Suggestions for Mexico as drug cartels get more brazen

[Gypsybiker45]

What to do with Mexico, Ignore it? lock down the border and hope it goes away? latest is a cartel force took two hotels in Monterrey and kidnapped the guests. Should a blind eye be turned and let Mexico destroy the dealers? Drugs mostly have been legalized for Mexico recently, the cartels are shooting for the US/Canada market now. what should be done, if anything, thoughts?

[BullionVince]

Let's hear what Jason Lewis has to say on the subject....

Link Here (http://www.ktlkfm.com/cc-common/mediaplayer/player.html?redir=yes&mps=jasonlewis.php&mid=http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/MINNEAPOLIS-MN/KTLK-FM/LEWIS042110_1st%20Hr%20AZ%20Immigration.mp3?CPROG= PCAST?CCOMRRMID&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=MINNEAPOLIS-MN&NG_FORMAT=talk&NG_ID=KTLK1003FM&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=&SERVER_NAME=www.ktlkfm.com&SITE_ID=3359&STATION_ID=KTLK-FM&TRACK=)


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[Ponce]

Mexico is gone............"Plomo oh Plata" = "Lead or Silver".

[FunnyMoney]

"...show me your papers..." is what TPTB would like you to believe as the answer.

All the while, the USA becomes worse than Mexico. That will fix the problem.

[wildcard]

My suggestion is that the people of Mexico start fighting for something similar to the 2nd Amendment.

[Saul Mine]

The system in the USA is based on Anglo-Saxon common law, but the system in Mexico is based on the Napoleonic code. Even worse, the heritage in Mexico is Spanish, with a long long tradition of arrogant posturing and violent squabbling. Asking Mexico to change would be like asking Americans to forget common law and the work ethic.

[Heavyweight]

Suggestion for Mexico:

Legalize Drugs (completely)

That's my first post and I'm proud of it.

[aybesee123]

Suggestion for Mexico:

Legalize Drugs (completely)

That's my first post and I'm proud of it.


+1

[Gypsybiker45]

Suggestion for Mexico:

Legalize Drugs (completely)

That's my first post and I'm proud of it.


+1



Ok, that i can agree with, but then what? Like Tony Montana said, "First you get the money, then you get the power" well they have the money, looks like they are after the power, If that country collapses into civil war, the US border will be overwhelmed with refugees (like during Pancho Villa's time) what should our actions be?

[Black Blade]

The following is from the US State Department:

Mexico

February 20, 2009

This Travel Alert updates security information for U.S. citizens traveling and living in Mexico. It supersedes the Travel Alert for Mexico dated October 15, 2008, and expires on August 20, 2009.

While millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico each year (including thousands who cross the land border every day for study, tourism or business), violence in the country has increased recently. It is imperative that travelers understand the risks of travel to Mexico, how best to avoid dangerous situations, and whom to contact if one becomes a crime victim. Common-sense precautions such as visiting only legitimate business and tourist areas during daylight hours, and avoiding areas where prostitution and drug dealing might occur, can help ensure that travel to Mexico is safe and enjoyable.

Crime and Violence Throughout Mexico

The greatest increase in violence has occurred near the U.S. border. However, U.S. citizens traveling throughout Mexico should exercise caution in unfamiliar areas and be aware of their surroundings at all times. Mexican and foreign bystanders have been injured or killed in violent attacks in cities across the country, demonstrating the heightened risk of violence in public places. In recent years, dozens of U.S. citizens have been kidnapped across Mexico. Many of these cases remain unresolved. U.S. citizens who believe they are being targeted for kidnapping or other crimes should notify Mexican officials and the nearest American consulate or the Embassy as soon as possible, and should consider returning to the United States.

U.S. citizens should make every attempt to travel on main roads during daylight hours, particularly the toll ("cuota") roads, which generally are more secure. Occasionally, the U.S. Embassy and consulates advise their employees as well as private U.S. citizens to avoid certain areas, abstain from driving on certain roads because of dangerous conditions or criminal activity, or recommend driving during daylight hours only. When warranted, U.S. government employees are restricted from traveling to or within parts of Mexico without prior approval from their supervisors. When this happens, the Embassy or the affected consulate will alert the local U.S. citizen Warden network and post the information on their respective websites, indicating the nature of the concern and the expected time period for which the restriction will remain in place. U.S. citizen visitors are encouraged to stay in the well-known tourist areas of the cities. Travelers should leave their itinerary with a friend or family member not traveling with them, avoid traveling alone, and should check with their cellular provider prior to departure to confirm that their cell phone is capable of roaming on GSM or 3G international networks. Do not display expensive-looking jewelry, large amounts of money, or other valuable items.

Violence Along the U.S. - Mexico Border

Mexican drug cartels are engaged in an increasingly violent conflict - both among themselves and with Mexican security services - for control of narcotics trafficking routes along the U.S.-Mexico border. In order to combat violence, the government of Mexico has deployed troops in various parts of the country. U.S. citizens should cooperate fully with official checkpoints when traveling on Mexican highways.

Some recent Mexican army and police confrontations with drug cartels have resembled small-unit combat, with cartels employing automatic weapons and grenades. Large firefights have taken place in many towns and cities across Mexico but most recently in northern Mexico, including Tijuana, Chihuahua City and Ciudad Juarez. During some of these incidents, U.S. citizens have been trapped and temporarily prevented from leaving the area. The U.S. Mission in Mexico currently restricts non-essential travel to the state of Durango and all parts of the state of Coahuila south of Mexican Highways 25 and 22 and the Alamos River for U.S. government employees assigned to Mexico. This restriction was implemented in light of the recent increase in assaults, murders, and kidnappings in those two states. The situation in northern Mexico remains fluid; the location and timing of future armed engagements cannot be predicted.

A number of areas along the border are experiencing rapid growth in the rates of many types of crime. Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico generally, with notable spikes in Tijuana and northern Baja California. Ciudad Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities which have recently experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping centers and other public venues. Criminals have followed and harassed U.S. citizens traveling in their vehicles in border areas including Nuevo Laredo, Matamoros, and Tijuana.

The situation in Ciudad Juarez is of special concern. Mexican authorities report that more than 1,800 people have been killed in the city since January 2008. Additionally, this city of 1.6 million people experienced more than 17,000 car thefts and 1,650 carjackings in 2008. U.S. citizens should pay close attention to their surroundings while traveling in Ciudad Juarez, avoid isolated locations during late night and early morning hours, and remain alert to news reports. A recent series of muggings near the U.S. Consulate General in Ciudad Juarez targeted applicants for U.S. visas. Visa and other service seekers visiting the Consulate are encouraged to make arrangements to pay for those services using a non-cash method.

U.S. citizens are urged to be alert to safety and security concerns when visiting the border region. Criminals are armed with a wide array of sophisticated weapons. In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. While most crime victims are Mexican citizens, the uncertain security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well. U.S. citizen victims of crime in Mexico are urged to contact the consular section of the nearest U.S. consulate or Embassy for advice and assistance. Contact information is provided at the end of this message.

Demonstrations and Large Public Gatherings

Demonstrations occur frequently throughout Mexico and usually are peaceful. However, even demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and escalate to violence unexpectedly. Violent demonstrations have resulted in deaths, including that of an American citizen in Oaxaca in 2006. In 2008, a Mexican Independence Day celebration was the target of a violent attack. During demonstrations or law enforcement operations, U.S. citizens are advised to remain in their homes or hotels, avoid large crowds, and avoid the downtown and surrounding areas. Since the timing and routes of scheduled marches and demonstrations are always subject to change, U.S. citizens should monitor local media sources for new developments and exercise extreme caution while within the vicinity of protests. The Mexican Constitution prohibits political activities by foreigners, and such actions may result in detention and/or deportation. U.S. citizens are therefore advised to avoid participating in demonstrations or other activities that might be deemed political by Mexican authorities. As is always the case in any large gathering, U.S. citizens should remain alert to their surroundings.
Further Information

For more detailed information on staying safe in Mexico, please see the Mexico Country Specific Information at: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_970.html. Information on security and travel to popular tourist destinations is also provided in the publication: "Spring Break in Mexico- Know Before You Go!!" at http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/spring_break_mexico/spring_break_mexico_2812.html For the latest security information, U.S. citizens traveling abroad should regularly monitor the Department's internet web site at http://travel.state.gov/ where the current Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, and Travel Alerts can be found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the United States and canada, or, for callers from Mexico, a regular toll line at 001-202-501-4444. These numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). American citizens traveling or residing overseas are encouraged to register with the appropriate U.S. Embassy or Consulate on the State Department's travel registration website at https://travelregistration.state.gov/.

For any emergencies involving U.S. citizens in Mexico, please contact the closest U.S. Embassy or Consulate. The U.S. Embassy is located in Mexico City at Paseo de la Reforma 305, Colonia Cuauhtemoc, telephone from the United States: 011-52-55-5080-2000; telephone within Mexico City: 5080-2000; telephone long distance within Mexico 01-55-5080-2000. You may also contact the Embassy by e-mail at: ccs@usembassy.net.mx. The Embassy's internet address is http://www.usembassy-mexico.gov/.

Consulates:

Ciudad Juarez: Paseo de la Victoria 3650, tel. (52)(656) 227-3000. http://ciudadjuarez.usconsulate.gov/.
Guadalajara: Progreso 175, telephone (52)(333) 268-2100. http://guadalajara.usconsulate.gov/.
Hermosillo: Avenida Monterrey 141, telephone (52)(662) 289-3500. http://hermosillo.usconsulate.gov/.
Matamoros: Avenida Primera 2002, telephone (52)(868) 812-4402. http://matamoros.usconsulate.gov/.
Merida: Calle 60 no. 338 k, telephone (52)(999) 942-5700. http://merida.usconsulate.gov/.
Monterrey: Avenida Constitucion 411 Poniente, telephone (52)(818) 047-3100. http://monterrey.usconsulate.gov/.
Nogales: Calle San Jose, Nogales, Sonora, telephone (52)(631) 311-8150. http://nogales.usconsulate.gov/.
Nuevo Laredo: Calle Allende 3330, col. Jardin, telephone (52)(867) 714-0512. http://nuevolaredo.usconsulate.gov/.
Tijuana: Tapachula 96, telephone (52)(664) 622-7400. http://tijuana.usconsulate.gov/service.html.

Consular Agencies:

Acapulco: Hotel Continental Emporio, Costera Miguel Aleman 121 - local 14, telephone (52)(744) 484-0300 or (52)(744) 469-0556.
Cabo San Lucas: Blvd. Marina local c-4, Plaza Nautica, col. Centro, telephone (52)(624) 143-3566.
Cancún: Plaza Caracol two, second level, no. 320-323, Boulevard Kukulcan, km. 8.5, Zona Hotelera, telephone (52)(998) 883-0272.
Ciudad Acuña: Ocampo # 305, col. Centro, telephone (52)(877) 772-8661
Cozumel: Plaza Villa Mar en el Centro, Plaza Principal, (Parque Juárez between Melgar and 5th ave.) 2nd floor, locales #8 and 9, telephone (52)(987) 872-4574.
Ixtapa/Zihuatanejo: Hotel Fontan, Blvd. Ixtapa, telephone (52)(755) 553-2100.
Mazatlán: Hotel Playa Mazatlán, Playa Gaviotas #202, Zona Dorada, telephone (52)(669) 916-5889.
Oaxaca: Macedonio Alcalá no. 407, interior 20, telephone (52)(951) 514-3054 (52)(951) 516-2853.
Piedras Negras: Abasolo #211, Zona Centro, Piedras Negras, Coah., Tel. (878) 782-5586.
Playa del Carmen: "The Palapa," Calle 1 Sur, between Avenida 15 and Avenida 20, telephone (52)(984) 873-0303.
Puerto Vallarta: Paradise Plaza, Paseo de los Cocoteros #1, Local #4, Interior #17, Nuevo Vallarta, Nayarit, telephone (52)(322) 222-0069.
Reynosa: Calle Monterrey #390, Esq. Sinaloa, Colonia RodrÃÂ*guez, telephone: (52)(899) 923 - 9331
San Luis PotosÃÂ*: Edificio "Las Terrazas", Avenida Venustiano Carranza 2076-41, Col. Polanco, telephone: (52)(444) 811-7802/7803.
San Miguel de Allende: Dr. Hernandez Macias #72, telephone (52)(415) 152-2357 or (52)(415) 152-0068.

[Black Blade]

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic01.jpg

Headless body wrapped and left as a message to others. The brutality of the murders is intended to send a strong message to everyone not to cooperate with police.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic02.jpg

5 severed heads left on a disco dance floor.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic03.jpg

Bodies, often showing signs of torture and abuse are sometimes found stuffed into barrels. It is the brutality of the murders that continue to shock and send the message that you don't cross drug gangs.

[EE_]

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic01.jpg

Headless body wrapped and left as a message to others. The brutality of the murders is intended to send a strong message to everyone not to cooperate with police.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic02.jpg

5 severed heads left on a disco dance floor.

http://www.glennbeck.com/images/news/2008/06/060508pic03.jpg

Bodies, often showing signs of torture and abuse are sometimes found stuffed into barrels. It is the brutality of the murders that continue to shock and send the message that you don't cross drug gangs.




Nice photos...it's no wonder the US government treats the border drug wars and common crime while treating Christian militias (that attacked no one) as terrorists.

[cedarchopper]

What Mexico could do to give their population a fighting chance against the drug cartels is legalize personal possession of guns and ammo. What America could do tomorrow to dis-empower the drug cartels is to decriminalize marijuana (65% of the cartels profits)...decriminalizing all drugs would wipe them out, but just decriminalizing pot would weaken them enormously. But none of this will happen.

What will end up happening is the drug cartels will take over Mexican government power completely, and I doubt the corrupt power behind US government will have any problem with it. I'm guessing they want it.

[Book]

5 severed heads left on a disco dance floor.


http://www.artsjournal.com/dramaqueen/american-psycho-02.jpg

Let's find out what drug they are on so we can lace our soldier's MREs with it.

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[Ash_Williams]

Don't just legalize drugs... go on the offensive and subsidize them! Get our farmers growing weed and whatever else we can in our climate and dump it on the market like chinese snow tires. Bam. Suck on that, cartels!

[DMac]

Re: Suggestions for Mexico as drug cartels get more brazen



Annex Mexico.