Genetic evidence of extraterrestrials on Earth

[uranian]

The starchild skull (http://www.starchildproject.com/skull_overview.htm):

http://www.ufoshows.com/photos/starchild_skull.jpg

Unusual things about this skull:

No sinuses, eye sockets less than 50% depth of normal (combined, all the odd features of the skull put it more than 10 standard deviations away from the normal human skull), bone is made of a substance more like tooth enamel than human bone, brain capacity is bigger than normal, optic nerve enters the skull cavity in a different place, no brow bridges, never-before seen fibres within the bone, it's half the weight yet stronger than a normal skull, more here (http://www.starchildproject.com/reports.htm).

The DNA testing (http://www.starchildproject.com/reports_dna.htm) that had been done until recently revealed that the mother (mitochondrial DNA) was human (skull has been carbon dated to about 900 years ago), while the father's DNA (nuclear DNA reveals the mother and the father's DNA) wasn't recoverable. The technology at the time of these tests (2003) wasn't available to test the nuclear DNA successfully, so the situation was left that here's a skull with a massive amount of anomalies compared to anything ever seen in humans, with provably and easily recoverable mitochondrial DNA, but unrecoverable nuclear DNA. Certainly leading towards the conclusion that the father was unusual, but circumstantial at that point.

New technology has within the last couple of weeks proven that sections of the nuclear DNA match nothing ever seen on Earth. I'll quote Lloyd Pye, as the caretaker of the skull:


For many species, humans included, there are already nucleotide sequences covering entire genomes. Therefore, sequences from the Starchild's DNA can be directly compared against this vast database to look for any matches. In one such comparison below, you see the text below the blue line at the bottom that 265 base pairs (a good length) of recovered Starchild nuclear DNA matches perfectly with a gene on human chromosome This verifies beyond any degree of doubt that some of the nuclear DNA seen in the gel sheet is from a human being.

In the one below, and again at the bottom [images attached], you see the stunning report that in a string of 342 base pairs (another good length), "No significant similarity (is) found." To recover a stretch of base pairs as long as that with NO reference in the NIH database is astounding because it means there is no known earthly corollary for what has been analyzed!

This result has now been verified several times, and a few more different fragments have been identified that cannot be matched in this database to anything known.

So essentially here is DNA evidence that the father of the starchild skull had DNA never seen on Earth, which is a fair definition of extraterrestrial DNA. At this stage, the experiments are being repeated to ensure that the data is solid. It's a slow process because it's being done on a shoestring budget ("Our geneticist is still making great headway within his limited capacity to do only shotgun sequencing rather than working on a powerful 454 machine. He can recover only a few hundred nucleotides per run, while the 454 secures one million per run!", to quote Lloyd again), but an official announcement is due within weeks to months. The geneticist in question apparently wants to keep his head down until they are ready for a media bonanza, and have lots of bulletproof evidence.

Could it be bullshit? Course it could, but all of the oddities of the skull's physiology alone are enough to force some searching questions (and if anyone wants to start talking about cradleboarding, hydroencephalitis or similar, I'd encourage you to actually read (http://www.starchildproject.com/reports_11Experts.htm) Lloyd's site, as there's much evidence from many qualified people that the deformities cannot be the result of various diseases), when taking into account the initial DNA results (mother's DNA easily recoverable, father's entirely unrecoverable), it only lent more weight to the idea that the father was of unusual origin. If nothing's happened within a few months of this, i.e. the geneticist and lab haven't gone public, I'll grant a bullshit call on this, but for now, this is the most convincing physical evidence yet of extraterrestrials on Earth. 900 years ago.

Introductory video from Pye, there's a fair bit more from him on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/v/EynQ5EEf7IM

[madfranks]

Wow, that's fascinating. Reminds me of Genesis chapter 6, "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

[Ares]

They had that skull on the history channel. They even had a guy do facial reformation by using a plaster mold. He had to make a number of guesses because the bottom jaw was missing. But even after he was done, the thing looked like a grey alien with human eyes.

[Nordmann]

http://www.stargods.org/AkhenatenSkull.jpg

http://www.alhsa.com/forum/imgcache2/212105.gif

http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg

http://www.catchpenny.org/images/alien1.gif

[uranian]

i've seen the episode i think on history channel, another on monster quest. they tend to ignore the basic facts (http://www.starchildproject.com/reports_11Experts.htm), e.g. on monster quest, the resident "expert" on skulls just said "encephalitis". this ignores the fact that the sutures in the skull are normal (doesn't happen with encephalitis) and that there's no erosion of the inner skull (normal with that disease). not to mention the fact that the skull has no sinus cavity, that the optic nerves enters the skull at an entirely different place with the eyeball, etc. essentially the job of TV is to show a reasonable face while covering all the real information. there was due to be a piece in the MSM newspapers a few months ago, stopped at the last minute with no reason. that's why i think the DNA evidence is so compelling, it's incontravertible proof that a parent of whoever's shoulders that skull sat on wasn't from earth. i'm looking forward to lloyd and geneticist releasing the info that will make this unarguably the case.

[uranian]

nordmann, those "cone head" skulls are also interesting. the brain capacity is double that of a human, again that's not cradleboarding! if anyone had the cash to DNA test them, i suspect the results would be the same, but given that noone has yet done it, the starchild skull is the best hope for actual proof of ET, i think.

snakker du norsk, btw?

[Nordmann]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qahtxHx_x4&feature=player_embedded

Våre veier har krysset før Uranian, selvsagt snakker jeg norsk med et nick som Nordmann.

Norge, Heil & sæl.

[uranian]

i think i know who y'are then, though i'll leave it up to you to reveal your previous regal status ;)

[Nordmann]

I dont think you need to be Sherlock Holmes in order to figure me out, ;D

23 sec out in the video, that's where the snacks begins, ignore the Obama bs.

[Ash_Williams]

Why the hell do they have to call it a "starchild"? It's just so corny.

[uranian]

given its size, it was originally thought to be a child. its father is likely not from the sol system. but i'll grant you some added cheese!

[uranian]

i think freeman is the originator of the obama = pharoah clone idea, not too sure what to make of that!

relevant to the discussion is the below vid, it's being censored apparently by youtube, only way i could watch it was to download it then play it (tried through 2 browsers 2 different times). essentially it's about a woman who was worked with a lot of abductees/experiencers and how she met a reptillian herself, who pretty much just made the point that there are a lot of different races out there with many different agendas, from benevolent to malevolent, and differences even within races, i.e. while it's probably fair to say that a lot of the reptillians have had a non human-friendly agenda, it's not always the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHvmia0p2g

as ever i know this is out there for most, so harvard psychology professor john mack on the abduction phenomena is a useful watch if PhDs and universities incline you to believe a person's words more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5RSAfwxGw

[uranian]

new to me, the "human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree", to quote science magazine (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/292/5523/1848). that's about 2/3 of the genes that separate homo sapiens from a chimpanzee, given that we share almost 99% of our DNA structure (approx. 30,000 genes) with chimps. the humble lungfish (http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2004/07/humanrecipes/) has 40 times as many genes as humans do.

113 genes (out of the 223) are widespread among bacteria, though they are entirely absent even in invertebrates. an analysis of the proteins which the genes express showed that out of 35 identified, only ten had counterparts in vertebrates (ranging from cows to rodents to fish); 25 of the 35 were unique to humans. there is talk of lateral transfer of genes (i.e. rather than genes being passed from parent to child, they are transferred by some other means, such as parasite to host), but even if is true (there is increasing evidence (http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?start=20&q=%22lateral+gene+transfer%22+evidence&hl=en&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=2008&as_vis=1) that this can happen), there is no getting around that humans have 25 proteins found in no other creature on earth. which raises some questions about where they come from.

also interesting is that DNA appears to be a form of language (http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2001/04/04/133634.htm):


According to the linguists, all human languages obey Zipf's Law. It's a really weird law, but it's not that hard to understand. Start off by getting a big fat book. Then, count the number of times each word appears in that book.

You might find that the number one most popular word is "the" (which appears 2,000 times), followed by the second most popular word "a" (which appears 1,800 times), and so on. Right down at the bottom of the list, you have the least popular word, which might be "elephant", and which appears just once.

Set up two columns of numbers. One column is the order of popularity of the words, running from "1" for "the", and "2" for "a", right down "1,000" for "elephant". The other column counts how many times each word appeared, starting off with 2,000 appearances of "the", then 1,800 appearances of "a", down to one appearance of "elephant".

If you then plot on the right kind of graph paper, the order of popularity of the words, against the number of times each word appears you get a straight line! Even more amazingly, this straight line appears for every human language - whether it's English or Egyptian, Eskimo or Chinese! Now the DNA is just one continuous ladder of squillions of rungs, and is not neatly broken up into individual words (like a book).

So the scientists looked at a very long bit of DNA, and made artificial words by breaking up the DNA into "words" each 3 rungs long. And then they tried it again for "words" 4 rungs long, 5 rungs long, and so on up to 8 rungs long.

They then analysed all these words, and to their surprise, they got the same sort of Zipf Law/straight-line-graph for the human DNA (which is mostly introns), as they did for the human languages!

There seems to be some sort of language buried in the so-called junk DNA! Certainly, the next few years will be a very good time to make a career change into the field of genetics.

makes you wonder what the 97% of our DNA that is considered junk is about.

final word to francis crick, as he put forward the theory (http://bill.srnr.arizona.edu/classes/182/Lecture%202007-04.htm) that an advanced civilisation transported the seeds of life in a spacecraft, aka transpermia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia#Directed_panspermia). there is some evidence (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn725) for this. there's a building body of evidence for life on mars (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/johnson/news/releases/2009/J09-030.html), too.

[JDRock]

...facinating... i agree madfranks...eerily similar.

[uranian]

biblical stuff which i find suggestive:


Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;


Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil


Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech


Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?"

for a monotheistic religion, there's a lot of us and our in there. in addition, the term "elohim" is plural, i.e. means gods, so accurately translated, the bible says things like "In the beginning gods created the heaven and the earth." which in turn reminds of arthur c clarke's quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

[Ponce]

I would hated it for them to check my DNA......... I am probably not even from this solar system.

[uranian]

latest info on the DNA work:


Our geneticist is still making great headway within his limited capacity to do only shotgun sequencing rather than working on a powerful 454 machine. (He can recover only a few hundred nucleotides per run, while the 454 secures one million per run!) As he works, odd wrinkles pop up. In addition to what he's found previously (nucleotide strings from a human, and some from nothing on Earth), he's also found strings that belong to other Earthly creatures, from dogs to zebra fish. This is not alarming because humans share 75% of our DNA with dogs, even though dogs have 78 chromosomes and we have only 46.

Don't be surprised if he finds banana or fruit fly strings. We share 50% of our genome with them, among many other unusual genetic connections. All of life on Earth--which should equate with life throughout the universe--is a mishmash of genes that makes us all as intimitately connected as it is possible to be. So our geneticist's real work will come after we provide him with access to a 454 machine so he can recover the entire genome.

We all have to keep in mind that he has a normal full-time job that he has to pursue, and he does his Starchild work in spare time and on weekends. That won't change until we can afford to contract with his lab to hire him. Then he will be able to concentrate on the Starchild and run it through a 454 machine, after which its entire genome can be sequenced in about two months.

Lloyd is off on the road soon to try to source the funding to get this done properly. I think it's in the region of $250,000 to get the bare bones work of the DNA testing done.

[Spectrism]

Your call of BS is about right.

There is no excuse for them not having already tested the dna... and yet the title of this thread implies they did.

How about looking at modern day living examples of these "star children"?

http://www.amitbhawani.com/health/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Progeria-Disease.png

http://rationalrevolution.net/images/progeria.jpg

[Book]

I would hated it for them to check my DNA....


http://www.mazornet.com/genetics/

:oo-->

[undgrd]

It's amazing a quarter of a million dollars is holding this up.

[uranian]

spectrism, i understand that you have a religious dogma to defend, so i'll not bother arguing. but be aware that they have done DNA testing on the starchild skull, and it contains DNA never found on earth, while all those kids with progeria are human. i don't want to see this thread descend to flaming, so feel free to put me on ignore or never darken your monitor screen with this thread again.

undgrd, agreed, it's not a lot of money by today's standards, and the potential payback...more than few history books.

[StackerKen]

my 2 cents


I don't see evidence of extraterrestrials on Earth as being in conflict with the truths of the Bible at all.

[StackerKen]

also interesting is that DNA appears to be a form of language



Yes. I agree it is very interesting. DNA is fascinating.

[jedemdasseine]

Don't be too impressed by the adherence to Zipf's law. Many natural phenomena follow Zipf's law and other similar statistical laws, fields as disparate as fractal geometry and city planning. I believe there is indeed a link, yet one should be mindful of what exactly that link means.

However, what I find interesting about DNA is that is has a general crystalline pattern. Crystals have very specific resonance patterns, which implies that DNA responds to specific frequencies, as all crystalline structures do. Think harmonics and discordance. It's like a kind of music. Map someone's DNA, determine his frequency or "note," and then use an implant or other device to trigger specific responses on a cellular level.

I do suspect that there is much information hidden in junk DNA. Perhaps regarding taboo information about the origins of Man.

Interesting stuff.

Keep it coming.

[Spectrism]

spectrism, i understand that you have a religious dogma to defend, so i'll not bother arguing. but be aware that they have done DNA testing on the starchild skull, and it contains DNA never found on earth, while all those kids with progeria are human. i don't want to see this thread descend to flaming, so feel free to put me on ignore or never darken your monitor screen with this thread again.

undgrd, agreed, it's not a lot of money by today's standards, and the potential payback...more than few history books.


Ooops... sorry to offend. I didn't mean to derail the investigation. I went back and read the post more closely. Yes- it is interesting. I am just suspicious of "scientists".

Ken made a mention that this is not necessarily contradictory with the bible... and I agree. In fact, the wipe out of the giants (and maybe others) in the time of Noah's flood, could arguably refer to such "alien" interbreeding. The identity of the aliens, however, is debtable.

Here is the reference-


Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

[Awoke]

spectrism, i understand that you have a religious dogma to defend, so i'll not bother arguing. but be aware that they have done DNA testing on the starchild skull, and it contains DNA never found on earth, while all those kids with progeria are human. i don't want to see this thread descend to flaming, so feel free to put me on ignore or never darken your monitor screen with this thread again.

undgrd, agreed, it's not a lot of money by today's standards, and the potential payback...more than few history books.


Spectrism is a friend (Online) and I myself am a Christian, but I just wanted to tell you that I think you handled that very nicely with that post.
Good job.

IMO, our galaxy (nevermind the entire universe) is too big for us to be the only living intelligent sentient beings. However, although I believe in extra-terrestrial life, I also believe it is all Gods creation.

[uranian]

I am just suspicious of "scientists".

a well-founded suspicion, i'd say.

i'm not christian, but i find it provocative that the vatican have been out there so much lately about ET. they've gone so far as to hold conferences (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/10/vatican-holds-conference-on-extraterrestrial-life/) on ET life. i suspect they know the jig is up and that disclosure is just a matter of time, and are preparing their followers.

[Ares]

spectrism, i understand that you have a religious dogma to defend, so i'll not bother arguing. but be aware that they have done DNA testing on the starchild skull, and it contains DNA never found on earth, while all those kids with progeria are human. i don't want to see this thread descend to flaming, so feel free to put me on ignore or never darken your monitor screen with this thread again.

undgrd, agreed, it's not a lot of money by today's standards, and the potential payback...more than few history books.


Spectrism is a friend (Online) and I myself am a Christian, but I just wanted to tell you that I think you handled that very nicely with that post.
Good job.

IMO, our galaxy (nevermind the entire universe) is too big for us to be the only living intelligent sentient beings. However, although I believe in extra-terrestrial life, I also believe it is all Gods creation.


I am not be a Christian but I most certainly believe in god, and that this universe is way too massive to not be a creation of the Divine. To have just 1 species who is conscience on this tiny blue marble would be a tragedy.

[StackerKen]

I guess it wouldn't too far "off topic" the tell this really strange story here..



My older brother (a Christian) Claims he was abducted by extraterrestrials when he was a youngster. Recently my sister (also Christian) admitted she saw it happen to him. Which makes it even stranger, but more believable . I slept though it all.

My brother recently told me that they still come to visit him sometimes.
(I didn't know what to think) I asked him to tell me more. I asked him what they want.
He said he doesn't know what they want. But they told him that they worship the same God we do and that they are surprised that God chose Earth as the place to send his son.

He also told me that they said they had visited JFK and told him the same thing.


John F. Kennedy knew of extraterrestrials and wrote a memo to CIA to release information just 12 days before his assassination
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/540748


Strange...I know...But I don't think he would make this stuff up...and i Know my sister wouldn't.

So im not sure what to think. :conf:

[uranian]

ken, there are estimates that as much as 10% of the US population have experienced something similar. many put it down to dreams/hallucinations etc. (as this frequently happens in the not so physical realm, while a lot of people have a hard time even considering that physicality is not all that there is). the youtube vid i linked to with john mack is a good start in investigating abductions.

it's been my experience with this subject that if you talk openly about it, people's immediate/programmed reaction is laughter/oooh isn't that for the crazies. but then a surprising amount of people will then start telling you "well, when i were fishin' down lakes 3 years back" type stories about having seen UFOs/whatever else. it is a huge phenomenon going on that is hidden because the MSM never cover the abduction side at all. UFOs are getting more coverage now, but the very mention of a friendly abduction experience (bit of a misnomer, i know, but that's how some report it) is enough to see youtube accounts deleted immediately.

[DMac]

Ken,

This phenomena has been going on for centuries. Of course, mainstream science calls bullshit. Not so mainstream science has found some very interesting parallels with the abduction phenomena over the centuries.


In the dark--middle ages children were abducted by "fairies" and "elves". If you really dig into some of the stories regarding this stuff it will shock you. Documented cases from a couple hundred years ago of a child being taken and arriving back at the same spot, unaged, decades in the future. Sounds completely mad, I know, but I do not rule it out 100%. Truth is stranger than fiction.

A couple of books if you care to research this phenomena further. I have not read the first one, though I am interested. It is really hard to get information that isn't tainted. One such scientist chose to go down this rabbit hole, Jacques Vallee. This is probably his most famous book:

Passport to Magonia: On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds
http://www.amazon.com/Passport-Magonia-Folklore-Parallel-Worlds/dp/0809237962

I have read Supernatural. It was a great book. Hancock mentions several researchers that have tried to really analyze this stuff, including Vallee.


Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind
http://www.amazon.com/Supernatural-Meetings-Ancient-Teachers-Mankind/dp/1932857400

[chud]

I have had a strong feeling for about the past year or so that something big is going to happen regarding all this. Some kind of announcement or event.

[uranian]

what is holding up disclosure to my mind isn't actually announcing ETs are real and here, as i think a lot of people wouldn't be hugely surprised by that. it's more that the interaction between the not so friendly ETs and human government (this reaches back to the nazi era, i think, see joseph farrell for more) will expose what the humans have allowed and done. think hollie grieg, paedophile satanism, bohemian grove et al. while that's going to be tough to find out for the sleeping masses, it's going to be even tougher if you're one of the guys who've been doing it.

[Ponce]

Scientists are somehow similar to poleticians where they see and find only what is in their interest......

Book? OUCHHHHHHHH that hurts hehehheeheheh.

[undgrd]

what is holding up disclosure to my mind isn't actually announcing ETs are real and here, as i think a lot of people wouldn't be hugely surprised by that. it's more that the interaction between the not so friendly ETs and human government (this reaches back to the nazi era, i think, see joseph farrell for more) will expose what the humans have allowed and done. think hollie grieg, paedophile satanism, bohemian grove et al. while that's going to be tough to find out for the sleeping masses, it's going to be even tougher if you're one of the guys who've been doing it.


We'd also have to redefine "illegal alien"
;D

[I am me, I am free]

essentially it's about a woman who was worked with a lot of abductees/experiencers and how she met a reptillian herself, who pretty much just made the point that there are a lot of different races out there with many different agendas, from benevolent to malevolent, and differences even within races, i.e. while it's probably fair to say that a lot of the reptillians have had a non human-friendly agenda, it's not always the case.

This notion about the different races of so-called 'ETs' and their varied intentions is the same thing that abductee and former DoD Controlled Remote Viewer Lynn Buchanan asserts.

[greenbear]

biblical stuff which i find suggestive:


Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;


Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil


Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech


Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?"

for a monotheistic religion, there's a lot of us and our in there. in addition, the term "elohim" is plural, i.e. means gods, so accurately translated, the bible says things like "In the beginning gods created the heaven and the earth." which in turn reminds of arthur c clarke's quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

"Us, our" is the Trinity.
Reply #39
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1999.0

[uranian]

latest DNA testing is suggesting that the starchild was actually a full ET, carried by a human mother to term. interesting that it was found with a human skeleton in something of an embrace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moEYqLdupIA

[Phoenix]

new to me, the "human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree", to quote science magazine (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/292/5523/1848). that's about 2/3 of the genes that separate homo sapiens from a chimpanzee, given that we share almost 99% of our DNA structure (approx. 30,000 genes) with chimps.


That's only valid if you "believe in" Darwinian evolution. Perhaps God added the genes by design? Nah, couldn't be that.

I have to really laugh. Someone who <a href="http://gold-silver.us/forum/board-communications/uranian/msg92518/#msg92518">whines about "white supremacists" at GS-US</a> has no problem believing in "extraterrestrial engineering of humans." Which has more evidence, more overt, undeniable evidence, the "superiority" of White cognitive abilities and culture, or, Martians in flying saucers making monkeys into men?

[Phoenix]

biblical stuff which i find suggestive:


Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;


Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil


Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech


Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?"

for a monotheistic religion, there's a lot of us and our in there. in addition, the term "elohim" is plural, i.e. means gods, so accurately translated, the bible says things like "In the beginning gods created the heaven and the earth." which in turn reminds of arthur c clarke's quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."


When I wasn't a Christian, I found the plural in Genesis to be odd, and naively believed it to be "proof" that the Bible was BS.

Now, as a Christian, I understand the Trinity, and recognize that "we/us/our" refers to God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit of God. If you can't understand it, don't dismiss it out of hand. The findings of quantum physics in the last century have proven the "impossible" are quite possible despite our senses' inability to explain or even contemplate them. God does exist as "Three in One," and this is not "disproven" because humans are unable to wrap their inferior understanding around it.

[Phoenix]

the starchild skull is the best hope for actual proof of ET, i think.


High stakes gambling, there. Many evolutionists placed their "best hopes" for "actual proof" of evolution in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man">Piltdown Man</a>, among others.

[Phoenix]

spectrism, i understand that you have a religious dogma to defend, so i'll not bother arguing....i don't want to see this thread descend to flaming, so feel free to put me on ignore or never darken your monitor screen with this thread again.


Evolution and "extraterrestrial engineering of monkeys into men" are tenets of your own religion.

Spectrism pointed out valid, contrary evidence to your own religious beliefs, and you get mad at him.

[Phoenix]

I am just suspicious of "scientists".

a well-founded suspicion, i'd say.

i'm not christian, but i find it provocative that the vatican have been out there so much lately about ET. they've gone so far as to hold conferences (http://www.universetoday.com/2009/11/10/vatican-holds-conference-on-extraterrestrial-life/) on ET life. i suspect they know the jig is up and that disclosure is just a matter of time, and are preparing their followers.


What is "up" is that the Return of Nephilim is upon us, and the post-Vatican II satanic entity calling itself a "Catholic Church" is in on "it."

"Aliens" are not from other planets. They're interdimensional demons. "Aliens" will come to Earth soon, posing as "grays" and/or "Nordics," and most people will fall down and worship them for their "advanced technology."

[Phoenix]

My older brother (a Christian) Claims he was abducted by extraterrestrials when he was a youngster. Recently my sister (also Christian) admitted she saw it happen to him. Which makes it even stranger, but more believable . I slept though it all.


If they ever come back, tell them to shout at the "aliens," "In the name of Jesus Christ (or Yeshua Maschiach), I command you to leave." They'll go away. Guaranteed. I am not making a joke.

Ignore the name of the website, and visit for more information (you'll understand the name quickly): http://www.freestickers.net/

[Phoenix]

ken, there are estimates that as much as 10% of the US population have experienced something similar. many put it down to dreams/hallucinations etc. (as this frequently happens in the not so physical realm, while a lot of people have a hard time even considering that physicality is not all that there is). the youtube vid i linked to with john mack is a good start in investigating abductions.

it's been my experience with this subject that if you talk openly about it, people's immediate/programmed reaction is laughter/oooh isn't that for the crazies. but then a surprising amount of people will then start telling you "well, when i were fishin' down lakes 3 years back" type stories about having seen UFOs/whatever else. it is a huge phenomenon going on that is hidden because the MSM never cover the abduction side at all. UFOs are getting more coverage now, but the very mention of a friendly abduction experience (bit of a misnomer, i know, but that's how some report it) is enough to see youtube accounts deleted immediately.


"Alien abductions" are very real, and documented with forensic evidence. Only, they're not "aliens." I recommend Jacques Vallee and John Keel, from the mainline UFOlogists, and Chuck Missler, for the Christian perspective, on these "alien" abductions. People ARE being molested by these "aliens," but they're not aliens: they're interdimensional beings, more commonly known as demons. These demons have done this across history. "Demon possession" in the past was fact, not fiction, and events back then and "close encounters" today are identical scientifically.

[Ponce]

Now I finally know why I have those two little antennas in the back of my head........hello, hello... can you hear me? ::)

[StackerKen]

My older brother (a Christian) Claims he was abducted by extraterrestrials when he was a youngster. Recently my sister (also Christian) admitted she saw it happen to him. Which makes it even stranger, but more believable . I slept though it all.


If they ever come back, tell them to shout at the "aliens," "In the name of Jesus Christ (or Yeshua Maschiach), I command you to leave." They'll go away. Guaranteed. I am not making a joke.

Ignore the name of the website, and visit for more information (you'll understand the name quickly): http://www.freestickers.net/


Phoenix; I tend to agree with you about "aliens" possibly being demons

My brother claims they have come back and Visited him. My brother says they look just like us. A couple years ago, he was In some sort of sleep paralysis and they came into his bedroom. They told him they worship the same God as us and Jesus is the son of God.
They told him that they don't know why Jesus chose earth as the place to reveal himself.
He also said the "aliens" visited JFK and told him the same thing and JFK was going to tell the world. But he was killed before he could.

It sounds kinda Laughable...I know...and I'm not sure if it really happened...But I know my brother...I know he believes it happened and I know he would not make this stuff up. and the fact that my sister admits to seeing them 40 years later...makes me think there is something to it. Both are Very level headed people.


I just don't know...But I know I would not trust them and I would check anything they told me to see if it aligned with scripture.


Jesus did speak of "another flock" in John 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

[the riot act]

Good thing I have my flame proof vest on....

Gen 1+2 KJV(note the numbers are Strong's)
1In the beginning7225 God430 created853, 1254 the heaven8064 and853 the earth776.

2And the earth776 was1961 without form8414, and void922; and darkness2822 was upon the face6440 of the deep8415. And the Spirit7307 of God430 moved7363 upon5921 the face6440 of the waters4325

H1961
היה hâyâh haw-yaw' A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist that is be or become come to pass (always emphatic and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon × altogether be (-come accomplished committed like) break cause come (to pass) continue do faint fall + follow happen × have last pertain quit (one-) self require × use.

So:
1 In the beginning God created, the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth became without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The earth has been around for a awful long time. There is plenty of evidence that this rock has been through many catastrophic surface changing events.

[Ponce]

the riot act? I am with you on your last paragraph........I think that when the poles melts some more many wonders of old will be found but we will know only what they tell us.