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MarketNeutral
23rd April 2010, 10:43 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/03/amish_muslims_to_be_excused_fr.html

The Senate health care bill contains some exemptions to the "pay-or-play" mandate requiring purchase of Obamacare-approved health insurance or payment of a penalty fine. As Fox News has pointed out, for instance, the Amish are excused from the mandate:


So while most Americans would be required to sign up with insurance companies or government insurance plans, the church would serve as something of an informal insurance plan for the Amish.

Law experts say that kind of exemption withstands scrutiny.

"Here the statute is going to say that people who are conscientiously opposed to paying for health insurance don't have to do it where the conscientious objection arises from religion," said Mark Tushnet a Harvard law professor. "And that's perfectly constitutional."


Apparently, this exemption will apply similarly to believers in Islam, which considers health insurance - and, for that matter, any form of risk insurance - to be haraam (forbidden).

Steve Gilbert of Sweetness & Light calls our attention to the probability that Muslims will also be expempt. According to a March 23 publication on an authoritative Islamic Web site managed by Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, various fatwas (religious decrees) absolutely forbid Muslim participation in any sort of health care or other risk insurance:


Health insurance is haraam like other types of commercial insurance, because it is based on ambiguity, gambling and riba (usury). This is what is stated in fatwas by the senior scholars.

In Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/277) there is a quotation of a statement of the Council of Senior Scholars concerning the prohibition on insurance and why it is haraam:

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah (15/251):


Firstly: Commercial insurance of all types is haraam because it involves ambiguity, riba, uncertainty, gambling and consuming people's wealth unlawfully, and other shar'i

Secondly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to get involved with insurance companies by working in administration or otherwise, because working in them comes under the heading of cooperating in sin and transgression, and Allaah forbids that as He says: "but do not help one another in sin and transgression. And fear Allaah. Verily, Allaah is Severe in punishment"

[al-Maa'idah 5:2]. End quote.

reservations.
And Allaah knows best.


So, it turns out that observant Muslims are not only strictly forbidden from buying any health insurance under the ObamaCare mandate, but may also not even work for any company that provides such insurance or any other form of commercial insurance.

It is not made clear whether or not it is religiously okay to accept "free" non-insured medical care such as that offered in hospital ERs and to some who are covered by Medicaid.

Whether it's all right to serve as a doctor, nurse, or orderly caring for patients whose medical services are being paid for by insurance is not covered in the present response - but one could probably obtain a religious ruling from the Sheikh, whose site welcomes the submission of questions about Islamic law and practices.

Ponce
23rd April 2010, 10:48 PM
Ponce <--------- meet Mr. Muslamish

illumin19
23rd April 2010, 11:13 PM
Ponce <--------- meet Mr. Muslamish



Wonder what your shahadah sounds like? ;)

MarketNeutral
23rd April 2010, 11:16 PM
How hard is it to become Amish?

Don't pay taxes, not forced to buy health care, live off the land....

Hmmm.

Apparition
23rd April 2010, 11:22 PM
OK, now I just have to pretend that I'm a Muslim and tell the IRS to f-ck off if they ever inform of my non-payment of the health insurance mandate?

Sounds good to me.

MarketNeutral
23rd April 2010, 11:24 PM
OK, now I just have to pretend that I'm a Muslim and tell the IRS to f-ck off if they ever inform of my non-payment of the health insurance mandate?

Sounds good to me.


What if they ask you which way is Mecca? :D

Olmstein
23rd April 2010, 11:27 PM
So, are muslims exempt from all insurance mandates? Do muslims have to buy car insurance?

Horn
23rd April 2010, 11:29 PM
Muslims don't drive, they operate taxis.

Olmstein
23rd April 2010, 11:36 PM
Muslims don't drive, they operate taxis.


I know you meant that as a joke,and it was marginally funny, :) , but taxis are required to maintain rather high commercial insurance policies. I wonder how the muslim cabbie justifies buying this insurance, which is clearly prohibited by his religion.

undgrd
24th April 2010, 03:09 AM
Muslims don't drive, they operate taxis.


I know you meant that as a joke,and it was marginally funny, :) , but taxis are required to maintain rather high commercial insurance policies. I wonder how the muslim cabbie justifies buying this insurance, which is clearly prohibited by his religion.



If they're employed by a company then the auto insurance is probably in the companies name. If they have their own insurance they might not be an "observant " Muslim spoken about in the OP.

Dirty Harry
24th April 2010, 05:15 AM
So, are muslims exempt from all insurance mandates? Do muslims have to buy car insurance?


I was thinking something similar. How many devout Mooslims are paying for homeowners insurance? How many mosques are covered with insurance?

Ash_Williams
24th April 2010, 05:58 AM
It's not about logic it's about special exemptions for a group.

I have no doubt a muslim could claim $5000 stock loses and the tax on his mortgage payment on his return, against his income from working from an insurance company, and he'd still be exempt from the mandatory health insurance.

gunDriller
24th April 2010, 06:36 AM
Christian Scientists also have an inherent objection against Obamacare. One of the articles about the Individual Mandate Law described Christian Science as creating a legitimate exception.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

Can you imagine having to provide proof of your religiosity to the IRS ?

nunaem
24th April 2010, 07:37 AM
I think we can all learn something from these superstitious zealots. They would rather face penalties and possibly even death than violate their own moral code and go to their imaginary hells. The state recognizes this and instead of hassling them without avail, exempts them from their intrusions that violate their moral codes.

Imagine if all liberty lovers had the same zealotry to their moral codes that the islamists do, that they all would rather die than give in to injustice. Even if they were as few as the amish, the state might just ignore them and focus their tyranny on those with slave mentalities.

Ponce
24th April 2010, 07:42 AM
How hard is it to become Amish?

Don't pay taxes, not forced to buy health care, live off the land....

Hmmm.


No need to worry, in the Fema camps all that will be possible.

StackerKen
24th April 2010, 08:05 AM
You don't have to be Muslim or Amish

Look here

http://medi-share.org/InnerPageRequestInfo.aspx?id=1058

As a member of Medi-Share you will be exempt from the “individual mandate” that will require all other Americans to purchase insurance by 2014 or face financial penalties.