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MNeagle
3rd May 2010, 05:40 PM
Guess Who's Paying For The Greece Bailout? That's Right -- YOU

Read more: Link to Article (http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-guess-whos-paying-for-that-greece-bailout-thats-right-you-2010-5#ixzz0mutRlLga)



The bailout outrages never stop.

Of the 110-billion Euro Greece bailout, 30-billion (approx $40 billion) will be paid for by the IMF.

The US supplies almost 20% of the IMF's funding (per quotas). So that means US taxpayers are providing ~$8 billion of the $145 billion going to kick the Greek can down the road.

That's the first outrage. (Why is this our problem?)

The second outrage is that, as in some of the US bailouts, our bailout money is JUNIOR to Greece's existing debt. That means that, over the next couple of years, the idiot banks that loaned bankrupt Greece money will get their money back. And then, when Greece runs out of cash again, we'll be left holding the bag (along with Germany and the rest of the folks who bailed Greece out).

In any normal financing, the lender of last resort would be SENIOR to all existing debt. It would get its money back first, before the other idiots got a penny.

In the Greece bailout, however, the new money we're putting in will be going right out the door to pay off existing lenders who would have lost their shirts. And if the Greece austerity measures don't work and there's nothing left for us? Tough.

(Why don't the existing creditors have to lose a penny? Same reason the AIG creditors didn't lose a penny. Because it would apparently be too traumatic to ask them to do that. The idea that the existing creditors might have to lose money was apparently so unthinkable that it was never even on the table).

It's nice of us to bail out Greece, isn't it? Can't we at least get the Parthenon as collateral or something?



Read more: Link to Article (http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-guess-whos-paying-for-that-greece-bailout-thats-right-you-2010-5#ixzz0muteDHhH)



EDIT: Changed long links to named links to prevent forum page scrolling to right. -Gaillo

Ponce
3rd May 2010, 05:49 PM
Someday all that fiat will have to come home to roost.........but.......when the US declares Chapter 7 or 11 or whatever none of that will matter.......keep on printing Uncle Sugar.

jedemdasseine
3rd May 2010, 08:33 PM
After the domestic investment too-big-to-fail bank bailouts, what incentive do banks have to reduce risk, knowing they'll be bailed out?

Similarly now, what incentive do countries have not to overspend and default, knowing they'll be bailed out?

Directly or indirectly, the US is bailing out Greece and any other insolvent sovereigns.

(The US will likely go down last or near last.)

"Too big to fail" applies to countries, too.

Sucking the QE tit.

Book
3rd May 2010, 08:53 PM
Directly or indirectly, the US is bailing out Greece and any other insolvent sovereigns.


AIG is now our national federal business model since we bought it. Might as well insure whole nations now.

jedemdasseine
4th May 2010, 02:18 AM
Directly or indirectly, the US is bailing out Greece and any other insolvent sovereigns.


AIG is now our national federal business model since we bought it. Might as well insure whole nations now.


AIG, indeed, for it concerns the transition of European Banks from Basel I to Basel II, and in particular, the consequences of this transition on the US dollar. It is my understanding that pursuant to Basel I, which presently is being phased out, European banks’ leverage may not exceed a 12:1 ratio or 8% capitalization, lest banks carry dangerous levels of “capital adequacy risk” (per SIGTARP) and are thereby deemed too risky to clear transactions under agreement. Predictably, under Basel II, capitalization restrictions and requirements have been eased, whereby a bank may now substitute capital against assets with insurance swaps against those respective assets. The primary issuer of these insurance swaps is AIG. I’m simplifying these matters a great deal, but the thrust of the matter is that European banks are now even more over-leveraged than ever, and if one follows the trail of counterparties, the trail ends at the balance sheet of the US Federal Reserve by way of AIG. If I understand the chain of counterparties correctly, and please correct me if I am wrong, then it appears that the US Federal Reserve is indirectly backstopping or underwriting European banks...another twist to Triffin’s Paradox.

Twisted Titan
4th May 2010, 05:37 AM
Dont that just make you feel all warm and fuzzy???

wildcard
4th May 2010, 05:48 AM
Ewww, that gold bar had feingold on it. That could only be worse if it said Pelosi or Foxman on it. :'(

chad
4th May 2010, 06:00 AM
it just means "refined gold" in german. it's not jewish. ;)

wildcard
4th May 2010, 06:13 AM
it just means "refined gold" in german. it's not jewish. ;)


Oh bless you. ;D

jedemdasseine
4th May 2010, 11:42 AM
Directly or indirectly, the US is bailing out Greece and any other insolvent sovereigns.


AIG is now our national federal business model since we bought it. Might as well insure whole nations now.


AIG, indeed, for it concerns the transition of European Banks from Basel I to Basel II, and in particular, the consequences of this transition on the US dollar. It is my understanding that pursuant to Basel I, which presently is being phased out, European banks’ leverage may not exceed a 12:1 ratio or 8% capitalization, lest banks carry dangerous levels of “capital adequacy risk” (per SIGTARP) and are thereby deemed too risky to clear transactions under agreement. Predictably, under Basel II, capitalization restrictions and requirements have been eased, whereby a bank may now substitute capital against assets with insurance swaps against those respective assets. The primary issuer of these insurance swaps is AIG. I’m simplifying these matters a great deal, but the thrust of the matter is that European banks are now even more over-leveraged than ever, and if one follows the trail of counterparties, the trail ends at the balance sheet of the US Federal Reserve by way of AIG. If I understand the chain of counterparties correctly, and please correct me if I am wrong, then it appears that the US Federal Reserve is indirectly backstopping or underwriting European banks...another twist to Triffin’s Paradox.



Addendum: IMF = lots and lots of SDRs, and lots and lots of SDRs = lots and lots of FRNs. :)

sirgonzo420
4th May 2010, 11:48 AM
Addendum: IMF = lots and lots of SDRs, and lots and lots of SDRs = lots and lots of FRNs. :)


lots and lots of FRNs = lots and lots of empty promises

:'(

ximmy
4th May 2010, 12:02 PM
You better believe our government is watching how the common American reacts to government spending and giveaways... they know we are too lethargic to rebel.. so they keep spending and find ways to tax the crap out of the commoners.. Throw in a couple of domestic police abuse stories to scare the sheeple and they stay in line....

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