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MarketNeutral
23rd April 2010, 07:51 AM
Chicago native Ben loves his country and is proud to be an American. Yet the longtime resident of Melbourne has just relinquished his U.S. citizenship. "This is not something I did lightly or happily, but I saw no other choice," says Ben, a businessman who became an Australian citizen two years ago.

His words resonate with another American expatriate, John, a business owner based near Lausanne, Switzerland, who like Ben asked that his last name be withheld for fear of alienating his family in the U.S. "Giving up my U.S. citizenship is a genuine option," says the Ohio native, who recently received his Swiss passport and is considering relinquishing his American one. "I am at a breaking point — being American costs me time [and] money, but mostly aggravation." (See 50 authentic American experiences.)

For U.S. citizens, cutting ties with their native land is a drastic and irrevocable step. But as Overseas American Week, a lobbying effort by expatriate-advocacy groups, convenes in Washington this week, it's one that an increasing number of American expats are willing to take. According to government records, 502 expatriates renounced U.S. citizenship or permanent residency in the fourth quarter of 2009 — more than double the number of expatriations in all of 2008. And these figures don't include the hundreds — some experts say thousands — of applications languishing in various U.S. consulates and embassies around the world, waiting to be processed. While a small number of Americans hand in their passports each year for political reasons, the new surge in permanent expatriations is mainly because of taxes.

Considering that an estimated 3 million to 6 million Americans reside abroad, the number of renouncements is small. But expatriate organizations say the recent increase reflects a growing dissatisfaction with the way the U.S. government treats its expats and their money: the U.S. is the only industrialized nation that taxes its overseas citizens, subjecting them to taxation in both their country of citizenship and country of residence. (See "U.S. vs. UBS: A Fight Over Secret Swiss Bank Accounts.")

"Their income and wealth are generated largely outside the U.S., so why does the U.S. get a slice of that?" says Phil Hodgen, a California-based international tax attorney who helps Americans in the expatriation process. "More and more people see no long-term benefit to retaining U.S. citizenship."

Additionally, the U.S. government has implemented tougher rules requiring expatriates to report any foreign bank accounts exceeding $10,000, with stiff financial penalties for noncompliance. "This system is widely perceived as overly complex with multiple opportunities for accidental mistakes, and life-altering penalties for inadvertent failures," Hodgen says.

These stringent measures were put into place to prevent Americans from stashing undeclared assets in offshore banks, but they also make life increasingly difficult for millions of law-abiding expatriates. "The U.S. government creates conflict and abuses me," says business owner John. "I feel under duress to understand and comply with laws that have nothing to do with me and are constantly changing — almost never in my favor." (See the best business deals of 2009.)

John says that since he moved to Europe 25 years ago, U.S. tax regulations have become more and more burdensome. "Every time I turn around, I get smacked in the face with some new restriction as a result of being a U.S. citizen abroad," he says. And because the U.S. government requires other countries to abide by its banking and financial rules when dealing with expatriates, Americans living abroad are often denied services because of the increasingly complex legalities and logistics involved in serving U.S. customers. Many U.S. expats report being turned away by banks and other institutions in their countries of residence only because they are American, according to American Citizens Abroad (ACA), a Geneva-based worldwide advocacy group for expatriate U.S. citizens.

"We have become toxic citizens," says ACA founder Andy Sundberg. Paradoxically, by relinquishing their U.S. citizenship, expats can not only escape the financial burden of double taxation, but also strengthen the U.S. economy, he says, adding, "It will become much easier for these people to get a job abroad, and to set up, own and operate private companies that can promote American exports." (See "British Citizenship: Points Off for Protest?")

Relinquishing U.S. citizenship is a fairly simple process: after filling in a few forms, and in some cases, paying an exit tax (based on the applicant's worldwide income and assets), the former citizen receives his canceled passport in the mail. But the decision can be difficult. "Cutting my ties with America hasn't been easy," says Ben, who as a foreigner can now spend only 90 days a year in the U.S. "My family and friends think I am a traitor. But the financial burden was killing me."

\http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1983238,00.html?hpt=C2#ixzz0lhE13vCv

rurounikitsune
23rd April 2010, 08:01 AM
Wait, does this mean they can come back as illegal immigrants, work under the table for cash, smuggle drugs and money back and forth, rape, kidnap, and murder with impunity?

What a joke.

I bet if I renounced my citizenship, and came back to the U.S., I'd be snatched up on Day 91 at 12:01 AM and deported.

k-os
23rd April 2010, 08:07 AM
And all of these people who are relinquishing their citizenship have money. Lots of money. It's Atlas Shrugged playing out.

I have a feeling this year and next year are going to be very bad for the IRS. Not only are there less people earning income to tax, but I am willing to bet there are a lot of people who will not pay taxes, or at least get an extension or multiple extensions.

Osaka
23rd April 2010, 08:11 AM
This is a topic close to my heart, being an Expat American citizen for many years.

Double taxation - this applies if you make a sh*t load of money, like over $100,000 per year. The first $70,000 (or so, it changes every year) of foreign earned income is tax exempt. Secondly, some, if not many, countries have a way to allow you to deduct foreign taxes, so you don't get double taxed. Very high income people probably have reason to complain, but people like me- no.

"or U.S. citizens, cutting ties with their native land is a drastic and irrevocable step" - not particularly accurate. I am pretty sure that if you were born in the US, you have relatively good reason to apply for, and be granted US citizenship even after renouncing it.

And did I mention that plenty of 50 year old Asian women have bodies that many 25 year old American women would aspire to have?

jedemdasseine
23rd April 2010, 08:15 AM
Same here.

Working in Bangkok, under the radar.

Met a guy at the US embassy who was relinquishing his US citizenship.

"Why?" I asked him.

"They can kiss my ass!"

Good enough for me.

Rich guy, too.

MarketNeutral
23rd April 2010, 08:21 AM
U.S. is one of the few countries that tax worldwide income.

Lucky us.

Hatha Sunahara
23rd April 2010, 10:04 AM
There has been a cabal of idiots, lunatics, and crooks in the US government to drive out the decent, smarter folks out of government service. This is just anther example of how the government is getting stupider, crazier, and more corrupt. The pace seems to be accelerating.

Hatha

BillBoard
23rd April 2010, 11:40 AM
I was reading the article and for some odd reason my gut is telling me there is something very wrong with this, yet I cannot articulate it.

But let me ask these questions:

If you are a State national (Florida, North Carolina) in another country, yet not a US Citizen, can you still hold a united States of America passport?

Can you give up Citizenship and still keep your nationality?

I know there may be a rush to escape from the US (national Govt.) but the USA (the union of 50 states) is still there right?

Some heavy homework may be needy to find out the truth about this, since I think this article may have been put out to make people feel those seeking an out from the heavy hand of the US may be radicals or lunatics.

Ponce
23rd April 2010, 11:49 AM
I was able to get everything out and in place about five years ago, when the curtain goes up I wont be around.

By Osaka.......you have relatively good reason to apply for, and be granted US citizenship even after renouncing it.

Lee Oswald did it in Russia and then regained his passport once again but with Marina, his wife.

jedemdasseine
23rd April 2010, 10:42 PM
I was reading the article and for some odd reason my gut is telling me there is something very wrong with this, yet I cannot articulate it.

But let me ask these questions:

If you are a State national (Florida, North Carolina) in another country, yet not a US Citizen, can you still hold a united States of America passport?

Can you give up Citizenship and still keep your nationality?

I know there may be a rush to escape from the US (national Govt.) but the USA (the union of 50 states) is still there right?

Some heavy homework may be needy to find out the truth about this, since I think this article may have been put out to make people feel those seeking an out from the heavy hand of the US may be radicals or lunatics.




This is a gray area I wish I knew more about. But I think you may be on to something.

Bigjon
24th April 2010, 12:14 AM
This means you reject the use of Social [in]Security and renounce your 14th amendment US citizenship to become a national of the state you choose and become for instance a Minnesotan, or an Iowan…

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Freedom.htm#INTRODUCTION:

This is as good a place to start as any.

Here is another option, I emailed this guy and he says that 75% of what he does is available on his website for free. http://state-citizen.org/

MarketNeutral
24th April 2010, 12:20 AM
U.S. citizens either by birth or naturalization may lose their citizenship or nationality if they commit one of the following acts:

Obtaining naturalization in a foreign state by own application; or,

Making a formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign sovereignty; or

Serving in foreign armed forces except with written approval of the U.S. Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense; or

Accepting official employment under a foreign government, if acquisition of the foreign nationality or declaration of allegiance is necessary for such employment;

Making a formal renunciation of nationality before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer abroad; or

Making a formal renunciation of nationality within the U.S. when the U.S. is in a state of war; or

Being convicted of treason or bearing arms against the U.S. or similar acts.
https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0200303200

Osaka
24th April 2010, 12:30 AM
There's a former US citizen who became Japanese.
From his blog
""You shouldn't do this, Dave."

This was being said by a friend of mine in the US State Department.

"You shouldn't give up your American passport. America is the greatest country in the world. Full of opportunities you'll never have here in Japan. You were lucky enough to be born with an American passport. Enough people in other countries are ready to die for one."

I told him about the loophole I found, where I could keep both passports.

"Dave, that's risky. And that loophole vanishes if you want to get involved in Japanese politics. By American law, election to public office in a foreign government is suitable grounds for the US government to revoke your citizenship. Be advised that there will be no turning back at that point."

I nodded.

"Naturalization not a fashion statement, Dave. You don't need to do it. Don't do it.""

Good reading his entire naturalization blog, if you are interested and have time.
http://www.debito.org/naturalization1.html

optionT
24th April 2010, 12:37 AM
What about dual citizenship? Is that better than nothing?

MarketNeutral
24th April 2010, 12:52 AM
What about dual citizenship? Is that better than nothing?


Double taxation. U.S. taxes worldwide income then the other country will want their cut also.

Horn
24th April 2010, 01:25 AM
They should consider themselves lucky they were let out of the U.S.

Soon that probably won't be an option unless your uber rich.

Neuro
24th April 2010, 02:32 AM
Or a member of the Bin Laden family...

Gypsybiker45
24th April 2010, 05:07 AM
This means you reject the use of Social [in]Security and renounce your 14th amendment US citizenship to become a national of the state you choose and become for instance a Minnesotan, or an Iowan…

http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Freedom/Freedom.htm#INTRODUCTION:

This is as good a place to start as any.

Here is another option, I emailed this guy and he says that 75% of what he does is available on his website for free. http://state-citizen.org/




and what exactly does this accomplish? as far as travel is concerned, there are NO state passports, Bermuda ,Australia, Thailand, are their border inspectors going to accept your homemade Iowa passport? not likely, Im for rights and liberty, but understand, you are a citizen of the United States. If their were no United States, every one of those ex-colonies would have been gobbled up by a European power long ago. respectfully,even though tax rates today are incredibly high, I think many of you here are so cheap as far as any tax goes , the lengths you try and avoid them are mind boggling.And you sit there and wish yourselves living in some country where your US Dollars fund your hopefully high lifestyle,all on the backs of citizens of those countries who make very little,IMHO thats just parasitic. Any jurisdiction needs tax revenue to function, be it Federal, State, or township. Its the wastfullness and the amounts that are the problem.

Ponce
24th April 2010, 09:05 AM
Mr. Neutral, about.........."Serving in foreign armed forces"= only if they are fighting the US.

Otherwise I would be the lonly man on the ship with no country of his own....