The forum mods are demanding I remove my Sig link.

[striped_bear]

Just received a PM from WT demanding in a rude manner that I remove the link in my sig to my forum.

First of all, you could have asked me nicely. You didn't have to demand it in a rude manner.

Secondly, where in the rules does it say I can't have a link in my sig? I just went and double checked them. It doesn't say anything about sig links.

Thirdly, this is very reminiscent of what we saw at GIM2 where links to other forums and sig links were outlawed.

I'm posting this publicly (though note that I am not posting the PM itself publicly, as that would be a breach of the forum rules and I respect that) because I feel this is something that is important to everyone here.

Please note that I put the link in my sig the day after GIM1 collapsed, when I joined this forum.

Mods, please also feel free to go to my forum where I:

1. Link directly to Gold-silver.us in several different posts

2. Praise Gold-silver.us for its efforts and suggest people post there

3. Explain how my forum is not meant to be competition for the gold-silver.us forum, but is meant to be a complimentary service where someone can post something to the net in an archival way (read the intro on www.keepthis.net)

And feel free to also notice that my forum is a complete ghost town with zero active posters. If you think it poses a threat to this forum you are being paranoid. I made the place as a safe place to post information without fear of it disappearing (i.e: no censorship, never will be deleted, distributed backups).

And by the way, I set up my forums there before you guys were done setting up yours here. So I did not copy your forum layout, I mostly copied GIM1's.

My sig link has been there for a week. Why suddenly are you demanding it be removed?

[uranian]

does all sound rather too familiar.

[MarketNeutral]

http://www.memorylast.net/content/graphics/animated-gifs/cry.gif

[saint]

Bummer.

Admittedly - I am kind of surprised.

[dysgenic]

Let's see if the mods step up and do the right thing here.

[Nomen luni]

Not liking the sound of this at all. Deja-vu.............

Comment please mods?

[BillBoard]

Dude, it looks to me that the mods do not like or maybe fear a little competition.

The thing is that I am a little ambivalent my self between posting here or GIM2. I personally think they have nothing to fear if they leave people be, but you know, it is their "forum" and you shouldn't really expect anything unless it has specifically addressed and agreed to.

I was going to re-post some priceless GIM1 threads about money, when WT stepped in rudely and demanded to explain why I should be left to re-post the threads. Didn't feel like explaining to him the obvious, so I just left him shut down the thread.

However, if more of this heavy handed and rude moderation continues, I might just end up putting my own forum.

[uranian]

i see that WT closed the thread about the kol nidre today too, for no apparent reason.

[nunaem]

Don't kill the golden goose(freedom) WT!

[FiftySense]

Politeness doesn't cost anything to give, so what's up with the rude demand without any explanation as to why? This member obviously cross links which is a good thing for GSUS, so I don't get what this is all about either. Are we having a power monger moment or a bad day here? Keep in mind that this is what led to the dissolution of GIM2 and will happen again if unchecked.

[dysgenic]

If this isn't rectified, there is no excuse and/or explanation that will be good enough. I can't believe Madfranks hasn't even addressed it yet. Gaillo has EXPLICITLY told people that have admitted considering starting other forums to come to this forum with a link.

And I thought WT was no longer a mod? He DELETED a thread? That is also completely unacceptable. To JohnQ, Gaillo, and Madfranks- it's do or die time. If you don't fix this, it's a wrap and this site has failed its charge.
Your move.

[uranian]

the moderating i've seen so far has been reasonable (given the major caveat that i think mods should be user-elected, rather than autocratically imposed), with the notable exception of WT. i have to agree with dysgenic, if this isn't sorted out, it's game over again.

[Nomen luni]

Yep... have to agree with Dysgenic on this one.

This needs an explanation, because a lot of people came here because they won't stand for exactly this type of thing, me included. I have given WT the benefit of the doubt so far, but I have seen accusations of rudeness popping up from a lot of posters over different issues now.

[Book]

If this isn't rectified, there is no excuse and/or explanation that will be good enough. I can't believe Madfranks hasn't even addressed it yet. Gaillo has EXPLICITLY told people that have admitted considering starting other forums to come to this forum with a link.

And I thought WT was no longer a mod? He DELETED a thread? That is also completely unacceptable. To JohnQ, Gaillo, and Madfranks- it's do or die time. If you don't fix this, it's a wrap and this site has failed its charge.
Your move.



You didn't mean a single word of this Dysgenics?


For me there was one only one question that mattered when it came to this forum:

Were mistakes the result of errors in judgment, or were they intentional? Mistakes are inevitable and forgivable, GIM style evil plots to take over the world are neither. Based on the debacle at GIM1, many of us weren't sure what to make of the recent controversial bannings, moderator appointings, and rules announcements. Some of us, like me, are born skeptics and our natural inclination is one of brutal and relentless micro-analysis. (some would say over analysis)
Personally, I think this tendency to hyperquestion everything and everyone can be a good thing up to certain point. If a forum can handle the heat, so to speak, it strengthens its foundation and actually serves to foster trust (which is desperately needed based on what happened over at the evil empire) in the mods and ownership. As everyone knows, I've been outspoken in certain of my criticisms. I questioned ownership, certain mods, decisions, and actions. I wasn't the only one to 'cause trouble'.

The result of this 'drama' has been refreshing, however. I wasn't banned. I wasn't asked to shut up. The people that run this site let me have my say- even though we disagreed vehemetly. Would this have happened at GIM2 or even GIM1? NEVER. In poker it's called 'putting them to the test'. This forum has passed that test. I've been approached to start a new site, and although I did formerly consider the potential offer, I've decided to stick around here for the forseeable future. For myself, I'm bowing out of the nitpicking and hyperdissections. This forum has earned the benefit of the doubt from my end. I hope other members with similar predilections towards suspicion will consider this post.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=1181.0

Why should we listen to you now?

:D

[dysgenic]

Book-

So based on what I said that means that the mods have a right to blatantly LIE? Sorry, you and I have come to a parting of the ways. This needs to be rectified. It should have already been rectified. And WT needs to be stripped of any and all power to do anything other than tech support. Anything less is a rap.

[Book]

I'm posting this publicly (though note that I am not posting the PM itself publicly, as that would be a breach of the forum rules and I respect that)


Did you first try and also handle this quietly with a Private Message to WT or are you just splattering your version all over the forum to advertise your Gold & Silver forum?

:D

[Neuro]

I got a message from madfranks after complaining about WT (first complaint ever from me to a mod), that he has stepped down from his moderator status voluntarily. I know that he is in some sort of control of the forum software, but is he still moderating the forum? I can imagine that being in control of the software, gives him the ability, but if he voluntarily stepped down and still moderates, that means we are in his hands, and that is not a good thing IMO!

[WebTech]

Just received a PM from WT demanding in a rude manner that I remove the link in my sig to my forum.

First of all, you could have asked me nicely. You didn't have to demand it in a rude manner.

I was not rude I was very direct so my intent would not be missed

Secondly, where in the rules does it say I can't have a link in my sig? I just went and double checked them. It doesn't say anything about sig links.

We consider it spamming. End of discussion.

Thirdly, this is very reminiscent of what we saw at GIM2 where links to other forums and sig links were outlawed.

I'm posting this publicly (though note that I am not posting the PM itself publicly, as that would be a breach of the forum rules and I respect that) because I feel this is something that is important to everyone here.

Please note that I put the link in my sig the day after GIM1 collapsed, when I joined this forum.

Mods, please also feel free to go to my forum where I:

1. Link directly to Gold-silver.us in several different posts

2. Praise Gold-silver.us for its efforts and suggest people post there

3. Explain how my forum is not meant to be competition for the gold-silver.us forum, but is meant to be a complimentary service where someone can post something to the net in an archival way (read the intro on www.keepthis.net)

And feel free to also notice that my forum is a complete ghost town with zero active posters. If you think it poses a threat to this forum you are being paranoid. I made the place as a safe place to post information without fear of it disappearing (i.e: no censorship, never will be deleted, distributed backups).

And by the way, I set up my forums there before you guys were done setting up yours here. So I did not copy your forum layout, I mostly copied GIM1's.

My sig link has been there for a week. Why suddenly are you demanding it be removed?


You are a guest here, always remember that. Why was this topic brought up now. Because I haven't read any of your posts to even notice it.

[BullionVince]

I don't know WTF is up with forum mods trying to strip out links. Do you people not realize, it is good for your site to have incoming and outgoing links? That's part of the formula to increase your page rank. I never understood what was up with that. It's one thing if it leads to a malicious virus, a porn site, or something blatantly inappropriate. Relax with the link controls. You don't want to go down that road of censorship.

[dysgenic]

Book-

This is a very simple and very black and white issue. It is not difficult to fix.
All it would take is Madfranks to immediately post "you don't have to delete your sigline. I'll take this up with WT."
Problem solved. He hasn't said that. In fact, the silence is deafening in here.
Again, if this is resolved- fine (better late than never). If not, I won't endorse this. If you do, you are defending an indefensible position. I think you know that.

[striped_bear]

I'm posting this publicly (though note that I am not posting the PM itself publicly, as that would be a breach of the forum rules and I respect that)


Did you first try and handle this quietly also with a Private Message to WT or are you just splatering your version all over the forum to advertise your Gold & Silver forum?

:D


I PMed him and told him I would discuss it publicly. I already state in the OP why I did it publicly.

Look at my post count. I don't exactly fit the profile of one who posts in an attempt to spam links.

I also couldn't care less if people join my forum or not. I made it as a gift to the GIM1 community. Take it or leave it. I have nothing to gain from people joining the forum.

[MarketNeutral]

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10071/ibtlud9.gif

[WebTech]

i see that WT closed the thread about the kol nidre today too, for no apparent reason.


Yes I did and it will be reopened in a few minutes.

[dysgenic]

JohnQ-

If you get rid of WT, I volunteer to pay a new tech guy out of my own pocket for one week while we look for a replacement. He is a bad guy and he is ruining your forum.

[RJB]

All it would take is Madfranks to immediately post "you don't have to delete your sigline. I'll take this up with WT."
Problem solved. He hasn't said that. In fact, the silence is deafening in here.

He may be at work or having a beer at the local bar to forget about this drama for a few minutes.

BTW I think Stripe should keep the link, but come on, it wasn't taken down yet. Give the madman a chance to finish his beer.

[madfranks]

Just received a PM from WT demanding in a rude manner that I remove the link in my sig to my forum.

First of all, you could have asked me nicely. You didn't have to demand it in a rude manner.

Secondly, where in the rules does it say I can't have a link in my sig? I just went and double checked them. It doesn't say anything about sig links.

Thirdly, this is very reminiscent of what we saw at GIM2 where links to other forums and sig links were outlawed.

I'm posting this publicly (though note that I am not posting the PM itself publicly, as that would be a breach of the forum rules and I respect that) because I feel this is something that is important to everyone here.

Please note that I put the link in my sig the day after GIM1 collapsed, when I joined this forum.

Mods, please also feel free to go to my forum where I:

1. Link directly to Gold-silver.us in several different posts

2. Praise Gold-silver.us for its efforts and suggest people post there

3. Explain how my forum is not meant to be competition for the gold-silver.us forum, but is meant to be a complimentary service where someone can post something to the net in an archival way (read the intro on www.keepthis.net)

And feel free to also notice that my forum is a complete ghost town with zero active posters. If you think it poses a threat to this forum you are being paranoid. I made the place as a safe place to post information without fear of it disappearing (i.e: no censorship, never will be deleted, distributed backups).

And by the way, I set up my forums there before you guys were done setting up yours here. So I did not copy your forum layout, I mostly copied GIM1's.

My sig link has been there for a week. Why suddenly are you demanding it be removed?


Looks like the rule in question is #2: No spamming, or porn. Informational linking and posting is fine. Moderators will determine where to draw the line.

Let me figure out what's going on. I can vouch for your integrity striped_bear, I don't think you're spamming. I've seen another member's sig linking to some Lasik site and as far as I know he hasn't been given any hassle. My interpretation is that this falls under "informational linking". Let me open this up with the rest of the mods and get back to you.

IN THE MEANTIME, I don't want to hear about tyrannical moderatorss, dictatorial administrators, etc. We're working on it. It will take some time to bring to everyone's attention, discuss and make a decision. Please don't turn this into a flame war. I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for now, but if it erupts, I'm going to lock it until we come to a conclusion.



Book-

So based on what I said that means that the mods have a right to blatantly LIE? Sorry, you and I have come to a parting of the ways. This needs to be rectified. It should have already been rectified. And WT needs to be stripped of any and all power to do anything other than tech support. Anything less is a rap.


This thread was opened less than an hour ago - not all mods scout the site 24 hours a day, it takes time for these things to be discovered and cleaned up.

[WebTech]

I don't know WTF is up with forum mods trying to strip out links. Do you people not realize, it is good for your site to have incoming and outgoing links? That's part of the formula to increase your page rank. I never understood what was up with that. It's one thing if it leads to a malicious virus, a porn site, or something blatantly inappropriate. Relax with the link controls. You don't want to go down that road of censorship.


What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar.http://forums.keepthis.net/ anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.

[Percival]

I think its bad form to make a PM discussion public and call people out like this.

[WebTech]

I think its bad form to make a PM discussion public and call people out like this.


I agree and right now I am being as reasonable as I can.

[Book]

Again, if this is resolved- fine (better late than never). If not, I won't endorse this. If you do, you are defending an indefensible position. I think you know that.


Scroll up Dysgenic. The problem is resolved. Your "endorsement" is irrelevant...lol.

:)

[dysgenic]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.
2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?
3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?

[WebTech]

I PMed him and told him I would discuss it publicly. I already state in the OP why I did it publicly.

Look at my post count. I don't exactly fit the profile of one who posts in an attempt to spam links.

I also couldn't care less if people join my forum or not. I made it as a gift to the GIM1 community. Take it or leave it. I have nothing to gain from people joining the forum.


Just because you PM'd me and TOLD me you are going to discuss this publicly means that you did not wish to discuss this with me at all. You just disclosed the information enclosed in a PM. This is a ban able offense.

So in case you need me to beg you to remove the ling her I am on my knees begging you to remove it.

[I am me, I am free]

Dude, it looks to me that the mods do not like or maybe fear a little competition.

The thing is that I am a little ambivalent my self between posting here or GIM2. I personally think they have nothing to fear if they leave people be, but you know, it is their "forum" and you shouldn't really expect anything unless it has specifically addressed and agreed to.

I was going to re-post some priceless GIM1 threads about money, when WT stepped in rudely and demanded to explain why I should be left to re-post the threads. Didn't feel like explaining to him the obvious, so I just left him shut down the thread.

However, if more of this heavy handed and rude moderation continues, I might just end up putting my own forum.




I really don't see how anyone could regard posting the url of any other forum as 'competition'. Is this junior high or what???

[MarketNeutral]

http://russellarch.com/uploaded_images/dogs-722893.jpg

[striped_bear]

Looks like the rule in question is #2: No spamming, or porn. Informational linking and posting is fine. Moderators will determine where to draw the line.

Let me figure out what's going on. I can vouch for your integrity striped_bear, I don't think you're spamming. I've seen another member's sig linking to some Lasik site and as far as I know he hasn't been given any hassle. My interpretation is that this falls under "informational linking". Let me open this up with the rest of the mods and get back to you.

IN THE MEANTIME, I don't want to hear about tyrannical moderatorss, dictatorial administrators, etc. We're working on it. It will take some time to bring to everyone's attention, discuss and make a decision. Please don't turn this into a flame war. I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for now, but if it erupts, I'm going to lock it until we come to a conclusion.



Book-

So based on what I said that means that the mods have a right to blatantly LIE? Sorry, you and I have come to a parting of the ways. This needs to be rectified. It should have already been rectified. And WT needs to be stripped of any and all power to do anything other than tech support. Anything less is a rap.


This thread was opened less than an hour ago - not all mods scout the site 24 hours a day, it takes time for these things to be discovered and cleaned up.


Thank you madfranks.

WT: I put this discussion out in public because this matter concerns the entire forum, not just me. This is the same censorship that is happening on GIM2. If you have nothing to hide then discussing this in public should not be an issue, no private matters are on the table here.

I understand that you think the tiny icon link to my website should be enough. But it's not, that icon link provides no SEO value, and as you've said no one even knows its there. My site hasn't even been indexed by Google yet, and having a text link to it somewhere on the web is my best chance of it getting there sooner rather than later.

You think that it is spamming? Fine, that's your opinion. But you've just admitted that you haven't read any of my posts until today.

I suggest you click my profile and go read all of my posts. You will find that I have been outspoken about censorship and data destruction, and was one of the people who helped bring people over from GIM2 to gold-silver.us by risking myself there sending PMs and posting links. You will also likely find that I made quality posts, none of which are spammy in any way.

I think what's bad form is you demanding out of the blue that I remove my sig link, then getting upset that the whole matter couldn't be kept behind closed doors.

[madfranks]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.

Linking a site in a post is one thing, having a permanent link in a sig could be considered spam. Notice I said "could be". It's open to interpretation, that is what I/we are doing right now. We know you don't think it's spam, but apparently someone else does.



2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?

Let me clarify what exactly WT's role at this forum is, and I will get back to you. I agree it is confusing when a mod becomes an ex-mod but still moderates.



3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?


Obnoxious and (your interpretation of) destructive actions aren't against the rules.

[WebTech]

Thank you madfranks.

WT: I put this discussion out in public because this matter concerns the entire forum, not just me. This is the same censorship that is happening on GIM2. If you have nothing to hide then discussing this in public should not be an issue, no private matters are on the table here.

I understand that you think the tiny icon link to my website should be enough. But it's not, that icon link provides no SEO value, and as you've said no one even knows its there. My site hasn't even been indexed by Google yet, and having a text link to it somewhere on the web is my best chance of it getting there sooner rather than later.

You think that it is spamming? Fine, that's your opinion. But you've just admitted that you haven't read any of my posts until today.

I suggest you click my profile and go read all of my posts. You will find that I have been outspoken about censorship and data destruction, and was one of the people who helped bring people over from GIM2 to gold-silver.us by risking myself there sending PMs and posting links. You will also likely find that I made quality posts, none of which are spammy in any way.

I think what's bad form is you demanding out of the blue that I remove my sig link, then getting upset that the whole matter couldn't be kept behind closed doors.


striped_bear, the bottom line is you could have discussed this privately, you chose to make a public display about it by disclosing the content of a PM.

Again will you remove it please?

[Percival]

I think its bad form to make a PM discussion public and call people out like this.


I agree and right now I am being as reasonable as I can.
You will never be able to please everybody, dude, so just stick to your guns and do what you feel you need to do. I have admin and mod many sites myself over the years and the general rule of thumb is you will always be hated by about 70% of the forum no matter what you do they will find fault.



That said, to SB, it is bad form to call people out like this in front of others. How would YOU like to be called out in front of your friends, family, kids colleagues etc? I bet you wouldnt like it much so you shouldnt do it to others. This matter should be handed PRIVATELY.

[dysgenic]

Don't remove it, SB. Gaillo explicity stated that links are welcome in this forum.







Thank you madfranks.

WT: I put this discussion out in public because this matter concerns the entire forum, not just me. This is the same censorship that is happening on GIM2. If you have nothing to hide then discussing this in public should not be an issue, no private matters are on the table here.

I understand that you think the tiny icon link to my website should be enough. But it's not, that icon link provides no SEO value, and as you've said no one even knows its there. My site hasn't even been indexed by Google yet, and having a text link to it somewhere on the web is my best chance of it getting there sooner rather than later.

You think that it is spamming? Fine, that's your opinion. But you've just admitted that you haven't read any of my posts until today.

I suggest you click my profile and go read all of my posts. You will find that I have been outspoken about censorship and data destruction, and was one of the people who helped bring people over from GIM2 to gold-silver.us by risking myself there sending PMs and posting links. You will also likely find that I made quality posts, none of which are spammy in any way.

I think what's bad form is you demanding out of the blue that I remove my sig link, then getting upset that the whole matter couldn't be kept behind closed doors.


striped_bear, the bottom line is you could have discussed this privately, you chose to make a public display about it by disclosing the content of a PM.

Again will you remove it please?

[Percival]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.
2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?
3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?
Not cool dude, whats with the stoning of WT around here, the dude has put a lot of time and effort in to making this forum for all of us, why is everyone so fucking ungrateful?

[striped_bear]

I PMed him and told him I would discuss it publicly. I already state in the OP why I did it publicly.

Look at my post count. I don't exactly fit the profile of one who posts in an attempt to spam links.

I also couldn't care less if people join my forum or not. I made it as a gift to the GIM1 community. Take it or leave it. I have nothing to gain from people joining the forum.


Just because you PM'd me and TOLD me you are going to discuss this publicly means that you did not wish to discuss this with me at all. You just disclosed the information enclosed in a PM. This is a ban able offense.

So in case you need me to beg you to remove the ling her I am on my knees begging you to remove it.




Incorrect, I truly do wish to discuss this with you, but in public, not behind closed doors.

If you going to ban me over this, go ahead. Quite frankly if you don't see the value I at least try to provide to the community then you don't deserve to have me as a member of your forum.

Yes I am a guest here, and I've respected all of the rules. I partake peacefully in discussions and even advertise your new website here to others, because I thought it was a great place to hang out.

Goodbye? It's up to you.

[madfranks]

And striped_bear, the name of this thread should have been "A forum mod has demanded I remove my sig", not "The forum mods..."; you make it look like all of us are against you.

[striped_bear]

And striped_bear, the name of this thread should have been "A forum mod has demanded I remove my sig", not "The forum mods..."; you make it look like all of us are against you.


My apologies. I assumed that forum moderation decisions were made as a group.

[Percival]

And striped_bear, the name of this thread should have been "A forum mod has demanded I remove my sig", not "The forum mods..."; you make it look like all of us are against you.
The name of this thread should be "Iam sorry I fucked up and called out people on the forum when I could have just as well handed this privately and with tact."

[saint]

I will be pissed if we lose SB. >:(

ST

[RJB]

Thank you for watching General Hospital.

Stay tuned for another dramatic episode of Days of our lives...

[MarketNeutral]

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238512537_wantedgoodbyebullet.gif

[General of Darkness]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVoQfoU0dQ

[saint]

And striped_bear, the name of this thread should have been "A forum mod has demanded I remove my sig", not "The forum mods..."; you make it look like all of us are against you.
The name of this thread should be "Iam sorry I f*cked up and called out people on the forum when I could have just as well handed this privately and with tact."


Applause for you - take that Biatch.
Your trolling will be rewarded with applause from now on.

ST

[Ponce]

That's like when Gaillo posted "Rules from THE FORUM OWNER".....he should have said "Forum founders"..........one way is pushing and the other way is informing.

[Percival]

And striped_bear, the name of this thread should have been "A forum mod has demanded I remove my sig", not "The forum mods..."; you make it look like all of us are against you.
The name of this thread should be "Iam sorry I f*cked up and called out people on the forum when I could have just as well handed this privately and with tact."


Applause for you - take that Biatch.
Your trolling will be rewarded with applause from now on.

ST
THATS below the belt bro! ;D

[saint]

Thank you for watching General Hospital.

Stay tuned for another dramatic episode of Days of our lives...


I prefer As the Stomach Turns.

Man- I have to jump and this is getting good - somebody hit me up on my blackberry.

[Percival]

I will be pissed if we lose SB. >:(

ST

No way should SB be banned for this, I LIKE SB, but he or she could have handled this privately, I just dont like seeing people called out, I dont even make threads and call people out its just uncool.

[Neuro]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.
2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?
3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?
Not cool dude, whats with the stoning of WT around here, the dude has put a lot of time and effort in to making this forum for all of us, why is everyone so f*cking ungrateful?


The point is that WT is a piss poor moderator, something he has at least implicitly aknowledged himself since he at least publicly stepped down from moderating this forum after criticism, he may be a great tech guy, and have done a lot of work for this forum, but that doesn't mean he should moderate it... If he is going to continue moderating the forum I will seriously consider whether I will remain here....

[MarketNeutral]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Implosion_bomb_animated.gif

Implosion...

[striped_bear]

Alright guys, I have to leave for a while.

I am not going to remove my sig link. I'll be back later and if it says "you are banned", so be it.

I really enjoyed "message-boarding" with you all, and I must say I've learned a lot, and made some interesting friends on the way.

email is stillness.light@gmail.com in case anyone needs a way to contact me.

Godspeed !

[Book]

I've just set up a new forum, based on the principles of data preservation, safe community, and open discussion.

http://forums.keepthis.net

Feel free to join and help build the place into something interesting.


From another thread

:o

[nunaem]

Spam  /spæm/ noun, verb,spammed, spam·ming.
1.Trademark. a canned food product consisting esp. of pork formed into a solid block.

–noun
2.(lowercase) a disruptive, esp. commercial message posted on a computer network or sent as e-mail.
How is SB's sig disruptive?

In that it is attached to all of his/her posts? Wouldn't that make ALL sigs spam?

Or is it because it is a link? What makes a link more disruptive than text?

[WebTech]

I've just set up a new forum, based on the principles of data preservation, safe community, and open discussion.

http://forums.keepthis.net

Feel free to join and help build the place into something interesting.


From another thread

:o


And that is fine. Book

[Ponce]

As a matter of principal I am posting once again at his site.

A good forum (as this one) should never be afraid of giving out other forums names because we could learn somethings there that are not here.

[Ponce]

Just because I like vanilla icecream it doesn't mean that I also don't eat chocolate icecream.............when you eat to much of somethings you get bored of it or with it...........just ask a kid with a new toy.

[Neuro]

The point is that WT is a piss poor moderator, something he has at least implicitly aknowledged himself since he at least publicly stepped down from moderating this forum after criticism, he may be a great tech guy, and have done a lot of work for this forum, but that doesn't mean he should moderate it... If he is going to continue moderating the forum I will seriously consider whether I will remain here....


Add me to your list, This is the exact same reason i left GIM2.

No offense WT, I REALLY APPRECIATE all your effort in shaping the frame of this forum for all of us. but at times you act like a pissed off dictator. I understand the fatigue and stress that the startup of this forum gave you but why are you still moderating if you are not a mod anymore ? Why are you deleting stuff, rearranging the deck chairs and twisting arms is beyond me... Chill man, we're adults, everything's gonna be fine ! Relax, have a beer and let the moderators do their job while you apply your magic touch to the frame of this forum.


The thing is I would probably be a piss poor moderator too. But WT stepped down from moderating for a couple of days and everything was really fine, and now he is at it again, with this result... WTF is going on here?

[WebTech]

I repeat :

What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar. anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.

[dysgenic]

Why would you care if he posts a link in her sigline? Why are you pretending to be a moderator?
Madfranks-
Direct question: Are you ok with nonmoderators pretending to be moderators?




I repeat :

What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar. anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.

[nunaem]

I repeat :

What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar. anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.

OK, so it's redundant. But how is it disruptive?

[Percival]

On my own forum that I am admin and mod I only allow links in sigs that go to personal blogs and thats it. No links to other sites or forums etc, only personal blogs.

[Neuro]

I am not OK with it! This crap is ridiculous!



Why would you care if he posts a link in her sigline? Why are you pretending to be a moderator?
Madfranks-
Direct question: Are you ok with nonmoderators pretending to be moderators?




I repeat :

What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar. anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.

[Book]

I repeat :

What striped_bear and others do not get is that the link to her web site in right under the avatar. anyone who has taken the time to see what these buttons do would know that. So her link will always be there. Just not in the sig line.


http://www.tobaccobymail.com/images/Naturalamericanspirit.jpg

Bad-mouthing this forum while ADVERTISING her own gold-silver forum = SPAM

All this dramaticin-public nonsense talk about "Liberty" and "American" and "Freedom" is an old marketing trick...lol.

[Ponce]

I don't guys, this looks to me more like a pissing contest.......big deal about something so small.....I am out of here.

[cedarchopper]

Is the forum administrator a paid position or do you just take abuse for fun? What a bunch whiners.

[Spectrism]

I have no problem with someone posting a link in their sig... it does not bother me in the least. I don't know why anyone would get worried about such a harmless thing.

It reminds me of the member in the GIM2 forum who was posting the link to the lasik problems... no big deal. But they would not have it.

If there is some special problem with that, publically educate the uninformed like me. If not, then knock the harassment off unless you want this to be a ghost-town like GIM2.

[nunaem]

On my own forum that I am admin and mod I only allow links in sigs that go to personal blogs and thats it. No links to other sites or forums etc, only personal blogs.

Seems a little insecure to me.. But then I've never owned a forum.

[ximmy]

it's nice to know about other members forums and what else they are involved in... makes this place more interesting, a place where knowledge and fellowship can be increased.

[FiftySense]

WT, your illogical inflexibility regarding the wishes of members and quick trigger finger on deleting/closing threads and now the idea of re-posting said deleted thread paints a picture of instability for all to see. I had all but forgotten about GIM2 until I was reminded today at this heavy-handed moderating regarding something as trivial as a link in a sig line which would ultimately provide your site with more traffic. Apparently you are are not reading (or don't care) about other's responses in this thread who have encountered these same authoritarian tactics with GIM.

At first, I thought this would be a great refuge from the banstick happy GIM site, but now I see that there is no difference here. With respect to Gaillo and Madfranks, I believe these two are excellent moderators, but if I'm to stay it will be without silly restrictions and arbitrary rules which have nothing to do with logic.

Yes, I will remember that I'm ONLY A GUEST here. But if you continue to treat your guests like 6 year old children, then you aren't going to have any "guests" for very long. And by the way, without your "Guests" this site is nothing. So treat them with a little respect if you wish for them to stay. I've had it with this silly ass bull$*it from people that think that if they create a forum they can use it as a means of controlling others. And as far as the PM goes, i'm sure you would want to keep this private so that you can exert your will away from view of others scrutiny right? This topic is a very public issue as it concerns us all. And I actually hope you ban me for this post as it will prove your inability to get a grip on yourself.

But you don't have to worry about that anyway. I'll excuse myself out the door that you have already opened for me and others. Wish I would not have wasted my time here, but you live and learn.

(BTW, I apologize to you Dysgenic and Josey. You guys were right after all)

So long everyone, you can reach me at tribalsword@hotmail.com

FS

[aybesee123]

As a matter of principal I am posting once again at his site.

A good forum (as this one) should never be afraid of giving out other forums names because we could learn somethings there that are not here.


+1 here also. There is a difference between spamming links to goods you are peddling or trying to gain some adsense revenue and sharing a forum address. We should nurture the free flow of usable information not try and suppress it.

What started as a bastion of hope is quickly changing into something else.

[mamboni]

I think this whole matter has been blown way out of proportion. First, this is a new forum and the rules will no doubt be refined and honed over time. And rules are always subject to interpretation. Which leads to the second point: it is common courtesy, knowing the rules about no spam and the imprecise definition of what is spam, to ask the MODs for permission, privately preferably, whether you can post a link and where and how conspicuous. Ultimately, the owner of the forum has the final say.

Now SB took exception to WT's brusk manner in the PM. But by posting the link without approval, he opened himself up to rebuke. Those who say members can post links without preapproval are setting this place up for future problems. Every forum has to have rules of conduct or it degenerates into anarchy. And frankly, a little common courtesy and consideration is not a bad thing. Several members here are very quick to draw nefarious and dark conclusions, pass summary judgment and demand "off with his head." It would appear that according to these folk, a MOD is an evil control freak until proven otherwise. This attitude effects the tone of the entire forum, puts the MODs on a defensive posture, and eventually leads to the self-fulfilling outcome of MODs versus members. I don't understand this intrinsic animous towards the MODs. I am content to give them the benefit of the doubt and judge them and their actions in the goodness of time after all the facts are known. There is plenty of time to determine if a MOD has made a poor call. and hold him accountable. But for heaven's sake, even if he did make the wrong call, demanding severe punishment or banishment is rash and excessive. If I fired every physician who made an error of judgement, I would have no staff! Please people, give this forum time to grow and work out the kinks. Let us be slow to intiate public conflict - it sets a bad tone needlessly, and invites dissention.

And I'm sorry - posting the contents of a PM is bad form. Now if one finds himself in a situation where he is unable to reach an accomodation with the MODs through the PM process, he must choose to either go nuclear (post the matter publically and deal with the ensuing firestorm) or gracefully leave the forum in protest. I don't think the PM process was exhausted here because all of the MODs and the Owner should have had an opportunity to be involved via PM beofre going public. And there is a price to pay personally when you go public with a PM: few will confide in you in the future.

[saint]

Fifty -

I respect your decision - but that being said:
I dig your posts and I would like to see you stay.
Losing even one good poster sux and I think we are just working out the bugs.

Of course I will respect whatever decision you make,

Slainte,

ST

[Book]

And if you think "liberty" and "freedom" are nonsense then boy oh boy , you are definitely not in the right place...I suggest you leave this place before it hurts too much.


http://image.orientaltrading.com/otcimg/k656.jpg

Have some of your advertising "Freedom" wrapped in an American flag. You are being sold another gold-silver forum here...lol

:o

[Nomen luni]

Woowooowoooo.... don't go just yet, Fifty. This is still being discussed by the mods.

[Book]

Woowooowoooo.... don't go just yet, Fifty. This is still being discussed by the mods.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=962.msg9703#msg9703

[Percival]

On my own forum that I am admin and mod I only allow links in sigs that go to personal blogs and thats it. No links to other sites or forums etc, only personal blogs.

Seems a little insecure to me.. But then I've never owned a forum.
Its not that at all, its just if you allow one person to do something it sets a precedent for everyone else and then before you know it you have people linking to Stormfront, porn sites and all kinds of shit, Ive seen it happen over and over so I had to draw a line on my forum and I told everyone if you have a personal BLOG you can link to that but all other links in SIG LINES are out, use it for quotes, pictures, funnies or whatever else you would like but no links.

You have to understand if you let one person do something in time everyone will begin to take advantage of that and you set yourself up for all kinds of problems.


I think Mamboni has the right idea, ask a mod BEFORE you do it, get pre approval and let the mods handle it on a case by case basis.

[Neuro]

WT, your illogical inflexibility regarding the wishes of members and quick trigger finger on deleting/closing threads and now the idea of re-posting said deleted thread paints a picture of instability for all to see. I had all but forgotten about GIM2 until I was reminded today at this heavy-handed moderating regarding something as trivial as a link in a sig line which would ultimately provide your site with more traffic. Apparently you are are not reading (or don't care) about other's responses in this thread who have encountered these same authoritarian tactics with GIM.

At first, I thought this would be a great refuge from the banstick happy GIM site, but now I see that there is no difference here. With respect to Gaillo and Madfranks, I believe these two are excellent moderators, but if I'm to stay it will be without silly restrictions and arbitrary rules which have nothing to do with logic.

Yes, I will remember that I'm ONLY A GUEST here. But if you continue to treat your guests like 6 year old children, then you aren't going to have any "guests" for very long. And by the way, without your "Guests" this site is nothing. So treat them with a little respect if you wish for them to stay. I've had it with this silly ass bull$*it from people that think that if they create a forum they can use it as a means of controlling others. And as far as the PM goes, i'm sure you would want to keep this private so that you can exert your will away from view of others scrutiny right? This topic is a very public issue as it concerns us all. And I actually hope you ban me for this post as it will prove your inability to get a grip on yourself.

But you don't have to worry about that anyway. I'll excuse myself out the door that you have already opened for me and others. Wish I would not have wasted my time here, but you live and learn.

(BTW, I apologize to you Dysgenic and Josey. You guys were right after all)

So long everyone, you can reach me at tribalsword@hotmail.com

FS

Great Post!

So what is it forum owner and moderators? Just a guy who is tech savy and run amok? Or is this the policy?

[Book]

I think Mamboni has the right idea, ask a mod BEFORE you do it, get pre-approval and let the mods handle it on a case by case basis.


But but but if Greanbear followed Mamboni's common sense this two-page ADVERTISING thread would not exist...lol.

:'(

[Brent]

Percival makes a good point, if we don't censor sig lines then people could start linking to evil sites that don't agree with our opinions. That would be TERRIBLE! Oh the horror I can just feel the hate!

(we really need a sarcasm icon)

[Ponce]

Freedom you may have, but only when you ask me permission to have it.

[Percival]

I suspect you may be right, Book. It could very well all come down to trolling for new members when you think about it.

[mamboni]

Freedom you may have, but only when you ask me permission to have it.


You're old enough to know better than this, you old Cuban fart! ;D

[Brent]

I suspect you may be right, Book. It could very well all come down to trolling for new members when you think about it.


Yeah this must all be an elaborate blot by Striped bear to advertise their site. It is of course totally impossible that he/she just wanted to have a public discussion on the subject of links in sigs in order to clear the air on that particular matter.

No no, they must have an evil agenda to steal members from this site. Heck I bet even WT is in on it, striped bear is probably paid him on the side to send him that PM so he would have an excuse to make this awesome advertisement thread.

[mike88]

there is an excellent thread on stormfront about motorized bicycles, stay open minded and learn from whoever can teach.

[dlm1968]

Great post mamboni. Could not have said it any better.

A new forum is definitely bound to have some kinks that need to be worked out, and some do not seem to be able to let things get worked out without being drama queens.

[uranian]

Yeah this must all be an elaborate blot by Striped bear to advertise their site. It is of course totally impossible that he/she just wanted to have a public discussion on the subject of links in sigs in order to clear the air on that particular matter.

No no, they must have an evil agenda to steal members from this site. Heck I bet even WT is in on it, striped bear is probably paid him on the side to send him that PM so he would have an excuse to make this awesome advertisement thread.




i suggest a fresh conspiracy theory for entertainment value (wasn't going to mention lest anyone else take it seriously, but the thread is going downhill); G-S is in fact run by the same mods as run GIM2, and this has all been another psych experiment to see how we'll cope when this place goes to shit too, and with the intention of really losing everyone that made the GIM community entirely with the collapse of yet another board. indeed i propose goldistillmoney.info as the new board for refugees from this GIM3 entity :P

[Book]

Yeah this must all be an elaborate blot by Striped bear to advertise their site...


OP already declared the refusal to handle this privately via PM and INSISTED on this public dedicated thread to advertise the advertising issue via the advertising Sig link...lol.

:D

[Ponce]

mamboni? ..........WE DON'T FART.......we simply send out perfumed air :P

[Brent]

Yeah this must all be an elaborate blot by Striped bear to advertise their site...


OP already stated the refusal to handle this privately via PM and INSISTED on this public dedicated thread to advertise the advertising issue via the advertising Sig link...lol.

:D


So what? Maybe the OP thinks that it is relevant and that others might have the same question.

[MarketNeutral]

I suspect you may be right, Book. It could very well all come down to trolling for new members when you think about it.


Yeah this must all be an elaborate blot by Striped bear to advertise their site. It is of course totally impossible that he/she just wanted to have a public discussion on the subject of links in sigs in order to clear the air on that particular matter.

No no, they must have an evil agenda to steal members from this site. Heck I bet even WT is in on it, striped probably paid him on the side to send him that PM so he would have an excuse to make this awesome advertisement thread.




It is an old ploy that I have seen done many times in the past. "Create" a controversy. Drive members to your site.

The account profile has a section where you can enter a website. A signature is not a place to spam links.

[saint]

Say what you want - but we have all had a hell of a good time and nobody was banned.
Ripped a sort of mod - flame war - a real donnybrook.

Elsewhere we would've been tossed out on our asses.

[Ponce]

WT?......you know me and I am not an ass kisser, but.........if one of my troops in the field were to tell me this or that I simply would shoot him and that would be the end of it, and to hell with it.

YOU ARE A MODERATOR ACT LIKE IT........give your explanation one time and that's it. If they don't like your explanation then the member should send a pm to the founding father and that would be the final line of defence and the end of it.

By talking so much you are lowering yourself to their status of a common soldier and not of a commander......... with love and ass kissing ..... Ponce LOL

[MarketNeutral]

WT?......you know me and I am not an ass kisser, but.........if one of my troops in the field were to tell me this or that I simply would shoot him and that would be the end of it, and to hell with it.

YOU ARE A MODERATOR ACT LIKE IT........give your explanation one time and that's it. If they don't like your explanation then the member should send a pm to the founding father and that would be the final line of defence and the end of it.

By talking so much you are lowering yourself to their status of a common soldier and not of a commander......... with love and ass kissing ..... Ponce LOL


Your a freaking drama queen. You have all ready stated you are only going to post over there and you also have stated at least 3 times (so far) you are leaving.

[Brent]

WT?......you know me and I am not an ass kisser, but.........if one of my troops in the field were to tell me this or that I simply would shoot him and that would be the end of it, and to hell with it.

YOU ARE A MODERATOR ACT LIKE IT........give your explanation one time and that's it. If they don't like your explanation then the member should send a pm to the founding father and that would be the final line of defence and the end of it.

By talking so much you are lowering yourself to their status of a common soldier and not of a commander......... with love and ass kissing ..... Ponce LOL


Your a freaking drama queen. You have all ready stated you are only going to only post over there and you also have stated at least 3 times (so far) you are leaving.






You'll have to forgive our resident ego-maniac he simply can't help it. "Not an ass-kisser" LOL thanks for the laughs ponce.

[Stay Asleep]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.
2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?
3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?
Not cool dude, whats with the stoning of WT around here, the dude has put a lot of time and effort in to making this forum for all of us, why is everyone so f*cking ungrateful?


Wow, this is not just directed to this poster here. I am sitting back, reading all these posts and well, it appears that more than 70% of the people do not agree with WT. If WT would be simply be doing the tech work, which is what I thought he went back to doing, he would not be locking posts and such. So either WT is still messing with the posts, which would show he is not making an effort for all of us to have this forum or someone else is messing with WT's account and doing all of these PMs, removal of postings and such when he is not aware of it.

Seriously, when you are on a team or a leader of a team, you work together. I hear so many people wanting to work together, but they want to keep their sig lines and posts in place.

Our "mission statement" says "A forum for Gold, Silver & Liberty". Liberty is defined as freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice. I am not seeing a lot of that around here. So while we are looking at changing our sig lines, re-writing our posts, having our posts removed, or even the thread closed, we might want to rethink our "mission statement".

I am not saying this to stir anything up. I just figure if we are all upset with how things are going, we should just be more forth coming on how things REALLY are. Be honest. If you ban someone, say it. Close a post, own up to it. I mean we are having no shortage on telling one another on how we feel about what we see others doing. We just need to be honest. I am posting less because there is not much to post on that is not being said a 1000 times over. They just seem to not be being heard. Sad really.

[Book]

Your a freaking drama queen. You have all ready stated you are only going to post over there and you also have stated at least 3 times (so far) you are leaving.


MarketNeutral really knows his transactional analysis and nailed it...lol.

:)

[Ponce]

Mr. Neutral?.......I am truly lost as to what you are talking about...in public or pm please tell me as to what you are referring to..........thanks.

[saint]

Crap -

GF is calling, mates at the pub.

How can I check in via crackberry?

Lads would love a laugh.

[Horn]

I recommended for investigation due to this kind of persistence.

Also, I refuse to post here in this thread, as it could be handled elsewhere summarily. ;D

[Ponce]

LOL Mr. Wild........that sounds to me like Bush hahahahahahah.

[nunaem]

On my own forum that I am admin and mod I only allow links in sigs that go to personal blogs and thats it. No links to other sites or forums etc, only personal blogs.

Seems a little insecure to me.. But then I've never owned a forum.
Its not that at all, its just if you allow one person to do something it sets a precedent for everyone else and then before you know it you have people linking to Stormfront, porn sites and all kinds of sh*t, Ive seen it happen over and over so I had to draw a line on my forum and I told everyone if you have a personal BLOG you can link to that but all other links in SIG LINES are out, use it for quotes, pictures, funnies or whatever else you would like but no links.

You have to understand if you let one person do something in time everyone will begin to take advantage of that and you set yourself up for all kinds of problems.


I think Mamboni has the right idea, ask a mod BEFORE you do it, get pre approval and let the mods handle it on a case by case basis.

Very well. But if it is necessary to ask permission it should be included in the list of rules. I can live with written rules, it's the unwritten rules that turned so many of us off to GIM.

[Dave Thomas]

Crap -

GF is calling, mates at the pub.

How can I check in via crackberry?

Lads would love a laugh.


You sure they wouldn't just punch you in the mouth for showing them this thread?

[saint]

Crap -

GF is calling, mates at the pub.

How can I check in via crackberry?

Lads would love a laugh.


You sure they just wouldn't punch you in the mouth for showing them this thread?


Thats how we express our manly love for each other.
;D

[Grog]

Personally, I don't see the aversion to removing the link in the signature. WT already said it was OK for SB to have the link under the avi in the world-looking web link icon. Is it so hard to comply with that? Basically, he said to put it in the proper location. Fair enough.

On the other hand, I'd recommend that the site owners/mods put that into the rules if it is a rule. "No links in sigs, put it in the website section of your profile and it will appear in that manner. Links in sigs are considered SPAM." A little bit of documentation goes a long way to meeting expectations.

Just my .02

[Ponce]

I'd rather you guys hate me.......... :-X

[Dave Thomas]

Crap -

GF is calling, mates at the pub.

How can I check in via crackberry?

Lads would love a laugh.


You sure they just wouldn't punch you in the mouth for showing them this thread?


Thats how we express our manly love for each other.
;D


Oh right, Irish, I get it.

I'm 75% German and 25% Irish.

That makes it about 3/4rs guilt and 1/4 violence. Then about 1/10th of the "I love you man" at the end.

[dysgenic]

You have to laugh at the trolling accusations. Here you have a fake moderator overruling a real moderator, and all the acting moderator does is post a copy of the rules which has already been interpreted in the favor of OP before the fact. But we are just being dramatic...

[Grog]

I don't know WTF is up with forum mods trying to strip out links. Do you people not realize, it is good for your site to have incoming and outgoing links? That's part of the formula to increase your page rank.

No doubt. Possibly some lack of RTFM. lol

There is a reason the ad-rotating porn sites show statistics on links in and links out, and are concerned with that metric.

It isn't for the 'nifty' factor.

[carpediem]

1. Gaillo has already explicitly stated the links to other forums are welcome here.
2. Why is WT acting as a mod if he is not a mod?
3. What is there to discuss?

Instead of discussing whether or not to allow that link, which is a nonstarter, why don't you go discuss temporary banning WT for his obnoxious and destructive actions?
Not cool dude, whats with the stoning of WT around here, the dude has put a lot of time and effort in to making this forum for all of us, why is everyone so f*cking ungrateful?


Wow, this is not just directed to this poster here. I am sitting back, reading all these posts and well, it appears that more than 70% of the people do not agree with WT. If WT would be simply be doing the tech work, which is what I thought he went back to doing, he would not be locking posts and such. So either WT is still messing with the posts, which would show he is not making an effort for all of us to have this forum or someone else is messing with WT's account and doing all of these PMs, removal of postings and such when he is not aware of it.

Seriously, when you are on a team or a leader of a team, you work together. I hear so many people wanting to work together, but they want to keep their sig lines and posts in place.

Our "mission statement" says "A forum for Gold, Silver & Liberty". Liberty is defined as freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.; power or right of doing, thinking, speaking, etc., according to choice. I am not seeing a lot of that around here. So while we are looking at changing our sig lines, re-writing our posts, having our posts removed, or even the thread closed, we might want to rethink our "mission statement".

I am not saying this to stir anything up. I just figure if we are all upset with how things are going, we should just be more forth coming on how things REALLY are. Be honest. If you ban someone, say it. Close a post, own up to it. I mean we are having no shortage on telling one another on how we feel about what we see others doing. We just need to be honest. I am posting less because there is not much to post on that is not being said a 1000 times over. They just seem to not be being heard. Sad really.


Sorry for coming back, the discussion over here is just too stimulating to stay away sometimes.
I'd like to highly endorse this site, as it seems to have infinitely less censorship than this one. I can't say it will be my permanent home, but if anyone wants to talk to me without being censored, I will be over there!
http://forums.keepthis.net/forum

I'd like to say that I really love these types of discussions, because they show everyone's true colors in a tough situation.

I personally cannot speak for sure with regard to WT's status, BUT here is a post he made a few days ago :
Yup I no longer a mod, I'm a site Admin. phhhhhhhhhhhhhhhT

I got a promotion not a demotion. Now I no longer have to concern myself with whiney people.

You have two very competent and fair Moderators. If you don't like it here, please leave. Everybody here is over it. How about you?

Even though he has much more power now as a site admin, he still seems to be concerning himself with "whiney people" a good deal. Since Gaillo/madfranks don't want to get their hands dirty handing out permabans... someone else to step in and do it... and that someone is JQP/WT... I don't know if WT and JQP are the same exact person or not, but they might as well be...

I find it hilarious that 95% of the users here don't know if WT is a moderator, or an admin , or just a regular guy... but to be honest I'm not sure myself... and why would I be? It's not like such information is publicly available or common knowledge... talk about transparency

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[peachesinfla]

Just because I like vanilla icecream it doesn't mean that I also don't eat chocolate icecream.............when you eat to much of somethings you get bored of it or with it...........just ask a kid with a new toy.


If you hold it too much it might fall off. ;)

[Book]

I'd like to say that I really love these types of discussions...



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[dysgenic]

How about the irony of WTs claims that the sig line was 'disruptive'?? But it's not disruptive to pretend to be a moderator and demand for someone to stop doing something that a moderator has already publicly endorsed.

[Ash_Williams]

Just my two cents:

This place doesn't need the rigorous adherence to some 'rules of moderating' that a some people have come up with. A small link to some other place in a signature isn't spam and no one would consider it spam. As pointed out already the link will already appear over on the left, so what is the damage done by the link appearing in a slightly different spot? Who cares if it is to someone's blog or someone's forum?

We certainly don't need strange mod/ex-mod hybrids finding something they don't like for some reason, then finding one of the rules they can interpret into a fuzzy new rule against it. Anyone that read the rules would think it ridiculous to ask permission to put a link in their signature since it is clearly not against the rules. Are we going to start interpreting comments against a group to be personal attacks too? "Socialists are idiots" *BANNED*. Too reminiscent of old GIM before it started going down the shitter.

Yes we are all guests and can leave if we don't like it. I think we all understand that as we just left GIM because we didn't like it.

This kind of thing should really be cleared up right now. Is there a rule against posting links in signatures? If so, add it to the rules. "No links in signatures". If not, don't try to get all wishy washy and kinda make a rule against it sometimes for some people.

[Horn]

I have no problem with deleting this thread entirely.

[Dave Thomas]

I'd like to say that I really love these types of discussions...



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Tee Hee book that's ironic!

[ximmy]

I need that link again dysgenic

[Grand Master Melon]

So is this WT character a mod, an admin, a site owner, a tech nerd, a financial backer or what?

As far as I knew he had resigned his status as mod.

[nunaem]

Yes we are all guests and can leave if we don't like it. I think we all understand that as we just left GIM because we didn't like it.

QFT

[madfranks]

This issue needs to be ended now, so I'm going to end it. Striped_bear can keep the link in his sig, it's not big enough a deal to warrant such a mess as this. That being said, striped_bear is hereby warned that PMs need to be kept private, and taking them to a public thread, even without quoting the PM directly, is not allowed. Keep PMs private please.



Madfranks-
Direct question: Are you ok with nonmoderators pretending to be moderators?


Thanks, but I'm not taking your bait. JQP, Gaillo, WT, and myself are trying to work together to keep this site running as well as we can. You expect perfection, you won't find it in this life.


On the other hand, I'd recommend that the site owners/mods put that into the rules if it is a rule. "No links in sigs, put it in the website section of your profile and it will appear in that manner. Links in sigs are considered SPAM." A little bit of documentation goes a long way to meeting expectations.

Just my .02


If links in sigs gets out of hand in the future, we reserve the right to modify the rules just like this. After this drama, please people don't purposefully put links in your sigs to fan the flames. Be adults.

This thread is now closed.