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MarketNeutral
9th April 2010, 03:16 AM
Recently, I was listening to Gerald Celente on The Jeff Rense Program on the internet, and Gerald mentioned that the previous weekend in the State of Virginia, almost 7,000 traffic tickets were issued in ONE WEEKEND!

Townships and states all across the Union are feeling the pressure of this Depression, so they are turning to police to help raise money through vehicle or traffic citations. Towns are installing surveillance cameras at intersections to catch drivers cutting a fast yellow light, running a red, not coming to a full stop, not stopping behind the line, etc. A camera catches license plate numbers and a computer sends the ticket in the mail. Pretty soon they'll just debit your checking account.

BEARS ARE MANNING THE SPEED TRAPS

Some townships, such as Medford Township, where I live in Southern
New Jersey, have lowered the speed limit on certain stretches of road, turning those roads into cash cows. I live very near one such road. Taunton Blvd in Medford, NJ has a 2-mile stretch that used to have 35-MPH posted. Now the speed limit is a crawl at 30-MPH. One morning around 9:15, I was sitting at the corner gas station at the intersection of Taunton Blvd and Tuckerton Rd and saw that the other three corners of the intersection had police cars with lights flashing like crazy while drivers were getting ticketed. The gas station owner said, "This has been going on since 7AM when I got here. One, right after another"

It is very obvious that, the local law is using traffic tickets to make up for loss of state and federal revenues. Last week I saw that my town will be raising school taxes because of a huge shortage of money from the State and Federal government. To make it up, the average local taxes will go up $300 per year ÂÂ* about $25 a month.

The very same day that I read about my real estate taxes going up, I saw this headline in USA Today

"Speeding 'cushion' may dwindle due to recession"

Here's the USA Today link

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-30-speeding-cushion_N.htm

The story has a lot of interesting statistics, but here's the bottom line. When you see a sign that says, "SPEED LIMIT" the word "LIMIT" means just that, "LIMIT" It doesn't mean 3-MPH, or 7, or 8-MPH over the limit. The "LIMIT" is THE LIMIT! The ticket book is coming out
and being used!

END OF ARGUMENT.

Where I live in New Jersey, a 45-minute drive could easily take me through 10 townships, each one with its police task force looking for the SLIGHTEST infraction of the law. ANY infraction of the law by the passing motorist!

FIRST TICKET IN 65 YEARS!

Here's a good one for you. My Mom and Dad live in a retirement community in rural Florida. It's quite common for the main road to have very little traffic. Dad's 81 years old, sharper than a tack, with excellent motor skills. He still thinks he's 41. They went to the grocery store one day and on the way out of the parking lot (with NO traffic in sight, BOTH ways), Dad didn't come to a FULL and COMPLETE STOP. Less that 1/4-mile down the road as they were turning into their community, all the sirens and lights were in his rear-view mirror. "What's the problem officer?" he asked. "You failed to come to a full stop sir. Here's your citation." This was his SECOND ticket in 65 years of driving. I said, "Well Dad, you were just overdue."

So, between the fine, court costs and a class he had to take to keep from getting points on his record, (if you get points, the insurance company wants to punish you too, even at 81-years of age) Dad made a $200 donation to his town. I said, "Gee Dad, that was VERY nice of you." He replied, "Yea, I'm SO nice."

"WELL, MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO BE SAFE..."

Now if you're thinking, "Well, if that's what it takes to make things safer on the roads for everybody, maybe it's a good thing." Look, I know that car crashes can be devastating. But nailing drivers for minor infractions is nothing more than a regressive TAX. This is the same "logic" I hear concerning everything we have to do today to get on an airplane. Where does it end? REAL strip searches? Maybe we should be shackled to our seats? There was one plan I read about a few years ago that would have required passengers to wear RFID bracelets with a built in Taser device. "Well, if it keeps us safe" Over ten years ago I read that cars would one day be equipped with a camera that aimed at your eyes that would report to the authorities if your eyes weren't looking straight ahead and listening devices that will make sure your not arguing with someone. Can't have distractions, you know. For those with GM's OnStar systems, police can shut off your car if they choose. So where does it end?

And unfortunately the lower your income, the larger the impact will be for simply not coming to a full stop or being 3 MPH over the limit. A $200 fine for someone with an average income is a minor nuisance. The same fine for someone just eking by could mean not being able to buy groceries or medication. And you BETTER pay the fine or they'll put a warrant out for your arrest.

Having a Tough Time Financially? TOO BAD!

As this Depression continues on, and more and more townships struggle with their budgets, they WILL turn to this kind of regressive tax into income generation. And have you ever noticed that when government gets bigger, or new rules or fines are imposed, they never go away? They're permanent. So, if and when we ever get out of this Depression, don't expect townships to lower those fines. No way! They're going to start liking that extra money and they ain't about to stop that gravy train.

BE CAREFUL and PAY ATTENTION!

Look, times are tough and they are probably going to get tougher. Unless you are housebound or live in the city and only ever use public transportation, you have to use a car to get around. So when you're out going here and there, BE CAREFUL. PAY ATTENTION because your local police officers are no longer just "Keeping the Peace." Their Commanders have instructed them, "WRITE MORE TICKETS!" That means they're looking FOR YOU AND ME.





Who knew the "To Serve & protect" would
one day mean, "To Serve & Collect"?

To Serve & Protect

There's a common saying that's painted on many police cars that says, "To Serve and Protect." Perhaps it should be changed to, "To Serve and Collect." Police now have a new duty, to participate in tax collection. They start the process with a little piece of paper.

And one last thing. If you do get pulled over, you're GETTING A TICKET. Don't talk, don't try to explain or argue, unless you'd like a Taser experience. So, MOTORIST BEWARE! This is the only warning you're going to get!

Be careful out there,

K. Scott Teeters

www.FreeThinkingZone.com

Goldridge
9th April 2010, 03:39 AM
Speeding tickets are a form of tax. Nothing more. No contribution to safety whatsoever.

dysgenic
9th April 2010, 03:50 AM
Where I live they have a machine that goes around and reads everyone's plates, looking for expired registrations and such. They leave the ticket on your car if you are lucky, if not they tow your car.

Traffic citations= precrime= punishing someone for what they might do.

Ash_Williams
9th April 2010, 08:22 AM
People need to take a day off work and go to court to fight these things.

If you really want to screw the system, go to court and ask to have the trial adjourned. Find a reason or an excuse (there are many). Do it over and over. You may not beat the ticket but you'll cost them $1000 so they can give you a $150 ticket. They'll piss off after that. Or on one of those days the cop testifying against you may not show up - don't adjourn that day, they'll probably toss the ticket out if he's not there.

Ponce
9th April 2010, 09:52 AM
And that's why I have a on board movie camera in my pick up, it records all in a 45 minutes loop.

A couple of years ago I was given a ticket for speeding and I went to court because different excuses by the Sheriff Department it too seven months for the case to go before a judge. I forgot to tell Agnut about this.

The cop presented as evidence the radar gun and the fact that he "paced" me with his patrol car........so........I decided to have some fun.

He presented a document of inspection that said that the radar gun was working just fine and the date on the paper was from three weeks before....I asked him "How many times between the time that you gave me a ticket and now was the radar gun been inspected?".......he didn't know

Next question......me. "Before the present radar gun was there another model in use?"......
Cop. "Yes".
Me. "What was the model number"
Cop. "It was so and so"
Me. "Were you trained in the proper use of that model"
Cop. "Yes I was"
Me "And this new model number, for how long has it being out?"
Cop. "About three months"
Me. "And were you trained in the proper use of the new model?"
Cop "Yes I was"
Me "Will you please present to the court your certificate of the same"
Cop "I don't have it with me"
Me "In other words you were never trained in the proper use of this radar gun"
Cop "Yes I was, I just don't have the document with me"
Me "Sir, this is a trial and you don't have the evidence requested by me"

next line of questioning

Me, showing the ticket to everyone.

Me "Sir, it says here that you "paced me" for a while, it means what?"
Cop "That I went at your speed to see if you were speeding"
Me "In other words, you broke the law to uphold the law, is that right?"
Me fast like "Whitdrawn your honor"
Me "When was this particular patrol car was last inspect for accuracy of speedometer?"
Cop "I don't know"
Me "So, that means that it could off by exactly 12 miles per hour, right?t"
Cop " Oh no it should be good"
Me "But you cannot prove it"
Me again.............."Your Honor, it is not my duty to prove that I am guilty but the officers duty to prove that I am guilty, and he has not done so"

CASE DISSMISED........cop outside smiling "I'll get you nest time"

You have Perry Mason and then you have "Ponce Mason" hahahahahaahaha.

As I was walking past the people on the bench two of them said to me "Thank you"

dysgenic
9th April 2010, 10:04 AM
Where I live the cops are not required to show up for trial. One cop shows up in their stead for all tickets. Last trial I went to:

me: "your honor, does this court accept hearsay evidence?"
judge: "in this case, we do."
me: "then I ask the court for a recess. so that I can bring some witnesses back to the court at a later date to speak on my behalf, regarding what I've told them happened...."
judge: "not going to happen."
me: "then I object to the evidence presented against me, it's hearsay
judge: "overruled."
me: "then I ask you to recuse yourself as you clearly have a personal bias..."
judge (cutting me off): "baliff, escort this gentleman out of here. Get the hell out of my court."

Ponce
9th April 2010, 10:08 AM
Hahahahahahahahha, you know more about court procedures than me, that's cool.

Ash_Williams
9th April 2010, 11:04 AM
Where I live the cop doesn't have to be there, but normally they withdraw the charges if he does not show up. Otherwise the evidence is just the officer's notes. You can also ask for disclosure, which means they are to show you copies of everything that will be used against you (including those notes) and the names of witnesses, etc. So if you have already seen the notes it's pretty easy to come up with a defense to them that can't be contradicted by the missing cop.

The mistake everyone makes is going in thinking they can explain why they did what they did. Doesn't help a case to start off with a confession. You might be the "defendant" but you have to go on the offense.

PMan
9th April 2010, 12:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmXJk04W5RM&feature=related

Ponce
9th April 2010, 12:15 PM
Mr. Williams.........if your were to ask for all that BEFORE the trial then that would give them time to get ready.......better to play dumb (easy for me LOL) and wait till you are at the actual trial.

If this was a criminal case the adds are that I would have to tell them my line of questioning BEFORE the trial date but for a traffic ticket no.

Something else that I was going to ask was if the machine to check the accuracy of the radar gun was up to date, when was it checkout last and the proper documents as to when it was done..... didn't have to.

cedarchopper
9th April 2010, 12:26 PM
I got a ticket yesterday for making a perfectly safe and well timed left turn. The ticket is for Failure to Yield Right of Way...in a school zone. This is an almost $300 ticket.

The cop was stopped at a red light a block away going the opposite direct (and I knew he was there because I passed by him).

I make this left turn twice a day and know how to time my turns with plenty of margin of safety. I was well into the street I was turning onto before the car I turned in front passed behind me...he neither slowed down or braked. This was a moving left turn...and I wasn't even making the turn particularly fast.

He apparently did a u turned at the intersection and hauled ass to get me because I was not very far down the street when I saw him make a fast left turn and turn on his lights. He wrote me the ticket without hesitation. When he handed me the ticket I asked him if had good depth perception looking in his rear view mirror from 500 feet away...he said yes...and I have good video also. I said good because I'll see you in court.

I'm going to challenge this in court with a jury.

Ash_Williams
9th April 2010, 12:32 PM
Its never happened to me but others have reported that simply asking for disclosure results in a win for them. 99% of these cases are just people there to say "oh well I was late for work and my mom was sick" and the case will have nothing to do with radar or any other technicalities. So most of the time what is in the officer's notes doesn't even matter. The cop could say he was drunk and aimed his radar gun at a bird at the time and the person will still be found guilty. But when you request disclosure you are telling them that you are going to fight and you have some idea what you are doing so if there is something silly in the notes they may just drop the charges rather than try a case they know they will lose.

Also up here you can use inadequate disclosure as a reason to have a case thrown out or delayed so that's another advantage (then after enough delays have it thrown out because it's been too long). There's many angles you can play with it. In fact, if you ask for disclosure and they forget to disclose something you *know* they need to convict you, then you can object to that thing being brought up at trial and you're probably home free.

I do see the advantage to playing dumb as well. If they suspect you are one of the 99% of people who is not there to put up a real fight they could get sloppy and make a mistake.

But for the cheapest tickets the greatest victory isn't just winning, it's dragging the cop into trial over and over and making it really cost the system to give you a ticket. I was once asked after a trial by a prosecutor lady why I'd bother so much for a $25 ticket and I told her I was minding my own business peacefully and some cop invited me to play this game in this world by putting a ticket on my window and this is how I play. She looked shocked.

saint
9th April 2010, 12:35 PM
I have one of the "magic badges" mounted to my plate, a gift from a lifelong friend who is a detective.
The badge identifies me as family of a police officer.
This isn't a booster badge and it is fairly rare.

I have had numerous experiences where I blew through radar at 20+ mph - had a LEO jump on me with lights flashing, spot the badge and disengage with a wave in passing. Both local and state.

For the first time ever - I was pulled over for using a cell phone.
The officer insisted that he was going to ticket me and threatened to pull the metal badge off my plate.
I called my buddy and had him speak directly to the cop.
I barely got a pass.

It's getting brutal out there.

ST

Ponce
9th April 2010, 12:41 PM
You can "donate" $25.00 to the Sheriff Department here and they will send you a decal for your car rear window.........will save you many times.

dysgenic
9th April 2010, 01:17 PM
Question:

Do you know the proper procedure for asking for disclosure? (same thing as discovery?)



Its never happened to me but others have reported that simply asking for disclosure results in a win for them. 99% of these cases are just people there to say "oh well I was late for work and my mom was sick" and the case will have nothing to do with radar or any other technicalities. So most of the time what is in the officer's notes doesn't even matter. The cop could say he was drunk and aimed his radar gun at a bird at the time and the person will still be found guilty. But when you request disclosure you are telling them that you are going to fight and you have some idea what you are doing so if there is something silly in the notes they may just drop the charges rather than try a case they know they will lose.

Also up here you can use inadequate disclosure as a reason to have a case thrown out or delayed so that's another advantage (then after enough delays have it thrown out because it's been too long). There's many angles you can play with it. In fact, if you ask for disclosure and they forget to disclose something you *know* they need to convict you, then you can object to that thing being brought up at trial and you're probably home free.

I do see the advantage to playing dumb as well. If they suspect you are one of the 99% of people who is not there to put up a real fight they could get sloppy and make a mistake.

But for the cheapest tickets the greatest victory isn't just winning, it's dragging the cop into trial over and over and making it really cost the system to give you a ticket. I was once asked after a trial by a prosecutor lady why I'd bother so much for a $25 ticket and I told her I was minding my own business peacefully and some cop invited me to play this game in this world by putting a ticket on my window and this is how I play. She looked shocked.

Ash_Williams
9th April 2010, 01:29 PM
Do you know the proper procedure for asking for disclosure? (same thing as discovery?)

What you do in Ontario, the only place I've had experience doing this, is file a disclosure request with the clerk at the courthouse where your trial will be. The letter just needs to say that you are asking for disclosure of all relevant information and you can include specifics in it too. Asking for specifics can be dangerous though because you are giving the prosecutor hints and reminding them what to bring to trail. I use a template letter set up by a paralegal that is worded all nicely. Some courthouses apparently have their own pre-written form you can fill out, which is a trick, because that form only asks for specifics instead of everything relevant. If you just ask for specifics then you can't claim later that something else relevant wasn't disclosed.

dlm1968
9th April 2010, 02:11 PM
Another thing that works to get out of tickets is having a CDL license. My husband has been pulled over quite a few times for rolling through stop signs, expired tags, no seat belt, etc. Never has gotten a ticket yet. They see he has a CDL license and let him go so as not to mess with his employment. I have often considered getting a CDL for that reason alone.