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Gypsybiker45
9th April 2010, 06:33 PM
Firstly, Im not a supporter of the CSA at all, Im a Yankee,and proud of it, then I read this,What point is he trying to make? he has no slaves in his ancestry!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/293625

Confederate History Month fight: Obama rebukes Virginia governor


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Atlanta – President Obama has waded again into America's uncomfortable race debate, this time taking on a persistent view of the Civil War: that slavery was not what primarily caused it.
Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) invited an uproar after deciding to reinstate Confederate History Month without mentioning "slavery." That word had been included in previous Confederate heritage proclamations. (Governor McDonnell later apologized and added language that painted slavery as a cause of the war and as a "hateful" institution.)
"I don't think you can understand the Confederacy and the Civil War unless you understand slavery,'' said Mr. Obama, who sent a wreath, as presidents have done since Woodrow Wilson, to the Confederate Monument at Arlington National Cemetery last Memorial Day. (Moreover, first lady Michelle Obama is a descendant of Southern slaves.)
McDonnell's initial omission of slavery in his proclamation was "unacceptable," Obama said.
The president's statements, made to ABC News correspondent George Stephanopoulos, were an unusually harsh rebuke – reminiscent of his first comments on the controversial arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. last summer at his home in Cambridge, Mass.
Obama's entry into the debate about the Confederate legacy shows that the president, though careful, speaks his mind about race when he feels it's warranted. Indeed, says one expert on race in America, the subject of race becomes ripe for discussion after certain events.
"Race has been just beneath the surface of recent politics. So I think it's healthy to every once in a while get [someone like McDonnell] to set something up so it can be made explicit in a very safe context," says Thomas Pettigrew, a social psychologist at the University of California, Santa Cruz. "In other words, [race] is sort of the elephant in the room: No one wants to mention it, but every once in a while something comes along to make it possible to mention it."
But the damage has already been done, apparently: Blowback from Confederate History Month could affect McDonnell's national political aspirations, writes The Washington Post. And many black Americans took offense – not at the overall historical debate, but at McDonnell's original proclamation. As Mr. Pettigrew says, "The original statement by the governor sounded like, oh, what a terrible thing it was that the South lost and the implication that we couldn't still have slavery."
That's what Obama appeared to take away, too.
"It's just a reminder that when we talk about issues like slavery that are so fraught with pain and emotion, that, you know, we'd better do some thinking through how this is going to affect a lot of people," Obama said.
The presidential rebuke comes at an uneasy political time in America, only weeks after two black members of Congress accused 'tea party' protesters of launching a racial epithet on the Capitol steps. (Tea partyers deny the charge, saying there's no evidence from the well-documented event to suggest an epithet was used.)
To be sure, the rebuke could carry some political risks for Obama, especially among white independents in the South – some of whom helped him take Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida in the 2008 election. It probably doesn't help Obama that his cabinet is notably short on Southerners.
Then again, most of Virginia – and the South for that matter – probably disagreed with McDonnell's initial framing of Confederate History Month, says Pettigrew, himself a native Virginian. Virginia became the first state, in 2007, to apologize for the institution of slavery. Back in 1830, Virginia nearly became the first Southern state to abolish slavery – the law failing by only a handful of votes.
"The statement by the governor of Virginia was so extreme that this is a pretty easy shot for the president, and there's not much risk in it among the people who voted for him," says Pettigrew.
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crazychicken
9th April 2010, 06:41 PM
The Confederate Army fought with nothing, against overwhelming odds.

They didn't surrender, Lee did.

Honoring the Confederate soldier to me is a gimme!

I'm a northerner, advanced education at UK in Lexington, Ky

My family is combat wounded all the way back to the Revolutionary war starting at the Battle of Monmouth.

Doesm't change my opinion of the soldier in the trenches.

CC

Brent
9th April 2010, 06:41 PM
Freaking morons. The Civil War had little to do with slavery. Unless of course you are talking about wage slavery.

Gypsybiker45
9th April 2010, 06:44 PM
The Confederate Army fought with nothing, against overwhelming odds.

They didn't surrender, Lee did.

Honoring the Confederate soldier to me is a gimme!

I'm a northerner, advanced education at UK in Lexington, Ky

My family is combat wounded all the way back to the Revolutionary war starting at the Battle of Monmouth.

Doesm't change my opinion of the soldier in the trenches.

CC



exactly! what harm is it to have time of remembrance for ones past? leave the Johnny Rebs alone! thats what im seeing about WWII in that the past few years WWII history is being revised to that it was a Jew saving operation. WWII wasnt about saving Jews anymore than the Civil War was about saving slaves.

crazychicken
9th April 2010, 06:47 PM
The Confederate Army fought with nothing, against overwhelming odds.

They didn't surrender, Lee did.

Honoring the Confederate soldier to me is a gimme!

I'm a northerner, advanced education at UK in Lexington, Ky

My family is combat wounded all the way back to the Revolutionary war starting at the Battle of Monmouth.

Doesm't change my opinion of the soldier in the trenches.

CC



exactly! what harm is it to have time of remembrance for ones past? leave the Johnny Rebs alone! thats what im seeing about WWII in that the past few years WWII history is being revised to that it was a Jew saving operation. WWII wasnt about saving Jews anymore than the Civil War was about saving slaves.



Right on!

CC

Celtic Rogue
9th April 2010, 06:50 PM
So once again the white man cannot have a cultural heratige of any kind as it is racist? I am so glad we have black history month, BET, Miss Black America, Urban League, Black Caucus the list goes on.


I try to be fair and give everyone a chance to celebrate what ever floats their boat. But this just stinks and is totally unfair to the men and familys that died suffered and lost family farms trying to fight for states rights and sovernty.

Sorry this stuff just really jerks my chain.

mamboni
9th April 2010, 06:59 PM
The Confederate Army fought with nothing, against overwhelming odds.

They didn't surrender, Lee did.

Honoring the Confederate soldier to me is a gimme!

I'm a northerner, advanced education at UK in Lexington, Ky

My family is combat wounded all the way back to the Revolutionary war starting at the Battle of Monmouth.

Doesm't change my opinion of the soldier in the trenches.

CC



0bama is too busy hearing himself talk to honor the sacrifices of your family and so many others.

What did you expect from this POTUS. There is nothing honorable about this ‘man.’ He never had to dodge bullets or scoop up his buddies blown-up remains. He never had to risk his life for his country. He could give two little shits for the men and women who’ve fought and died to protect the very civil liberties he so thoroughly enjoys. He can’t resist using this incident to throw red meat to his complexional constituents; he sure couldn’t give them jobs! A lowly private would make a better Commander-in-Chief than this arrogant windbag.

Gypsybiker45
9th April 2010, 07:01 PM
So once again the white man cannot have a cultural heratige of any kind as it is racist? I am so glad we have black history month, BET, Miss Black America, Urban League, Black Caucus the list goes on.


I try to be fair and give everyone a chance to celebrate what ever floats their boat. But this just stinks and is totally unfair to the men and familys that died suffered and lost family farms trying to fight for states rights and sovernty.

Sorry this stuff just really jerks my chain.


Similar to Memorial Day, the day ALL war dead from BOTH sides are to be remembered. IMHO This CSA Month should serve as a reminder to how the Nation almost destroyed itself in a horrid war.that no other nation except for Russia possibly 50 years later suffered the percentage of destruction and slaughter of their smartest and bravest.

31,000,000 population 1860 (US and CSA)

Losses 360,000 total dead (USA)
Losses 260,00 total dead (CSA)

412,000 combined wounded.