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FunnyMoney
23rd April 2010, 10:43 PM
My opinion is that when really large centralized authoratarian powers cease to exist, war will cease to exist.

When centralized taxes cease to exist, poverty will decline and wealth and productivity will increase.

When the rule of law is about God given rights, human rights and less about people making up their own rules and trying to enforce them, there will be less crime.




I don't know anything about this person, but I found the words to be very similar to my beliefs on the issue. I agree with local, local, local concept...



POST by John Darin Gerke:

Local, local, local



A few months ago I began thinking about Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. Gandhi was searching for truth and helped build a nation. King had a dream of bringing us all together without discrimination. Both were men of peace. They also thought that localism was the key to their dilemmas. It was only once their separate movements began to gain lives of their own that the movements went national.

There have been other famous nation builders that have had dreams and quests. These men we do not celebrate with the same type of thoughts. Hitler, Stalin, and Mao each had a movement that went from being localized to national. The difference these nation builders believed in was that they were willing to force their will upon others through the law or at gunpoint. The only defense they believed in was their own.

I look at our government today and begin to wonder. What kind of men are these? Our legislative, judicial, and executive branch have become unresponsive to the individual cries and shouts of leave me alone. They just keep telling us through words and actions that they know what is best for us.

What makes these people think they know what is best for some hick from rural Missouri? I left my mother and father years ago. I have fed and clothed myself just fine up until now without the government telling me how to live my life. The day I left home I realized that I was on my own and "I" alone was responsible for my actions and well being. If I dealt with people in an unfair manner, my well being would suffer. Only hard well thought out work rather it was menial labor or mind work paid off.

These folks that are smiling and telling me how great things are and will only get better if I accept their rules and handouts are crooks at best and liars at worst. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Science tells us this through the law of "Conservation of Energy" and life tells us this. It is self-evident that every time we take money from these so-called leaders that we are only indenturing our selves that much more. I will not be a slave to another's whims.

As Missourians, we have the over used motto "Show-Me". I think I do not want these folks to "Show- Me" anymore of what they have to offer. These devils need to go away and let us folks govern ourselves. We know what is best for our community and it is not hand outs and regulation that we need.

We need to be left to our own devices. We can, will, and have worked out our problems locally. It is fairly simple, but not easy. Hard thought, hard work, and the promise to do no harm to others except in self defense are the only rules we need. Leave us our property and self-esteem and we will flourish. Gandhi taught a people to weave and King taught a people to believe. Can we weave a local community of believers in the individual?

Cooper County Resident
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/profile.php?member=JDGerke

Celtic Rogue
24th April 2010, 06:57 AM
I have always thought too that if the national governments went away so would most if all the wars.

I have never thought... I need to go over to xyz country and "F" them up for what ever reason. Sure there would be disputes but this warfare on a global scale is not good for the people of any country.

Let me have my home and raise my children as I see fit... don't get me involved in foreign entanglements.

I would give his ideas a chance... as what we have now is self defeating at best.

FunnyMoney
24th April 2010, 01:08 PM
I have always thought too that if the national governments went away so would most if all the wars. ...


I agree with your post, and in addition, I think nearly ALL problems simply either go away or find easy solutions if the national governments went away.

Gaillo
24th April 2010, 01:20 PM
I'm in the "loose confederation of sovereign states" camp on this one... I think strong centralized federal power has only led to abuse and tyrannical usurpation of individual rights and freedoms. I envision a constitutional republic form of government, with MANY more checks and balances implemented, to keep most of the governmental power at a local level. One more thing... I think an amendment similar to the ORIGINAL 13th amendment (denying .gov workers titles from foreign powers, etc.), a prohibition on "welfare state" related BS, and a separation of business and state would all be required for a functional system to survive and prosper.

FunnyMoney
25th April 2010, 10:03 AM
Only 10 votes so far. A similar poll at GIM1 produced 44 votes.

Ponce
25th April 2010, 10:09 AM
Nothing will happen till the people becomes the government once again.

FunnyMoney
27th April 2010, 10:47 PM
Only 10 votes so far. A similar poll at GIM1 produced 44 votes.




11 votes, wow.

So this is the freedom movement.

They claim it takes only 5% of a population to create a revolution. Should it be good news that we only have 4.999999% left to convince?





:boom

Horn
27th April 2010, 11:13 PM
There has to be 0 first before there is one.

FunnyMoney
28th April 2010, 07:42 PM
There has to be 0 first before there is one.


14 members taking a stand, 6 billion sheep waiting for orders.

In light of that situation, I'm not sure how 0 or 1 or even 14 amounts to much..

wildcard
29th April 2010, 02:43 AM
It doesn't. It comes down to YOYO (you're on your own).

Celtic Rogue
29th April 2010, 05:45 AM
There has to be 0 first before there is one.


14 members taking a stand, 6 billion sheep waiting for orders.

In light of that situation, I'm not sure how 0 or 1 or even 14 amounts to much..


Here is the way I see it... any number of people more than one is a beginning.

And I guess a good thing to remember is that every group starts out with just two people. Then three and so on.

The idea of our Independence I am sure started as a conversation in a pub or tavern between some people. The taverns of the day were like the forums we have now. Both ways to disseminate information.

Brent
29th April 2010, 10:08 AM
My opinion is that when really large centralized authoratarian powers cease to exist, war will cease to exist.

Wow.

"War" is as natural as rain and will never cease to exist. The Black Bears are at "war" with the Brown for territory and resources, as are countless other species.

I didn't bother reading the rest after that first ridiculous statement.

FunnyMoney
29th April 2010, 10:43 PM
I didn't bother reading the rest after that first ridiculous statement.


You can close your mind, just like the other 6 billion.
I did not say fights end, I was talking about war, big time, big money wars. They require money, fake fiat money to wage an agenda that has so few real supporters. Try to fund a war by collecting gold as the tax, find out how many supporters of war you get then.