Mexican gov't slams Arizona immigration law

[goldmonkey]

Mexican government: Arizona immigration law could affect relations with state

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- The Mexican government criticized Wednesday a tough immigration law approved this week by Arizona legislators, saying it could result in rights violations and racial profiling and affect cross-border relations.

Mexico's Foreign Relations Department said in a statement relayed through Mexico's U.S. embassy that it viewed the measure with great concern and said it "could have potentially serious effects on the civil rights" of Mexican nationals.

"Mexico views with concern the possible negative effects the measure could have, if approved, on the development of the ties of friendship, culture, commerce and tourism that have characterized Mexico's relations with Arizona for generations," according to the statement.

The law has been approved by the Arizona legislators and is awaiting consideration by Gov. Jan Brewer. The measures makes it a state crime for migrants to be in Arizona without documents.

Mexico also said the bill "opens the door to the inappropriate use of racial profiling."

An estimated 11.8 million Mexicans live in the United States. A large percentage are undocumented, and Arizona has been one of the main routes for undocumented migration into the United States.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mexican-govt-slams-Arizona-apf-3656534841.html?x=0&.v=1

[wildcard]

An estimated 11.8 million Mexicans live in the United States.


Haha, there's probably more than that in AZ and Cali alone.

[Apparition]

Oh no!

Some silly gringos are going to act harshly towards trespassers? The horror, the horror!!!

How about imposing a labor boycott, Mexico? ;)

[Black Blade]

If president Felipe Calderon won't keep his illegals from crossing the border then he has no right to complain about our laws. Perhaps he would rather we place a few of these along the border:

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/1223622b15e7dcdccd37d46cb767d3c1116e7a29_r.jpg

[wildcard]

Much like they do at their southern border. And how many indians and natives have THEY killed.

[Ponce]

If all those Meicans weren't here they would be over there having a revolution.

[chad]

If all those Meicans weren't here they would be over there having a revolution.


spot on. think what a great place the u.s. would be if we could just take everyone on public assistance and send them to canada. and then they could send back money to the u.s. every month.

[JDRock]

I like the way this thread is going.....

this is imo, the 2nd most important subject today. illegal and non white "legal "immigration.

[SHTF2010]

not sure if this is true of not,
but some Americans should look at some of these and think about them

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How About These For New U.S. Immigration Laws?

* THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL BILINGUAL PROGRAMS IN THE SCHOOLS.
* THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL BALLOTS FOR ELECTIONS.
* ALL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS WILL BE CONDUCTED IN OUR LANGUAGE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE NO MATTER HOW LONG THEY ARE HERE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HOLD POLITICAL OFFICE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NOT BE A BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS.
* NO WELFARE, NO FOOD STAMPS, NO HEALTH CARE OR OTHER GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.
* FOREIGNERS CAN INVEST IN THIS COUNTRY BUT IT MUST BE AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO 40,000 TIMES THE DAILY MINIMUM WAGE.
* IF FOREIGNERS DO COME AND WANT TO BUY LAND, THAT WILL BE OKAY. BUT OPTIONS WILL BE RESTRICTED...
* YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED WATERFRONT PROPERTY. THAT IS RESERVED FOR CITIZENS NATURALLY BORN INTO THIS COUNTRY.
* FOREIGNERS MAY NOT PROTEST; NO DEMONSTRATIONS; NO WAVING A FOREIGN FLAG; NO POLITICAL ORGANIZING; NO BAD-MOUTHING OUR PRESIDENT OR HIS POLICIES. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL BE SENT HOME.
* IF YOU DO COME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND SENT STRAIGHT TO JAIL.

TOO HARSH, YOU SAY?

The above laws happen to be the Immigration Laws of...

MEXICO!

[K_Flynn]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in. The US had unrestricted immigration for many decades directly before some of the golden years of growth.

Of course I'm pissed about illegals using free services. But I'm also pissed about Americans using free services. To me there is ZERO difference between the two. The welfare state is the problem, not immigration, and it is what should be attacked, not people looking trying to find a better life. If someone doesn't like Mexicans, fine, I don't really care to be honest. Expanding the police state apparatus, however, is not an acceptable solution.

[JDRock]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in.

Bullshit. What do you think jails and prisons are for?? To keep the maggots out of the punchbowl. Laws and borders were meant just for that reason ( consult locke and mason on that one) .

[nunaem]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in. The US had unrestricted immigration for many decades directly before some of the golden years of growth.

Of course I'm pissed about illegals using free services. But I'm also pissed about Americans using free services. To me there is ZERO difference between the two. The welfare state is the problem, not immigration, and it is what should be attacked, not people looking trying to find a better life. If someone doesn't like Mexicans, fine, I don't really care to be honest. Expanding the police state apparatus, however, is not an acceptable solution.


Well said. Anyone who says foreigners are not entitled to the same rights as Americans is tacitly admitting that their rights are granted by the state.

"All men are created equal." NOT all americans are created equal.

[JDRock]

[quote=K_Flynn ]
. . , not people looking trying to find a better life.

Looking for a better LIFE?? RU KIDDING ME?? :ROFL:

Tell us that after they've raped your daughter and are running down the street with your color tv, laughing as they go.... :ROFL:...
better life my @ss.

[K_Flynn]

. . , not people looking trying to find a better life.

Looking for a better LIFE?? RU KIDDING ME?? :ROFL:

Tell us that after they've raped your daughter and are running down the street with your color tv, laughing as they go.... :ROFL:...
better life my @ss.



I'm not sure where you live, but I have lived on the border for around 30 years. I've met many, many mexicans and while I don't associate with them and dislike their culture in many ways, I am 100% positive that every single one of them came to the states to improve their life, just like europeans did in the 1700s. I wouldn't want to live in mexico, would you?

You can't blame people for taking free services that are offered to them. You can, however, blame the state that steals from some people to offer those free services.

As far as criminals go, they should be dealt with just as any other criminals. The violent and unsuccessful drug war has more to do with undesirable elements coming here than anything else.

Like I said before, end the welfare state, and let people be free without having to deal with a police state as they go about their business and look for employment. It's funny, people like you take issue with the "papers please" mentality until it comes to illegals. Then you're all for an all powerful god-state that can search you/deport you/abuse you/confiscate property, etc., to no end, just as long as they get the illegals out. (and they can't, regardless of these violations)

[goldmonkey]

And that prevents cultures from clashing?

[nunaem]

And that prevents cultures from clashing?

Whose culture should the state defend? What if the state decides that your culture is clashing with its preferred culture?

[goldmonkey]

And that prevents cultures from clashing?

Whose culture should the state defend? What if the state decides that your culture is clashing with its preferred culture?


This is precisely why multiculturalism is an oxymoron. You cannot have many cultures. One culture will seek to dominate. People should live with and be governed by their own kind who defend their interests. Otherwise, you get an ever increasing third world shit hole like the USA where people "hunker down" as described by Robert Putnam.

Bowling With Our Own
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-06-25jl.html

In Praise of Homogeneity
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2008/01/in_praise_of_ho.php

[Hermie]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in. The US had unrestricted immigration for many decades directly before some of the golden years of growth.
[/b]


Do you have a door on your house?

Also, immigration into the US was of similar people racially until the laws were changed, much to the detriment of the nation.

[Book]

http://arabnews.com/lifestyle/sidelights/article28777.ece/REPRESENTATIONS/large_620x350/lif_richestman.jpg

NEW YORK: Mexican tycoon Carlos Slim is the world's richest person, knocking Microsoft founder Bill Gates into second spot, as the wealth of the world's billionaires grew by 50 percent over the last year, Forbes magazine said on Wednesday.

[K_Flynn]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in. The US had unrestricted immigration for many decades directly before some of the golden years of growth.
[/b]


Do you have a door on your house?

Also, immigration into the US was of similar people racially until the laws were changed, much to the detriment of the nation.


Yes, because it contains my property that I do not wish to share. There is nobody that owns the united states. Individual people own private property, but public lands are owned by nobody.

Not to mention the other flaw with that "house door" argument-- Police state lovers locking the borders up tight against others' wishes is like having your wife permanently bar all doors to your house without your consent.

Yes, scandinavians sure have a lot in common with italians, and with russians, poles, jews, etc.... ::) If skin color is your criteria, then the mexicans should be let in because their skin is the same color as the american indians'.

[mick silver]

well then stay off my land ...........................

[Book]

There is nobody that owns the united states. Individual people own private property, but public lands are owned by nobody.


http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/foxindogs.jpg

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1146409.html

Sounds exactly like that Ulysses guy that was banned at GIM a year ago...lol.

[wildcard]

Damn, if you called that in 11 posts I'm going to be pissed. That's gotta be some kinda record. ;D

[Celtic Rogue]

Honestly... if the mexican Govt dislikes the bill... it must be a good one! and to the poster that said the US had unrestricted immigration at some time before??? Can you illuminate that with some references? The US has ALWAYS had restrictions on immigration as far as I can find.

[K_Flynn]

Sounds exactly like that Ulysses guy that was banned at GIM a year ago...lol.



BZZZT. Better luck next time.

[K_Flynn]

Honestly... if the mexican Govt dislikes the bill... it must be a good one! and to the poster that said the US had unrestricted immigration at some time before??? Can you illuminate that with some references? The US has ALWAYS had restrictions on immigration as far as I can find.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_natural ization_in_the_United_States

I certainly have no love for mexico or its government. whether or not they like something is completely irrelevant to me.

[Book]

I certainly have no love for mexico or its government. whether or not they like something is completely irrelevant to me.


http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/books-immigration.html

:oo-->

[Celtic Rogue]

Honestly... if the mexican Govt dislikes the bill... it must be a good one! and to the poster that said the US had unrestricted immigration at some time before??? Can you illuminate that with some references? The US has ALWAYS had restrictions on immigration as far as I can find.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_natural ization_in_the_United_States

I certainly have no love for mexico or its government. whether or not they like something is completely irrelevant to me.


Wikipedia does not say anywhere I read about unrestricted immigration???

The first naturalization law in the United States was the Naturalization Act of 1790, which restricted naturalization to "free white persons" of "good moral character" who had resided in the country for two years

There were also significant restrictions on some Asians at the state level; in California, for example, non-citizen Asians were not allowed to own land.

[JDRock]

And that prevents cultures from clashing?

Whose culture should the state defend? What if the state decides that your culture is clashing with its preferred culture?


DUH... obviously the only culture that CREATED the state! :oo-->

[JDRock]

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Like I said before, end the welfare state, [/quote]

EXACTLTY! the welfare state was CREATED by an immigrant minority here jews.

[wildcard]

No, no really the founders set up this nation to be built by whitey then taken over by brown races. It's all right there in black and white. ;D

Or maybe they expected America to be White/Christian/European. You know like when we were the best nation on earth, before the jews took position in the media, the courts, the congress to corrupt us.

[JDRock]

^^^^ what wildcard said!

[Grand Master Melon]

I don't agree with laws like this...

A free country does not keep people walled out or walled in. The US had unrestricted immigration for many decades directly before some of the golden years of growth.

Of course I'm pissed about illegals using free services. But I'm also pissed about Americans using free services. To me there is ZERO difference between the two. The welfare state is the problem, not immigration, and it is what should be attacked, not people looking trying to find a better life. If someone doesn't like Mexicans, fine, I don't really care to be honest. Expanding the police state apparatus, however, is not an acceptable solution.


Is not a country at the very least defined by its borders?

Can there be a free country without borders?

If the borders are open and unwatched then aren't the borders essentially non-existant?

And without borders is not there a country anymore?

[mick silver]

the mexican gov so f... up they just dont want to deal with there own people ... plus the people may just want to take back what theres ... hell they cant get the drug dealers ... what a war they would have on there hands

[wildcard]

Plus the money rolls into their coffers eventually from all the money being wired to mexico from America. It's win/win for them.

[Grand Master Melon]

Plus the money rolls into their coffers eventually from all the money being wired to mexico from America. It's win/win for them.


Indeed!

Their largest export is that of illegal workers and they make boatloads of money on the backs of those workers. It is easier for them to sit back and collect money at our expense than to put any work into cleaning up their country. Sad.