Iceland volcano

[EE_]

With everyone busy watching the financial collapse, wouldn't it be ironic that a volcano brings it all down?
The eruption in Iceland has the potential to shut down travel throughout europe and decimate crops for 2 years or more.
Food wars?
With all the earthquake activity as of late, is it possible for more eruptions?

[Spectrism]

1Th 5:1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need for it to be written.
1Th 5:2 For you yourselves know accurately that the day of the Lord, as a thief in the night, so it comes.
1Th 5:3 For when they say, Peace and safety! Then suddenly destruction comes upon them, like the travail to the one having babe in womb, and not at all shall they escape.
1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the Day should overtake you as a thief.


So I watch (have been watching for 15 years) for just such events to increase in swarm frequency & intensity. The rest periods between the swarms will decrease.

Peace & safety had become the by-words of the lying rulers and the grab of power to the governments accelerated.

[uranian]

Icelandic volcanic ash alert grounds UK flights (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm)


Airline passengers are facing massive disruption across the UK after an ash cloud from a volcanic eruption in Iceland grounded planes.

The Air Traffic Control Service (Nats) said no flights would be allowed in or out of UK airspace from midday to 1800BST amid fears of engine damage.

Airports operator BAA confirmed all flights at Heathrow, Stansted and Gatwick would be suspended from midday.

And in Scotland, authorities have already shut all their airports.

The restrictions, in accordance with international civil aviation policy, were imposed after the Met Office warned ash could clog engines.

Passengers were advised to contact their carriers prior to travel.

Experts have warned that the tiny particles of rock, glass and sand contained in the ash cloud would be sufficient to jam aircraft engines.

Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Glasgow airports were shut as Nats said it was restricting flights "in accordance with international civil aviation policy".

One passenger at Glasgow told the BBC: "I'm meant to be going to Lanzarote. We've travelled from Oban, leaving at 3am. Now we've decided we might as well just go home and do a bit of gardening."

The ash cloud disrupted all flights to and from Manchester with a similar picture at Newcastle airport where all arrivals were cancelled and all outbound flights either cancelled or subject to indefinite delay.

Liverpool's John Lennon airport suspended all flights until at least 1300BST.

British Airways said it had cancelled all domestic flights for the whole of Thursday, which affected flights at London's Gatwick, Heathrow and City airports.

The company said it would refund its passengers or offer the option of rebooking.

Budget airline Ryanair said no flights were operating to or from the UK on Thursday and it expected cancellations and delays on Friday.

Engines shut

Birmingham airport warned of severe disruption with about 90% of flights cancelled, and there were problems reported at East Midlands, Leeds Bradford, Cardiff International and Bristol.

Most flights were suspended at Belfast International Airport and George Best Belfast City Airport, with some in and out of Dublin airport also hit.

VOLCANIC ASH CLOUD
The eruption in the Eyjafjallajoekull area is the second to occur in a month
This eruption has released ash to significantly greater heights
Volcanic ash contains tiny particles of rock and even glass, which can wreak havoc with machinery

A 1982 BA flight unknowingly flew into an ash cloud, shutting down all four engines

A Nats spokesman said: "The Volcanic Ash Advisory Centre has issued a forecast that the ash cloud from the volcanic eruption in Iceland will track over Europe tonight.

"Nats is working with Eurocontrol and our colleagues in Europe's other air navigation service providers to take the appropriate action to ensure safety in accordance with international aviation policy."

The European air safety body, Eurocontrol, said the cloud of ash had reached 55,000ft and was expected to move through northern UK and Scotland by 1300BST.

Brian Flynn, assistant head of operations of its central flow management unit, told the BBC: "As it moves toward the Netherlands and Belgium it will dissipate and lose intensity, like any weather phenomenon. But we don't know what the extent of it will be."

Further south, five easyJet flights due to depart from Stansted airport in Essex were cancelled, along with all northbound flights from Southampton and Newquay airports.

Bournemouth airport grounded a flight to Dublin but said all other departures were on schedule.

Met Office forecaster Philip Avery said the ash could take several days to clear.

He said: "It is showing up on imagery at the moment, extending down as far as the Faroes but it looks as though the wind will drag it a good deal further south.

"Nats has good cause to be very cautious about this because in about 1982 a British Airways jumbo had the unnerving experience of having all four engines shut down as it flew through a plume of volcanic ash."

Airports in Scotland were the first to suspend flights overnight

There was a nearly identical incident on 15 December 1989 when KLM Flight 867, a B747-400 from Amsterdam to Anchorage, Alaska, flew into the plume of the erupting Mount Redoubt, causing all four engines to fail.

Once the flight cleared the ash cloud, the crew was able to restart each engine and then make a safe landing at Anchorage, but the aircraft was substantially damaged.

A BAA spokesman said: "Passengers intending to fly today are asked to contact their airline for further information."

Fears over the ash forced the Great North Air Ambulance - covering parts of North Yorkshire - to be grounded, but the Royal Air Force said it would maintain its search and rescue operations.

An RAF spokesman said: "We will continue to provide full search and rescue cover, however we will consider all requests we get on a case by case basis.

"The ash is mainly affecting the air traffic control radar but we can fly in cloud and reduced visibility.

The eruption under a glacier in the Eyjafjallajoekull area of Iceland is the second in the country in less than a month.

A Nats spokesperson said the volcano was still erupting.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47648000/jpg/_47648462_map.jpg

ash cloud as of 6am, now it's visible from oslo. webcam (http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/) overlooking the volcano (cloudy most of the time so you can't see it, but when it clears you can see smoke gushing)

webcam from oslo:

http://cam.linpro.no/jpg/image.jpg

i'm obsessing a bit on this one as my family are actually in oslo right now, due to fly to london on saturday. delayed by volcanic ash will be a new one for us :o

a neat tool (http://www.flightradar24.com/?lat=56d63206372054474&lng=16d0400390625&zoom=5) to see realtime air traffic in europe. no planes flying across the north sea today.

[EE_]

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Iceland has a high concentration of active volcanoes due to unique geological conditions. The island has about 130 volcanic mountains, of which 18 have erupted since the settlement of Iceland. Over the past 500 years, Iceland's volcanoes have erupted a third of the total global lava output.[1] Although the Laki eruption in 1783 had the largest eruption of lava in the last 500 years, the Eldgjá eruption of 934 AD and other Holocene eruptions were even larger.

Geologists explain this high concentration of volcanic activity as being due to a combination of the island's position on the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and a volcanic hotspot underneath the island. The island sits astride the boundary between the Eurasian and North American Plates, and most volcanic activity is concentrated along the plate boundary, which runs across the island from the south-west to the north-east of the island. Some volcanic activity occurs offshore, especially off the southern coast. This includes wholly submerged submarine volcanoes and even newly formed volcanic islands such as Surtsey and Jólnir.

[Korbin Dallas]

The Iceland volcano makes Mt. St. Helens look like a firecracker. The as plume is 20,000 feet higher than Mt. St. Helens was.

[Horn]

jet in place

[DMac]

Airspace Over Virtually All Of Western And Central Europe Now Closed (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/airspace-over-virtually-all-western-and-central-europe-now-closed)

Developing: Eurocontrol says airspace closed in Ireland, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, France, Germany and Poland. US taxpayer-backed delegations packing bags of money can still fly into Athens for the time being. Approximately 5,000 to 6,000 flights were cancelled due to volcanic ash on Thursday. Also, from Reuters, Iceland volcano plume expected to cancel 21,000 flights today, may spread to Germany and Poland on Friday, European agency says.

[DMac]

CBS video of the volcano:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6398467n

[sunshine05]

My husband flew back from Germany this morning. I'm so relieved he somehow got out of there. Who knows how long he may have been stuck there.

[DMac]

Some great pics here:
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/icelands_disruptive_volcano.html?camp=localsearch: on:twit:bigpic

[EE_]

http://lupusranting.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/al-gore-404_682507c.jpg

[Korbin Dallas]

^^^ ;D ;D

[Nordmann]

Fun Fact: insurance companies doesn't consider volcanic eruptions to be a natural disaster.

No refund for those who's sitting on airline tickets they wont be able to use.

[drafter]

I still don't understand how all the reports make it sound like everything will be fine in a day or two. What if this thing goes on for a year? Guess they're making up some story to keep travelers from freaking out until they can figure out what to do with them.

[Neuro]

^ good point if it goes on for a year, I think we will have mass starvation!

[uranian]

no planes in northern europe at all now.

[uranian]

latest is that austrian (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apa.at%2F&sl=auto&tl=en) airspace is to close, some of germany too. latest extent of the invisible ash cloud:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271374304.png

Depending on which MSM source you read, this could be ongoing from 5 days (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article7099035.ece) to 6 months (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266300/Iceland-volcano-erupts-second-time-month-forcing-new-evacuation-tourists.html#ixzz0lFPnlvYg).

sunset in the UK:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/16/article-1266172-0926DAE1000005DC-321_964x459.jpg

satellite data (http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/RGB/ASH/ICELAND/index.htm) of the cloud (apparently hard to track at night)

[jedemdasseine]

Wow. This is interesting. Good info, uranian.

Interesting how most of the news is about how the rest of Europe is affected, but little about what's actually happening on the ground in Iceland.

[crazychicken]

Are there any real predictions by volcano experts?

Anyone?

CC

[uranian]

there's talk that if hekla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hekla) goes off, it'll make eyjafjallajokull look small. relevant map:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/skjalftar/myrdalsj.png

recent history of eyja's quakes:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/eyja_09_10.png

slightly longer history of the same:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/arg/png/eyjafjallajokull_15d.png

hekla has been rumbling:

http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/hkbz.gif

compared to another site (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hvammstangi) in NE iceland:

http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/hvtz.gif

[crazychicken]

Interesting link.

Gaitway to armegedon?

Time to stock up on sunlite bulbs?

CC

[uranian]

jedem, the airport in iceland is working, as the wind is blowing to take the ash away from there. they have had to emergency evacuate a few hundred people due to flooding (http://www.icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=29314&ew_0_a_id=360852) around the eruption site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZcVgcZ7RIw

[jedemdasseine]

Wow. Excellent info, uranian. Keep it coming! :)

A Hekla eruption would really be devastating.

Curious the TIMING of this recent volcanic activity. TODAY the IMF is scheduled to review Iceland's new bailout plan.
:o

[I am me, I am free]

Who thinks that the recent CME event and this eruption are somehow related?

[uranian]

best theory; CME/general solar system weirdness is related to the local fluff plasma cloud, so that's a yes for a link between the 2 events.

[DMac]

EuroControl Sees Half (15,000) Of All European Flights Grounded Today (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/eurocontrol-sees-half-15000-all-european-flights-grounded-today)

http://www.youtube.com/v/Z41Ppd0FQYQ

[JDRock]

Wow. Excellent info, uranian. Keep it coming! :)

A Hekla eruption would really be devastating.

Curious the TIMING of this recent volcanic activity. TODAY the IMF is scheduled to review Iceland's new bailout plan.
:o


FWIW, Im NOT saying that people can control these things, but it DOES also conviently end all reporting about the polish plane " accident"

[uranian]

Update (http://www.ryanair.com/no/notices/gops/100414-ICELAND_ASH-GB) 18:00hrs - 16 April

Friday 16 April until Monday 19th April 13:00hrs

All flights to/from the UK are cancelled.

All flights to/from Ireland are cancelled

All flights to/from Denmark and Finland are cancelled.

All flights to/from Norway and Sweden are cancelled.

All flights to/from Belgium and Holland are cancelled.

All flights to/from Northern France (Lille, Brest, Dinard, Paris Beauvais) are cancelled.

All flights to/from Northern Germany Frankfurt Hahn, Bremen, Dusseldorf(Weeze), Hamburg(Lubeck) Berlin(Schonefeld)are cancelled.

All flights to /from Poland, Lithuania, Latvia are cancelled.

[uranian]

chucking out loads of ash (http://extras.vodafone.is/trailers/fimmvorduhals/mx10-4-235-80/2010/04/16/20/current.jpg) again. looks like it's going to be a circuitous ferry route home for my family :conf:

http://extras.vodafone.is/trailers/fimmvorduhals/mx10-4-235-80/2010/04/16/20/current.jpg

[chud]

This whole thing reminds me of the British Airways Flight 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9) incident, where they lost all four jet engines when they flew threw a volcanic ash cloud.

[uranian]

european airspace is almost entirely closed now. ash cloud is spreading:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271483349.png

reports (http://icelandreview.com/icelandreview/daily_news/?cat_id=30632&ew_0_a_id=360661) that a new vent is opening in the volcano now. the number of earthquakes (http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/#view=map) (very small, 1 - 2 on the richter scale) has been picking up over the past 24 hours. seems generally the situation is quite dynamic, and whether european air traffic will start to fly again is an open question for now.

[jedemdasseine]

And the IMF just approved a 160 million dollar loan to Iceland. Very small, especially considering even tiny Faroe Islands offered Iceland over 50 million dollars last year. ???

Awesome info, uranian. Keep it coming. I have an especial love of Iceland, and any and all quality information is appreciated! :)

[uranian]

katla rumbling some more in the past few hours:

http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/hkbz.gif

page (http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/othersten.htm) to compare the geophone data to other geophones around the world.

earthquakes in europe over the past 2 weeks:

http://www.emsc-csem.org/imgs/h_euromed.jpg

[Nordmann]

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

Web-cam from Iceland

[InsurgentWolf]

Ahhh, so that's where the chemtrails went.

[uranian]

http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/icons-eya-20100416/ejafjalla16apr2010-mfulle4151j.jpg

http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/icons-eya-20100416/ejafjalla16apr2010-mfulle4145j.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/hermannh/IMG_1389.jpg

[Serpo]

Is that a ash cloud or a HASH cloud ::)

[Serpo]

Wow!!! :o

I wonder what the carbon footprint of THAT sucker is? ;D


This will measured in elephant footprints

[uranian]

beautiful, isn't it. wouldn't want to be one of those pilots though ;D

[uranian]

seems generally expected (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/03/global-cooling-what-happens-if-the-iceland-volcano-blows/1) that katla will blow too. historically it has most of the time when eyja has. an icelandic vulcanologist just stated "very likely" given the seismic activity.


"Eyjafjallajokull has blown three times in the past thousand years," Dr McGarvie told The Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7070239.ece), "in 920AD, in 1612 and between 1821 and 1823. Each time it set off Katla." The likelihood of Katla blowing could become clear "in a few weeks or a few months", he said.

[Horn]

seems generally expected (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/sciencefair/post/2010/03/global-cooling-what-happens-if-the-iceland-volcano-blows/1) that katla will blow too. historically it has most of the time when eyja has. an icelandic vulcanologist just stated "very likely" given the seismic activity.



Like Mama Earth knows how to pull the blankets over when she gets pulled from the sun by jupiter...

I'll have to find out more about this cycle in detail.

http://www.theresilientearth.com/?q=content/little-ice-age-ii-sequel

[Horn]

http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/icons-eya-20100416/ejafjalla16apr2010-mfulle4151j.jpg

http://www.swisseduc.ch/stromboli/perm/iceland/icons-eya-20100416/ejafjalla16apr2010-mfulle4145j.jpg

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/hermannh/IMG_1389.jpg


That is seriously cool...

[uranian]

http://i44.tinypic.com/16kxkb6.jpg

[Horn]

I still don't understand how all the reports make it sound like everything will be fine in a day or two. What if this thing goes on for a year? Guess they're making up some story to keep travelers from freaking out until they can figure out what to do with them.


I think they'd rather not hurt their equip.

But if comes down to it, they'll no option but to move them.

If it keeps up, you'll find very flew flights and high cost, or they'll spread it across the boards.

[uranian]

KLM just put a plane up to see what would happen. seems all went OK. so perhaps things will get back to normal. pilot forum discussing it here (http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/412103-ash-clouds-threaten-air-traffic-38.html).

[MAGNES]

With everyone busy watching the financial collapse, wouldn't it be ironic that a volcano brings it all down?
The eruption in Iceland has the potential to shut down travel throughout europe and decimate crops for 2 years or more.
Food wars?
With all the earthquake activity as of late, is it possible for more eruptions?


This is not a joke, and it has happened in past.

Expulsions of populations, great wealth decimated,
earth changing civil war lasting hundreds of years.
Fighting for resources and trade routes.
Groups competing.

[EE_]

This thing is looking serious. Might encircle the entire earth?
Before long we will be recruiting a new bunch doom and gloomers.
And to think, I've been laughed at for prepping and have been called a doom and gloomer.

[mick silver]

thanks ee how about a applaud

[Spectrism]

I think the smart world leaders led by Barack Obama should just have a meeting and tell Iceland to stop polluting the air.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WMpSC7nK3os/ScvTS9iqVTI/AAAAAAAADa8/Yq3Priw6zAs/s400/obama-dumb-and-dumber.jpg
BTW- whatever happened to the Kyoto treaty and the big Copenhagen global warming agenda? All that released heat is sure to upset the global balance. Maybe a volcano tax is in order.

[I am me, I am free]

This thing is looking serious. Might encircle the entire earth?
Before long we will be recruiting a new bunch doom and gloomers.
And to think, I've been laughed at for prepping and have been called a doom and gloomer.



Yeah, note the dispersion and the eruption began less than a week ago.

[Horn]

http://i44.tinypic.com/16kxkb6.jpg


Where'd ya find that gif, uranian?

[Spectrism]

Apparently now the ash has a large concentration of FLOURIDE!

Poisonous to surface water. Hazardous to livestock.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/volcano-ash-sparks-health-fears-20100417-slgb.html

Volcano ash sparks health fears
REYKJAVIK
April 18, 2010

HEALTH authorities have warned that the fallout of volcanic ash over parts of Iceland could jeopardise the safety of its drinking water.
And a geophysicist said the eruption showed no signs of abating.

Halldor Runolfsson from the Icelandic Food and Veterinary Authority said there were concerns for human health but the greatest risk was to livestock.

''It is important to prevent the ash from reaching water supplies, both for public and animal health reasons and for safe milk production.''
His colleague Guthjon Gunnarsson said the agency was evaluating the quality of drinking water, which was mostly protected because it was sourced from under the ground.

Dr Runolfsson said the ash posed the greatest risk to livestock because it contained high levels of fluoride, which can cause problems in bones and teeth.
Since the eruption began on Wednesday, it has been spewing a six-kilometre plume of ash into the sky, sending a giant cloud of it towards Europe and prompting the continent's biggest air travel shutdown since World War II.

The question for scientists is how long the eruption might continue, particularly at its current strength. Geophysicist Pall Einarsson, from the Institute of Earth Sciences at the University of Iceland, said that question could not yet be answered.

Iceland had many volcanoes, and their eruptions often followed a pattern, Professor Einarsson said. ''Usually they are most vigorous in the beginning. But this volcano is very different from that.''

Researchers were monitoring the volcano for indications that the eruption was tapering off.

One complication was the eruption's location, under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier. The underside of the ice has melted, causing flooding, forcing evacuations and destroying bridges and roads. The rest of Europe is concerned about how the meltwater might affect the volcano and the ash it generates.

Jennie Gilbert, from the University of Lancaster in Britain, said the presence of water could affect the characteristics of the sandlike ash produced by the volcano. As the molten rock hits the cold water, it is fused into a glassy material. When the pressure builds up and the volcano explodes, this material breaks up into fine particles. In Britain, the Health Protection Agency said some particles might settle to the ground but may not be visible.

It advised people - particularly those with respiratory problems - to have medicines on hand and to limit outdoor activities.

[Celtic Rogue]

Who thinks that the recent CME event and this eruption are somehow related?


Sure seems like every time the sun gets active a few days later the earth starts to act up too.

[I am me, I am free]

Dr Runolfsson said the ash posed the greatest risk to livestock because it contained high levels of fluoride, which can cause problems in bones and teeth.

Oh what the hell? I'm confused now - we've had all these 'authorities' telling us how wonderful fluoride is for our teeth, and now this "Dr" is telling us it can cause problems in our bones and teeth? Someone needs to shut him the hell up.

[johnlvs2run]

Volcano Eruption of Eyjafjallajökull, Iceland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGPD_0SCDp4

[Horn]

How an Icelandic volcano helped spark the French Revolution


Just over 200 years ago an Icelandic volcano erupted with catastrophic consequences for weather, agriculture and transport across the northern hemisphere – and helped trigger the French revolution.

The Laki volcanic fissure in southern Iceland erupted over an eight-month period from 8 June 1783 to February 1784, spewing lava and poisonous gases that devastated the island’s agriculture, killing much of the livestock. It is estimated that perhapsa quarter of Iceland’s population died through the ensuing famine.

Then, as now, there were more wide-ranging impacts. In Norway, the Netherlands, the British Isles, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, in North America and even Egypt, the Laki eruption had its consequences, as the haze of dust and sulphur particles thrown up by the volcano was carried over much of the northern hemisphere.

Ships moored up in many ports, effectively fogbound. Crops were affected as the fall-out from the continuing eruption coincided with an abnormally hot summer. A clergyman, the Rev Sir John Cullum, wrote to the Royal Society that barley crops "became brown and withered … as did the leaves of the oats; the rye had the appearance of being mildewed".

http://www.survivalnewsnetwork.com/how-an-icelandic-volcano-helped-spark-the-french-revolution/

[uranian]

horn, from the pilots' forum, i think. good thread on it over there.

quote from that thread:


- after 20,000 hours and 30+ years I know that if there is something in the air it tends to restrict visibility - fly over the factories in china for example or fly into Hong Kong with the world's only visual transition level, which you can smell, and you'll know what I mean.

When Pinatubo and Mt St Helens blew up they put trillions of tons of volcanic dust in the air of which I believe a percentage is still there.... so we have been flying in this stuff for years.

there seems to be very little done in the way of actually analysing the ash cloud. there have been a number of good suggestions as to how to do this, e.g. put up a 4 engined jet with sensing equipment, fly on 2 engines in case of trouble, use the other 2 if the first 2 do suffer. old UK military planes e.g. tornado are apparently ideal for this.

which leads one to ask, why is that not being done? we're talking millions of euros a day being lost because of this, and while safety is obviously a major factor, actually attempting to find out what's going on should be part of the risk/reward ratio. note that russia has been flying normally all this time. i think there is something going on behind the scenes here, given that there is no attempt to diagnose the problem.

still nothing in the sky over north and central europe.

[uranian]

KLM 737 test flight indicates no volcanic ash risk (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/18/340745/klm-737-test-flight-indicates-no-volcanic-ash-risk.html)

German carriers lead backlash over volcanic ash closures (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/18/340746/german-carriers-lead-backlash-over-volcanic-ash-closures.html)


German carriers Lufthansa and Air Berlin have expressed scepticism over the volcanic ash risk, and the need to keep airspace closed, after neither detected any technical problems during a series of positioning flights.

Lufthansa has repositioned 10 Boeing 747-400 and Airbus A340 aircraft from Munich to Frankfurt, in preparation for eventual clearance to operate. The aircraft mainly performed under visual flight rules, limiting their altitude to 3,000m (9,800ft), although one of the jets was taken to 8,000m to assess the atmospheric conditions.

A spokesman for the airline says that none of the aircraft showed any sign of volcanic ash damage.

These results are generating a steadily-growing backlash against regulatory authorities and increasing doubts about the scientific basis for keeping European airspace closed.

The Lufthansa spokesman argues that decisions appear to be founded on volcanic monitoring forecasts rather than actual atmospheric testing.

"Everyone's basing decisions on estimates from computer simulations," he says. "We need additional tests and analysis, test flights need to be done. But this is not being done quickly enough."

Air Berlin yesterday carried out positioning flights of three Airbus aircraft on the Munich-Dusseldorf and Nuremberg-Hamburg sectors.

The airline says that technical inspections "did not reveal any adverse effects" on the jets, and is similarly questioning the rationale behind the airspace restrictions.

"We are amazed that the results obtained from test flights carried out by Lufthansa and Air Berlin...did not have any influence whatsoever on the decisions taken by the aviation safety authorities," says Air Berlin chief Joachim Hunold.

The carrier is offering to conduct formal test flights to examine the risk and is pressing the German transport ministry to establish a crisis-management operation.

Dutch carrier KLM is planning to operate another series of flights today following an initial airborne test on 17 April.

KLM has secured permission for another nine flights. The first has been conducted out of Dusseldorf, at 06:30 today, with 20 crew members on board but no passengers.

Seven aircraft are stranded in Dusseldorf and KLM aims to reposition these back to its Amsterdam Schiphol base.

Its initial test flight, with a Boeing 737-800, aircraft indicated no operational problems and KLM says the "quality of the atmosphere is in order". KLM insists, however, that safety "remains the chief priority".

Chief executive Peter Hartman stresses that the decision on resuming normal air operations lies with the Dutch and European authorities, but that it hopes to restore services as soon as possible if restrictions are lifted.

[jedemdasseine]

Have there been many reports of ash falling over Europe? Are there any photos of the ash cloud? Why is it so damn difficult to get good information on this story? >:(

I'm interested in following this story. Do you have any websites you can recommend, uranian?

[uranian]

GLP, jedem! plus that pilot forum.

falling ash, some sporadic reports but very little....certainly no pics that i've seen. the weather here in SW UK has been great for the past few days, clear blue skies and sunshine.

[Gknowmx]

So why can't jet engine makers add volcanic ash in controled studies to predict failure rates? Or have they done this? I like the flying 2 on + 2 off concept.

[uranian]

a norwegian pilot's take (http://www.nordlys.no/nyheter/Innenriks/article5076377.ece) on the situation:


If you piss in a glass of water, no one would drink it. But if someone pisses in Maridalen Lake [which supplies drinking water to Oslo], you wouldn't turn off the water in all of Oslo.

probably from the north of norway, that dude :D

[Spectrism]

Isn't it amazing to see the daredevils driving cars or snowmobiles up to the volcano to take pictures?

At any moment there could be a blast which engulfs them with poisonous gas, hot ash yards deep, molten rock- or they just get vaporised as part of the upward fodder. They really don't seem to understand the scale of things. That cute little eruption they are watching could be a single hair on the tail of a tiger. This would be a good time to relocated FROM Iceland. Anyone who even stays on that island is taking a big chance.

[uranian]

Have there been many reports of ash falling over Europe?

poll (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1041479/pg1) on GLP reveals that three quarters of people have seen neither hide nor hair of any ash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKR7DKVB9lw

[johnlvs2run]

from the pilots' forum, i think. good thread on it over there.


When Pinatubo and Mt St Helens blew up they put trillions of tons of volcanic dust in the air of which I believe a percentage is still there.... so we have been flying in this stuff for years.

I've been wondering if some of the ash has reached the western U.S., and think it probably has.



which leads one to ask, why is that not being done? we're talking millions of euros a day being lost because of this ... i think there is something going on behind the scenes here, given that there is no attempt to diagnose the problem.

Chaos & more helpless people.

[Horn]

I think they are probably over reacting, or just pressing the control buttons for testing a bit much.

Seem like they could send spotter flights up to report exactly where the thick stuff is?

But this might mean the airlines would have to jeopardize their computer controlled flight paths and fuel consumption.

They're to lazy to do the accounting revisions...is why the story is pressed so that they are the ones loosing so much... ;)

[Horn]

GLP, jedem! plus that pilot forum.

falling ash, some sporadic reports but very little....certainly no pics that i've seen. the weather here in SW UK has been great for the past few days, clear blue skies and sunshine.


I can't get anywhere near that flight24 site, times out on me.

Must be overloaded...

[Horn]

Forecast calls for more.

Sounds to me like it's buliding for another gusher to me.


UPDATE 1-Volcanic ash relentless as tremors rock Iceland



By Omar Valdimarsson

REYKJAVIK, April 18 (Reuters) - Powerful tremors from an Icelandic volcano that has been a menace for travellers across Europe shook the countryside on Sunday as eruptions hurled a steady stream of ash into the sky.

Ash from the volcano drifted southeast towards the European continent, sparing the capital Reykjavik and other more populated centres but forcing farmers and their livestock indoors as a blanket of ash fell on the surrounding areas.

"We are all doing our utmost to make sure that the farming community in this area survives this disaster," Icelandic President Olafur Grimsson told Reuters Television.

He said it was difficult to assess the impact on tourism in the country, which is only just emerging from a deep recession, but that recent events had put Iceland in the spotlight and that the country might even lure in more visitors.

"What we are experiencing here in Iceland is forces of nature on display... And that is a spectacle -- the combination of volcanic eruption and glaciers you cannot see anywhere else in the world," he said.

Iceland's Meterological Office said tremors from the volcano had grown more intense but that the column of ash rising from the volcano had eased back to 4-5 km (2.5-3 miles) from as high as 11 km when it started erupting earlier this week.

"We are seeing mixed signals. There are some hints that the eruption will be decreasing, and others that show it is not decreasing," said Einar Kjartansson, a geophysicist at the Meteorological Office.

The eruption is taking place under Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull glacier, normally a popular hiking ground about 120 km (75 miles) southeast of the capital Reykjavik.

Kjartansson believes the volcano has melted about 10 percent of the glacier, but melting might have slowed in recent hours.

However, that does not mean Europe will see any great relief from the plume of ash that is choking the upper atmosphere with tiny particles of glass and pulverised rock, threatening jet engines and airframes.

The glacier on top of the volcano is about 200 metres (650 ft) thick -- thinner than many glaciers atop other volcanoes that have erupted in recent times. That means there is less ice, and water, to suffocate the eruptions and resulting steam.

"It might mean more intense ash production," Kjartansson said.

It still could take months for the volcano to burn through the rest of the glacier, to a point where the steam and ash would turn instead into lava, he said.

DAY TURNS TO NIGHT Vidir Reynisson, of the Civil Protection Department, said some areas near the volcano were pitchblack during daylight hours.

"There are places where you can't even see the palm of your hand," he said.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=2075.0;num_replies=69

[Spectrism]

This could go on for months.

[DMac]

Eyjafjallajokull = ey-ya-FYAH-tla-yu-ku-tl

Is Katla next? If it is we're in trouble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM10us6C0og

Increased activity near Katla, seems to be waking up
http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/stodvaplott.html


Icelandic news site with photos of a damaged military jet from flying in ash:
http://www.ilmavoimat.fi/index.php?id=1149


The Possible Impact of the Icelandic Volcanoes on Energy Production (http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6381)

This could end up being really serious! Think about food production in Europe. Grounded flights. Cold weather, pipeline issues, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer

[DMac]

New York Airports look like youth hostels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBcz1Wbl8cQ

[DMac]

Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano is nothing to 'Angry Sister' Katla (http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/20054)


By Mark Sappenfield,
Staff writer, CSMonitor

(AXcess News) - This history of Iceland will not make for comforting reading for thousands of would-be air travelers stranded across northern Europe and beyond.

The last time Eyjafjallajokull erupted, it continued belching the Earth's unsettled insides for 14 months, from December 1821 to January 1823.

Scientists do not expect Eyjafjallajokull to keep northern Europe's airports closed for 14 months, but they suggest that Eyjafjallajokull's impact on world travel might not end with the end of this current eruption.

Moreover, Iceland's "Angry Sister" hasn't even awoken yet. The three times in recorded history when Eyjafjallajokull has erupted, its neighbor, the much larger Katla, has followed suit.

Data do not yet suggest that a Katla eruption is imminent. Yet, in some respects, it is the far greater concern, both in Iceland and beyond.

Katla: the sleeping sister

Katla has erupted 16 times since 930, in 1755 exploding so violently that its ash settled on parts of Scotland. In 1918, Katla tore chunks of ice the size of houses from the Myrdalsjokull glacier atop it, sending them careening down its slopes and into the Atlantic on floods of melted glacier water.

While Eyjafjallavokull is virtually anonymous in Icelandic lore, Katla is one of the "Angry Sisters" along its even-more active twin, Hekla.

The 1918 eruption was the last major eruption of Katla - a volcano that has erupted twice a century, on average - which is why scientists have paid particularly close attention to it in recent days.

But while earth beneath Eyjafjallajokull trembled with thousands of small earthquakes in the months before the eruption - signaling that magma was welling up beneath the volcano - scientists have not seen the same activity at Katla yet.

Even as some scientists suggest that the current Eyjnafjallajokull eruption is abating, the past few days have been only a taste of what Icelanders have known for generations: Their island is one of the most restless places on the planet.

In 1973, an eruption near the nation's primary fishing port split the island of Heimaey in two and required its entire population to be evacuated to the Icelandic mainland by fishing boat.

On 1783, one-quarter of Iceland's population was killed when Laki erupted - an eruption so massive that it changed global weather patterns, bringing record snow to New Jersey and drought to Egypt.

And in the 1755 Katla eruption, the volume of floodwaters from the Myrdalsjokull glacier were estimated to be equal to or greater than the discharge of water from the Amazon, Nile, and Mississippi Rivers combined.

Iceland: an Arctic thread of fire

Much like lands atop the Pacific Ring of Fire, Iceland sits atop a seam in the earth's crust, straddling two of the planet's tectonic puzzle pieces.

In other such places, such as Chile, one piece of crust is sliding beneath the other, pushing up the Andes mountains. But in Iceland, new earth is being born with every eruption.

Along the tectonic border marked by Iceland's volcanoes, the world is spreading, gradually pushing Iceland's halves - and the plates they sit on - farther apart. The volcanoes are making new crust, their liquid rock cooling into new landscapes, eruption by eruption, foot by foot.

In this way, Eyjafjallajokull is merely part of the ancient tectonic dance of the continents. But some scientists suggest that the changing global climate could make Icelandic eruptions more common.

As Iceland's glaciers thin, their weight upon the island's volcanoes will lighten, making it easier for magma to rise from the earth's depths, they say.

[DMac]

mikeoh1983 — March 22, 2010 — Our guide from Arctic Adventures, on the Sólheimajökull glacier, talks about Iceland's Katla volcano being overdue for an eruption! This was on the 1st March 2010. On the 21st of March, a fissure volcano erupted within a stones throw of where we were stood and has created worries that Katla may erupt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aphMkFzUiZo

[uranian]

we're trying to get my family from oslo to calais (ferry to the UK from there) by train...seems it's going to take about 3 days and cost £400...bit of a mare.

[jedemdasseine]

In the book Journey to the Center of the Earth, it is an Icelandic volcano that is the passageway to the inner earth.

Icelandic volcanos, since the time of even St. Brenden, have been associated with the underworld/hell.
:o

[Spectrism]

In the book Journey to the Center of the Earth, it is an Icelandic volcano that is the passageway to the inner earth.

Icelandic volcanos, since the time of even St. Brenden, have been associated with the underworld/hell.
:o




I am sure it is, if you can swim through molten rock.

[sunshine05]

Interesting blog about this.
http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/911-false-flag-volcanic-ash-grounds-flights-military-drills-continue/

From the article:
One of the largest NATO military drills is being held today, rather conveniently while volcanic ash is keeping all commercial aircraft on the ground around the U.K. That won’t stop one of the world’s largest military exercises from going forward though.

A large fleet of warships, submarines, frigates and aircraft from 10 NATO countries and one non-NATO member has congregated here to take part in the ‘Brilliant Mariner’ maritime exercise in the Baltic Sea.

The 10-day long multi-nation naval drill began here on April 12, 2010. It will engage the NATO forces to respond to a number of challenges, including asymmetric or terrorist threats, maritime security operations and embargo operations “in a realistic scenario,” a NATO statement said.

The exercise will see participation of 6,500 defence personnel, 31 warships, 28 aircraft and four submarines that will operate in the Northern European waters and airspace.

The French Navy, which is commanding the maritime exercise, has sent 10 of its warships and 30 aircraft.

Its naval fleet includes aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, amphibious warship Mistral, under-attack submarine Emeraude along with other frigates. The aviation fleet includes Mirage fighter aircraft, Hawkeye airborne early warning aircraft and Atlantique 2 maritime patrol aircraft along with other planes.

The countries participating in the huge military drill are Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, USA, France, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, United Kingdom and Sweden. Sweden, a non-NATO member, is taking part in the exercise as a ‘Partnership for Peace’ country.http://www.brahmand.com/news/NATO-countries-begin-Brilliant-Mariner-naval-exercise/3645/1/10.html

[johnlvs2run]

The exercise will see participation of 6,500 defence personnel, 31 warships, 28 aircraft and four submarines that will operate in the Northern European waters and airspace.

What a waste.

Better all that energy could be used for building houses, growing food, providing clean air and water, supporting people - instead of trying to destroy all of humanity.

[Book]

The countries participating in the huge military drill are Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, USA, France, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, United Kingdom and Sweden. Sweden, a non-NATO member, is taking part in the exercise as a ‘Partnership for Peace’ country.


http://www.dullesnow.org/Palestine_Gaza_IDF_Girl.jpg

http://mazinx.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/brave_idf_soldier1.jpg

Our bestest buddy "Israel" does not participate nor sends their mighty IDF to Iraq or Afghanistan to help our soldiers. Too busy murdering little kids in Palestine maybe?

:oo-->

[Twisted Titan]

I still don't understand how all the reports make it sound like everything will be fine in a day or two. What if this thing goes on for a year? Guess they're making up some story to keep travelers from freaking out until they can figure out what to do with them.


I think they'd rather not hurt their equip.

But if comes down to it, they'll no option but to move them.

If it keeps up, you'll find very flew flights and high cost, or they'll spread it across the boards.



Imagine the job lost by TSA goons as most sheep will be priced out of the harrassement ring.


T

[DMac]

Webcam:

http://www.ruv.is/hekla/

[uranian]

has hekla just started erupting too? lots of rumours:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article3613563.ece


The volcano Hekla, Iceland has begun an eruption at 18.30 o'clock Norwegian time Monday, according to Icelandic ruv.is. Hekla is Iceland's most active volcano.

[Defender]

Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano is nothing to 'Angry Sister' Katla (http://www.axcessnews.com/index.php/articles/show/id/20054)


By Mark Sappenfield,
Staff writer, CSMonitor

In this way, Eyjafjallajokull is merely part of the ancient tectonic dance of the continents. But some scientists suggest that the changing global climate could make Icelandic eruptions more common.

As Iceland's glaciers thin, their weight upon the island's volcanoes will lighten, making it easier for magma to rise from the earth's depths, they say.


You knew it was coming - global warming causes volcanoes.

Or maybe it's sex. If it causes earthquakes in Iran who knows what terrible influences it could be causing elsewhere.

[Horn]

Webcam:

http://www.ruv.is/hekla/



Why do these things never work for me?

Webcam links, I mean.

[uranian]

has to be said that the geophone data is getting a bit noisier:

http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/hkbz.gif

[Horn]

Never mind it's working now & looks quiet.

Maybe too quiet... :conf:

[uranian]

somebody moved the webcam which caused everyone to think that hekla was erupting. crazy days

Icelandic Met Office says no eruption at Hekla volcano (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/icelandic-met-office-says-no-eruption-at-hekla-volcano_100350585.html)


The Icelandic Meteorological Office on Monday said the Hekla volcano in the southern part of the country had not erupted.

Live footage from the Icelandic National Broadcasting Service initially appeared to show images from the Hekla volcano with a huge plume of smoke rising from it. Later, the service said the camera was accidentally pointed at the Eyjafjallajökull glacier - which continues to erupt and has caused major air travel disruptions across Europe.

An official with the Icelandic Meteorological Office in Reykjavik said he was aware of media reports, but said they were not accurate. “I’m sitting here in the middle of the Icelandic Met Office and we’ve seen nothing to indicate an eruption,” he said.

[DMac]

has hekla just started erupting too? lots of rumours:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article3613563.ece


The volcano Hekla, Iceland has begun an eruption at 18.30 o'clock Norwegian time Monday, according to Icelandic ruv.is. Hekla is Iceland's most active volcano.


Rumor.

The owner of the webcam (http://www.ruv.is/hekla/) turned the camera it back to Eyja. The confusion comes from the feed being named "Hekla" and the webcam was then pointed to Eyja.

http://search.twitter.com/search?had_popular=true&q=Hekla&result_type=recent

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

;D

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/16/article-1266403-0928E978000005DC-548_964x571.jpg

The scream: A radar image shows the crater of Eyjafjallajokull in southeast Iceland, which looks like the nightmarish face painted by Edvard Munch


Link Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1266403/Iceland-volcano-space-The-dramatic-ash-plume-engulfing-Britain-seen-above.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailymail%2FScienceandTech+%2 8Science+%26+Tech)


EDIT: Modified long link to named link, to prevent forum scrolling 3 pages to the right. -Gaillo

[mick silver]

did they get any of the airports open yet

[uranian]

great pics (http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/04/more_from_eyjafjallajokull.html).

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/eyja_04_19/e01_23056097.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/eyja_04_19/e05_23056297.jpg

[Horn]

F'in A, talk about the electric universe plasma theory...

[I am me, I am free]

Nice find on the images, uranian and Horn.

[uranian]

the sun has just had 2 or 3 major CMEs. more earthquakes/eruptions incoming?

[Horn]

the sun has just had 2 or 3 major CMEs. more earthquakes/eruptions incoming?


At some point we will have to eclipse the earthquakes, and go straight into the global "dirty electrical storm" scenario.... :imskerd:

[k-os]

Horn, those pictures are mesmerizing.

[uranian]

and now there's a new (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8631144.stm)ash cloud. FFS!!!!

[uranian]

wouldn't be complete without UFOs in the ash cloud, would it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEffyrJyD1M

[Horn]

and now there's a new (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8631144.stm)ash cloud. FFS!!!!


I know your trying to garnish my sympathy for the U.K., but I have to tell you now.

That'll never happen...Sorry.. :D

[uranian]

it's getting crazy. looks like NATS are going to shut down air traffic again. thank god i managed to book trains for my family to get home. some F16s went up earlier today and came back down with damaged engines, so i wonder at the wisdom of allowing the flights up at all. imagine if a jet does actually go down because of this. the guy who runs ryanair was on TV swearing apparently, haha.

[Horn]

wouldn't be complete without UFOs in the ash cloud, would it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEffyrJyD1M


Apparently "the greys" agree on the U.K.

Question; did he say No additional goat cheese, or coaches at about 2:55?

[uranian]

live lava (http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/).

this guy has been successfully predicting quakes in the week i've been watching:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be9vvRTsGOs

[Spectrism]

it's getting crazy. looks like NATS are going to shut down air traffic again. thank god i managed to book trains for my family to get home. some F16s went up earlier today and came back down with damaged engines, so i wonder at the wisdom of allowing the flights up at all. imagine if a jet does actually go down because of this. the guy who runs ryanair was on TV swearing apparently, haha.


Thanks for the info! Knowing that some engines were damaged is MAJOR news. They won't dare fly long range flights through that stuff. All they need is ONE plane to go down and it is game over for the airlines.

[keehah]

How an Icelandic volcano helped spark the French Revolution
Profound effects of eight-month eruption in 1783 caused chaos from US to Egypt, say experts (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/15/iceland-volcano-weather-french-revolution)

guardian.co.uk, Thursday 15 April 2010

Just over 200 years ago an Icelandic volcano erupted with catastrophic consequences for weather, agriculture and transport across the northern hemisphere – and helped trigger the French revolution.

The Laki volcanic fissure in southern Iceland erupted over an eight-month period from 8 June 1783 to February 1784, spewing lava and poisonous gases that devastated the island's agriculture, killing much of the livestock. It is estimated that perhapsa quarter of Iceland's population died through the ensuing famine.

Then, as now, there were more wide-ranging impacts. In Norway, the Netherlands, the British Isles, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, in North America and even Egypt, the Laki eruption had its consequences, as the haze of dust and sulphur particles thrown up by the volcano was carried over much of the northern hemisphere.

Ships moored up in many ports, effectively fogbound. Crops were affected as the fall-out from the continuing eruption coincided with an abnormally hot summer. A clergyman, the Rev Sir John Cullum, wrote to the Royal Society that barley crops "became brown and withered … as did the leaves of the oats; the rye had the appearance of being mildewed".

The British naturalist Gilbert White described that summer in his classic Natural History of Selborne as "an amazing and portentous one … the peculiar haze, or smokey fog, that prevailed for many weeks in this island, and in every part of Europe, and even beyond its limits, was a most extraordinary appearance, unlike anything known within the memory of man.

"The sun, at noon, looked as blank as a clouded moon, and shed a rust-coloured ferruginous light on the ground, and floors of rooms; but was particularly lurid and blood-coloured at rising and setting. At the same time the heat was so intense that butchers' meat could hardly be eaten on the day after it was killed; and the flies swarmed so in the lanes and hedges that they rendered the horses half frantic … the country people began to look with a superstitious awe, at the red, louring aspect of the sun."

Across the Atlantic, Benjamin Franklin wrote of "a constant fog over all Europe, and a great part of North America".

The disruption to weather patterns meant the ensuing winter was unusually harsh, with consequent spring flooding claiming more lives. In America the Mississippi reportedly froze at New Orleans.

The eruption is now thought to have disrupted the Asian monsoon cycle, prompting famine in Egypt. Environmental historians have also pointed to the disruption caused to the economies of northern Europe, where food poverty was a major factor in the build-up to the French revolution of 1789.

Volcanologists at the Open University's department of earth sciences say the impact of the Laki eruptions had profound consequences.

Dr John Murray said: "Volcanic eruptions can have significant effects on weather patterns for from two to four years, which in turn have social and economic consequences. We shouldn't discount their possible political impacts."

[Horn]

Anyway, Uranian I hope you & your family remain safe & are reunited.

Best of Luck with the flight situation.

[gunDriller]

damn, what if that other one goes, the Kalta volcano or whatever it's called.

it sounds like the glacier is an integral part of the creation of the dust cloud.

the ice/ water hits the magma, turns to steam, and explodes out of there, taking a bunch of cooled-off-magma (in the form of dust) with it.

would there be less dust if it didn't have the glacier on top of it ?

[FreeEnergy]

I saw a program couple of days ago about a plane going through a volcanic ash at high altitude, a few years back. Don't remember which airline, probably australian. They had all 4 engines shut down because of the dust, and were falling out of the sky into the ocean below. Then, once they fell down significantly below the cloud (which was a high altitude cloud), their engines got enough air to start one by one - 3 out of 4. They landed safely in closest airport, it was probably Malasia or Indonesia.

[Horn]

this guy has been successfully predicting quakes in the week i've been watching:





John Thomas Bryant Jr., who will someday be remembered as the father of astrotometry, (a new science with a holistic viewpoint) may be just the man to save many lives in the coming years.

http://paganviewpoint.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/astrotometry-its-implications-and-possibilities/

What complete crap, everyone knows it was our very own, keehah that was the father... geezus!!!

First it was Ponce's Hold it quote, Now this!!

You guys gotta start copyrighting this stuff!!!! :soap

[Jenna]

still belching up lava pretty good...

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-thorolfsfelli/

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-valahnjuk/

[Horn]

1) The best scenario is that over the next few days either the magma spends itself or the ice finally melts. Without ice, the eruption will become an ordinary one. Scientists have tried to send airplanes to the volcano to analyze how much ice is left, but even these airplanes were grounded by the clouds of ash.

2) The most likely scenario is a repeat of the 1821 eruption by the same volcano. That eruption sputtered off and on for 13 months. If this occurs again, European aviation may have to play cat and mouse for several weeks to months. Planes will only fly when the jet stream is blowing a certain direction or when the volcano is relatively quiet. Under this scenario, pilots will be in constant fear of encountering ash, which can shut down a plane's engines and sand blast its windshields to such an extent that it is impossible to see through them. There have been about 90 airplane encounters with volcanic ash since 1980, and in one instance all four of the plane's engines were shut down, almost causing a tragedy.

3) The worse case scenario, which is unlikely, involves this eruption triggering another, larger eruption. There are 35 active volcanoes in Iceland, and one eruption has been known to set off another. The worse case happened in 1783, with an eruption lasting eight months. That eruption killed off much of the livestock and agriculture in Iceland, which in turn caused the death of about 25% of the island's population.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575194100682717346.html?m od=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular




I wonder if they'd drop a couple daisycutter bunker busters on that thing it would take the glacier off?

Not big enough? 8)

[Horn]

New ash cloud sparks Qantas crisis talks


Qantas is holding crisis management talks amid reports that a fresh volcanic ash cloud is bearing down on European airspace.

British authorities say the eruption of Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull glacier volcano is intensifying and a new ash cloud is drifting south-east across the Atlantic towards the UK and northern Europe.

The news has cast doubt on moves to reopen airspace over Europe, where flight restrictions had been expected to be relaxed later today.

Airports in northern England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Belgium, France and Germany had been slowly grinding back into action and had been expected to allow planes back into the air from this afternoon.

But Qantas says it has been told that the new ash cloud could prevent some European airports from re-opening as planned.

Qantas spokesman David Epstein says there is confusion over a partial no-fly zone and how it will affect travel.

Qantas says it can no longer absorb the costs associated with stranded passengers and is now losing $1.5 million a day.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/04/20/2877532.htm

[uranian]

Anyway, Uranian I hope you & your family remain safe & are reunited.

thanks.


"The sun, at noon, looked as blank as a clouded moon, and shed a rust-coloured ferruginous light on the ground, and floors of rooms; but was particularly lurid and blood-coloured at rising and setting. At the same time the heat was so intense that butchers' meat could hardly be eaten on the day after it was killed; and the flies swarmed so in the lanes and hedges that they rendered the horses half frantic … the country people began to look with a superstitious awe, at the red, louring aspect of the sun."

beats text speak. interesting article that, keehah. if i weren't already stocked up on food, i'd be stocking up on food!

lightning on saturn (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/14/saturn-cassini-video-capt_n_537965.html), not hugely relevant but an interesting vid anyway.

seems some tests are finally being done:


An ATR42 equipped with special probes took off on Monday from Toulouse-Francazal towards Montpellier to take air samples. More flights scheduled on Tuesday further north. A second aircraft, a Falcon 20 is due to conduct more tests. Aircraft equipped by SAFIRE and the CNRS ( FRench national research and science center)

actual info (http://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Managing_the_Risk_to_the_Safety_of_Aircraft_in_Fli ght_Caused_by_Volcanic_Ash#Introduction) on the effect of volcanic ash on engines, imagine.

some reports now that the cloud is reaching the north american continent, supported by the latest met office projections of the cloud:

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation/vaac/data/VAG_1271719538.png

and i'll leave y'all with the Icelandic president's thoughts on all this:


...this eruption is a small reharsal of the Katla eruption......I'm not saying if but when.....it's time to start preparing for the Katla eruption...

[singular_me]

I posted this yesterday in the conspiracy forum but since it got onky 5 views, maybe more of you will find this informative... dangerous for cattle but not for humans...



Icelandic Livestock kept indoor to avoid fluoride released by volcano
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=2441.msg21474#msg21474

[Ponce]

Great pictures Horn, thanks..........

[uranian]

from urbansurvival:

[JJ.G0ldD0t]

Those volcanic ash/ lightning pics ROCK..

Great finds guys!

[keehah]

All that electrical activity raises some questions about the nature of the magma.

Measurements at an Alaskan volcano showed positive charge with magma. And the core of the earth does have net positive charge, here at the surface we live on an electrical double layer with the most negative charge. But as to the volcanic light show, I expect it is a little more complex than matter gaining some additional electrons.

We could be seeing some of this (links) becoming 'normal matter' as we experience it here on the surface.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_matter#Non-classical_states
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_matter

Edit to add example: Electric and electromagnetic outline of the Mount Somma–Vesuvius structural setting (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6VCS-3VGMC8R-D&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F1998&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1304676200&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=f878db940533d676404a38947d7e0799)

[uranian]

from a very brief read on degenerate matter, i understand it as basically extremely dense material, that will explode if whatever is putting pressure on it ceases to put that pressure on it.


With degenerate matter, since the position of the subatomic particles is compressed and packed in, we know a lot about their position - and thus their momentum becomes unpredictable. The more compressed the particles become, the more erratically they move - rather than being a solid, degenerate matter is like a cold version of plasma. Putting matter in such a state requires immense pressure and energy. The pressure is so intense, in some cases the atoms stop being atoms, and the nucleus of the former atoms breaks apart into it's constituent protons, which then break apart into their constituent sub-particles (quarks and gluons), which themselves start behaving abnormally.

i'm guessing you would start seeing high energy stuff like x-rays going on as the degenerate matter breaks apart. but how is this volcano any different from any other in this regard?

[Son-of-Liberty]

Anyone have any new updates about this? I don't really watch TV and have been busy so didn't check in here and I just found out about this. Seems like most of the news is bitching about the airlines while little is being said about possible long term affects.

Also thanks for the pictures. It is pretty evident that electrical energy is somehow involved in this eruption. I think I have heard James Mccanney talk about it, but I have not really studied it much like some of you have.

[Son-of-Liberty]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100421/science/science_us_iceland_volcano_13?printer=1


Iceland volcano spews less ash, eruption goes on
1 hour, 50 minutes ago


By Patrick Lannin

REYKJAVIK (Reuters) - The Icelandic volcano which grounded air traffic over Europe is still erupting, but it is spewing less ash, the meteorological office and experts said on Wednesday.


Close monitoring of the neighboring and potentially more dangerous Katla volcano was also taking place, but there have been no signs it has re-awakened, they added.


One professor said he was puzzled why the tremors in the erupting volcano continued to be so strong when the ash was going down, meaning there could be processes inside the volcano scientists did not know about.


"There is ongoing activity in the volcano and we don't see any signs of it coming to an end. There is less ash production, it is probably the same as yesterday," met office official Gudrun Nina Petersen told a news conference.


"The plume is very low, so most of the ash is falling here and keeping itself under 20,000 feet," she said.


At the glacier, clouds of smoke still poured from the top of the volcano, though at much lower levels than previously. The dense clouds were also drifting down the snow capped mountain.


The volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier, about 120 kilometers (75 miles) southeast of the capital Reykjavik, has been erupting for a week.


The huge ash cloud that it pumped out earlier in the eruption spread over most of Europe and aviation authorities grounded traffic for days due to fears of ash getting into plane engines and causing crashes. The ban has mostly been lifted.


For locals, ash was set to continue to fall in areas close to the volcano. "The amount of ash that is being produced is much less, but it is more polluted," added Sigurdur Gislason of the Institute of Earth Sciences.


He said the main concern about the ash was high levels of fluoride, which could poison livestock.


PUZZLED


Professor Pall Einarsson, also of the Institute of Earth Sciences, said the eruption was not losing force, though its explosivity, which had pushed up the plume of ash, had fallen.


"The plume at its highest was 9 km. It hasn't been going over 3 km now for several days," he told Reuters. He saw no sign of the eruption ending as the tremors from it were high.


"If the tremor was going down at the same time as the plume I would say we understand this. Now they are not going together. There is something going on that we don't understand. I don't like it particularly," he said.


On the other hand, he also said lava might be forming under the glacier, which would eventually flow down the glacier. This would not be particularly harmful, he added.


He said the Katla volcano, which last had a major eruption in 1918, was being closely monitored.


Katla is under a much larger glacier which is next to the current eruption and he said history showed that it often followed its next door neighbor in eruption.

"We don't see any signs at the moment that Katla has been re-awakened by this activity, but of course we still have to keep this possibility in mind," he said.

But the potential for damage was greater if Katla did blow.

"Eyjafjallajokull is a rather mild volcano, it is not very fierce. Katla, on the other hand, is a rather fierce volcano, it is highly active and it's dangerous," he said.

[po14015]

Unconfirmed Rumor Of British Airways Flight With Twin Engine Shutdown Diverted For Landing To Ostende, Belgium
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/21/2010 10:34 -0500

BelgiumUnited Kingdom


A (totally unconfirmed so far) rumor has surfaced on the Professional Pilot Rumor Network that a British Airways 747 flight has suffered a twin engine failure over north UK, and was forced to divert for an emergency landing in Ostende, Belgium.

From the forum:

(unconfirmed) 747 diversion with two engines shut down?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just heard that in the north of the uk a BA 747 has had a twin engine shut down, and diverted? From a mil source, but no further info, can anyone confirm or deny?
Further details, landed in Ostend with engine damage....
I cannot reveal sources for fear of reprisals in my line of work, but a 747 has definatly landed with engine damage in Ostend.... As said, the original post was the first rumblings, all info since had come from a very well placed source. Unsure on other details but it has impacted where I work, flying seems to have been halted again.
We will keep you updated as this rumor is either confirmed or denied. Of course, should this prove true, the implications for further airspace shutdowns will be severe.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/unconfirmed-rumor-british-airways-flight-twin-engine-shutdown-diverted-landing-ostende-belgi

[po14015]

From another site:
"Ok i will clear all the confusion up,it was an MD11 frieghter from Maastricht to Ostende at FL150,when we landed we found evidence of something whether it was ash or just plain old dust we shall know when the engines(3of) are boroscoped which is happening as i type.No drama,some people know how to make a mountain out of a mole hill.But as engineers we had to err on the side of safety and follow the maintenance manual to the letter as always.I think World have done the right thing and followed the procedures,now if the boroscope does find something then alot of airlines are going to be looking for a new engine(s)."

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/412863-unconfirmed-747-diversion-two-engines-shut-down-2.html

[Horn]

Guess we'll return back to the 30's in more than a couple ways?

http://flyawaysimulation.com/article3322.html

[uranian]

Ashes of American aircraft engines in Ostend (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.standaard.be%2Fartikel%2Fdetail .aspx%3Fartikelid%3DDMF20100420_144&sl=auto&tl=en)


When inspecting an aircraft of the U.S. airline World Airways at the International Airport Ostend-Bruges is volcanic ash found on the engines. The engines are slightly damaged, the unit is being kept on the ground for further investigation. The plane landed Tuesday afternoon after being taken off in Maastricht. The aircraft of World Airways was the second aircraft that landed at Ostend. An inspection of the first device was found no ashes. This unit is also in Ostend. A second cargo flight from World Airways was canceled Tuesday by the discovery of the first unit.

seems like there's an attempt to keep this quiet, very little news on it, but that's from a major belgian newspaper.

[uranian]

quake activity around eyja/katla:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/eyja_trem_eruption.png

location of the recorders:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/347/icelw.jpg

hekla geophone is still getting busier:

http://www.simnet.is/jonfr500/earthquake/hkbz.gif

couple of small (less than 2 on the richter scale) quakes within the past 24 hours around eyja:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/skjalftar/myrdalsj.png

[Neuro]

I have no idea how to interpret the tremor charts above in relation to volcanoes but it seems as if things are heating up in Iceland...

[uranian]

i'm far from an expert on this either, but looking at those charts, the spike on 14th april was when eyja started up again, causing 800 people to be evacuated. that happened with a cluster of quakes around 2 on the richter scale, was preceded by a few days by a 3.1 quake.

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/arg/png/eyjafjallajokull_15d.png

so i'm guessing that if a 2ish richter scale quake happened when the geophone data was around 2000 on the Goðabungu (abbr. god) station, watch for more eruptions if it reaches/exceeds that level again. as you say, it's building, as is the hekla geophone data.

[uranian]

great vid from a couple of days ago of the volcano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6dDesUPkMo

[uranian]

quake just happened...the red data on the geophone.

[Neuro]

quake just happened...the red data on the geophone.
I saw that too!
Strength?

[uranian]

another. i dunno how to translate the geophone data into richter scale, but that's 2 (presumably minor) quakes at katla within a couple of hours. seems common that the quakes will cluster together before an eruption. not showing up on the overall iceland quake map:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/skjalftar/island.png

[uranian]

RAF Typhoon training halted as ash found in engines (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8637978.stm)

Washington-Moscow flight strands passengers in Azores after emergency landing (http://en.rian.ru/world/20100422/158697192.html)

perfectly safe up there, it seems!

edited to add this (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1267996/Iceland-volcano-RAF-suspends-Typhoon-flight-training-ash-engine.html), 2 other planes that have had problems due to ash.

[Neuro]

quake activity around eyja/katla:

http://hraun.vedur.is/ja/Katla2009/eyja_trem_eruption.png



Seems like the tremor activity is picking up slowly

[Neuro]

Bump!

The activity is continuing up according to the seismographs... We should continue to keep an eye on this... I get the impression looking at the graphs it is like a pressure boiler and the pressure at this point is slowly building up over the days in increments.

[Neuro]

bump again. IMO it is quite likely we'll see Katla erupting soon. Does anyone have any volcano news?seems like we are still waiting at a high plateau with rumbling at around 1-2 on the Richter scale, is that the volcano creating this effect? At this point I have been relegated to only using the iPhone since my netbook is in a constant scrolling mode, probably some dirt under the keyboard... Can't post any links now though. :(

[Serpo]

Richard Branson, the boss of airline Virgin Atlantic, has hit out at the decision to ground flights due to volcanic ash from Iceland, saying there had been "no danger at all to flying".

Branson also called on Britain's government to pay compensation to airlines, who have been left at least A$1.88 billion out of pocket, according to the airline industry umbrella body IATA.

"This was very much a government decision to ground the planes and we would suggest that the government should compensate the industry," Branson said in London.

"Behind the scenes, our engineers and all the experts were telling us that there was no danger at all to flying and that the danger would have been if we had flown close to Iceland through the volcano."

He added there were "plenty of corridors" which airlines could have flown through and said: "I think the government has accepted that there was overreaction.

"A blanket ban of the whole of Europe was not the right decision."

Clouds of ash from an Icelandic volcano caused a week of massive disruption and left hundreds of thousands of travellers stranded as many European countries closed their airspace, only reopening earlier this week.

Virgin Atlantic said it is receiving "many calls" from passengers offering to give up their seats for passengers who have been stranded by the volcanic ash.

It added that this will be possible without penalty for some flights subject to certain conditions.

Meanwhile, British Airways is asking customers with long haul bookings up to May 2 to consider giving up their seats to help stranded passengers get home.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=1044459

[Neuro]

Bump!

The last 24 hours there has been a lot of shakes around eyafjallajokull. The general tremor activity has decreased though...

Look above at Uranians post, for uptodate information about tremor and earthquakes...

[Neuro]

Lots of earthquakes yesterday and 2-3 days before. Today it is silent... Wasn't this the same scenario just before the eruption in mid-April? Further the sun had a massive coronal ejection a few hours ago... I wouldn't be surprised if we see a huge eruption within 48 hours...

[Horn]

What about the lunar calender?

keehah has been right on about that so far, we'll see.

but another new moon isn't for another week.

[Neuro]

What about the lunar calender?

keehah has been right on about that so far, we'll see.

but another new moon isn't for another week.



New moon coming, yesterday there were 57 earthquakes around Eyjafjallajokull ( a record number for the last month)...