it?
That went well as usual! Down $150 since then!

[gunDriller]

Start ignition? $24 up today to $675? I read somewhere Pd is an important metal in ammunition manufacturing. Could this be it?

Sure would like more info !

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&q=palladium+ammunition+manufacturing

Tried a websearch, all I found was a gun shop in Utah, "Palladium Arms" or something.
I could see if it was a catalyst used in primer or gunpowder manufacture (maybe ?).
But had never heard of that industrial use for Pd.

Sometimes I am tempted to buy some Pd ... but I perceive that it is largely dependent on industrial demand. It seems like one of the primary uses, catalytic converters, depends on auto sales in countries that have auto exhaust restrictions. Which is sort of an artificial market - in the US, it depends on low interest rates to keep the record sales numbers going.

I know their is also a relation to diesel. Pt or Pd, one is used more for diesel cat converters. Forget which.

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium $490! Does not bode well for what people think of the auto market in the near term (or did cold fusion just fail?).

[JohnQPublic]

The official explanation:

Palladium plummets on China concerns/equities; more weakness likely - See more at: http://www.bulliondesk.com/palladium-news/focus-palladium-plummets-china-concernsequities-more-weakness-likely-106973/#sthash.mUouXuuD.dpuf

[osoab]

I figured palladium's drop was just another screw to Russia. It has been monkey hammered.

[Bull Bear]

I figured palladium's drop was just another screw to Russia. It has been monkey hammered.

Palladium dropped and will drop even further. The reason is that global car catalytic converter market is falling, despite forecasted car sales growth. I expect significant drop by 2019-2020. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3978958-palladium-bottom-yet

[Glass]

Lithium is the market. Electric cars don't need Cat Converters. Hybrids might but at the moment electric seems to have the momentum due to government welfare/subsidies.

[Neuro]

Palladium dropped and will drop even further. The reason is that global car catalytic converter market is falling, despite forecasted car sales growth. I expect significant drop by 2019-2020. http://seekingalpha.com/article/3978958-palladium-bottom-yet

You need an app, to get to that article, to get the app, you need to give your e-mail address, and at least 5 favorite shares of your portfolio, and probably more, I stopped and deleted the app after that. Is there any way you could share your information on this forum, without demanding we give up private information?

[PatColo]

Neuro, your post prompted me to open the ...alpha link coz I've recently been limited to a mobile. I see what u mean re the gateway to their insisting you install their "free app", with its self purported 11K+ reviews averaging 4.5 stars.

In my short few short weeks with dinjoogle's android spy OS I'm already leery of all the "free apps"; which demand "permission/access" to a bunch of ur phone's private functions/files which the FREE!!:D app's advertised function merits it no biz accessing. :(

One app I tried did its advertised function ok but the "unadvertised extra" was, every few screen changes it threw up a full screen consuming ad... presumably for something its growing spy dossier on my profile suggested i'd like... who knows; my eyes juzt zipped over its product payload as fast as it took to to find where they hid the way-undersized X-out button this time. Yes they actually MOVED which corner where they hid the tiny 1x1-pixel X-out button, from annoying ad disruption to disruption. And once you find its latest hiding-pixel, don't accidentally fat-finger your attempt to X it out & instead tap its neighboring pixel, or else away your browser would go loading their spamvertised page!

What bull; needless to say that "FREE app!" with its impressive positive reviews (guessing astroturfed...) made a fast bee line to the bit bucket.

So I view ...alpha's coerced spy app installation "biz model" as sleazy from the word GO; f'em.

What's their angle for windoz/mac ludites who try to gain that oh so coveted access to their writers' bloviations about which way the markets may or may not move?

[JohnQPublic]

Lithium is the market. Electric cars don't need Cat Converters. Hybrids might but at the moment electric seems to have the momentum due to government welfare/subsidies.

I'm waiting to see the lithium bullion and coins... Umm..., keep them away from water.


https://youtu.be/8ypUVpwgcAA

[Neuro]

I'm waiting to see the lithium bullion and coins... Umm..., keep them away from water.


https://youtu.be/8ypUVpwgcAA

Probably a good idea to keep them away from air too! ;D

[Neuro]

Probably a good idea to keep them away from air too! ;D


http://youtu.be/BliWUHSOalU

[ximmy]

I bought these element cubes off Provident metals and my friend made me a stand for them.
I probably should have taken a picture of the stand. It's pretty cool.

8274

[Glass]

yes I don't think lithium is something you want to hold, but in the rarer minerals sector it's a hot investment proposition right now, compared to platinum.... according to the stuff being promoted in the news down here at the moment.

[JohnQPublic]

http://youtu.be/BliWUHSOalU

I do not like the way he was using metal pliers so close to the positive and negative terminals. I would think it would be safer to hold the pliers vertically downwards (with the battery held vertically upwards, cap on top) and try to grab the cap.

[Neuro]

Stealthily it is creeping up...
http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd1825nyb.gif

[osoab]

Up 5% today.


http://www.finviz.com/fut_chart.ashx?t=PA&cot=075651&p=d1&rev=636205330972313375

[osoab]

So why did Pd shit the bead earlier this week?

[Neuro]

So why did Pd shit the bead earlier this week?

It looks like it hit the top of its channel and now it hit the bottom of the same. Maybe just a technical correction, it may have nothing to do with Trump at all...

[osoab]

It looks like it hit the top of its channel and now it hit the bottom of the same. Maybe just a technical correction, it may have nothing to do with Trump at all...

Fucking algos. (shakes fist)

[Neuro]

+$27 today. Pd is about to overtake Pt! Now $874 vs $937

[PatColo]

little spike to $901 overnight (kitco's stated high), :|~


http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG

[PatColo]

Is this an all time high? I need to dig up an "all data" chart. Kitco's site is so loaded up with obnoxious little ad gadgets, yesterday a couple open kitco tabs caused my firefox to become unresponsive and needed to kill it in task manager! :( anyways, below charts are "live",


little spike to $901 overnight (kitco's stated high), :|~


http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG


edit- kitco's chart since 1992:

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd92-pres.gif

looks like a climactic spike to ~$1,100 around the top of Y2K.

anyone pay attention to what the backstory to that run was?

Here's Pd's cousin Pt, same time range,

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pt92-pres.gif


virtually no resemblance! dances to a different drummer!

[Neuro]

Nuclear war preps is apparently good for Pd!

[Neuro]

+$27 today. Pd is about to overtake Pt! Now $874 vs $937

Getting closer Pd $929 vs Pt $960 right now...

[PatColo]

Getting closer Pd $929 vs Pt $960 right now...

I guess I didn't comment on it that day, but right around ~2 weeks ago, IE near my last Sept 4 post above, Pt & Pt kissed... somewhat, right at the $1000 mark. Sort of a non-contact kiss though; Pd's intraday ask price briefly touched 1001 or 1002, and within a few hours either way (don't recall now), Pt's bid price touched down at ~1000.xx.

I'll declare, just for shiggles; Pt/Pd will have "officially changed guards", when the COMEX-close Pd bid price, exceeds the Pt ask price.:)*#*

[JohnQPublic]

Pd- nice $1005/ozt

[osoab]

Pd- nice $1005/ozt

Do you think Pd has permanently taken over Pt? Pd now about 100frns above Pt. Had been holding around 60frns above for at least a month before this latest carnage. How long before Au falls below Pd?

[JohnQPublic]

Do you think Pd has permanently taken over Pt? Pd now about 100frns above Pt. Had been holding around 60frns above for at least a month before this latest carnage. How long before Au falls below Pd?

They could re-reformulate back to Pt for catalysts. I think Pt is more efficient, but when cost is 2x, Pd is better. I am not sure what the exact break even point is. That may mean it is a good time to trade over or trade to silver (or $$). I need to think about this.

[JohnQPublic]

Here (https://www.researchgate.net/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals) is a good post:

Timothy I. Hyde (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy_Hyde2)
Johnson Matthey




Your question you ask may not be correct as modern catalysts are mostly bimetallics. Also In general we have to distinguish between diesel and gasoline engines.
The role of Pt in catalytic converters is to oxidise carbon monoxide (CO) and hydrocarbons. Pt is particularly effective at this under oxygen-excessive conditions, so is often the metal of choice for diesel applications. With development, modern Diesel oxidation catalysts are most often bimetallic Pt-Pd based.
For gasoline powered vehicles (where there is a balance between reductants and oxidants in the exhaust gas), Pt and Pd can be equally effective. The three-way catalyst used for gasoline powered vehicles must also be able to reduce NOx to nitrogen as well as oxidise CO and hydrocarbons – that is why Rh is generally used in addition to Pt or Pd.
Historically most gasoline engine catalyst formulations included Pt/Rh as the active component. While catalysts may be trimetallic (Pt/Pd/Rh), they are now mostly Pd/Rh in composition with this choice often made on the basis of relative cheaper cost of Pd over Pt.
I attach a couple of short articles from Platinum Metals Review which expand upon my answer.





162-pmr-jul07.pdf
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy_Hyde2/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals/attachment/59d63657c49f478072ea4290/AS:273672814694401@1442260091812/download/162-pmr-jul07.pdf)

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27-34-pmr-jan09.pdf
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Timothy_Hyde2/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals/attachment/59d63657c49f478072ea4291/AS:273672818888704@1442260094805/download/27-34-pmr-jan09.pdf)

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[JohnQPublic]

Another on the same thread:

3 years ago



Michael Paraskevas (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Paraskevas)
IMMG SA




The bimetallic catalyst is an urban legend! The Pt is in lower ratio due to its cost, but it will always exist. A lot of papers talk about a ratio Pd/Pt/Rh of 5/1/1, but recent finds have gone as far as 9/1/1. Have a look at some papers:





Analytical letters 2012.pdf
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Paraskevas/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals/attachment/59d61dd879197b807797abb6/AS:273674916040730@1442260594861/download/Analytical+letters+2012.pdf)

1.65 MB




moldovan determinationfumes.pdf
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Paraskevas/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals/attachment/59d61dd879197b807797abb7/AS:273674928623617@1442260596470/download/moldovan+determination+fumes.pdf)

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twigg.pdf
(https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michael_Paraskevas/post/Why_do_automotive_catalytic_converters_contain_thr ee_PGM_metals/attachment/59d61dd879197b807797abb8/AS:273674932817920@1442260597947/download/twigg.pdf)

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https://i1.rgstatic.net/ii/profile.image/277520663498757-1443177490269_Q64/Komateedi_Rao.jpg (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Komateedi_Rao)

[Horn]

Platinum is suffering from the advanced condition of Bitcoinitis circa 2033.

[PatColo]

intraday high/ask $1,110 today :D That would exceed the Y2K spike to, what appears to be ~$1,100



little spike to $901 overnight (kitco's stated high), :|~


http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG


Is this an all time high? I need to dig up an "all data" chart. Kitco's site is so loaded up with obnoxious little ad gadgets, yesterday a couple open kitco tabs caused my firefox to become unresponsive and needed to kill it in task manager! :( anyways, below charts are "live",




edit- kitco's chart since 1992:

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd92-pres.gif

looks like a climactic spike to ~$1,100 around the top of Y2K.

anyone pay attention to what the backstory to that run was?

Here's Pd's cousin Pt, same time range,

http://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pt92-pres.gif


virtually no resemblance! dances to a different drummer!

[TroyOz]

intraday high/ask $1,110 today :D That would exceed the Y2K spike to, what appears to be ~$1,100

I remember your story with NW Mint back at GIM - did you hold on to any of that PAL? If I remember correctly, it was under $200?

[PatColo]

I remember your story with NW Mint back at GIM - did you hold on to any of that PAL? If I remember correctly, it was under $200?


spot was $220 the July '04 day I bought; +$20 premium/delivered (finally! :rolleyes:), so paid $240. Spot did drop in the early months after my purchase; bounced off ~$180 IIRC. But yes, still holdin' :)

[TroyOz]

spot was $220 the July '04 day I bought; +$20 premium/delivered (finally! :rolleyes:), so paid $240. Spot did drop in the early months after my purchase; bounced off ~$180 IIRC. But yes, still holdin' :)

You win the internet for the day! That proves the saying (paraphrase) " Many can be right, but few can hold tight".

I had some dealings with NW and Ross a-hole, which is why I remembered your story.

[PatColo]

You win the internet for the day! That proves the saying (paraphrase) " Many can be right, but few can hold tight".

I had some dealings with NW and Ross a-hole, which is why I remembered your story.

I haven't had the energy or will to follow NWTM's saga; recall there was some talk of their relocating to NV for tax reasons; but did they go BK and/or Ross finally get busted for his shit, these recent few years?

[Neuro]

I bought around April 2008, at $250/oz, just had bottomed out at $200 a few months before, but my premium was around $30/ oz if I remember correctly. I guess at this point there is two options either it will be a cup and handle formation and in which case the handle will probably take several years (3-5 is my guess), before it reaches new heights or it will rocket on Now to maybe 3-5k, before running out of fuel. I’ll hold out for the crazy, with my 1.5 oz of Pd strip!

[TroyOz]

I haven't had the energy or will to follow NWTM's saga; recall there was some talk of their relocating to NV for tax reasons; but did they go BK and/or Ross finally get busted for his shit, these recent few years?

Same here, I've read a few things here and there about legal troubles and failure to deliver. After I finally got my goods (2003), I washed my hands of that company.

[osoab]

Same here, I've read a few things here and there about legal troubles and failure to deliver. After I finally got my goods (2003), I washed my hands of that company.

I was still getting emails through last month. I haven't checked for a while.

I bought some stuff in 2013 and 2014 and had no issues.

[Neuro]

I was still getting emails through last month. I haven't checked for a while.

I bought some stuff in 2013 and 2014 and had no issues.

He probably saw your profile here and figured better to deliver immediately! ;D

[osoab]

He probably saw your profile here and figured better to deliver immediately! ;D

Different identity. Just can't risk it. :o

I looked at the site earlier, been a long time. The only silver shown on the site is custom minted, the silver shells, the silver dice, the silver balls, and engravable bars. If he is selling generic silver rounds, I couldn't find it.

I had bought the silver balls, the brass balls, silver dice, and some of the silver shells as gifts. I ordered 4 weeks before Christmas and had them within 2 weeks. I do know that other LCSs bought the silver shells for resale in store. They might be popular.

[osoab]

I bought around April 2008, at $250/oz, just had bottomed out at $200 a few months before, but my premium was around $30/ oz if I remember correctly. I guess at this point there is two options either it will be a cup and handle formation and in which case the handle will probably take several years (3-5 is my guess), before it reaches new heights or it will rocket on Now to maybe 3-5k, before running out of fuel. I’ll hold out for the crazy, with my 1.5 oz of Pd strip!

I bought my single ounce for 200 in late 2008. That was when I discovered PMs. I think the 200 included the premium. I didn't want to be a big spender and go for more than an ounce of Pd. Besides, silver was so undervalued under 10 @ spot.

[Neuro]

I bought my single ounce for 200 in late 2008. That was when I discovered PMs. I think the 200 included the premium. I didn't want to be a big spender and go for more than an ounce of Pd. Besides, silver was so undervalued under 10 @ spot.

That’s right I misread the chart it was $250 @ April 2009, and that is when I bought it not April 2008... perfect timing

On the other hand if you had bought $200 worth of Troncoin (TRX) 1 month ago. You’ld Have close to $20k today. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tron/

[PatColo]

$1,127 ask, +3.81% :o

[C.Martel]

Palladium is again over Platinum.

[osoab]

Platinum was only up for about a week and barely above in spot a that. Have to see if the Russia war cries burn out.

[Neuro]

Pd is going to $2,000 soon!

[PatColo]

^ $2K is happy thoughts; surely been a sharp pop off that ~$900 low a couple weeks ago. Gotta punch through that last ~$1,120 ceiling b4 talking $2K





http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG

[Neuro]

^ $2K is happy thoughts; surely been a sharp pop off that ~$900 low a couple weeks ago. Gotta punch through that last ~$1,120 ceiling b4 talking $2K

Sure but with that trajectory 1120 should be taken out within a week... 1059 now, or earlier today (just saw that it was high for the day, 1025 now)

[PatColo]

Sure but with that trajectory 1120 should be taken out within a week... 1059 now, or earlier today (just saw that it was high for the day, 1025 now)


I'm an old tech analysis guy-- would like to see Pd pause & gyrate around the 1100 level for a month or two, "shake out the weak holders in favor of strong new holders, unafraid of buying at ~1100" -- then a punch through into new highs, for a more sustainable rally. :)

[osoab]

Pd is going to $2,000 soon!

If the Ruskies limit supply. You going to unload your ounce?

[Dogman]

Loved this Palladium run!! Bought some Palladium American Eagles a few months ago and it has really paid off!https://bullionexchanges.com/2017-1-oz-palladium-american-eagle-ngc-ms-70-first-day-of-issueOK, u are probably a shill for Bullion Exchange, I understand everyone needs a job of sum kind to keep beans in the belly and roof over head, plus care for kids, if any.

Just saying..Looking at ur posting history..! ;D

[Neuro]

OK, u are probably a shill for Bullion Exchange, I understand everyone needs a job of sum kind to keep beans in the belly and roof over head, plus care for kids, if any.

Just saying..Looking at ur posting history..! ;D

And you’re shilling for a juice company unpaid! ;D

[Dogman]

And you’re shilling for a juice company unpaid! ;D Lmfao.! ;D

No more than u shill for your favorite Surströmming or Messmör company ! Then their is always Blodsoppa to put lead in your pencil !

9870




Thanks for my first morning grin !

9869

[Neuro]

Dayum Palladium has shot up heavily the last days...
http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG
Right now at $1063, it has gold within sight at $1193!

[Neuro]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-23/this-metal-just-hit-a-record-here-s-why-palladium-is-soaring

$1128 now!

[steyr_m]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-23/this-metal-just-hit-a-record-here-s-why-palladium-is-soaring

$1128 now!

I wanted to buy Pd back when it was like $200/oz but couldn't find it. No-one sells it here in my area.....

[Neuro]

I wanted to buy Pd back when it was like $200/oz but couldn't find it. No-one sells it here in my area.....
It could be a good idea to invest in Platinum now, as it is low especially in relation to Pd, however I wouldn’t be srprised if Pd would go to double the price of Pt in the short to median term

[osoab]

I wanted to buy Pd back when it was like $200/oz but couldn't find it. No-one sells it here in my area.....

I bought from APMEX.

[osoab]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-23/this-metal-just-hit-a-record-here-s-why-palladium-is-soaring

$1128 now!

Looks like we are back to where Pd was at the 1st of the year.

Here's a blast from the past.

https://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd0365nyb.gif

[Horn]

Why when I was kneehigh to a grasshopper ...

[Neuro]

It is getting close to gold now $1221 vs $1238 up $29 today!

[EE_]

Wow, palladium is the new gold! Palladium $1,241 Gold $1,239

[PatColo]

since '92; apparently cruising at all time high

https://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd92-pres.gif

[osoab]

She'll be passing gold soon. Darn near 60 frn difference.

[Neuro]

since '92; apparently cruising at all time high

https://www.kitco.com/LFgif/pd92-pres.gif

Nice parabolic curve since beginning ‘03. This could go vvverrrry high!

[Neuro]

With gold at $1236 and palladium at $1239 palladium is the king of PMs now. At the same time the kitco ticker got locked on yesterday.

[Neuro]

Palladium threatens gold’s reign as king of metals

https://www.rt.com/business/445619-palladium-soar-record-gold-dim/

Palladium prices have skyrocketed, hitting record highs over the past year due to a growing deficit of the precious metal. The auto industry, the key consumer of the metal, is expected to bear the biggest impact of rising costs.
On Tuesday, palladium futures hit another record of $1233,82 per ounce, narrowing the price discount to an ounce of gold to the lowest margin in nearly 16 years. On Wednesday, palladium overtook gold, reaching $1,251 per ounce, as of 9:47am (GMT), while gold futures were trading at $1241 per ounce.

Palladium has taken a 49 percent jump in price since mid-August with the Wall Street Journal calling the commodity one of the best investment assets of the year. The surge in prices for the industrial metal is reportedly caused by a higher demand from the auto manufacturing sector amid the recent shift from diesel to petrol-powered engines.

Palladium is traditionally used in catalytic converters aimed at controlling exhaust emissions by converting toxic gases and pollutants into less-toxic pollutants. Nearly 70 percent of palladium demand comes from global carmakers, according to data compiled by commodities advisory CPM Group.

Analysts expect the price of palladium to keep rising as high demand for the metal, especially from China which is currently fighting for a less-polluted environment, may keep supplies quite tight.

The vast majority of the rare metal is extracted from mines in two countries. Over 80 percent of palladium global output comes as a byproduct from nickel mining in Russia and platinum mining in South Africa.

It’s impossible to increase palladium output to meet the soaring industry demand, as the supplies heavily rely on volume of extraction of other metals, Steven Dunn, head of exchange-traded funds at Aberdeen Standard Investments told Bloomberg.

[PatColo]

kitco saying high trade was $1287 today; new all time highs on the way




http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG

[osoab]

Pd took a big hit yesterday's carnage.

[Neuro]

Pd took a big hit yesterday's carnage.

It may go down and launch from $1120...

[steyr_m]

I've been wanting to buy Pd back when it was like.....I dunno, $200/oz. But it is unobtanium here.

[osoab]

I've been wanting to buy Pd back when it was like.....I dunno, $200/oz. But it is unobtanium here.

Buy more Wilver!

[PatColo]

still sticking like glue to all time high in the upper $1200s (charts below), as the other PMs snooze; imagine how Pd will trot if/when the PM complex gets some lift under it.


kitco saying high trade was $1287 today; new all time highs on the way

http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG

[PatColo]

Kitco's bug reporting Pd high/ask trade of $1321 today... :o something set it off at 10a ET today. Not finding any news to account for...

Gold falls for the day, edges up for the week; palladium settles at a record (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/gold-falls-for-the-day-edges-up-for-the-week-palladium-settles-at-a-record-2019-01-04)



Jan. 4, 2019 at 1:48 p.m. ET



http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


big breakout of 4-week (Dec) base, on big volume ^ (Mar '19 contract shown) http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[osoab]

Very nice day. Platinum was up big too.

Hooray Pd.! Something to cheer about.

[PatColo]

3 PMs red, 1 green today, as Pd blazed another new record high on strong volume again; see below



http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


big breakout of 4-week (Dec) base, on big volume ^ (Mar '19 contract shown) http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[Neuro]

Now is the time to start speculating about cold fusion reactors... ;)

[PatColo]

another new high carved out overnight; kitco bug saying $1354 high. :)


Now is the time to start speculating about cold fusion reactors... ;)


yeah-- rewind this thread ~5y to early 2014 when I was getting excited that Pd had snuck its way to ~$800s, making then-13y highs, also while the other PMs snoozed. I made a play on Stillwater Mining stock, for an eventual small loss. I was all about how something's afoot with Pd, based on the "market is always right" rule. Feeling it again now, aided this time by the fact that Pd has overtaken its Jan 2001 spike to around $1100, to blaze into new all time high territory. Barn >>> horse.

since 1995 below; not sure if that's the year Pd futures started trading? Anyways, attached image below won't update with page refreshes, unlike most 'live' charts I post!

https://i.imgur.com/2aoqL6X.jpg

[PatColo]

DOH! another new high; kitco bug saying high trade $1369.

edit: biggest volume in the front-month March '19 Pd futures contracts, at >5K, since the big Jan 4 volume day


http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by PatColo http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=943743#post943743)
http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


big breakout of 4-week (Dec) base, on big volume ^ (Mar '19 contract shown) http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[osoab]

What's the difference in pricing b/w finviz and kitco?

Today was the first day that spot Palladium showed closing above Au on finviz.

Current Pd price from finviz is 1329+ frns. Kitco price is 1343 frns.

[PatColo]

^ I hadn't heard of Finviz before. But commod/futures quotes are confused by "spot price" vs the contracts for future delivery months. Current "front month" Pd contract is for Mar '19 delivery; & bid/ask prices vary a little bit by delivery month. Mar '19 Pd (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=) last trade currently $1361.

kitco bug reported spot price high trade today $1439. :o

[osoab]

So Pd had a see saw time last week. Seems to have settled. What was up with that crazy action?

[Neuro]

So Pd had a see saw time last week. Seems to have settled. What was up with that crazy action?

We are entering the last phase, last week will not seem crazy in a month or two...

We are somewhere around optimism and belief on the chart now...
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f2/5d/0d/f25d0d40aa9d75ecd35ab5493f12300d--technical-analysis-psychology.jpg

The funny thing is that I think almost all who holds Pd on this forum bought it when it was around $200-250 some ten years ago, in the “depression”.

[osoab]

We are entering the last phase, last week will not seem crazy in a month or two...

We are somewhere around optimism and belief on the chart now...
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f2/5d/0d/f25d0d40aa9d75ecd35ab5493f12300d--technical-analysis-psychology.jpg

The funny thing is that I think almost all who holds Pd on this forum bought it when it was around $200-250 some ten years ago, in the “depression”.

Yeah, I remember the thrill of wilver.

[Neuro]

Yeah, I remember the thrill of wilver.

Thas rite! Thrilver!

I actually sold my wilver in thrill stage $38-45, the problem was that I bought it back already in anxiety stage $27-28

[PatColo]

I don't want to say anything dumb here & scare away the little Pd birdie; but it's been forming a lovely base here, under quiet accumulation, prepping for its next leg of blazing new all time highs again. :cool:

SHHH! don't even THINK about browsing for good rocket pics!! :-X

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[PatColo]

another new high, so far low volume, but it's early :) http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[Neuro]

another new high, so far low volume, but it's early :) http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=1774842740&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

We are going to 2k maybe even higher soon

[osoab]

Getting closer to a 100 frn spread with Au.

Is the demise of diesel behind this?

[PatColo]

so Mar-19 Pd had biggest volume for weeks as she cut through, & closed above that ~$1400 resistance set only ~1 month ago. Expecting a gap open Sun night (USA) when trading resumes; though I'd be surprised if it didn't retrace & close any Sun opening gap, by end of Mon. If she gaps open with high vol, & no retrace, things could get crazy to the upside next week.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1


Getting closer to a 100 frn spread with Au.

Is the demise of diesel behind this?

I dismiss the stale old "cat converters & jewelry demand" reasons for Pd's behavior. Pd's +75% more spendy than Pt now! Something else is afoot which is a tightly kept seekrit.

[Neuro]

so Mar-19 Pd had biggest volume for weeks as she cut through, & closed above that ~$1400 resistance set only ~1 month ago. Expecting a gap open Sun night (USA) when trading resumes; though I'd be surprised if it didn't retrace & close any Sun opening gap, by end of Mon. If she gaps open with high vol, & no retrace, things could get crazy to the upside next week.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1



I dismiss the stale old "cat converters & jewelry demand" reasons for Pd's behavior. Pd's ~75% more spendy than Pt now! Something else is afoot which is a tightly kept seekrit.

I read somewhere long time ago that Pd is an important catalyst in modern munitions production. Then on the other hand very little of the metal is produced every year, something around 10 million oz a year, most of which is consumed in industry... which would tend to cause speculative bursts... If you need it for the war effort, you buy it no matter the price. And then most of it is produced in Russia...

[PatColo]

I read somewhere long time ago that Pd is an important catalyst in modern munitions production. Then on the other hand very little of the metal is produced every year, something around 10 million oz a year, most of which is consumed in industry... which would tend to cause speculative bursts... If you need it for the war effort, you buy it no matter the price. And then most of it is produced in Russia...

I think that's first I've heard re Pd & some unique/non-substitutable role in "munitions production". Combine with my "something seekrit afoot with Pd" hypothesis, + mass munitions production perhaps sucking up all the metal (obv for some planned war) & driving Pd to it's present all time highs- pretty dark! {0}

Nicer to imagine some paradigm shifting "energy breakthrough", at least as far as what public is eventually told. More likely, a long suppressed energy tech, which they're finally gonna flip the switch on & monetize.

[PatColo]

so Mar-19 Pd had biggest volume for weeks as she cut through, & closed above that ~$1400 resistance set only ~1 month ago. Expecting a gap open Sun night (USA) when trading resumes; though I'd be surprised if it didn't retrace & close any Sun opening gap, by end of Mon. If she gaps open with high vol, & no retrace, things could get crazy to the upside next week.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/qui...e=&freq=&show= (http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=4&rand=112908035&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1



I dismiss the stale old "cat converters & jewelry demand" reasons for Pd's behavior. Pd's +75% more spendy than Pt now! Something else is afoot which is a tightly kept seekrit.


no opening gap last night, but cutting new highs nonetheless. :) Kitco reporting $1467 spot price high, so far. Volume in the Mar-19 contract (shown above) on track to be big again, guessing >6K today.

Pd's cousin Pt unchanged!

http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

[osoab]

PatColo the Palladium Guru.

[osoab]

PRECIOUS-Palladium soars to record high on supply deficit; gold gains (https://www.kitco.com/news/2019-02-18/PRECIOUS-Palladium-soars-to-record-high-on-supply-deficit-gold-gains.html)

Spot palladium rose to a peak of $1,458 per ounce, its highest on record, and was up 1.5 percent at $1,454 per ounce as of 1305 GMT. Autocatalyst manufacturer Johnson Matthey said in a report last week that the deficit in the palladium market will widen dramatically this year as stricter emissions standards increase demand

[PatColo]

PatColo the Palladium Guru.

heh, when I posted this AM, didn't even know it was Preznits' Day, w shortened trading hours! Didn't know at first what to make of low volume (2.2K), & intraday kitco chart flat lining!

back in biz tonight though, cutting new highs again in intl trading,

http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238

[Neuro]

Whoa suddenly Palladium took off! Now over $1470

[PatColo]

Whoa suddenly Palladium took off! Now over $1470

yes, kitco bug saying spot price high $1497

http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif


& big vol in Mar-19 contract, 6450 atm
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=7

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=28983016&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=7&rand=1454232541&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[PatColo]

Pd at it again overnight, kitco high $1529 :)

[Neuro]

$2k here we come!
https://www.rt.com/business/452430-russia-palladium-price-growth/
Niggers is gonna strike!

[PatColo]

http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif


^ heh; 3 metals down today; as Pd keeps chomping at the new all time highs bit... again... :cool:


http://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.3085778187405238


woo hoo,

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_365DAY_BIG.PNG

5 year:

http://www.monex.com/images/charts/PA_LINE_1825DAY_BIG.PNG

[PatColo]

Kitco reporting $1617 high tonight :)

[osoab]

Kitco reporting $1617 high tonight :)

Not so fast. Pd got monkey hammered today.

[PatColo]

Not so fast. Pd got monkey hammered today.

Yeah & I have to live w myself, knowing my comment last night triggered it! :'(

[osoab]

Yeah & I have to live w myself, knowing my comment last night triggered it! :'(

I'll forgive you, this time. I don't know about the others. :D

[Neuro]

I'll forgive you, this time. I don't know about the others. :D

As long as he doesn’t post rrrrockkkets... :)

[osoab]

As long as he doesn’t post rrrrockkkets... :)

Somebody must have posted rrrrockkkets.

[Neuro]

Somebody must have posted rrrrockkkets.

It seems just me merely mentioning rrrrockkkketssssz is enough, down now $91 today!!!

[PatColo]

It seems just me merely mentioning rrrrockkkketssssz is enough, down now $91 today!!!

Yep, it's all on u this this time buddy. All i did a few days ago was note price, sans further comment... then u came in w ur RRRoo-- i won't even utter it.

Let's just hope for support @ 1400. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=7

[Neuro]

Yep, it's all on u this this time buddy. All i did a few days ago was note price, sans further comment... then u came in w ur RRRoo-- i won't even utter it.

Let's just hope for support @ 1400. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=1&show=&time=7
I bet this is just the shorts last attempt at saving their poor miserable asses. Them being so desperate now made me change my target from $2000 to $2,500. If I am wrong I can hold the metal for another 10 years. I had a look at it a couple of months ago...



...No rust whatsoever! ;D

[PatColo]

I bet this is just the shorts last attempt at saving their poor miserable asses. Them being so desperate now made me change my target from $2000 to $2,500. If I am wrong I can hold the metal for another 10 years. I had a look at it a couple of months ago...



...No rust whatsoever! ;D

Are your Pd specimens bare? Mine are sealed in those plastic credit card style jobees. But it occurs, i never even learned what Pd does w air/time exposure; let alone years of lake-bottom exposure where I've stored them involuntarily ever since the tragic boating accident.:(??

[osoab]

I won't mention nor infer that which should never be spoken of, however, you gents have me curious. I am developing a bit of enough curiosity to take a dredge out an see if I am able to find and inspect. I don't remember either sealed or open.

I have pondered selling. Better than wilver.

[Neuro]

Are your Pd specimens bare? Mine are sealed in those plastic credit card style jobees. But it occurs, i never even learned what Pd does w air/time exposure; let alone years of lake-bottom exposure where I've stored them involuntarily ever since the tragic boating accident.:(??

Yeah those tragic boating accidents, too many to remember, what little I have remaining on land, I have rolled up in a piece of newspaper in a small plastic bag. Pd is supposedly extremely resistant to corrosion though. If it wasn’t I doubt you could use it as a catalyst of rather minute amounts in the highly corrosive environment of a cars exhaust...

[osoab]

Yeah those tragic boating accidents, too many to remember, what little I have remaining on land, I have rolled up in a piece of newspaper in a small plastic bag. Pd is supposedly extremely resistant to corrosion though. If it wasn’t I doubt you could use it as a catalyst of rather minute amounts in the highly corrosive environment of a cars exhaust...

Our a shekel chasing chosenite/zionist banker.

[monty]

Meanwhile gold and platinum are falling

3 tons of gold and platinum fell from a plane during take off



http://youtu.be/QhXouc68c2g

https://youtu.be/QhXouc68c2g

[JaisonMorn]

I wish one piece fell on my place lol! toodrie.com (https://toodrie.com) - eatrbox.com (https://eatrbox.com)

[PatColo]

nice to see that quick stab into the $1200s Pd took last month was quickly corrected upward, re-formed solid $1300 support, & now in hindsight looking like a double bottom put in. :)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=200021861&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=39099726&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

[Neuro]

nice to see that quick stab into the $1200s Pd took last month was quickly corrected upward, re-formed solid $1300 support, & now in hindsight looking like a double bottom put in. :)

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=palladium&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=200021861&style=320&freq=1&entitlementtoken=0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=39099726&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1
$2000 here we come!

[PatColo]

$2000 here we come!

Yuuup, kitco saying +$29 atm, uppity af, compared w other PMs


http://www.kitconet.com/images/sp_en_6.gif


https://www.kitco.com/images/live/plad.gif?0.16662347707992153

[osoab]

Seriously, you dudes are going to ruin this. :D

[PatColo]

Seriously, you dudes are going to ruin this. :D

yeah, come to think of it I've had a change of heart

below is the so called "Pd Rocket", like, any second now.

Pd doom always 24-72 hours away,

sell, sell, sell.


https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/06/30/15/ap-18181449933958.jpg

[osoab]

That's more like it.

[ziero0]

That's more like it.
But ... what is the ratio of Tulips to Palladium?

[osoab]

But ... what is the ratio of Tulips to Palladium?

We talking per unit count or overall weight each?

[ziero0]

We talking per unit count or overall weight each?

I refer to this as the TULIP INDEX.

Take anything real and divide it by anything imaginary and you will approximate the TULIP INDEX. The real part of anything imaginary is ZERO. Therefore real divided by imaginary results in a pole (aka a singularity). Since there is no imaginary component of real the imaginary denominator goes into the imaginary portion of the numerator zero times. But mathematicians are convinced that zero divided by zero results in a one (nothing from nothing equals something).

Where the confusion results is when you try to divide the real component of the numerator by the imaginary component of the denominator. Like only joins with like so the result of this division is NONSENSE as you are attempting to discover how many times imaginary can be subtracted from real.

This is what I call the TULIP INDEX.

[PatColo]

I refer to this as the TULIP INDEX.

Take anything real and divide it by anything imaginary and you will approximate the TULIP INDEX. The real part of anything imaginary is ZERO. Therefore real divided by imaginary results in a pole (aka a singularity). Since there is no imaginary component of real the imaginary denominator goes into the imaginary portion of the numerator zero times. But mathematicians are convinced that zero divided by zero results in a one (nothing from nothing equals something).

Where the confusion results is when you try to divide the real component of the numerator by the imaginary component of the denominator. Like only joins with like so the result of this division is NONSENSE as you are attempting to discover how many times imaginary can be subtracted from real.

This is what I call the TULIP INDEX.


hmm, yeah that's all really interesting & shit.

But what's important now is that you agree with the consensus around here, that now is a good time to disembark from this Pd-enburg, yes? :(??



https://www.flightmuseum.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Hindenburg_burning-with-mast-1024x768.jpg

[ziero0]

But what's important now is that you agree with the consensus around here, that now is a good time to disembark from this Pd-enburg, yes?

Hmmm ... seems the dealers don't have any to sell. Contracts for delivery to fill?

You are used to seeing the imaginary and your mind makes you believe it is real. When you get ahold of real why trade it for imaginary? There might be a case made for trading the real for something else that is real but the women keep getting older, the whiskey younger and the racehorses slower.

[PatColo]

if U have no current position in Pd, physical or paper markets,

then surely U'd still agree with the consensus here, that Pd would make a great short play in the paper markets right now?

sell, sell, sell.
sell Pd short now and grow rich soon, very rich, very soon --H H--

[ziero0]

sell Pd short now and grow rich soon, very rich, very soon --H H--

Agree to sell what I don't have? Why don't I just offer you a quit claim deed to your house? I would only ask for one dollar in exchange.

[osoab]

I refer to this as the TULIP INDEX.

Take anything real and divide it by anything imaginary and you will approximate the TULIP INDEX. The real part of anything imaginary is ZERO. Therefore real divided by imaginary results in a pole (aka a singularity). Since there is no imaginary component of real the imaginary denominator goes into the imaginary portion of the numerator zero times. But mathematicians are convinced that zero divided by zero results in a one (nothing from nothing equals something).

Where the confusion results is when you try to divide the real component of the numerator by the imaginary component of the denominator. Like only joins with like so the result of this division is NONSENSE as you are attempting to discover how many times imaginary can be subtracted from real.

This is what I call the TULIP INDEX.

What about using the imaginary to buy the real?

[ziero0]

What about using the imaginary to buy the real?

Never happen. You use the imaginary to make others believe they have sold something. In the process they abandon that thing and to abate the nuisance you step in and claim abandoned property. Claims are all we have. Title we discarded several hundred years ago. To complete the process though you really should place a legal notice in the paper to the effect that you found something abandoned and are claiming it until someone with a better claim appears.

[ziero0]

The imaginary price is down 95 bux an ounce this morning .... Yawn!!!

Seems the market wants to shake out as much as they can based upon the volatility.

[osoab]

The imaginary price is down 95 bux an ounce this morning .... Yawn!!!

Seems the market wants to shake out as much as they can based upon the volatility.

Imaginary volatility. Correct?

[Neuro]

Could be that the market reacts to the no trade deal with China, which may affect the global production of cars, which uses Pd in the catalysators.

[ziero0]

Could be that the market reacts to the no trade deal with China, which may affect the global production of cars, which uses Pd in the catalysators.

More likely a practical use of Pd in cold fusion has been discovered and those in the know are attempting to gain the most metal at the least price.

[Neuro]

More likely a practical use of Pd in cold fusion has been discovered and those in the know are attempting to gain the most metal at the least price.

Yeah makes perfect sense that they shorted the hell out of it as they got a nose on this groundbreaking discovery... :rolleyes:

[ziero0]

Yeah makes perfect sense that they shorted the hell out of it

Sense is not an attribute of the Imaginary!!! When I cease striving to understand then what I know is without understanding.

[osoab]

Sense is not an attribute of the Imaginary!!! When I cease striving to understand then what I know is without understanding.

I thought we were not to understand under any circumstance.

[ziero0]

I thought we were not to understand under any circumstance.
If you intend to be agreeable then by all means understand. Striving to understand means you have to work at it.

[Neuro]

Sense is not an attribute of the Imaginary!!! When I cease striving to understand then what I know is without understanding.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophistry#h1

[ziero0]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sophistry#h1

What I say about me applies to me. What you choose to believe belongs to you.

[Neuro]

What I say about me applies to me. What you choose to believe belongs to you.

Why are you on a forum dedicated to discussion amongst its members? It seems you have a “wavelength” problem, in terms of connecting to others? You take one word in a sentence and then you find a meaning quite different from the posters intention, and turn your interpretation into your answer.

This is totally fucked up!

[Horn]

Could be that the market reacts to the no trade deal with China, which may affect the global production of cars, which uses Pd in the catalysators.

Who needs catalysators cars or cold fusion with Uber Tesla?

[ziero0]

Why are you on a forum dedicated to discussion amongst its members? It seems you have a “wavelength” problem, in terms of connecting to others? You take one word in a sentence and then you find a meaning quite different from the posters intention, and turn your interpretation into your answer.

Due process is NOTICE and the opportunity to INQUIRE. If you believe there is discussion going on then you would likely be mistaken. There is only DUE PROCESS.

[Neuro]

Due process is NOTICE and the opportunity to INQUIRE. If you believe there is discussion going on then you would likely be mistaken. There is only DUE PROCESS.

So what do you do on a forum dedicated to DISCUSSION?

[ziero0]

So what do you do on a forum dedicated to DISCUSSION?

Inquire. Or give Notice. Depends upon the circumstances.

[Neuro]

Whooaah look at Pd up $64 right now up more than $80 earlier

[osoab]

Gold down and wilver up. Prepare for a liquidation smackdown.

[Neuro]

Gold down and wilver up. Prepare for a liquidation smackdown.

LOL we have just started the bull market after 7-8 years of correction. Sure we’ll see smackdowns, but mostly up.

[PatColo]

Whooaah look at Pd up $64 right now up more than $80 earlier

yes Pd looking good; gathering steam for the next leg up, > previous $1600 high
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=

thrillver looking good too; it's extended now but I'd be a buyer after it forms a new base as Pd has done,
https://silverprice.org/

[Neuro]

yes Pd looking good; gathering steam for the next leg up, > previous $1600 high
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=palladium&insttype=&freq=&show=

thrillver looking good too; it's extended now but I'd be a buyer after it forms a new base as Pd has done,
https://silverprice.org/

An Elliot wave analyst whom I know from a crypto forum says that Silver will go up to around $23 and then down below $16. But then of course it may be difficult to find the physical at a reasonable premium...

[PatColo]

from the chart it's tough to predict where Ag goes, with its run to $49.xx back in spring '11; then ratcheting back down to the teens by 2014 & ever since. Lots of overhead resistance... peeps who bought north of $20 during that 4 years, 2010-2014 where it spent >$20. :(??

I've said many times in this thread now: believe something's up with Pd, breaking to new all time highs as the PM complex snoozed. Surely something to do with the new/alt energy field. Recall joogle whistleblower Zach Vorhees revealed joogle is supressing search results for cancer cures & alt energy research,


Jordan S commenting on a Zach tweet, both within recent < 2h,
https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_/status/1165093293962625025
https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1165091672469860353

(https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1165091672469860353)

Jordan Sather
(https://twitter.com/Jordan_Sather_)Cancer cures and Cold Fusion censored by Google. Crazy times we live in. Imagine the our world if everyone knew the truth about what’s possible!




Zach Vorhies

(https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac)
The phrase “cancer cures” was literally blacklisted... great video by Jordan Sather!



Jordan's vid today which Zach compliments:
GOOGLE'S BLACKLIST: Censoring Cancer Cures & Free Energy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QiuuwivwsM)

16 mins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QiuuwivwsM

[Neuro]

from the chart it's tough to predict where Ag goes, with its run to $49.xx back in spring '11; then ratcheting back down to the teens by 2014 & ever since. Lots of overhead resistance... peeps who bought north of $20 during that 4 years, 2010-2014 where it spent >$20. :(??

I've said many times in this thread now: believe something's up with Pd, breaking to new all time highs as the PM complex snoozed. Surely something to do with the new/alt energy field. Recall joogle whistleblower Zach Vorhees revealed joogle is supressing search results for cancer cures & alt energy research,

I wouldn’t be surprised if it skips any major corrections now and we’ll see $500 silver by end of next year. First major hurdle would be the epic $50 reached in 1980 and 2011. Reason being the many years of 0% or in some cases even negative interest rate fiat (Sweden and Denmark the last 2 years). This time when it comes time to rescue rotten banks (like Deutsche Bank), turning on QE will instantly devalue the money, and everyone will see there is no return from infinite quantitative easing, the show must go on, or instant collapse. And people will finally lose faith in fiat as they see it losing its value by the day. What is surprising is that they managed to keep the illusion running for as long as they have (pure unbacked fiat since the 70’s). The money masters truly are magicians. They increased the monetary supply 100’s of times, meanwhile salaries the last 50 years increased only what 10x? Price inflation certainly greater than that, but managed to make it look lower by Chinese imports and manipulation of goods basket.

[PatColo]

^ U seen my thread with a couple John McAfee interviews? Esp his fantabulous BTC/cryptos price predictions?

Thread: John McAfee interview with VLTV - arrests, cryptos, POTUS run (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?101007-John-McAfee-interview-with-VLTV-arrests-cryptos-POTUS-run)


tells Nathan Stolpman BTC $1mm/coin by end of 2020 or he eats his dick on national TV :o

that's about a 100x return from current ~$10k/coin


edit, 'nother interview, crypto podcast
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1166623826735751168

[Neuro]

^ U seen my thread with a couple John McAfee interviews? Esp his fantabulous BTC/cryptos price predictions?

Thread: John McAfee interview with VLTV - arrests, cryptos, POTUS run (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?101007-John-McAfee-interview-with-VLTV-arrests-cryptos-POTUS-run)


tells Nathan Stolpman BTC $1mm/coin by end of 2020 or he eats his dick on national TV :o

that's about a 100x return from current ~$10k/coin


edit, 'nother interview, crypto podcast
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1166623826735751168

Yes I saw and was well aware of his prediction. It was interesting to hear about his escape though. I would be amazed but not overly surprised if bitcoin or one of its forks, or together would get above 1 million dollar before end of 2020, but it may happen in 2021. Crypto will be the fastest and easiest way of protecting your asset value in times of high fiat inflation and bank bankruptcy, and also easiest way of transporting large sums of money across borders. Something that is sure to become popular within the next couple of years. The thing is if Bitcoin does a hundred bagger, then some other coins will do 1000x, but this is nominal dollars, so maybe divide it by 5 or 10 for realistic returns in value. Gold for instance would be fairly constant value, maybe double it because it has been manipulated down for a very long time, so 10-20x current price IOW $15-30k/oz.

I know these numbers seem kind of unreachable and unrealistic now. But once everyone is trying to leave fiat hell at once, it can and will happen. But expect collapse of vital infrastructure towards end of run —>bitcoin worthless without electricity/internet

[Jewboo]

...once everyone is trying to leave fiat hell at once...expect collapse of vital infrastructure towards end of run —>bitcoin worthless without electricity/internet.



:rolleyes: Bingo!

[PatColo]

Last Friday joogle whistleblower Zach Vorhies tweeted this reminder of joog blacklisting alt energy knowlegebase &discussion site...
https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1185667903623815168



http://e-catworld.com
Why did @Google black list this site?
What is #ColdFusion?
Why did @Google keep its own cold fusion research lab a secret for so long?
...and what does this have (if anything) to do with the recent, skyrocketing palladium prices?!
#FreeEnergy #LENR



Then in a comment to that tweet he posted an image of these 2 article titles:

27 MAY 2019* Google revives controversial cold-fusion experiments
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-01683-9

Jun 10, 2019,7:30 am
Google Ran A Secret Experiment To Search For Cold Fusion. Did They Find It?
Steven Salzberg
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2019/06/10/google-ran-a-secret-experiment-to-search-for-cold-fusion-did-they-find-it/#1b85466156fc

[Neuro]

Hehehe in terms of the ultimate price of Palladium in the manic phase of its speculative bubble, it doesn’t matter if cold fusion is real or not. It will be priced as if it is. Just like fiat currencies nowadays are perceived to have real value.

[PatColo]

carrying this over here, from my Pd to lead PMs rally? thread

blockbuster below; Zach reveals the full story re events surrounding what he sleuthed out re goog/cold-fusion/research/suppression...

65 mins, the Pd goodies are in the 2nd ~half,


haven't listened to this new one yet, but should be rich re the Palladium/cold fusion question

Dark To Light: Zach is Back, Google Cold Fusion, and Social Credit Score
(https://radioinfluence.com/2019/10/30/dark-to-light-zach-is-back-google-cold-fusion-social-credit-score/)
Radio Influence Staff (https://radioinfluence.com/author/staff/)
October 30, 2019
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We are honored to be joined by Zack Vorhies (https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac), the brave whistleblower who provided documents to Project Veritas and blew the whistle on Google. We start out by introducing you to the relationship between Google and China. Are they still working on any projects with them or a social credit score?

Next, we learn how AI is evolving, what plans Google has in store and how they intend to use it, and who will have access to it.

Finally, we end the show with a huge breaking story: Google and Cold Fusion, or free energy – What is it? What did Zach discover while working at Google? What are the implications moving forward?

We get a bit technical and science like on today’s show but we hope you enjoy it!

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[PatColo]

zach tweeted: https://twitter.com/Perpetualmaniac/status/1190686119337136129



Zach Vorhies @Perpetualmaniac Nov 2
What we are discovering is that not only does a free/abundant energy method exist, but it exists in many different ways.

It’s important to note that the “green new deal” BANS ALL nuclear technology.
https://forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2019/10/30/a-breakthrough-in-american-energy-dominance-us-navy-patents-compact-fusion-reactor/amp/



Oct 30, 2019
A Breakthrough In American Energy Dominance? U.S. Navy Patents Compact Fusion Reactor (https://forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2019/10/30/a-breakthrough-in-american-energy-dominance-us-navy-patents-compact-fusion-reactor/amp/)

[Cebu_4_2]

Some guy is paying for catalytic converters. Say you have a POS vehicle for sale that runs, he will give you $400 for the converters and you keep the car. There is more than one guy doing this now. Neither are local and one travels areas far as 1000 miles to do this. Learn me what I am missing here. I think I can go to a local pull the part joint and chop a bunch of these off.

[woodman]

Some guy is paying for catalytic converters. Say you have a POS vehicle for sale that runs, he will give you $400 for the converters and you keep the car. There is more than one guy doing this now. Neither are local and one travels areas far as 1000 miles to do this. Learn me what I am missing here. I think I can go to a local pull the part joint and chop a bunch of these off.
Have not heard of this. IIRC converters were going for big money back in '06-07, probably for the platinum. I cut a couple out and sold them. Can't remember what I got but I think about $150 each. Palladium was a dog back then. If I had only known. I really wanted some of those Russian Ballerinas but never got any.

[osoab]

Some guy is paying for catalytic converters. Say you have a POS vehicle for sale that runs, he will give you $400 for the converters and you keep the car. There is more than one guy doing this now. Neither are local and one travels areas far as 1000 miles to do this. Learn me what I am missing here. I think I can go to a local pull the part joint and chop a bunch of these off.

They are probably the 1st thing pulled by the yards. You might get lucky though.

[Neuro]

It’s mainly diesels doing the palladium converter no?

[woodman]

It’s mainly diesels doing the palladium converter no?

Found this: https://investingnews.com/innspired/palladium-platinum-catalytic-converters-metals-market/

From that link:
Palladium has better thermal stability than platinum and can withstand the temperatures of gasoline exhaust. Palladium is more widely used in the catalytic converter market for gasoline-powered cars, while platinum is the go-to metal for the diesel-fueled vehicle market. Demand for diesel-powered vehicles has been shrinking, decreasing platinum demand from the catalytic converter market.

I haven't done any other searching so I don't know.

[Neuro]

Ah right I got it all assbackward... Thanks!

[woodman]

Ah right I got it all assbackward... Thanks!
You were probably running on long-ago stored info which sometimes gets shuffled around in the memory banks. At least you knew there was a connection between the different metals and different fuels, which is more than I knew. I would not have researched if you had not mentioned it.o)(~

[Neuro]

You were probably running on long-ago stored info which sometimes gets shuffled around in the memory banks. At least you knew there was a connection between the different metals and different fuels, which is more than I knew. I would not have researched if you had not mentioned it.o)(~

Yes that’s right. Shuffled around in memory bank. We both know better now then ;)

[osoab]

1900 frns.

When does Pd pull back?

[osoab]

1950+

[PatColo]

Ohhhh Ahhhh Ohhhh!

high $2,116 so far today according to kitco, & still hoovering near top like it aint finished yet; meanwhile the other 3 PMs red.

chart snapshot since Aug https://www.tradingview.com/x/sNQNj9rJ/

@ $2,200 Pd I'll officially have a 10-bagger on my big '04 buy, at least it's spot was $220 that day; I paid $20 premium per coin/bar as they were direct from the producer, the infamous Northwest Territorial Mint >:D - so would need more like $2,400 Pd for an authentic 10-bagger :cool:

[mamboni]

Ohhhh Ahhhh Ohhhh!

high $2,116 so far today according to kitco, & still hoovering near top like it aint finished yet; meanwhile the other 3 PMs red.

chart snapshot since Aug https://www.tradingview.com/x/sNQNj9rJ/

@ $2,200 Pd I'll officially have a 10-bagger on my big '04 buy, at least it's spot was $220 that day; I paid $20 premium per coin/bar as they were direct from the producer, the infamous Northwest Territorial Mint >:D - so would need more like $2,400 Pd for an authentic 10-bagger :cool:

Perhaps it’s time to swap Pd for Pt? I loaded up on Pt sub $800 but I think that it is still very cheap.

[monty]

Perhaps it’s time to swap Pd for Pt? I loaded up on Pt sub $800 but I think that it is still very cheap.

Would you recommend buying Pt before Ag & Au at the current prices?

[PatColo]

Perhaps it’s time to swap Pd for Pt? I loaded up on Pt sub $800 but I think that it is still very cheap.

I don't know about moving into Pt... I actually eased out of ~20% of my physical Pd last Fall in the $1600s... boo hoo to that, now @ $2100 Pd right? Meh, it was the coin behind my newish Honda Fit & RV both in the recent <2 mos, which have both been dramatic lifestyle changers. The car for example; I hadn't owned a personal car for 15 years! Was all walking & short term rental cars & taxis & public trans... whew, the freedom again! :cool:

[mamboni]

Would you recommend buying Pt before Ag & Au at the current prices?
If you are investing long term (more than a year) I would recommend some Pt but not to the exclusion of silver which is also an excellent buy at $18. Gold is probably overbought now though I am confident that we will see $1600 this year and continuously higher prices for several years to come. Platinum historically sells at a premium to gold so today’s low price vis a vis gold is unprecedented. Also, I like it’s scarcity and geopolitical risk.

[PatColo]

Gold is probably overbought now though I am confident that we will see $1600 this year and continuously higher prices for several years to come.

Au already hit $1610 last night around 7:30 ET https://goldprice.org/ Maybe U meant $1800? I'd bet on that this yr... prolly by "...sell in May and go away..." time.

[PatColo]

Pd spurted up to $2165 this past hour (via kitco; goldprice.com says $2149 peak)

hourly chart going back ~5 days https://www.tradingview.com/x/ssKtDwfw/

[monty]

If you are investing long term (more than a year) I would recommend some Pt but not to the exclusion of silver which is also an excellent buy at $18. Gold is probably overbought now though I am confident that we will see $1600 this year and continuously higher prices for several years to come. Platinum historically sells at a premium to gold so today’s low price vis a vis gold is unprecedented. Also, I like it’s scarcity and geopolitical risk.

Thanks. I have been reluctant to by more silver since it has been above $16. I bought most of my silver between $5.00 and $12.00. $18 had me spooked. I don’t have platinum, perhaps I will put a little money in Pt. also.

[monty]

100 year gold to silver ratio

https://www.macrotrends.net/1441/gold-to-silver-ratio

[Jewboo]

100 year gold to silver ratio

Silver is no longer in our coins and no longer used in photography. Mostly just in mirrors and electronics...

[mamboni]

Thanks. I have been reluctant to by more silver since it has been above $16. I bought most of my silver between $5.00 and $12.00. $18 had me spooked. I don’t have platinum, perhaps I will put a little money in Pt. also.To Lynette you listen young argentopaduan!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYzFpXe1xCU

[PatColo]

buh-bye $2,200 :o $2,207.50 as I type, https://www.tradingview.com/x/eFx6MDwY/

[JohnQPublic]

buh-bye $2,200 :o $2,207.50 as I type, https://www.tradingview.com/x/eFx6MDwY/

Pd is amazing. Higher than gold and platinum, and by a lot. Something must be happening behind the scenes. China deal should drive it even higher.

[JohnQPublic]

Remember boys and girls- gold is a barbaric relic, and palladium is an auto-catalyst.

" Palladium hit a record high of $2,191.60 an ounce, and was on track for a ninth straight session of gains. The auto-catalyst was up 2.7% at $2,189.77. For 2020/21, "we forecast heavy structural supply/demanddeficits for palladium," James Steel, chief precious metalsanalyst at HSBC, wrote in a note. "Likely robust automotive demand will help keep the markettight. Tighter emissions regulations globally imply heavierpalladium auto catalyst loadings.""https://uk.reuters.com/article/global-precious/precious-gold-slips-as-trade-deal-signing-nears-palladium-hits-record-high-idUKL4N29J3K2

[osoab]

"Likely robust automotive demand

HSBC is selling their book.

Where in the world is the auto industry on full tilt?

[PatColo]

aaaaand $2,300 https://www.tradingview.com/x/DmqVEltx/

[PatColo]

Yawl notice we spiked to $2,352 according to kitco? Twas around 8:30 ET this morning

$2,359.50 according to goldprice.org,

30 min price bars: https://www.tradingview.com/x/OGpxLM5f/

[osoab]

finviz is around 2240 for a high

[Neuro]

WTF $2,810 high!

[PatColo]

WTF $2,810 high!

that's what kitco's little PM price ticker is saying, but their graph at https://www.kitco.com/charts/livepalladium.html doesn't show the line exceeding $2,450.

trying to get Pd quotes is whacked; goldprice.org (https://goldprice.org/) earlier was showing $2,611 high, now that's changed, showing peak of $2,543!

30 min price bars: https://www.tradingview.com/x/U5diQtB5/

[osoab]

WTF $2,810 high!

I'm thinking someone is high. :D

[PatColo]

the Pd price quote discrepancies prolly stem from the huge bid/ask spread in Pd now, resulting from its being thinly traded combined with recent parabolic volatility.

check the bid/ask spread atop https://www.kitco.com/charts/livepalladium.html -- $200 freaking dollar spread. Compare to Au $1.00 spread, Ag 10 cents, & Pt $5.00 spread! (https://www.kitco.com/market/) :o

The quote services like kitco & goldprice only plot the graphs of the lower bid price, but the "day's high" price reflects the highest ask price reached, & I think at least one futures contract buy must be executed at that price to be recorded.

So last night when goldprice was saying $2,611 high, & kitco $2,810 high, that's $199 apart, reflecting the going Pd bid/ask spread atm.

[PatColo]

vid @ link:

Palladium Record Prices Expose Central Banks NYMEX Trading (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-01-21/palladium-record-prices-expose-central-banks-nymex-trading)


by jhanders (https://www.zerohedge.com/users/jhanders)
Tue, 01/21/2020 - 10:45

Late last week the financial world witnessed another record-setting palladium spot price denominated in fiat Federal Reserve notes.

The palladium price passed $2,500 oz USD intraday last Friday, January 17, 2020.

Ongoing palladium bullion (https://sdbullion.com/palladium) shortages illustrate how attempts to control and contain precious metals prices (https://sdbullion.com/current-spot-prices), eventually end and even backfires into physical short-falls of supply, and exponential price runs higher as a result.

more/vid: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2020-01-21/palladium-record-prices-expose-central-banks-nymex-trading

17m: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT5YnnpsruQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT5YnnpsruQ

[PatColo]

I recall seeing YT ch Edge of Wonder (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxC2RlwWGHnwXanvHNBmw2w/videos)'s Zach Vorhies interview part 1 last Nov, but missed when they pub'd part 2, & just watched now. Includes his telling of the goog cold fusion story.

The whole 38 mins is worthwhile for context, but if ur in a rush the cold fusion bit begins around 22m. He notes a big component of keeping it seeeekrit is so not to contradict the climate change hoax hysteria... yes indeed.

Rebel ZACH VORHIES EXPOSES Google Empire Agenda [Part 2/3] | Edge of Wonder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4iRy_YF-GY)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4iRy_YF-GY


I gather the final pt 3 is behind EOW's paywall... preview indicated it's re Zach's belief in Qanon & other bits...

[Neuro]

^^ Good interview! ^^

I always thought that the end play re the palladium saga would be cold fusion or perhaps rumors of cold fusion (which I still find more likely)... $10k or perhaps even $50k, here we come...

Besides the fermi e-cat was using isotopes of Nickel as far as I can remember...

[Shami-Amourae]

^^ Good interview! ^^

I always thought that the end play re the palladium saga would be cold fusion or perhaps rumors of cold fusion (which I still find more likely)... $10k or perhaps even $50k, here we come...

Besides the fermi e-cat was using isotopes of Nickel as far as I can remember...

Should I hold onto my palladium or sell it?

I only have a single bar I bought for the hell of it, now I'm wishing I only bought Palladium over Gold/Silver.

[Jewboo]

Should I hold onto my palladium or sell it? I only have a single bar I bought for the hell of it...

A young goy in Idaho should "invest" instead in more guns and ammo.

[osoab]

Should I hold onto my palladium or sell it?

I only have a single bar I bought for the hell of it, now I'm wishing I only bought Palladium over Gold/Silver.

I'm holding onto my one bar.

It's an 11+ bagger at this time.

Maybe @ $5,000 frns.

[Shami-Amourae]

A young goy in Idaho should "invest" instead in more guns and ammo.

I'm mostly interested in real estate now so I can get some cash flow.

Idaho real estate is booming now.

If you own 2-3+ homes outright you technically can retire on the rent money if you live frugally.

[Jewboo]

Idaho real estate is booming now.



From California I fled to Idaho in 1980 and you somewhere around 2010? (http://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/04e898aa9a7c29766697779141581170e903c6-wm.jpg?v=3)

[PatColo]

Should I hold onto my palladium or sell it?

I only have a single bar I bought for the hell of it, now I'm wishing I only bought Palladium over Gold/Silver.

whajewpay? :(??

I'd say depends on ur overall financial sitch. If all comfy, no debt, then hold for higher $. If otherwise, sell it like a hot tater.

I'm still sitting on the ~80% which I didn't recently (Oct, IIRC) sell in the mid $1,600s.:'( But hey I'm a new car & RV owning/living pleb now :cool:; which I'd originally envisioned driving to Canada to find Amazing Polly (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?101731-Brian-HIV-calls-out-Sean-SGT-Report&p=960007&viewfull=1#post960007) & consummate our already imagined long term relationship... but now instead I just... surf the web in my RV, whilst drinking & bong ripping my sorrows away... :'(

^ But we digress. Point was, I'm in no hurry to sell my remaining chunk of Pd here; if it 'collapses' it wouldn't change my lifestyle. Come to think of it, the FRNs I recently spent on car/RV, incl pound-of-FRN-flesh to CA in 'transfer tax', was darn near the same as my original 2004 physical Pd investment @ $220/oz! And those purchases (exchanging 'physical' for 'physical', we might say), only accounted for ~2/3 the proceeds of my Oct Pd sale! :cool:

Technical-analysis-ly (https://www.tradingview.com/x/YKKhAURm/), Pd's forming a nice tight little base/consolidation this past week, a 'flag', very bullish & I'd predict another fast spurt higher, maybe tagging $3K, which'd prompt me to drop another ~20/whatever %.

[Shami-Amourae]

I'm holding onto my one bar.

It's an 11+ bagger at this time.

Maybe @ $5,000 frns.

I heard it may take 1-2 years to retool to Platinum for manufacturing, which may continue the slide up of Palladium until then.

[Jewboo]

RV owning/living pleb now



Shami does have a point about investing in Idaho actual housing.

:)

[osoab]

To put it in perspective the silver we bought at the same time has increased 8 frns. :(

[Neuro]

To put it in perspective the silver we bought at the same time has increased 8 frns. :(

Wohooo!

[osoab]

2600+

[Neuro]

Wuhuu!

[PatColo]

goldprice.org showing early yest AM spike to $2842

1 hour price bars: https://www.tradingview.com/x/l6GWREFg/

kitco giving the 30day high of $2786 https://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/pd0030lnb.html

again though, assume discrepancies are re bid vs ask prices, and/or "continuous contract" vs front-month, ???

[osoab]

Wuhuu!

Is the alcohol that good or that bad in S.E. Asia?

[Neuro]

is the alcohol that good or that bad in s.e. Asia?

lul!

[JohnQPublic]

Amazing. Markets tanking. Gold and silver down a little, but Pd still ramping up. Not a real market drop, more sector rotation I suspect.

[osoab]

Amazing. Markets tanking. Gold and silver down a little, but Pd still ramping up. Not a real market drop, more sector rotation I suspect.


Silver is being held back because we have no ability to post silver rocket pictures. :(

[osoab]

Margin selloff anyone? Down to 1743 now.

[mamboni]

Bought a boat load of silver maples today - caught the bottom too! I’ve been siting on cash waiting for this
market crash. If the pms drop further I will buy more silver and platinum. These two are outstanding bargains. Palladium has further to fall. Of course gold is always a buy because in the long run it is going much much higher. Silver is my spec play. But a drop down to $14 not impossible. Major deflation ahead.

[woodman]

Bought a boat load of silver maples today - caught the bottom too! I’ve been siting on cash waiting for this
market crash. If the pms drop further I will buy more silver and platinum. These two are outstanding bargains. Palladium has further to fall. Of course gold is always a buy because in the long run it is going much much higher. Silver is my spec play. But a drop down to $14 not impossible. Major deflation ahead.
Platinum sure looks like a bargain. Looks like it hasn't been this low in dollar terms since '03. Taking inflation into account it is even more dramatic.

[mamboni]

Platinum sure looks like a bargain. Looks like it hasn't been this low in dollar terms since '03. Taking inflation into account it is even more dramatic.Platinum is selling for less than cost of production. So if one has a long term investment horizon he can't lose buying Pt at these prices. But Pt could go lower short term. If Pt drops further I will buy more. I'm retired and I'm trying to protect my nest egg which is 45 percent in cash. Cash is king now and will be for the next few weeks or months. But long term the US dollar is dead currency walking I need to convert dollars into assets that will survive through the coming collapse and monetary reset. I only trust physical PMs at this point. Real estate has two problems: it can and will drop in price and it will be taxed heavily to pay for the government largesse that is coming. Stocks are now in a bear market and will be for years to come IMHO. I don't consider cryptocurrencies a safe option for wealth preservation. Foreign currencies are worse trash than the US dollar. Going forward I think the only viable investments are PMs. a cash business, self-improvement, and useful tangibles such as guns, ammo, food and supplies, tools etc.

[EE_]

Bitcoin $4,700. Wow, what a plunge!

[JohnQPublic]

Palladium moving back up on confidence I guess.

[Neuro]

Right now Pd 2249 Ag 14.01 ratio is at 160.51

[osoab]

Broke $3000 frns.

[Neuro]

So I sold my 1.5 t oz Pd today, got $3,051 for it… Now it will probably take off and reach $10k/oz in a couple of months… ;)

[ziero0]

So I sold my 1.5 t oz Pd today, got $3,051 for it… Now it will probably take off and reach $10k/oz in a couple of months… ;)

Mathematically speaking average is a market goal that is attainable consistently.

[monty]

So I sold my 1.5 t oz Pd today, got $3,051 for it… Now it will probably take off and reach $10k/oz in a couple of months… ;)

Just curious; Factoring in inflation from the time you purchased until the sale did you make a profit? I am not selling mine.

[Neuro]

Just curious; Factoring in inflation from the time you purchased until the sale did you make a profit? I am not selling mine.

I think I did ok it was up +550% from the price I payed 13-14 years ago and what I got yesterday. I think it would have been closer to 800% price increase if one takes into account the premiums when buying and selling, but the dealer has to make a profit too… I would have kept it longer, but I am going to Mexico next week for a 5 week holiday. Normally I would earn enough this week to pay for it, but there was a snow storm here and for 4 days I lost 70% of my normal earnings, so I sold to make up for the difference…