TheNocturnalEgyptian
17th April 2010, 11:33 AM
Okay here's the deal. There is a lot of mis-info in this post. There are a few points that feel like dis-info, or badly formed opinion. The bulk, however, I found interesting. If you have powerful abilities of discernment (read: BS filter) this interview may interest you...If you want to comment on the parts that are propoganda, you're certainly welcome to...I have already identified several obvious parts as propoganda...
Remember...They always send us lies and truth mixed together...If you really want to learn, it does involve reading a lot of stuff that is NOT true and discerning the truth based on what is being supported or omitted...
Egyptian
BF: Yeah, I mean, we’re actually working on concrete projects at this point.
DW: Yeah, I’m very aware that you’ve done that. And I’ve actually, as you know, been in contact with some of the people who contacted you originally when this all got started, specifically someone on the Japanese Royalty.
I got to say Benjamin that I really think that you’ve taken some abuse on the Internet that’s unwarranted, as does anybody who’s really bringing out the truth. It’s like the entrenched power interests have a stake in trying to ridicule you, to some degree.
I just want to say that, as one of the more respected researchers in this field, and how many people read my stuff, that everybody knows that my perspective has always been that you’re coming from a place of integrity.
I just want to again commend you on the ability that you’ve had to tow the line and stay on this very difficult path, given the opposition that you face and the ridicule that you’re inevitably going to face, when you break out of the mainstream and go into these kinds of subjects.
BF: Well you see, they might ridicule me, but they always refuse to debate me directly, because they know I would crush them with facts and truth. So, you know, I don’t really pay attention to these cowardly people and the disinformation agents on the Net. They’re just not... I don’t have the time.
And I do deal directly... I mean, I really do have direct contact with very important movers and shakers, and we are working on a new financial system. And, no matter what they do, they can’t stop it, so you know...
DW: What are your debunkers typically saying, in terms of how in the world you could have gotten access to David Rockefeller in an interview? I mean, what’s the typical skeptical attack that they could even give you on that? Because I mean, obviously...
BF: Well...
DW: ...there you are, interviewing the guy.
BF: Look, I mean, the David Rockefeller thing was... People think he must be an insider. But, no, what happened was he came here to ask for money from the Emperor and he appeared at a book signing at a bookstore in Japan.
They suddenly closed the bookstore, a bunch of security came in, and there was David Rockefeller. Somebody took a picture of him and put it on the Net, and somebody forwarded that picture to me, saying he thought David Rockefeller’s in town.
And I know when bigwigs come; they usually stay at the Hotel Okura, which is across the street from the US Embassy.
DW: Ah!
BF: So, I waited until 10 o’clock at night, which is I figured when all his handlers would have gone to bed, but he’d still be awake. I phoned the hotel and said, “Could I please talk to David Rockefeller?” And they put me through to his room!
DW: Oh my God!
BF: And I said, “Can I interview you?” And he said, “Yes.” So, I went the next morning with a camera from RAN TV and interviewed him.
DW: That’s incredible! [laughs] So, this was not facilitated by your contacts within the Japanese Royalty, or anything.
BF: No.
DW: This was just something you did on your own initiative.
BF: Yeah. I mean, as a journalist, I knew this. I’ve done this before with people like Paul Volcker, you know.
DW: Right.
BF: You know where they stay, and if you call in English instead of Japanese, they think you must be an insider and they just put you straight through to these people.
DW: Wow. Unbelievable.
BF: But, the other thing is -- I could have told the Japanese sort-of-underworld types and they could have dragged him off somewhere. But, you know I’m not a gangster; I’m a journalist, so I didn’t tell them, okay? I didn’t let those dangerous people know where he was.
DW: Well I think that’s a good thing. I don’t think that at this point it’s going to be constructive to, as Christopher Story calls it, “horizontalize” anyone.
But, there are going to be some tribunals. I mean, if you read Christopher Story’s article, which you endorsed recently in one of your latest posts, he’s basically saying that the floodgates have been opened and INTERPOL is now free to work in the US.
As of December 6th, the whole thing is starting to be shut down, this “OPERATION STILLPOINT” that was run by the Bush administration.
BF: Yeah, I know. I have my own sources, who I have verified to be... you know, senior members of the Rothschild family, and a person through the remote viewing outfit at the CIA and other... you know, I have my own personal high-level contacts.
So, if I write something that’s the same as Mr. Story, it means that I have confirmed it with my own sources. I would not, you know, write something... Like, if you’re a journalist and it appears in writing, it means somebody has beaten you to the story.
DW: That’s true.
BF: So anything I write, I have confirmed with sources I believe to be reliable. And if it turns out to be wrong, I’ll issue a correction.
In fact, one thing I must... I said that George Bush Sr. was killed, but what I really... would likely say: “We haven’t confirmed it.”
DW: Right.
BF: But, what I was able to confirm at the time of the Fort Hood shootings, independently, was that there were a lot of VIP limousines there, that there were many contradictory stories about how many shooters there were.
George Bush Sr. and his wife were immediately rushed to the hospital afterwards and that, you know, the MI6 people were telling me there had been an attempt on his life. But then you see him appear at a football game.
And what they told me... And you see, the stuff... there’s a lot of stuff I hear that I don’t write, because I just don’t find it credible. But, what they told me was that they had replaced him with a clone, and it was an old and not very good-quality one.
Now, I don’t know if that’s true or not and I don’t want to put something like that, because like I say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
But, we have confirmed that he’s very senile. Maybe he forgets... he forgets what he said three minutes ago and he’s no longer the real power; it’s his wife...
And the other thing about Henry Kissinger... again, my sources tell me that. Now they may put out an old video of him on TV to try to discredit me, but until I confirm otherwise, I believe he was taken out.
DW: Well there’s no question that the action has really reached its pinnacle here. There is such depth of data in Christopher Story’s presentation, and it obviously is correlating independently with what you’re saying. I do think it’s unfortunate that he chose to attack you, based on some sort of paranoia that just because your Black Dragon Society has, you know...
BF: Obviously, he’s providing good information.
DW: Yeah.
BF: But obviously, he has a few personality problems and I think it’s best not to, you know, get involved in some kind of tit-for-tat argument with the man. But if it’s a libelous issue, I have to issue a correction, that’s all.
DW: Right. And what I will say is that when you recently, in your post from the 13th of January, disclosed the actual nature and structure of the Black Dragon Society.
It basically seems as if you’ve got just about everybody on Earth in all the varying factions singularly unified against this Bush-run cartel of the so-called Rockefeller faction. That seems to be what’s happened here. Is that correct?
BF: Yeah... no, there’s... Basically we’re dealing with the Royal families of Europe, the Thule Society, and the people who own the, you know, the printing machines for money worldwide, except for the bank of China.
DW: Okay.
BF: And, you know basically, they’ve been ruled by terror and murder for hundreds of years and they’ve been very scared.
And so, the minute some people came out with some actual, you know, backing, in other words, some heavies standing behind you, so you can speak the truth without worrying about being immediately killed, then all sorts of people popped out of the woodwork and said, “Oh yes, we hate those guys. Please help us.”
You know? And “We’re not with them.” This is the sort of thing that happened.
But it’s clearly not over. They still have a lot of power because they’re still, you know, you’re reading all that nonsense in the corporate propaganda media, still.
DW: Correct.
BF: And the Washington show is still going on with all its, you know, the continuing wars and murder and stuff. So, it’s not over. Yet, there are very serious forces aligning themselves saying: “Look. We’ve been making a mess running this planet and we need to change how we behave as a species.” And I think that consensus is getting very powerful now.
You say: “Our membership includes high-level members of the Rothschild family who want to use some of their gold to pay off US external debts. They agree to help the planet, so long as they can continue to live in their big castles and be surrounded by servants. We say, ‘Okay, why not? They can mobilize much of the British Empire, so let’s work with them.’ ”
Now, you then say: “P-2 Masonic Lodge in Italy, control of the Vatican, the Mafia, and they have also agreed to help save the planet. So long as they long offer to help the poor, the hungry, and the weak of this planet, we say: ‘Good, let us see action now and not words.’ ”
Now these two things, I understand why you’re doing this. I would also say that probably 90% to 95% of people that are into conspiracy theories are going to want to literally rip you apart for having said that you work with these folks. Just because they are out there, I’d be happy to share my perspective on why you’re saying this, but I’d like to hear from you first.
BF: Yeah. Look, these people are not a monolith. Okay? It’s not like a single evil entity.
And what you had was some very bad people at the top and we had this whole faction of the Nazis, who believed in creating a super-race of super-humans and enslaving the rest of humanity. They were vicious murderers and they ruled through terror and assassination.
A lot of people who they were ruling at the top of these secret groups hated their guts and really wished something could be done about it.
So, the Rothschilds are not like... I mean they’re so many of them now. You’ve got to remember that we’re talking about the descendents of King David and many different royal families and factions and whatever. And so, a lot of them...
There was a big split in the Rothschild family between the people who own the money-printing machines and the people who actually had physical gold.
DW: Hm.
BF: What happened was, the people with the money machines, in order to keep power, they deliberately shut this gold out of the financial system. So, they wouldn’t recognize it.
If you brought the gold in – and this happened with Marcos in the 1980’s; he tried to sell some of this gold in Japan – is that they will not accept the gold if it doesn’t have the right stamp on it.
Rockefeller and the CIA were illegally taking a lot of this gold and laundering it into the financial system in order to keep themselves in power, so there was a rogue group of murderous Nazis who kind of, you know, were carrying out this plot, and there was a group that was fighting them in secret for a long time.
This was a people who backed Kennedy versus the people who assassinated Kennedy.
DW: Right. Now, in my “Disclosure Endgame” book, I bring up the testimony of Dr. Peter David Beter, who documents in quite some detail in a series of audio transcripts beginning in 1975 and continuing to around 1982, or something, all of these inside politics going on.
And he boiled it down to three major factions, which would primarily be your Rockefeller faction; your Rothschild faction, which he called the “Bolshevik-Zionist Axis”, saying that they have an Israeli presence, as well as a Soviet presence.
And then he was saying that the third axis was what he called the “New Kremlin”, which was actually a group that had been fighting these so-called Illuminati for some 200 years and were actually instrumental in the overthrow of the Bolsheviks from power in the Soviet Union in the late 1970s.
Now, there is some very, very interesting depth of data in this stuff. All of the interviews with him are transcribed and you can listen to the original audio for free and read the transcripts.
BF: Well, let me tell you my understanding of how the factions work.
DW: Yes, that would be wonderful.
BF: You actually have to go back to the time of when the Jews were taken to Babylonian captivity. What happened was, the Babylonian King killed the male descendents of King David.
His bodyguard, his imperial guard, decided to become a secret society and restore the bloodline of their king by protecting the females in the family. So they were married off to various princes in different places and they kind of secretly guarded them. And before Jerusalem fell, they buried and hid the gold that they had, and so…
DW: Who’s the “they”? I’m sorry, who’s the “they”?
BF: The descendants of David.
DW: Okay.
BF: So, when they went on the Crusades, they dug up the gold and they became the Knights Templars.
And they built a bunch of banks and charitable works around Europe, and then on Friday the 13th, in 1300, whatever it was, the King of France and the Pope starting arresting them all and killing them and torturing them. They found out they were worship[ing] the Skull and Bones, called Baphomet, and stuff.
Then they fled in several directions. One group fled to the mountains of Switzerland, and that later became the BIS [Bank of International Settlements] and the Swiss whole thing, banking thing.
Another group fled to northern Europe and they became the kind of Teutonic Knights, the Knights Templars in the Nazi Thule Society.
A different group fled to Scotland, where they formed the Rosslyn Chapel and they intermarried with the British Royal family.
Another group went to Spain, and they were kicked out of Spain and sent to North America, and that was in 1492.
So, these are the different factions that originally existed. In more moderate times, I think that what your friend was saying, or your source was saying, was more or less right, but there is a pro-Russian Christian faction that kicked them out of Russia [to keep the power]? [muffled] 35:04
DW: Right.
BF: Then there is a faction in the British, who’ve always been fighting the Vatican and the Jesuits. Then the Jesuits and the Vatican tell me that the real problem was the Thule Society-Muslim alliance.
DW: Oh really?
BF: Yes, and they said the Muslims are still ruled by a Caliph. You see, they’re all cousins and royal families and they intermarry, so they actually have a leader of all these different kingdoms who controls the Sunni Muslims.
There was a battle between cousins 700 years ago or whatever, which resulted in the creation of Shia Muslims.
Then in Asia, I think China, I believe, there are basically three factions. There is the Chinese Communist Party; there is the Shin Emperor – in other words, the last Emperor, who supposedly died as a gardener, was not the last Emperor. The grandson is now the Emperor and he controls an awful lot of gold and money.
Then there’s a faction in Taiwan that wants to restore the Ming Dynasty. A lot of them have been bribed by the Federal Reserve Board and this is the Ming that Christopher Story refers to.
DW: Oh, okay, understood.
BF: In Japan, I would say the secret government, 70% are pro-Western and 30% are pro-Chinese at this point.
DW: But pro-Western could also mean that they sold out to the Rockefellers.
BF: A lot of them did. You know, just look at the Trilateral Commission membership list of Japanese, and you’ll see the ones that work for Rockefeller.
DW: Right.
BF: They are led by former Prime Minister Nakasone and that whole group. But, they are no longer really in control here. The battle is still going on. Basically, the Emperor signed a treaty with the Rockefellers. Things are changing here too, but it’s not over.
So in other words, there’s a lot of chaos and confusion, but what is for sure is that the Asians – that includes the Japanese and the Chinese, and the southeast Asian countries – have all agreed that they control most of the world’s money and they’re no longer going to let the City of London and Wall Street decide how it’s invested.
That is the core of this crisis. You see, the people of Wall Street and the City don’t want to lose their power, and this is what the battle’s all about.
DW: Yes, I think a fascinating point to interject here, is if you go back to Peter David Beter’s testimony and you look at his history of the Rockefellers, what you realize is that their world power and how it manifested simply came from the economic advantage that they held as the kingpins of the oil economy.
I think that when the Rothschilds set them up, they underestimated how dominant that economic force would be, that this group would end up splintering off and becoming such a megalithic force throughout most of the 20th century.
BF: Well, yeah, there you have it. You have the Rothschilds pushing this global warming, which was really an effort to promote the nuclear industry and make it seem environmentally friendly again...
DW: Right.
BF: ...as they battle against the oil and the war industry in the US. So you got two big factions there fighting. That was manifested in the election that Al Gore had stolen from him, although it turns out he’s also a scumbag. [laughs]
But, what the thing that they have in common is that they want to have a central control over the energy. They want to charge everybody a monthly bill.
DW: When you say “they have in common”, you mean the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers?
BF: Yes, the different factions all want centralized control of the economy. In other words, they all want to have a Babylonian God-King type system, you know, a secret ruler with Godlike powers, and everything under central control.
What the difference is -- who is that person in central control? That’s what the fighting has been about.
And I think what most of humanity says is “We’re tired of having secret God-Kings ruling us and we want this system to end.”
So, that’s the other real battle and I, personally, believe in meritocracy as the best form of government. That is a pyramid that anybody can climb to the top, if they are good enough, with complete transparency.
DW: Well, I think the gist of what you’re also saying here, just to reiterate this point, is that the other countries of whom you’ve mentioned, there are a variety of factions, have now eclipsed the economic power and growth of either the Rothschild or the Rockefeller factions.
BF: That’s right. They were afraid that they were going to lose control. That’s why they wanted to kill everybody. But, you know, the Asians and the Asian Secret Society have been fighting them for hundreds of years, and doing business with them at the same time, I might add.
For example, some of the people I talked to sold heroin to the CIA during the Vietnam war.
DW: Right.
Remember...They always send us lies and truth mixed together...If you really want to learn, it does involve reading a lot of stuff that is NOT true and discerning the truth based on what is being supported or omitted...
Egyptian
BF: Yeah, I mean, we’re actually working on concrete projects at this point.
DW: Yeah, I’m very aware that you’ve done that. And I’ve actually, as you know, been in contact with some of the people who contacted you originally when this all got started, specifically someone on the Japanese Royalty.
I got to say Benjamin that I really think that you’ve taken some abuse on the Internet that’s unwarranted, as does anybody who’s really bringing out the truth. It’s like the entrenched power interests have a stake in trying to ridicule you, to some degree.
I just want to say that, as one of the more respected researchers in this field, and how many people read my stuff, that everybody knows that my perspective has always been that you’re coming from a place of integrity.
I just want to again commend you on the ability that you’ve had to tow the line and stay on this very difficult path, given the opposition that you face and the ridicule that you’re inevitably going to face, when you break out of the mainstream and go into these kinds of subjects.
BF: Well you see, they might ridicule me, but they always refuse to debate me directly, because they know I would crush them with facts and truth. So, you know, I don’t really pay attention to these cowardly people and the disinformation agents on the Net. They’re just not... I don’t have the time.
And I do deal directly... I mean, I really do have direct contact with very important movers and shakers, and we are working on a new financial system. And, no matter what they do, they can’t stop it, so you know...
DW: What are your debunkers typically saying, in terms of how in the world you could have gotten access to David Rockefeller in an interview? I mean, what’s the typical skeptical attack that they could even give you on that? Because I mean, obviously...
BF: Well...
DW: ...there you are, interviewing the guy.
BF: Look, I mean, the David Rockefeller thing was... People think he must be an insider. But, no, what happened was he came here to ask for money from the Emperor and he appeared at a book signing at a bookstore in Japan.
They suddenly closed the bookstore, a bunch of security came in, and there was David Rockefeller. Somebody took a picture of him and put it on the Net, and somebody forwarded that picture to me, saying he thought David Rockefeller’s in town.
And I know when bigwigs come; they usually stay at the Hotel Okura, which is across the street from the US Embassy.
DW: Ah!
BF: So, I waited until 10 o’clock at night, which is I figured when all his handlers would have gone to bed, but he’d still be awake. I phoned the hotel and said, “Could I please talk to David Rockefeller?” And they put me through to his room!
DW: Oh my God!
BF: And I said, “Can I interview you?” And he said, “Yes.” So, I went the next morning with a camera from RAN TV and interviewed him.
DW: That’s incredible! [laughs] So, this was not facilitated by your contacts within the Japanese Royalty, or anything.
BF: No.
DW: This was just something you did on your own initiative.
BF: Yeah. I mean, as a journalist, I knew this. I’ve done this before with people like Paul Volcker, you know.
DW: Right.
BF: You know where they stay, and if you call in English instead of Japanese, they think you must be an insider and they just put you straight through to these people.
DW: Wow. Unbelievable.
BF: But, the other thing is -- I could have told the Japanese sort-of-underworld types and they could have dragged him off somewhere. But, you know I’m not a gangster; I’m a journalist, so I didn’t tell them, okay? I didn’t let those dangerous people know where he was.
DW: Well I think that’s a good thing. I don’t think that at this point it’s going to be constructive to, as Christopher Story calls it, “horizontalize” anyone.
But, there are going to be some tribunals. I mean, if you read Christopher Story’s article, which you endorsed recently in one of your latest posts, he’s basically saying that the floodgates have been opened and INTERPOL is now free to work in the US.
As of December 6th, the whole thing is starting to be shut down, this “OPERATION STILLPOINT” that was run by the Bush administration.
BF: Yeah, I know. I have my own sources, who I have verified to be... you know, senior members of the Rothschild family, and a person through the remote viewing outfit at the CIA and other... you know, I have my own personal high-level contacts.
So, if I write something that’s the same as Mr. Story, it means that I have confirmed it with my own sources. I would not, you know, write something... Like, if you’re a journalist and it appears in writing, it means somebody has beaten you to the story.
DW: That’s true.
BF: So anything I write, I have confirmed with sources I believe to be reliable. And if it turns out to be wrong, I’ll issue a correction.
In fact, one thing I must... I said that George Bush Sr. was killed, but what I really... would likely say: “We haven’t confirmed it.”
DW: Right.
BF: But, what I was able to confirm at the time of the Fort Hood shootings, independently, was that there were a lot of VIP limousines there, that there were many contradictory stories about how many shooters there were.
George Bush Sr. and his wife were immediately rushed to the hospital afterwards and that, you know, the MI6 people were telling me there had been an attempt on his life. But then you see him appear at a football game.
And what they told me... And you see, the stuff... there’s a lot of stuff I hear that I don’t write, because I just don’t find it credible. But, what they told me was that they had replaced him with a clone, and it was an old and not very good-quality one.
Now, I don’t know if that’s true or not and I don’t want to put something like that, because like I say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
But, we have confirmed that he’s very senile. Maybe he forgets... he forgets what he said three minutes ago and he’s no longer the real power; it’s his wife...
And the other thing about Henry Kissinger... again, my sources tell me that. Now they may put out an old video of him on TV to try to discredit me, but until I confirm otherwise, I believe he was taken out.
DW: Well there’s no question that the action has really reached its pinnacle here. There is such depth of data in Christopher Story’s presentation, and it obviously is correlating independently with what you’re saying. I do think it’s unfortunate that he chose to attack you, based on some sort of paranoia that just because your Black Dragon Society has, you know...
BF: Obviously, he’s providing good information.
DW: Yeah.
BF: But obviously, he has a few personality problems and I think it’s best not to, you know, get involved in some kind of tit-for-tat argument with the man. But if it’s a libelous issue, I have to issue a correction, that’s all.
DW: Right. And what I will say is that when you recently, in your post from the 13th of January, disclosed the actual nature and structure of the Black Dragon Society.
It basically seems as if you’ve got just about everybody on Earth in all the varying factions singularly unified against this Bush-run cartel of the so-called Rockefeller faction. That seems to be what’s happened here. Is that correct?
BF: Yeah... no, there’s... Basically we’re dealing with the Royal families of Europe, the Thule Society, and the people who own the, you know, the printing machines for money worldwide, except for the bank of China.
DW: Okay.
BF: And, you know basically, they’ve been ruled by terror and murder for hundreds of years and they’ve been very scared.
And so, the minute some people came out with some actual, you know, backing, in other words, some heavies standing behind you, so you can speak the truth without worrying about being immediately killed, then all sorts of people popped out of the woodwork and said, “Oh yes, we hate those guys. Please help us.”
You know? And “We’re not with them.” This is the sort of thing that happened.
But it’s clearly not over. They still have a lot of power because they’re still, you know, you’re reading all that nonsense in the corporate propaganda media, still.
DW: Correct.
BF: And the Washington show is still going on with all its, you know, the continuing wars and murder and stuff. So, it’s not over. Yet, there are very serious forces aligning themselves saying: “Look. We’ve been making a mess running this planet and we need to change how we behave as a species.” And I think that consensus is getting very powerful now.
You say: “Our membership includes high-level members of the Rothschild family who want to use some of their gold to pay off US external debts. They agree to help the planet, so long as they can continue to live in their big castles and be surrounded by servants. We say, ‘Okay, why not? They can mobilize much of the British Empire, so let’s work with them.’ ”
Now, you then say: “P-2 Masonic Lodge in Italy, control of the Vatican, the Mafia, and they have also agreed to help save the planet. So long as they long offer to help the poor, the hungry, and the weak of this planet, we say: ‘Good, let us see action now and not words.’ ”
Now these two things, I understand why you’re doing this. I would also say that probably 90% to 95% of people that are into conspiracy theories are going to want to literally rip you apart for having said that you work with these folks. Just because they are out there, I’d be happy to share my perspective on why you’re saying this, but I’d like to hear from you first.
BF: Yeah. Look, these people are not a monolith. Okay? It’s not like a single evil entity.
And what you had was some very bad people at the top and we had this whole faction of the Nazis, who believed in creating a super-race of super-humans and enslaving the rest of humanity. They were vicious murderers and they ruled through terror and assassination.
A lot of people who they were ruling at the top of these secret groups hated their guts and really wished something could be done about it.
So, the Rothschilds are not like... I mean they’re so many of them now. You’ve got to remember that we’re talking about the descendents of King David and many different royal families and factions and whatever. And so, a lot of them...
There was a big split in the Rothschild family between the people who own the money-printing machines and the people who actually had physical gold.
DW: Hm.
BF: What happened was, the people with the money machines, in order to keep power, they deliberately shut this gold out of the financial system. So, they wouldn’t recognize it.
If you brought the gold in – and this happened with Marcos in the 1980’s; he tried to sell some of this gold in Japan – is that they will not accept the gold if it doesn’t have the right stamp on it.
Rockefeller and the CIA were illegally taking a lot of this gold and laundering it into the financial system in order to keep themselves in power, so there was a rogue group of murderous Nazis who kind of, you know, were carrying out this plot, and there was a group that was fighting them in secret for a long time.
This was a people who backed Kennedy versus the people who assassinated Kennedy.
DW: Right. Now, in my “Disclosure Endgame” book, I bring up the testimony of Dr. Peter David Beter, who documents in quite some detail in a series of audio transcripts beginning in 1975 and continuing to around 1982, or something, all of these inside politics going on.
And he boiled it down to three major factions, which would primarily be your Rockefeller faction; your Rothschild faction, which he called the “Bolshevik-Zionist Axis”, saying that they have an Israeli presence, as well as a Soviet presence.
And then he was saying that the third axis was what he called the “New Kremlin”, which was actually a group that had been fighting these so-called Illuminati for some 200 years and were actually instrumental in the overthrow of the Bolsheviks from power in the Soviet Union in the late 1970s.
Now, there is some very, very interesting depth of data in this stuff. All of the interviews with him are transcribed and you can listen to the original audio for free and read the transcripts.
BF: Well, let me tell you my understanding of how the factions work.
DW: Yes, that would be wonderful.
BF: You actually have to go back to the time of when the Jews were taken to Babylonian captivity. What happened was, the Babylonian King killed the male descendents of King David.
His bodyguard, his imperial guard, decided to become a secret society and restore the bloodline of their king by protecting the females in the family. So they were married off to various princes in different places and they kind of secretly guarded them. And before Jerusalem fell, they buried and hid the gold that they had, and so…
DW: Who’s the “they”? I’m sorry, who’s the “they”?
BF: The descendants of David.
DW: Okay.
BF: So, when they went on the Crusades, they dug up the gold and they became the Knights Templars.
And they built a bunch of banks and charitable works around Europe, and then on Friday the 13th, in 1300, whatever it was, the King of France and the Pope starting arresting them all and killing them and torturing them. They found out they were worship[ing] the Skull and Bones, called Baphomet, and stuff.
Then they fled in several directions. One group fled to the mountains of Switzerland, and that later became the BIS [Bank of International Settlements] and the Swiss whole thing, banking thing.
Another group fled to northern Europe and they became the kind of Teutonic Knights, the Knights Templars in the Nazi Thule Society.
A different group fled to Scotland, where they formed the Rosslyn Chapel and they intermarried with the British Royal family.
Another group went to Spain, and they were kicked out of Spain and sent to North America, and that was in 1492.
So, these are the different factions that originally existed. In more moderate times, I think that what your friend was saying, or your source was saying, was more or less right, but there is a pro-Russian Christian faction that kicked them out of Russia [to keep the power]? [muffled] 35:04
DW: Right.
BF: Then there is a faction in the British, who’ve always been fighting the Vatican and the Jesuits. Then the Jesuits and the Vatican tell me that the real problem was the Thule Society-Muslim alliance.
DW: Oh really?
BF: Yes, and they said the Muslims are still ruled by a Caliph. You see, they’re all cousins and royal families and they intermarry, so they actually have a leader of all these different kingdoms who controls the Sunni Muslims.
There was a battle between cousins 700 years ago or whatever, which resulted in the creation of Shia Muslims.
Then in Asia, I think China, I believe, there are basically three factions. There is the Chinese Communist Party; there is the Shin Emperor – in other words, the last Emperor, who supposedly died as a gardener, was not the last Emperor. The grandson is now the Emperor and he controls an awful lot of gold and money.
Then there’s a faction in Taiwan that wants to restore the Ming Dynasty. A lot of them have been bribed by the Federal Reserve Board and this is the Ming that Christopher Story refers to.
DW: Oh, okay, understood.
BF: In Japan, I would say the secret government, 70% are pro-Western and 30% are pro-Chinese at this point.
DW: But pro-Western could also mean that they sold out to the Rockefellers.
BF: A lot of them did. You know, just look at the Trilateral Commission membership list of Japanese, and you’ll see the ones that work for Rockefeller.
DW: Right.
BF: They are led by former Prime Minister Nakasone and that whole group. But, they are no longer really in control here. The battle is still going on. Basically, the Emperor signed a treaty with the Rockefellers. Things are changing here too, but it’s not over.
So in other words, there’s a lot of chaos and confusion, but what is for sure is that the Asians – that includes the Japanese and the Chinese, and the southeast Asian countries – have all agreed that they control most of the world’s money and they’re no longer going to let the City of London and Wall Street decide how it’s invested.
That is the core of this crisis. You see, the people of Wall Street and the City don’t want to lose their power, and this is what the battle’s all about.
DW: Yes, I think a fascinating point to interject here, is if you go back to Peter David Beter’s testimony and you look at his history of the Rockefellers, what you realize is that their world power and how it manifested simply came from the economic advantage that they held as the kingpins of the oil economy.
I think that when the Rothschilds set them up, they underestimated how dominant that economic force would be, that this group would end up splintering off and becoming such a megalithic force throughout most of the 20th century.
BF: Well, yeah, there you have it. You have the Rothschilds pushing this global warming, which was really an effort to promote the nuclear industry and make it seem environmentally friendly again...
DW: Right.
BF: ...as they battle against the oil and the war industry in the US. So you got two big factions there fighting. That was manifested in the election that Al Gore had stolen from him, although it turns out he’s also a scumbag. [laughs]
But, what the thing that they have in common is that they want to have a central control over the energy. They want to charge everybody a monthly bill.
DW: When you say “they have in common”, you mean the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers?
BF: Yes, the different factions all want centralized control of the economy. In other words, they all want to have a Babylonian God-King type system, you know, a secret ruler with Godlike powers, and everything under central control.
What the difference is -- who is that person in central control? That’s what the fighting has been about.
And I think what most of humanity says is “We’re tired of having secret God-Kings ruling us and we want this system to end.”
So, that’s the other real battle and I, personally, believe in meritocracy as the best form of government. That is a pyramid that anybody can climb to the top, if they are good enough, with complete transparency.
DW: Well, I think the gist of what you’re also saying here, just to reiterate this point, is that the other countries of whom you’ve mentioned, there are a variety of factions, have now eclipsed the economic power and growth of either the Rothschild or the Rockefeller factions.
BF: That’s right. They were afraid that they were going to lose control. That’s why they wanted to kill everybody. But, you know, the Asians and the Asian Secret Society have been fighting them for hundreds of years, and doing business with them at the same time, I might add.
For example, some of the people I talked to sold heroin to the CIA during the Vietnam war.
DW: Right.