Poland media unveils assassination of its whole government

[Vendico]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT9agIP12AM

[Horn]

Hmmm, Russian military seen moving runway lamps after the crash?

That is messed up that the German chancellor couldn't even hoof it over to the procession.

And I see Ms. Burgermeister is doing alternate media once again, under a different topic this time...

[PatColo]

And I see Ms. Burgermeister is doing alternate media once again, under a different topic this time...


Yeah her site theflucase.com disappeared a couple weeks ago, claimed they were "attacked", still a "will soon be back" message there,

then her former blog: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com came back from the dead, browse the past several pages though, it's become a hub of info for the Polish coup, almost no flu scam news.

[optionT]

There's a lot of good info about the Polish plane crash!

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/

[Horn]

Tusk’s government has signalled Poland might now join the eurozone soon.

In addition, Tusk said last week that he will now sign a deal blocked by Lech Kaczynski to allow Gazprom to supply Poland with 100% of the gas it needs for the next 33 years in spite of the fact that huge natural gas reserves were discovered in Poland in April.

Crazy stuff there, Pat.

If true, this is all becoming far too obvious these days. Evil's prevalent everywhere.

O.K. gotta go watch latenight reruns of Costa Rican star search now, Ciao. :-\

[PatColo]

Burgermeister said something in the latter half of that OP video about Poland having been the only european country to reject the swine flu bioweapon jab last year.

Terrain warning device was switched off on Polish crash plane, reports Interfax (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/terrain-warning-device-was-switched-off-on-polish-crash-plane-reports-interfax/)

The new revelations will fuel concerns that the Polish elite were murdered for the profit of the Globalists eager to seize control of gas deposits, monetary policy and also weaken Poland’s health minister who refused the pandemic vaccine.

So yeah the depth of NWO corruption is getting pretty blatant. Western ziomedia has been quite matter of fact about the Polish plane crash, ... next story ...
Maybe "Russia Today" will give Burgermeister an interview?

Incidentally, this next hour on Rense radio is
Dr. Tim O'Shea
Vaccine Genocide (http://thedoctorwithin.com/)

begins in about 10 mins, 11PM PT/ 2AM ET (after the news)

stream:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/livefeeds/16k.asx

[BoatingAccident]

This whole thing is very sad to me.

I've visited Poland, several times, the people the culture, embraced me like a warm blanket.

The Polish, are proud people. They've been kicked in the nuts many times throughout history...

For 150 years, they didn't even have a country, but kept the culture, the people together.

Caught between Germany, and Russia, Poland has been called the 'perfect battleground' with it's flat terrain.

The Polish were so proud, they charged tanks on horseback. How many cultures can claim that? For the love of country...and they took out tanks that way too! That's left out of the history books.

This, is just another kick in the nads to them. God bless the Polish. They have the strength for this, I know it.

[Occamsrazor]

Charging tanks on horseback is hopefully (for them) is not true because that would be the height of stupidity and great material for Polish jokes.

Now, if the Russian govt truly wanted to destroy Poland, all it had to do is come out with THE TRUTH about Katyn being a nazi job as it was proven beyond any doubt in 1944 by an international commission led by the daughter of US ambassador to USSR at the time Harriman and which included journalists from all major countries.

Instead the treasonous Russian govt was planning to attend the Katyn ceremony to which the Polish plane was headed , grovel before them and apologize for the crime committed by Nazi Germany thus framing Russia once again for this vile deed. Here is rare English language truthful info about what happened in Katyn:
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html

Who do you suupose benefits from this crash?

[BoatingAccident]

Charging tanks on horseback is hopefully (for them) is not true because that would be the height of stupidity and great material for Polish jokes. ?


It's true, laugh at it if you will. The enemy, invading THEIR country, raping THEIR women.....had tanks.

They had horses.

Are your balls big enough?

Something, to think about. BTW, it worked. The polish horseman won several battles....with high losses.

[philo beddoe]

Charging tanks on horseback is hopefully (for them) is not true because that would be the height of stupidity and great material for Polish jokes.

Now, if the Russian govt truly wanted to destroy Poland, all it had to do is come out with THE TRUTH about Katyn being a nazi job as it was proven beyond any doubt in 1944 by an international commission led by the daughter of US ambassador to USSR at the time Harriman and which included journalists from all major countries.

Instead the treasonous Russian govt was planning to attend the Katyn ceremony to which the Polish plane was headed , grovel before them and apologize for the crime committed by Nazi Germany thus framing Russia once again for this vile deed. Here is rare English language truthful info about what happened in Katyn:
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/katyn.html

Who do you suupose benefits from this crash?
Who benefits is the IMF and the second jew in charge

[Occamsrazor]

I don`t care about anyone`s feelings towards Russia and I certainly don`t expect many people reading this forum to be fervent Russian patriots as I am.
Having said that, here are a few questions for intellectually-honest people:
1) Wouldn`t a today`s high-school student be able to superimpose the sound of 4 gunshots upon an amateur video taken at the crash site?
So, isn`t this evidence about as real as having superimposed sound of lovemaking upon the same video and claiming the deseased Poles were having a giant post-mortem orgy?

2) The plane has disintegrated in the air, this fact is ascertained by the pieces of the plane scattered around a 500 meter radius. Can a sane person claim that there were any survivors in need of being shot by the bloodthirsty Russkies?

3) We are being told that nobody has seen a single body on the ground or even a body part, a situation similar to the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania on 911.
So, was this plane empty at the time of the impact? Where the frig are the Polish president and the Polish elite today?

4) Am I mistaken but don`t the standard protocols prohibit boarding an entire govt of a country upon the same plane? Is the situation of the entire Polish elite on one plane adding more material for Polish jokes?

[Occamsrazor]

Charging tanks on horseback is hopefully (for them) is not true because that would be the height of stupidity and great material for Polish jokes. ?


It's true, laugh at it if you will. The enemy, invading THEIR country, raping THEIR women.....had tanks.

They had horses.

Are your balls big enough?

Something, to think about. BTW, it worked. The polish horseman won several battles....with high losses.


They won how? How did they win by charging tanks on horseback???
Also, one doesn`t have to rape Polish women...

[BoatingAccident]

[quote=Occamsrazor ]

They destroyed tanks. Learn your history...

And, your coments on polish women, is one of an insecure man.

[InsurgentWolf]

...
Also, one doesn`t have to rape Polish women...


That's just low man, the Polish are good people. (Yes, I've been to Poland.)


BTW, ever heard of molotov cocktails? They were invented to take out Russian tanks. Also grenades were very effective in immobilizing tanks.

[Occamsrazor]

[quote=Occamsrazor ]

They destroyed tanks. Learn your history...

And, your coments on polish women, is one of an insecure man.


Ok,while I`m learning my history here is some info for you:
1) tank:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank
2) horseback cavalry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalry

As for the Polish women, I stand by what I have said about most of them . The same goes for MOST Polish men. By the way, I have a cousin who is Polish and one of my closest friends is 100% pure Polish American.

[Occamsrazor]

...
Also, one doesn`t have to rape Polish women...




BTW, ever heard of molotov cocktails? They were invented to take out Russian tanks.

This is the fukin best! Molotov cocktails invented to take out RUSSIAN tanks!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov

Guys, are you trying to kill me by making me laugh until I pop my aorta?

[BoatingAccident]

Occam, I am more persuaded, by the men I've personally talked to...

Yes, men who charged tanks, on horseback, and destroyed those tanks.

I've spoken to these men in person.

You can take, your interenet wiki-shit, and shove it up your ass.

You prove nothing, but ignorance.

[InsurgentWolf]

...
Also, one doesn`t have to rape Polish women...




BTW, ever heard of molotov cocktails? They were invented to take out Russian tanks.

This is the fukin best! Molotov cocktails invented to take out RUSSIAN tanks!!!!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyacheslav_Molotov

Guys, are you trying to kill me by making me laugh until I pop my aorta?



Just learn your history.

"...
The soldiers of the Finnish Army successfully used Molotov cocktails against Red Army tanks in the two conflicts (Winter War and Continuation War) between Finland and the Soviet Union, and coined the term to mock Molotov. Molotov cocktails were even mass-produced by the Finnish military, bundled with matches to light them. They had already been used in the Spanish Civil War, sometimes propelled by a sling.
...
The Finnish Army, facing Red Army tanks in what came to be known as the Winter War, borrowed the design of an improvised incendiary device that had been used for the first time[1] in the just-concluded Spanish Civil War (July 1936—April 1939). In that conflict, General Francisco Franco ordered Spanish Nationalists to use the weapon against Soviet T-26 tanks supporting the Spanish Republicans in a failed 1936 assault on the Nationalist stronghold of Seseña, near Toledo, 80 km south from Madrid.
...
The Polish home army developed a version[5] which ignited on impact without the need of a wick. Ignition was caused by a reaction between concentrated sulfuric acid mixed with the fuel and a mixture of potassium chlorate and sugar which was crystallized from solution onto a rag attached to the bottle.
...
While Molotov cocktails may be a psychologically effective method of disabling tanks and armoured vehicles by forcing the crew out or damaging external components, most modern tanks cannot be physically destroyed or rendered completely inoperable by Molotov cocktails; only "disabled". It should be noted that early Soviet tanks had poorly designed engine louvers which allowed the admission of fuel - this design fault was quickly rectified, and subsequent armoured vehicles had engine louvers which drained fuel (as well as rain water and dust) away from the engine. Most tanks and IFVs of the 21st century have specially designed nuclear, biological and chemical protective systems that make them internally air-tight and sealed; they are well-protected from vapors, gases, and liquids.
..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_cocktail

[Olmstein]

I don`t care about anyone`s feelings towards Russia and I certainly don`t expect many people reading this forum to be fervent Russian patriots as I am.


Such a fervent Russian Patriot, you live in New York. LOL

[wildcard]

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/o/owned_wrestler-12235.jpg

[Occamsrazor]

Occam, I am more persuaded, by the men I've personally talked to...

Yes, men who charged tanks, on horseback, and destroyed those tanks.

I've spoken to these men in person.

You can take, your interenet wiki-sh*t, and shove it up your ass.

You prove nothing, but ignorance.

Yes sir, while I`m busy shoving my wiki s**t up my ass, you can charge tanks on horsebacks with your Polish buddies.

[BoatingAccident]

Yes sir, while I`m busy shoving my wiki s**t up my ass, you can charge tanks on horsebacks with your Polish buddies.


Sadly, I don't believe in my country to do that, anymore.

I'd like to.. I wish, I had the patriotism they did. But I don't. I envy that patriotism.

Maybe, the future, will change that.

[Occamsrazor]

I`m off to sleep and here is a great Russian joke for you.


War vets are exchanging war stories and one says:
"There was one guy in our unit who had his eyes blown out by a bomb. The doc made wooden eyes for him and the guy saw perfectly with those wooden eyes."

The vets are amazed and the guy continues:
" and there was another guy who had his balls blown off and the doc made wooden balls for him and the guy went off to have 10 babies with his wife".
The vets are even more amazed and one raises up his hand and asks:
" Has anyone actually seen one of those babies?"

"Yes" says the vet, "The guy with the wooden eyes!".

PS. Nice chatting with guys whose heroes are the great Finnish war vets and Polish horseback tank destroyers.

[Occamsrazor]

Yes sir, while I`m busy shoving my wiki s**t up my ass, you can charge tanks on horsebacks with your Polish buddies.


Sadly, I don't believe in my country to do that, anymore.

I'd like to.. I wish, I had the patriotism they did. But I don't. I envy that patriotism.

Maybe, the future, will change that.


The conservative number of Russian soldiers who died to clean Poland from the nazi scum (who killed between 3 and 5 million Poles) is 600000 and the cretinous Polish cowards thank us by framing us for the Katyn Nazi job because they are expecting eventual reparations from the country which has over 50% of the planet`s resources. Judas was a baby compared to the Polish nation. Polish soldiers were the biggest cowards in WW2. Cowardice and treachery go hand in hand.

[BoatingAccident]

[quote=Occamsrazor ]

Hey, you Russian bastards aided the Nazi scum..you are part of the 3-5 million Poles lost.

You are deliusional. The Poles would be happy, to be left alone, from your invasive country.

Poland, should be free. They'd like it that way.

[Occamsrazor]

[quote=Occamsrazor ]

Hey, you Russian bastards aided the Nazi scum..you are part of the 3-5 million Poles lost.

You are deliusional. The Poles would be happy, to be left alone, from your invasive country.

Poland, should be free. They'd like it that way.


We aided the nazis? Who did, the 27 million Russians killed by the nazis?

Poland stabbed Russia in the back in 1920s when we had our Civil war and they butchered 80000 of Russian POWs in THEIR concentration camps. I bet you didn`t hear about that from your horseback tank destroyers;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camps_for_Russian_prisoners_and_internees_in_Polan d_(1919%E2%80%931924)

You have personally insulted me in this thread a few times so let me ask you a question;
are you sure yours was a boating accident and not your mom dropping you when you were little?
have you heard about a book called Mein Kamph which outlines the nazi plans of ELIMINATING every Slav and Jew from the face of the planet? Nazis especially hated the Poles and most of the people who died in the nazi camps were Russian POWs and Poles. So when Russia invaded half of Poland it saved at least the people in the Russian-controlled half while Hitler was butchering Poles in his half. Poles breath air today thanks to Russian soldiers and the entire wolrd doesn`t have to speak German thanks to the same people.
But now the Polish nation is salivating upon the thought of demanding get this, 100 BILLION$ from Russia as a compensation for Katyn. For this kind of dough they will kill their own moms on prime time TV.

Also, if Poland wanted to be free and left alone, it shouldn`t have joined Napoleon in invading Russia. After we handed Napoleon his ass back on a platter, we took Poland among other things and if not for Lenin`s syphilitic brain in which the idea of letting Poland go was conceived, Poland would still be a part of Russia.
Poland is a bitch, it will never be free but will always be under some boot, Russian or ZOG`s. It would be much better for them to be under our boot because we don`t kill our subjects for some idiotic lofty reasons, read Russian literature to understand why...

[Olmstein]

Thunderdome!

Thunderdome!

Thunderdome!

[Occamsrazor]

Hey Boating Accident, let me tell you why the tiny thinking minority of Poles don`t want to hear a word about the nauseating legend of the Polish soldiers charging tanks on horseback.
The reason is that according to some accounts those Poles were so stupid and backward that they attacked the German tanks with LANCES because they didn`t know what a tank was and were still armed as they were in WW1 and even before.

Happily for the Polish nation another school of thought exists to which I belong. This school teaches that the whole story was invented by Germans as crude propaganda portraying Poles as complete idiots.
I have little fondness for Poland but I too mercifully share this view.

Now back to you. The chances of you actually meeting a Pole who would try to brag about having personally charged a German tank on horseback are zero.

Here is a real story of British lancers of no formidable intellegence implementing lances against Russian guns and cannons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade

[Occamsrazor]

Thunderdome!

Thunderdome!

Thunderdome!


We don`t need no stinking thunderdome. We need a room with rubber walls where those who missed their Haldol dose can cool off.

[FreeEnergy]

I got 2 things to add to this thread.

1. If (and this is a big IF) russians wanted to kill polish president, would they ever in their right mind think of shooting it over their territory? How DUMB you have to be to do it? With technology available to shoot the plain out of the sky ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD?

Come on people, add 2 and 2 together, this WAS NOT RUSSIA. if it was someone it was another alphabet soup foreign agency. Very convenient, kill the president who just told you to shove it and that who doesn't want to be euro-zone puppet and will handle its own money at its own country (come on, look it up, it is in the news), and blame russia as well.

2. Here's a link that I've posted earlier about THE CURRENT OPIUM WAR AGAINST RUSSIA (http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=3282.0) by the banko-narco- khazarian NATO.


Can we please start taking this teevee finally for what it is - judeo-khazarian propaganda machine?

[InsurgentWolf]

I got 2 things to add to this thread.

1. If (and this is a big IF) russians wanted to kill polish president, would they ever in their right mind think of shooting it over their territory? How DUMB you have to be to do it? With technology available to shoot the plain out of the sky ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD?

Come on people, add 2 and 2 together, this WAS NOT RUSSIA. if it was someone it was another alphabet soup foreign agency. Very convenient, kill the president who just told you to shove it and that who doesn't want to be euro-zone puppet and will handle its own money at its own country (come on, look it up, it is in the news), and blame russia as well.

2. Here's a link that I've posted earlier about THE CURRENT OPIUM WAR AGAINST RUSSIA (http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=3282.0) by the banko-narco- khazarian NATO.


Can we please start taking this teevee finally for what it is - judeo-khazarian propaganda machine?


Yes, maybe next time Russia has a whole plane full of government officials they want to rid off, they'll tell the plane to fly over another country just because. Seriously, what difference does it make where the plane was downed? It only makes the whole incident easier to cover up because now Russians get to do the "investigating".

Face it. Russia is NWO. Medvedev is a jew and Putin gives "New World Order" speeches.

[FreeEnergy]

IsurgentWolf, if you read my second point, you should be able to tell me why then there's a full frontal assault on russia going on right now, if it is NWO.

Also, can you please tell me if there were any khazars on that plane? And if not, how is that for a coincidence?

And a third. Let's wait and see who's going to finance a president in Poland. I bet he's not going to be pro-russian, and quite opposite.

Seriously, this is just such an obvious "lets make poles hate russians" plot.

[keehah]

Hmm...thread derailed by a Russian?

I'm not sure if the crash was accident or who caused it, but I knew it stunk when the head of the FSB when it was faking terrorist bombings of Russian apartment buildings said he was going to personally take over the investigation.

In dark times Poland needs the sunlight of truth
Conspiracy theories grow out of secrecy. For a nation’s sake, the Smolensk air crash investigation must be open (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/ben_macintyre/article7095796.ece)
From The Times April 13, 2010

In 1943 Poland’s wartime leader accused Moscow of ordering the Katyn massacre, the systematic murder of 22,000 Polish officers and intellectuals. A few months later he was dead, the victim of an air crash. Was it murder? Almost certainly not, but Poland’s painful past, combined with official secrecy, created precisely the muggy and mysterious conditions in which conspiracy theory thrives.

In 2010 another Polish leader, President Lech Kaczynski, heads to Katyn to commemorate the appalling massacre that took place there. Within hours he too is dead, along with his wife and 94 other members of Poland’s elite, the victims of another air crash. Was this coincidence? Almost certainly, but a similar climate of suspicion ensures that the conspiracies are already sprouting, and spreading.

The thread connecting these events is secrecy, for it is concealment that turns a tragedy into a festering historical sore. Britain still has not released all the files on the death in 1943 of General Wladyslaw Sikorski, Prime Minister of the Polish Government-in-exile. For decades Moscow declined to admit what had happened at Katyn, and Vladimir Putin still refuses to apologise.

In the confusion and grief following the Smolensk air crash on Saturday, the whispers, rumours and accusations have begun to circulate. The Polish president’s plane, it is noted darkly, was Russian-made, and recently serviced in Russia. The Russian Government heartily disliked President Kaczynski, who had criticised Russia’s “new imperialism”. Moscow declined to invite him to a ceremony at Katyn last Wednesday — so Kaczynski decided to hold a second memorial service, and was killed en route...

[FreeEnergy]

kehah, ok, I give you a hint.

There's an evidence out there that it wasn't russians who killed poles in khatyn, it was german SS, which is then most likely khazars. It is likely no more than a holohoax, and putin will not apologize for khazars.

Considering the fact that the whole "kapitalist" west built hitler to be a power to deal with soviet union...

Oh, and did Clinton apologize for leveling Yugoslavia? Did Bush apologize for killing 1 million Iraquis? The list can go on...oh no, they didn't apologize, oh wow....Stop with that "apology" crap, country leaders DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, because every other time they do something it would be upsetting one or the other side. Their choices usually have HUGE consequences, and no true president, if he's not a pussy, will apologize for their actions.

[FreeEnergy]

In the confusion and grief following the Smolensk air crash on Saturday, the whispers, rumours and accusations have begun to circulate. The Polish president’s plane, it is noted darkly, was Russian-made, and recently serviced in Russia. The Russian Government heartily disliked President Kaczynski, who had criticised Russia’s “new imperialism”. Moscow declined to invite him to a ceremony at Katyn last Wednesday — so Kaczynski decided to hold a second memorial service, and was killed en route...


Which judeo-khazarian news agency did you pick up this piece of propaganda from?


So, US fighting wars in every other country is not "new imperialism"? Khazarian kaganat is not new imperialism? Judeo-khazarian NWO is not "new imperialism", but apparently Russian claims to SECURE ITS OWN borders is? What a boat load of BS you are. ::)

[InsurgentWolf]

IsurgentWolf, if you read my second point, you should be able to tell me why then there's a full frontal assault on russia going on right now, if it is NWO.


There's also a full frontal assault against Americans, British, Germans... Nothing special here. Russians are under attack just like everyone else in the NWO.
Do you see Putin himself suffering because of the "opium war"? Or Medvedev? They (Russian .gov) are obviously not the victims of the "war" - the people are. (IF there is an "opium war".)



Also, can you please tell me if there were any khazars on that plane? And if not, how is that for a coincidence?

And a third. Let's wait and see who's going to finance a president in Poland. I bet he's not going to be pro-russian, and quite opposite.


I don't know whether there were any Khazars on that plane, but I also don't see the relevance.

[keehah]

Kopacz was not in the crash, but one does not hear such common sense from most polios:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewa_Kopacz

[Polish] Minister of Health since November 2007...

In 2009 Kopacz became an international presence on the Internet by requesting pharmaceutical companies to present the advantages of swine flu vaccines, and demanding they take full responsibility for the side effects. She advised the Polish government to wait until proper testing had been done on the vaccine before investing in it, citing the fact that seasonal flu exceeds the current WHO criteria for pandemic every year but there has been no declaration of a pandemic of this much more dangerous seasonal flu.

[FreeEnergy]

So, you don't see a reference? With poland being one of the strongholds of khazaria? With Pope john paul II being khazar? You don't see a reference that there should've been at least ONE khazar on that plane, granted how many there are in polish government?


They (Russian .gov) are obviously not the victims of the "war" - the people are.

and I actually agree with you on that one. but let's discuss this one in the other thread, since it is offtop.

[FreeEnergy]

what I am trying to imply that mentality "us vs. them" as in "USA vs. Russia" is WRONG in current world situation. A force exists - some call it NWO - that is currently beyond the nationalities or countries. It is out there to destroy every strong national government, so they can slave its people. USA seems to be one of the bases for the "evil empire", but it should be "USA+Russia against NWO" - this is a formula that NWO is the most afraid of.

So they are attempting to make everyone hate everyone - americans hate french, poles hate russians, americans hate iran, etc. Israel hates everyone else. etc.etc. But this is NOT by design, this is by virtue of their propaganda.

[PatColo]

There's a lot of good info about the Polish plane crash!

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/



Polish prosecutor to go to Moscow to clarify plane crash riddles (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/polish-prosecutor-to-go-to-moscow-to-clarify-plane-crash-riddles/)

Government critics can be arrested with impunity under new Russian law (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/government-critics-can-be-arrested-with-impunity-under-new-russian-law/)

New information from black box raises more questions (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/new-information-from-black-box-raises-more-questions/)

Killed Polish President’s brother to run for election in June (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/killed-polish-presidents-brother-to-run-for-election-in-june/)

Polish opposition party demands international investigation into plane crash (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/polish-opposition-party-demands-international-investigation-into-plane-crash/)

Terrain warning device was switched off on Polish crash plane, reports Interfax (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/terrain-warning-device-was-switched-off-on-polish-crash-plane-reports-interfax/)

Device spurs questions in Polish plane crash, reports USA Today (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/device-spurs-questions-in-polish-plane-crash-reports-usa-today/)

Polish people swing behind party of president killed in mysterious plane crash (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/polish-people-swing-behind-party-of-president-killed-in-mysterious-plane-crash/)

European Central Bank criticises Polish PM Tusk for taking money from central bank needed to keep currency weak and Poland’s exports competitive (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/european-central-bank-criticises-polish-pm-tusk-for-taking-money-from-central-bank-needed-to-keep-currency-weak-and-polands-exports-competitive/)

Bankers go to bondage club to relax, reports New York Times (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/24/bankers-go-to-bondage-club-to-relax-reports-new-york-time/)

Were the Polish elite abducted and killed in Poland? No evidence of bodies at crash site fuels speculation (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/were-the-polish-elite-abducted-and-killed-in-poland-no-evidence-of-bodies-at-crash-site-fuels-speculation/)

Report that man who shot Polish crash site video with gunshots was knifed in Kiev and died in hospital (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/report-that-man-who-shot-polish-crash-site-video-with-gunshots-was-knifed-in-kiev-and-died-in-hospital/)

Was the Polish President killed over landmark gas deal? (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/was-the-polish-president-killed-over-landmark-gas-deal/)

Polish media questions crash: anger flashes among people at funeral (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/polish-media-questions-crash-anger-flashes-among-people-at-funeral/)

New calls in Poland for weaker Zloty after central bank governor killed in plane crash following intervention (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/new-calls-in-poland-for-weaker-zloty-after-central-bank-governor-killed-in-plane-crash-following-intervention/)

Questions about plane crash grow in Poland (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/questions-about-plane-crash-grow-in-poland/)

Investigations into plane crash continue to offer puzzles (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/investigations-into-plane-crash-continue-to-offer-puzzles/)

Obama and world leaders cancel trip to Krakow because of volanco ash cloud (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/18/obama-and-world-leaders-cancel-trip-to-krakow-because-of-volanco-ash-cloud/)

Could Obama’s visit to Krakow spark a bird flu pandemic? (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/could-obamas-visit-to-krakow-spark-a-bird-flu-pandemic/)

Polish prosecutors examine video footage of crash site with gunshots (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/polish-prosecutors-examine-video-footage-of-crash-site-with-gunshots/)

Smolensk runway lighting system tampered with, says Russian journalist (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/smolensk-runway-lighting-system-tampered-with-says-russian-journalist/)

Krakow to be closed down for funeral: cellphone networks and airspace to be shut down (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/krakow-to-be-closed-down-for-funeral-cellphone-networks-and-airspace-to-be-shut-down/)

Black box reveals pilots of Polish president’s jet knew they were doomed and made a ‘dramatic’ flight deck speech (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/black-box-reveals-pilots-of-polish-presidents-jet-knew-they-were-doomed-and-made-a-dramatic-flight-deck-speech/)

Russian president says polish plane crash “mystical” (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/russian-president-says-polish-plane-crash-mystical/)

International terrorists from FSB Russia murdered Polish President with EMP (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/international-terrorists-from-fsb-russia-murdered-polish-president-with-emp/)

Individual invitations to generals spotlights role of Kaczynski in massacre of Polish elite (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/individual-invitations-to-generals-spotlights-role-of-kaczynski-in-massacre-of-polish-elite/)

CFR, Trilateral Commission Member to Replace Poland’s Kaczynski? (http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/cfr-trilateral-commission-member-to-replace-poland%e2%80%99s-kaczynski/)

[InsurgentWolf]

So, you don't see a reference? With poland being one of the strongholds of khazaria? With Pope john paul II being khazar? You don't see a reference that there should've been at least ONE khazar on that plane, granted how many there are in polish government?

...


Still doesn't tell us whether it was the western Khazars or the eastern (Russian) Khazars.

[FreeEnergy]

PatColo, what you and your khazarian author Burgermeister is doing is lumping good news with the total garbage to produce incoherent group in order to deceive. For exampe, this title below is from Kavkaz Center - pleeease, it is where all the afghan drug money is being dumped to steer the pot... they will call everyone and their mother international terrorists for that kind of money they are being washed with.


Jane Burgermeister
International terrorists from FSB Russia murdered Polish President with EMP
Publication time: 14 April 2010, 12:54
Kavkaz Center

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/international-terrorists-from-fsb-russia-murdered-polish-president-with-emp/


This will give you a hint, Polish president wanted to devalue zloty way lower than IMF/WorldBank / World Cabal wanted to. And the guy who came after him - he couldn't say "we won't devalue", it would be too obvious, but he said he will be complacent with the cabal orders.


“We support the central bank in this activity,” Kotecki said. “We cross our fingers for successful interventions.” He added the intervention should not aim to “go against the trend” in order to be efficient.

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2010/04/19/new-calls-in-poland-for-weaker-zloty-after-central-bank-governor-killed-in-plane-crash-following-intervention/


This was decided to happen right before "the crash":


The bank wants to keep devaluing the zloty against a basket of Western currencies at a monthly rate of 1.6 percent, which would amount to about 24 percent over the year
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/poland-stands-by-plan-for-zloty-devaluation/215504.html



The Premier of Poland and the CEO of the Central Bank had decided to devalue the Zloty ... what happens when a country devalues its currency? Its outside debt loses in value and essentially gets smaller. Who would that make really mad?

It is more likely that the plane had been blanketed with directional electromagnetic fields and that made the instrumentation/computer completely useless.

last quote is not mine, but just give you an idea.

[FreeEnergy]

why is nobody asking this question:

WHO'S BENEFITING FROM THIS?

it would be then painfully obvious.

presidents don't get killed because someone just doesn't like them personally. they are being killed for disobeying the order, or in order to take over the government.

with pope john paul II, and the puppeteer of at least 3 presidents of US zbigniew brzezinski both being polish khazars - I tell ya poland wasn't a "free country", but a part of NWO. And if a president said he's going to do something that NWO doesn't like - well, I see a very legitimate reason for a kill. Let me remind you all of JFK for a moment and his attempt to issue debt-free money - that also has been blamed on "bad russians" , but hopefully nobody here buys this old load of BS.

I should also add to this The Order of White Eagle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_White_Eagle_%28Poland%29) to stick a final fork into the idea that Poland was "free".

[Occamsrazor]

There were no khazars on that plane??? How about EVERYONE on that plane were khazars. Look at the pics of the Polish president, he is a quintessencial Jew and so are the entire "Polish" elite.

Like I said, Poland has based its current reason d`etre upon hating Russia for Katyn which was proven to be a Nazi job. Trying to extort 100 billion$ compensation from Russians who lost about a million soldiers in WW2 saving Poland from Nazi genocide for one of countless nazi massacres is AS LOW A THING AS ONE CAN COMMIT.

This situation is unique and unprecendented in its baseness.

[Serpo]

The Mystery of Poland's Presidential Plane Crash Deepens

some interesting pictures at this link also

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-kolonko/the-mystery-of-polands-pr_b_551223.html

According to an anonymous source, the investigation into the causes of the Polish presidential plane crash may be subjected to political pressure which could hinder the ongoing investigation. This, claims the source, is due to the political aspect of the accident: the tragic death of the president on the territory of a foreign country.

The Polish presidential jet was not insured, which could mean that the party at fault in the tragedy may be subject to a multimillion dollar civil litigation suit by families of the victims.

This situation additionally complicates the fact that the Polish president was headed to Russia to commemorate a mass murder of Polish officers during World War II by the Soviets in Katyn, "a cursed place" as the former President of Poland Aleksander Kwasniewski has described it. Some even compare the Polish presidential jet crash, in which Poland lost its President and dozens of political, military and religious leaders, to Katyn No 2.

If the cause of the crash is determined to be a flight controller's mistake or a malfunction of the navigation equipment at the Russian airport, it could harm Polish-Russian relations, which for years have been far from satisfactory, the source says.
2010-04-25-zarowkicrashsite.jpg


Questions

A picture of Russian airport personnel changing light bulbs in the approach lights to Smolensk airport under the supervision of a uniformed Russian military officer has been circulated in the Polish media. This prompted the Polish prosecutor in charge of the investigation to ask his Russian counterpart for an explanation.

"The question should be: was it something that was planned earlier or was it a decision that was taken in the aftermath of the crash," says Greg Phillips, a former NTSB crash investigator.

Four days before the crash, jets of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk safely landed on the same tarmac in Smolensk. According to unconfirmed reports, Prime Minster Putin's security detail equipped the airport with an additional navigation system, MMLS (Mobile Microwave Landing System), before the landing which was dismantled after the visit was completed. In Poland the revelation fuels speculation about the crash.

Russian authorities who lead the investigation have not yet answered if the report is true and if so why the same navigational equipment was not provided for the pilots of the Polish Presidential plane.

Who owns the black boxes?

According to the largest Polish opinionated daily Rzeczpospolita, Polish Prosecutor General, Andrzej Seremeta, stated that Polish investigators would obtain from Russian authorities "transcripts of cockpit voice recorders, not the voice recorders itself".

This raised eyebrows of some US aviation experts.

According to the rules of crash investigation included in Annex 6 and 13 of ICAO Chicago Convention (also signed by Poland and Russia), a Polish investigation team should be directly involved in the process of the analysis of the black boxes content.

Greg Phillips, a former NTSB crash investigator, agrees that the Polish investigation team should be able to retrieve the black boxes after the investigation just as the pieces of the airplane itself since they are the property of the Government of Poland which owned the plane.

Phillips admits, however, that it is unclear if the ICAO regulations regarding civilian airplanes could be applied to a presidential plane operated by the Polish Air Force.

2010-04-25-Polishairforceone.jpg


The Flying Coffin

The President of Poland traveled on a Russian made Tu-154 with a disqualifying safety record (40 crashes since 1970). Polish journalists called it "the Flying Coffin;" American pilots labeled it "Careless." According to Ascend magazine, Tu-154 has suffered a fatal accident for every 431,200 flights, compared with Boeing 737s record of one fatal crash for each 2.68-million flights.

The issue of the modernization of the governmental fleet has been raised in Poland since the early 90's but for various reasons it was never completed.

In 2007 the issue became political when Prime Minister Donald Tusk proposed that Polish governmental VIP's should travel on commercial flights, which was in accordance with public expectations. A 2007 Polish edition of a Newsweek poll showed a majority of Poles believed the state authorities should fly on commercial airliners.

In February 2008, in a political showdown, Prime Minister Donald Tusk traveled to Washington on an official state visit to the White House on board a Polish commercial airliner LOT.

"No problems with the airplane"

Preliminary reports on the Polish presidential jet crash indicate that flight PLF 101 attempted to land in a dense fog when it struck an installation 1000 meters before the runway then cut tops of trees, which caused the aircraft to flip and crash inverted into a forest, killing all 96 people on board instantly.

According to a former NTSB crash investigator, Greg Phillips, there is no indication of a malfunction of the aircraft. Tu-154 is well known among pilots for its robust construction, which can increase the chances of survival in a crash landing situation.

The airplane made it to the airport without any problem; there was no emergency call, no distress calls, which indicate that there was probably no problem with the airplane, says Phillips.

The mystery of the Polish Presidential jet crash additionally deepens the fact that it was equipped with TAWS, a safety device that warns pilots when they get too close to the ground.

If the safety device was working properly, it would be the first such crash of an aircraft with the system in aviation history, says John M. Cox, a safety consultant and former accident investigator.

Photographs of the crash site show the gear of the airplane was in the"down" position when it crashed. This indicates that the plane was on a landing approach but was about 1000 meters away from the point where it should have been. TAWS should have given a warning. It's a mystery why the crew would have ignore it, adds Cox.

The functionality of the TAWS system can be determined by an analysis of the flight data in the microchip installed in the system, which can be done only at the device manufacturer Universal Avionics Systems of Tucson. The company declined comments due to the pending investigation. Experts agree that it is likely, however, that the device did not contain topographical maps of the Smolensk airport area, probably due to the fact that it was a military airport which changed its status to a civilian facility only six months before the crash.

A Polish-Russian dilemma
2010-04-25-samolot_katastrofa_smolensk_ap_470.jpeg


According to Greg Phillip's analysis of the crash, the pilot of the plane attempting to land in low visibility conditions could undertake a "look-see approach," which is basically an instrument approach up to the point when the pilot can continue to land using external visual references.

The look-see approach is considered by pilots to be a very risky maneuver and is generally banned by the FAA on all civilian airports in the US for commercial operators.

A veteran major airline corporate and general aviation pilot, Captain John Cox, indicates, however, that pilots of the Polish Air Force One were aware of the limitations of Smolensk airport and descending in low visibility could use a non-precision approach, which is allowed for presidential aircraft.

The key is to watch the altimeter, and make sure not to go below the minimum descent altitude (MDA) before obtaining visual sight of the runway, says Cox.

Experts agree that it is a difficult maneuver, which often ends with a crash.

In similar circumstances, on October 19, 2004, a Corporate Airlines BAE-J3201 Jetstream struck trees and crashed short of the Kirksville, Missouri Regional Airport runway during a night non-precision instrument approach.

Greg Phillips points to another important question regarding the flight of PLF 101. Why did the pilots circle the airport three times and what happened on board that plane at the time when they decided to make a decision to land against all odds?

"It seems to me that the key to determining the causes of the Polish Air Force One crash will be establishing if the pilot who made the decision to take a look-see approach had the authorization for the risky landing maneuver," says Greg Phillips. He added: "This authorization pertains not only to the pilot himself or a person in charge of the presidential plane but also the airport authority who has jurisdiction over the airport in Smolensk which under existing weather conditions should be closed

[Occamsrazor]

Here is a simple analogy to help one understand what happened in Katyn.
Imagine there is a prolific serial killer operating in an area (Nazi Germany in eastern Europe and Russia), the killer has killed a huge number of people and has published plans to kill most of them (Mein Kamph is a plan to eliminate Slavs and Jews)).
Also, there is a local police department which is fighting the serial killer (USSR).
The serial killer "finds a mass grave" and claims that these Poles are killed by the police department unlike the millions of Poles already killed by the killer (Nazi Germany).
Would any sane person believe the word of the serial killer in such case?

[Occamsrazor]

The biggest mystery is whether the plane WAS EMPTY WHEN IT CRASHED. If it was empty then we have a story worthy of Sir Conan Doyle upon our hands.

[optionT]

The Mystery of Poland's Presidential Plane Crash Deepens


Who owns the black boxes?

According to the largest Polish opinionated daily Rzeczpospolita, Polish Prosecutor General, Andrzej Seremeta, stated that Polish investigators would obtain from Russian authorities "transcripts of cockpit voice recorders, not the voice recorders itself".

This raised eyebrows of some US aviation experts.

According to the rules of crash investigation included in Annex 6 and 13 of ICAO Chicago Convention (also signed by Poland and Russia), a Polish investigation team should be directly involved in the process of the analysis of the black boxes content.

Greg Phillips, a former NTSB crash investigator, agrees that the Polish investigation team should be able to retrieve the black boxes after the investigation just as the pieces of the airplane itself since they are the property of the Government of Poland which owned the plane.

Phillips admits, however, that it is unclear if the ICAO regulations regarding civilian airplanes could be applied to a presidential plane operated by the Polish Air Force.






Why not release all of the information on the black box? Actions like these add more suspicion as to who is responsible. If russia didn't do it they would go out of there way to make everything as transparent as they could. But they are withholding information.

[Occamsrazor]

Why not release all of the information on the black box? Actions like these add more suspicion as to who is responsible. If russia didn't do it they would go out of there way to make everything as transparent as they could. But they are withholding information.


This is highly suspicious. The current Russian govt is busy framing Russia for Katyn. The destination of the plane was Katyn where they were supposed to have a join ceremony framing themselves for the nazi job.
It is possible that they are framing themselves for the plane crash too because they seem to do everything to appear as guilty as possible.

[Horn]

4) Am I mistaken but don`t the standard protocols prohibit boarding an entire govt of a country upon the same plane? Is the situation of the entire Polish elite on one plane adding more material for Polish jokes?


Well they were using those horse vs. tanks, remember... :)

This is all very intriguing, foul play is becoming glaringly obvious, and also becoming clear that there are opposing sides in this case.

Big sharks eating each other here? Who can tell what to trust coming out of Eastern Europe, it's as everything over there goes thru 17 different rehearsals before it reaches our ears.

[Occamsrazor]

I`ve collected a handful of smites since yesterday when I started posting in this thread.
As I`ve said here, I address only intellectually-honest people whenever I write.
Anything involving Poland always stinks to high heaven.

[philo beddoe]

I`ve collected a handful of smites since yesterday when I started posting in this thread.
As I`ve said here, I address only intellectually-honest people whenever I write.
Anything involving Poland always stinks to high heaven.
This coming from a half Greek/half Khazar claiming to be Russian?

[Horn]

post what you've got, +1 for ya.Smites are good for you.

I always read your stuff, even though I disagree sometimes.

[BoatingAccident]

post what you've got, +1 for ya.Smites are good for you.

I always read your stuff, even though I disagree sometimes.


I second this, though I did not smite you. I disagree with you Occam. I think you are wrong about Poland, I've been there enough times to know the truth, from actually talking to people.

Poland is one country (non U.S.) that I would be willing to fight for.

[Occamsrazor]

post what you've got, +1 for ya.Smites are good for you.

I always read your stuff, even though I disagree sometimes.


I second this, though I did not smite you. I disagree with you Occam. I think you are wrong about Poland, I've been there enough times to know the truth, from actually talking to people.

Poland is one country (non U.S.) that I would be willing to fight for.


I would fight and die for the honest Poles who don`t frame their saviours for what their killers did. There are quite a few who know the truth and they treat Russians as family. Russians and Poles are very close genetically and our languages are very similar. The mutual hate has to stop some day.

[Occamsrazor]

G2Rad, let`s make an agreement.

Whenever you discuss 911 I will post official mainstream media articles and movies about it while you can continue posting official info about Stalin and USSR delivered in crispy British accent.

A deal?

[Nordmann]

http://rapidshare.com/files/378873458/Smolensk.zip

Some graphic photos of the crime scene that TPTB does not want you to have.

[Occamsrazor]

You see, my Jewish great-grandparents were buried alive by SS in Ukraine during WW2.

Due to my innate Russian magnanimity I have joined the Holocaust revisionists in questioning the feasibility of gassing millions of people and making the bodies diasappear.

I also implicate Israel in 911.

But I have not seen a single German voice of conscience refuting the filthy slander by the British by the way
(a certain Anthony Beevor is the sole author of this) of Russians having raped 2 million women in Germany at the end of WW2.

Nor have I seen a single non-Russian voice of conscience besides Grover Furr and the Stalin Society in UK refuting the lies about Stalin, Katyn and USSR in general.

Magnanimity is a quality that has almost entirely disappeared from the Western man.

[Occamsrazor]

You see, my Jewish great-grandparents were buried alive by SS in Ukraine during WW2.

Due to my innate Russian magnanimity I have joined the Holocaust revisionists in questioning the feasibility of gassing millions of people and making the bodies diasappear.

I also implicate Israel in 911.

But I have not seen a single German voice of conscience refuting the filthy slander by the British by the way
(a certain Anthony Beevor is the sole author of this) of Russians having raped 2 million women in Germany at the end of WW2.

Nor have I seen a single non-Russian voice of conscience besides Grover Furr and the Stalin Society in UK refuting the lies about Stalin, Katyn and USSR in general.

Magnanimity is a quality that has almost entirely disappeared from the Western man.


I don't understand how your Jewish-Russian origin could be justification of your hate towards Germans and Poles.

After Jews invented the ideology, the Russians implemented it by murdering 7 millions Ukrainians "for starters" in a bloody Holocaust nobody ever mentions.

What gives you right to slander Poles here? ???

Polish hands are no more in blood than yours.


Ukrainian Ukrohoax is another gigantic slander. here is the truth:
http://www.stalinsociety.org.uk/ukrainian.html

You don't understand how my Jewish-Russian origin could be justification of my hate towards Germans and Poles??? I lost half of my family on every side to nazis.

Did you read what you just posted? Are you ok?

[BoatingAccident]

Occam,

You must understand, the Polish, just want to be left alone. They were trapped, stuck between Germany, and Russia. The perfect spot, throughout history, for a "battle"...the flat ground.

I spoke to one man, who was very young 13, during WWII. After school, him and his school friends, would sneak up on a Nazi guard, train station, and throw rocks at them. Every day, after school. They were shot at by the guards in return. 13 years old. Every day, they did that.

The Polish people are proud, and brave. Even at a young age.

Very few cultures put the country above, themselves. Poland is one.

[FreeEnergy]

Like I said, Poland has based its current reason d`etre upon hating Russia for Katyn which was proven to be a Nazi job. Trying to extort 100 billion$ compensation from Russians who lost about a million soldiers in WW2 saving Poland from Nazi genocide for one of countless nazi massacres is AS LOW A THING AS ONE CAN COMMIT.

This situation is unique and unprecendented in its baseness.


you've got a point there, buddy.

[Occamsrazor]

Occam,

You must understand, the Polish, just want to be left alone. They were trapped, stuck between Germany, and Russia. The perfect spot, throughout history, for a "battle"...the flat ground.

I spoke to one man, who was very young 13, during WWII. After school, him and his school friends, would sneak up on a Nazi guard, train station, and throw rocks at them. Every day, after school. They were shot at by the guards in return. 13 years old. Every day, they did that.

The Polish people are proud, and brave. Even at a young age.

Very few cultures put the country above, themselves. Poland is one.


My mom`s uncle lied to the authorities at 16 about his age. He pretended that he was 18 and went to war in 1941. He finished the war 300 kilometers from Berlin after getting shot thru the chest and face by a German sniper. he is still alive by the way.
My grandpa was a military surgeon who was MIA in WW2, Leningard front.
Everyone in my family fought in WW2.

There are only 3 truly heroic nations, Russia, Germany and Japan. The rest of the countries have their share of heroic individuals.

[philo beddoe]

Like I said, Poland has based its current reason d`etre upon hating Russia for Katyn which was proven to be a Nazi job. Trying to extort 100 billion$ compensation from Russians who lost about a million soldiers in WW2 saving Poland from Nazi genocide for one of countless nazi massacres is AS LOW A THING AS ONE CAN COMMIT.

This situation is unique and unprecendented in its baseness.


you've got a point there, buddy.
No he doesn't. He wants to cover up the fact that it wasn't Russians, or Germans who performed the Katyn massacre. It was the f*cking kykes in control of Russia at the time.

[Occamsrazor]

Like I said, Poland has based its current reason d`etre upon hating Russia for Katyn which was proven to be a Nazi job. Trying to extort 100 billion$ compensation from Russians who lost about a million soldiers in WW2 saving Poland from Nazi genocide for one of countless nazi massacres is AS LOW A THING AS ONE CAN COMMIT.

This situation is unique and unprecendented in its baseness.


you've got a point there, buddy.
No he doesn't. He wan't to cover up the fact that it wasn't Russians, or germans who performed the Katyn massacre. It was the f*cking k-words in control of Russia at the time.


You mean the kikes? No Katyn was a nazi job. Nazis were led by a certain one-testicled kike.

I do feel an acute sense of shame when I meet an Afghani. We did kill several million of them and these indomitable people will never surrender to anyone. The Russian Afghan war was a strategic and humanitarian disaster.

But when I see a Pole I feel good about myself.
PS.I love Polish chicks and wouldn`t rule out marrying one if the chips fall this way.

[Book]

But I have not seen a single German voice of conscience refuting the filthy slander by the British by the way
(a certain Anthony Beevor is the sole author of this) of Russians having raped 2 million women in Germany at the end of WW2.


http://www.afrugalfriend.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Disney_Sails_to__Russia597117082.jpg

East Germany was the Russian version of Disneyworld until those ungrateful peasants tore down the Berlin Wall...

:oo-->

[Occamsrazor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Savior_on_Blood
Book, this is a famous St.Petersburg church that you posted. I used to take a bus on my way to school every day near that church.

[BoatingAccident]

[quote=BoatingAccident ]My mom`s uncle lied to the authorities at 16 about his age. He pretended that he was 18 and went to war in 1941. He finished the war 300 kilometers from Berlin after getting shot thru the chest and face by a German sniper. he is still alive by the way.
My grandpa was a military surgeon who was MIA in WW2, Leningard front.
Everyone in my family fought in WW2.

There are only 3 truly heroic nations, Russia, Germany and Japan. The rest of the countries have their share of heroic individuals.


You left out one other heroic nation, the United States. Normandy, and after..

My condolences on your family, Occam. I just don't understand why you blame the Polish. Or why you look so down upon them. They fought just as heroic in WWII as your family did.

[Occamsrazor]

Normandy was fighting with starved Germans whose backs were already broken by Russia and even some Russian POWs who were forced to fight on the German side at gunpoint.
Germany was finished after Stalingrad. Normandy means nothing as far as the outcome of WW2 is concerned.
Polish cowardice in WW2 was unique among the fighting sides.
Poles are copying the Jews in playing the victim, only they are after Russian money because Germany is paying every pfenning they have to the Jews.

I hope you understand why I look down on Poles in the light of the info I posted in this thread.

[BoatingAccident]

Normandy was fighting with starved Germans whose backs were already broken by Russia and even some Russian POWs who were forced to fight on the German side at gunpoint.
Germany was finished after Stalingrad. Normandy means nothing as far as the outcome of WW2 is concerned.
Polish cowardice in WW2 was unique among the fighting sides.
Poles are copying the Jews in playing the victim, only they are after Russian money because Germany is paying every pfenning they have to the Jews.

I hope you understand why I look down on Poles in the light of the info I posted in this thread.


So, what you are saying, is that 'starved German's' are the ones who met us at Omaha Beach, Utah, gold, ertc.. on June 4, 1944.

The day, we entered the war.

That is a day we, will all remember. You have some nerve, coming on here and saying that meanings nothing, the day we landed in normandy.

A lot of us folks, have ol' relatives there that day. Just, so you know...

[Occamsrazor]

Normandy was fighting with starved Germans whose backs were already broken by Russia and even some Russian POWs who were forced to fight on the German side at gunpoint.
Germany was finished after Stalingrad. Normandy means nothing as far as the outcome of WW2 is concerned.
Polish cowardice in WW2 was unique among the fighting sides.
Poles are copying the Jews in playing the victim, only they are after Russian money because Germany is paying every pfenning they have to the Jews.

I hope you understand why I look down on Poles in the light of the info I posted in this thread.


So, what you are saying, is that 'starved German's' are the ones who met us at Omaha Beach, Utah, gold, ertc.. on June 4, 1944.

The day, we entered the war.

That is a day we, will all remember. You have some nerve, coming on here and saying that meanings nothing, the day we landed in normandy.

A lot of us folks, have ol' relatives there that day. Just, so you know...

YES, YOU SAT OUT WW2. We asked you to enter the war in 1941. You waited until we spent 27 million people to break the Nazi back , then you entered the war so you could end it on the right side and write in your school books that you single-handedly won WW2. This is as low as it gets.

[Occamsrazor]

We have a monument for the Allied US and UK soldiers but America doesn`t have a monument for the Russian soldiers.

France has a Stalingrad Boulevard in Paris and a subway station with the same name. The French remember.

US lost 10000 in Normandy, USSR lost over 10000 every day for 5 years.

[BoatingAccident]

.

YES, YOU SAT OUT WW2. We asked you to enter the war in 1941. You waited until we spent 27 million people to break the Nazi back , then you entered the war so you could end it on the right side and write in your school books that you single-handedly won WW2. This is as low as it gets.
[/quote]

You are as low as it gets.

Had we not entered the war, Britain would have folded...and the tide turned.

Both you, The Soviets, and the Nazi's would be one.

That's the facts. We entered the war and ended it. You should thank us.

[Occamsrazor]

.

YES, YOU SAT OUT WW2. We asked you to enter the war in 1941. You waited until we spent 27 million people to break the Nazi back , then you entered the war so you could end it on the right side and write in your school books that you single-handedly won WW2. This is as low as it gets.


You are as low as it gets.

Had we not entered the war, Britain would have folded...and the tide turned.

Both you, The Soviets, and the Nazi's would be one.

That's the facts. We entered the war and ended it. You should thank us.
[/quote]

I dream about an alternative outcome to WW2 where Germany and USSR united against US and UK.
US lost 400000 in WW2, we lost 27 million and Germany 10 million, do the math.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=3377.0

[Horn]

The mistake the U.S. made was not letting Britain fall before going in.

Ever since we've been assimilated into them & their counterparts.

[BoatingAccident]

I dream about an alternative outcome to WW2 where Germany and USSR united against US and UK.
US lost 400000 in WW2, we lost 27 million and Germany 10 million, do the math.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/index.php?topic=3377.0


And what do you think the world would be like today?

I'm done, with this argument, Occam.

The past is the past, may we pray it never resurfaces...

Besides, we should be less focused, upon, the past....WWII. Perhaps, it's WWIII, we should be keeping an eye on.

[Occamsrazor]

Here is a summary of what I think. Russia is a magnificent nation with its large share of nefarious individuals. USA/Britain is a nefarious nation with its large share of magnificent individuals.

We must make sense of our recent past because understanding it will determine whether we survive on this planet or not.

[BoatingAccident]

Here is a summary of what I think. Russia is a magnificent nation with its large share of nefarious individuals. USA/Britain is a nefarious nation with its large share of magnificent individuals.

We must make sense of our recent past because understanding it will determine whether we survive on this planet or not.


Damn. I agree with you.

[Occamsrazor]

Here is a summary of what I think. Russia is a magnificent nation with its large share of nefarious individuals. USA/Britain is a nefarious nation with its large share of magnificent individuals.

We must make sense of our recent past because understanding it will determine whether we survive on this planet or not.


Damn. I agree with you.


And this is why the magnificent Anglo-saxon and other Western individuals are even more precious than Russian magnificent individuals. It is easy to be a good person in Russia which is the home of Christ`s spirit where there is a huge societal pressure to be decent.
When I meet a decent American I have an urge to stand up and tip my hat because I`m in the presense of a true hero. To have grown up in a rotten porn-infested satanic hell that is the West and remain decent is a feat. I mean every word I`ve said here.

[Occamsrazor]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/7646546/Documents-show-Stalin-signed-Katyn-death-warrants.html

My mom writes shopping lists and leaves them unsigned. I asked her to sign one with "Joseph Stalin".
I will scan and post it soon. As it turns out, Stalin wants mostly organic food...

[cheka.]

so what happened after the plane crash? wholesale changes and nyc/bloomberg calling for 'independent' (code word for secretive) central bank

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-11/poland-needs-an-independent-central-bank

Poland Needs an Independent Central Bank

In the two months since it won an absolute majority in parliament, Poland's Law and Justice Party has seemed more intent on achieving something close to absolute power.

The new government annulled its predecessor's appointments to the country's highest court, put in five of its own appointees,

and then passed a law to curb the court's powers.

Complaining of media bias, it fired the management of Poland's state broadcasters, weakened the media regulator, and named a former party campaign manager to run public television.

Another Law and Justice (PiS) stalwart has been tapped to lead the intelligence services.

These and other moves have been strongly criticized in Europe, prompting comparisons with Hungary's authoritarian rulers.

In Poland, they have sparked protests and eroded public support for the party.

Yet the new rulers' most alarming changes may be ahead -- because they're now preparing to retool Poland's economic policy.

Eight of the 10 members of the central bank's monetary policy council will soon reach the end of their terms. The parliament will name six replacements, and the new PiS-supported president, Andrzej Duda, will appoint the other two. PiS has made it clear it wants a more government-friendly central bank, one that's more willing to lower interest rates -- something that Marek Belka, the current bank governor, says isn't needed. (Belka's term ends in June.)

This could be a problem, especially if the PiS government follows through on its promises to increase spending. It has proposed, among other things, to provide a 500 zloty ($125) monthly child subsidy for poorer households, to lower the retirement age, to raise tax-free income thresholds, and to boost the minimum wage. The child subsidy program alone is estimated to cost 19 billion zlotys in 2016.

The danger is that PiS will want to pay for its populist pledges by borrowing, and will count on the central bank to pave the way by pushing down interest rates. It would be a double shame because Poland's economy remains in need of steady, competent management.

The economy has certain strengths after years of growth, including strong trading relationships and a deep bench of international investors. But living standards remain well below the European average, parts of the country have not reaped the benefits of growth, and labor markets remain too inflexible. Poland has one of Europe's fastest-aging demographics, putting a strain on social services. While gross domestic product is growing -- officially, at a rate of about 3.5 percent in 2015 -- a weak currency makes this growth appear stronger than it really is. The national deficit has been steadily declining, but it remains over the European Union's 3 percent limit.

Poland's problems are structural, not of a monetary nature, so the government should not lean on the central bank to solve them. But its aggressive moves to dominate the constitutional court and the media have made investors worry that it might. This week, in parliamentary hearings, the nominees for the monetary policy committee will have a chance to declare their loyalty to the independent central bank mandate, rather than the PiS government's mission. That would send an important signal to investors.

To contact the senior editor responsible for Bloomberg View’s editorials: David Shipley at davidshipley@bloomberg.net.