View Full Version : Who is a Jew and who is not, according to the book of Romans
rurounikitsune
5th April 2010, 02:24 PM
A Jew is:
A son of Abraham (Romans 4:16)
Circumcised (Romans 3:1)
At an advantage due to his people being entrusted with the Torah (Romans 3:2)
Under sin in the same way that Gentiles are (Romans 3:9)
A member of a people whose collective repentance will initiate the resurrection of the dead (Romans 11:15)
A member of a people who will be saved (Romans 11:26)
A member of a disobedient and obstinate people (Romans 10:20)
A Jew is not:
Someone who has abandoned the Mosaic law (Romans 2:25)
Someone who is only ethnically or outwardly "Jewish" (Romans 2:28)
Worse than a Gentile (Romans 3:9)
To be boasted over or looked at arrogantly (Romans 11:17-21)
Becks1516
5th April 2010, 03:00 PM
But
Who wrote the Book ?
rurounikitsune
5th April 2010, 03:45 PM
But
Who wrote the Book ?
The Apostle Paul
or
Sha'ul ha'Shaliach
depending on what language you're speaking.
StackerKen
5th April 2010, 11:13 PM
But
Who wrote the Book ?
A former Jew.
rurounikitsune
8th April 2010, 07:03 AM
A former Jew.
Paul didn't quit being Jewish.
He describes himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews and a Pharisee (in the present tense) in his trials toward the end of the book of Acts.
The Jews accused Paul of renouncing Judaism, an accusation which Paul continuously and vigorously denied.
StackerKen
10th April 2010, 10:49 PM
A former Jew.
Paul didn't quit being Jewish.
He describes himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews and a Pharisee (in the present tense) in his trials toward the end of the book of Acts.
The Jews accused Paul of renouncing Judaism, an accusation which Paul continuously and vigorously denied.
Paul was, by ancestry, of the tribe of Benjamin.
He was religiously a Jew (and a Pharisee)
Apon further study I see that you are correct. Thank you for pointing that out to me,
After reading Romans 7 dozens of times, I just assumed that he quit being Jewish .
I guess i haven't studied the last chapters of Acts enough.
Now I am a bit confused. :-\
How can a person be a "Practicing Jew"...and a Christian at the same time?
illumin19
11th April 2010, 02:02 AM
Now I am a bit confused. :-\
How can a person be a "Practicing Jew"...and a Christian at the same time?
Why, you are asking about none other than Jesus' (alayhi salam) apostles StackerKen. :)
301ouncer
11th April 2010, 07:21 AM
Paul didn't quit being Jewish.
He describes himself as a Hebrew of Hebrews and a Pharisee (in the present tense) in his trials toward the end of the book of Acts.
The Jews accused Paul of renouncing Judaism, an accusation which Paul continuously and vigorously denied.
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Very complicated but i am really sorry to break it to you. A MIGHTY PLOT by the PPP (pharisee political party).
30pcsAg
12th April 2010, 10:18 PM
How can a person be a "Practicing Jew"...and a Christian at the same time?
Ken, if Paul observed Hebrew tradition, do you think he gave up his salvation? If he observed the Passover and didn’t eat pork because he was taught it is vile, does that make him any less Christian? What significant Hebrew tradition did Christ observe before he offered himself as sacrifice? If I observe a pagan tradition such as Halloween or Easter will Jesus blot my name from the Book of Life?
We can be sure that Paul accepted the grace offered him through Christ and if you believe the bible you know Paul spoke of that gift with his mouth. He was a great teacher in many of Christ’s churches. Do you think Christ would forsake him for spreading his message in a synagogue?
Paul of all people knows that salvation comes by grace and not of works, lest any man should boast. Paul even rebuked Peter for trying to teach some believers that they were required to observe Hebrew tradition. He also goes as far to say that if observing a tradition becomes a stumbling block for someone else then give up the tradition or practice in private.
Paul was a Murderer who was forgiven and thankful, so he willingly tried to live by the law spoken by God /Christ. As RJB pointed out in his wonderful thread, “faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being aloneâ€Â. ..And I believe he lived it
To freely live by the law in our hearts and proving with action is the best any believer can do. Jesus explains in depth what his law is in Mathew chapters 5-7. And as long as we live by the two commandments: love our God with all our heart and love our neighbors as much as ourselves I don’t think traditions are relevant.
I wonder why some are trying to separate Paul from Christ. Would the next question be “if Paul was a heretic, can we believe any of the New Testament?â€Â
30pcsAg
12th April 2010, 10:20 PM
There is no difference between the Jew and the Greek (Romans 10:12)
StackerKen
12th April 2010, 10:27 PM
Thank you 30
That does help me understand better. :)
30pcsAg
12th April 2010, 10:57 PM
Thank you Ken. Your question opened my eyes a bit more :morph:
StackerKen
12th April 2010, 10:58 PM
BTW 30pcs
Nice to meet you. Glad your here with us :)
30pcsAg
12th April 2010, 11:06 PM
Thanks Ken, It is nice to formally meet you too. It is good to be here. I have been around a while, but lurk in the shadows. My Proxy is a bugger if I forget to turn it off and log into certain sites. Some of them take hours to restablish pass codes when they think my account has been hacked. :-\
rurounikitsune
13th April 2010, 08:37 AM
How can a person be a "Practicing Jew"...and a Christian at the same time?
I can find no evidence in the New Testament that any of the apostles abandoned the Mosaic law or even their traditions and customs. Paul even took a Nazirite vow and offered sacrifices at the Temple.
They did not appear to see any conflict between salvation by grace through faith, and obedience to the law of God. Actually, they seemed to regard obedience as a natural consequence of faith - such a natural consequence that it constitutes proof of faith according to I John.
It also appears that there is a different standard for Gentiles. They were not required to convert to Judaism in order to be saved, and were therefore not required to become circumcised or to obey all of the commandments in the Mosaic law (this is the biggest argument in the New Testament and it shows up in almost every book). Interestingly, though, three out of the four laws which the Gentile believers were initially required to obey were dietary, as recorded in Acts 15. As they joined in the community, which began as mostly observant Jews, one wonders how much of the Law the Gentile believers ended up obeying. I would suspect, most of it; to have any table fellowship with their Jewish brethren, they would not have been able to eat non-kosher food, or food that had been offered to idols.
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