Nephew with rabies

[Kali]

My wife's nephew in the Philippines was bit by a dog and has rabies...the kid didn't say anything about being bit til 4 days later when he starting having symptoms...he got his first round of shots but he's showing the more serious symptoms now.

I was surprised to learn that according to the CDC once they start showing these symptoms their chance at survival is rare.

Crazy stuff.

Not sure what to do to help except make sure they got the $$$ for the shots.

Any natural remedies or something???

[Ponce]

All that I can tell you is that they hurt like hell......like injecting you with acid.

[sunshine05]

Oh no! I hope he will be okay but I have read that the shots need to be started within 2 days of the bite:(. The only natural remedy that may help is colloidal silver but I don't even see much information on that.

[Black Blade]

Once symptoms appear it is too late. the only people who survived rabies are a couple children in the US who were put into an induced medical coma. Death almost invariably results two to ten days after the first symptoms; the few humans who are known to have survived the disease were all left with severe brain damage, with one recorded exception resulting from implementation of the Milwaukee protocol

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/24/2508

In 2005, American teenager Jeanna Giese survived an infection of rabies unvaccinated. She was placed into an induced coma upon onset of symptoms and given ketamine, midazolam, ribavirin, and amantadine. Her doctors administered treatment based on the hypothesis that detrimental effects of rabies were caused by temporary dysfunctions in the brain and could be avoided by inducing a temporary partial halt in brain function that would protect the brain from damage while giving the immune system time to defeat the virus. After thirty-one days of isolation and seventy-six days of hospitalization, Giese was released from the hospital. She survived with almost no permanent sequelae and as of 2009 was starting her third year of university studies.

Giese's treatment regimen became known as the "Milwaukee protocol", which has since undergone revision (the second version omits the use of ribavirin). There were 2 survivors out of 25 patients treated under the first protocol. A further 10 patients have been treated under the revised protocol and there have been a further 2 survivors. The anesthetic drug ketamine has shown the potential for rabies virus inhibition in rats, and is used as part of the Milwaukee protocol.

On April 10, 2008 in Cali, Colombia, an eleven year-old boy was reported to survive rabies and the induced coma without noticeable brain damage.

[Awoke]

All I can say is that I will pray extremely hard for that child.

[zap]

I am so sorry, I will pray for you and your family, I hope and pray that he will be ok.

[Libertarian_Guard]

My wife's nephew in the Philippines was bit by a dog and has rabies...the kid didn't say anything about being bit til 4 days later when he starting having symptoms...he got his first round of shots but he's showing the more serious symptoms now.

I was surprised to learn that according to the CDC once they start showing these symptoms their chance at survival is rare.

Crazy stuff.

Not sure what to do to help except make sure they got the $$$ for the shots.

Any natural remedies or something???




How old is the kid?

I'll try to get back with you tomorrow night, but this is going to be a tough one!

[Kali]

He's 4 years old.

He's starting to really get bad symptoms...he's trying to bite people and has already bit his mom. Didn't break skin.

Very scared of water.

[Heimdhal]

He's 4 years old.

He's starting to really get bad symptoms...he's trying to bite people and has already bit his mom. Didn't break skin.

Very scared of water.




I wish the best for the little guy, but from the sound of the symptoms thus far, echoing what others have said, it is possibly too late. Rabbies is a nasty thing and modern medicine honestly cant do much about it.

All of us with kids should take this to heart and emphasize to our little ones that they need to tell us right away, even if the dog was just "playing a little rough".

the little guy and your family have our best wishes and thoughts

[Libertarian_Guard]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=hope-for-rabies-victims-unorthodox-coma-therapy-shows-promise

Hope for Rabies Victims: Unorthodox Coma Therapy Shows Promise
First a U.S. girl--and now two South American kids survive onset of the deadly virus

Four years ago, Jeanna Giese, now 19, became the first person to survive rabies without a preventive vaccine. Now, the medical procedure developed for treating Giese may have saved the lives of two children in South America.

Last month, ScientificAmerican.com chronicled Giese's remarkable recovery after she had been infected with the deadly virus. In the absence of the vaccine regime or rabies antibodies, the virus kills by interfering with the brain's ability to regulate crucial body functions, including respiration and heart rate. With little hope for Giese's survival, Rodney Willoughby, an infectious disease specialist at the Children's Hospital of Wisconsin in Milwaukee, induced a coma to protect her brain from viral attack, giving Giese's immune system time to rev up to combat the virus.

The unorthodox treatment—known as the Milwaukee protocol—is now also credited with saving the life of eight year-old Nelsy Gomez, only the second person known to recover from rabies without prophylaxis. Exhibiting symptoms a month after being bitten by a rabid cat, Gomez was transferred from her rural village to the Hospital Universitario del Valle in Cali, Colombia, where infectious disease specialist Yolanda Caicedo initiated the protocol.

Caicedo reports that Gomez appeared to be recovering quickly following two weeks in a medically induced coma. But her immune response was 10 times greater than that of Giese, Caicedo says, causing her brain to swell. Fearing that she may have lasting neurological complications, doctors carefully monitored Gomez; she eventually regained movement in her head, legs and fingers. Unfortunately, doctors were never able to communicate with the young girl, who succumbed to pneumonia (unrelated to the rabies infection) on October 24. Despite the setback, Caicedo has no doubt that the protocol worked to arrest the initial rabies infection.

And last week, another victory for the protocol emerged in Brazil where physicians successfully treated 15-year-old Marciano Menezes da Silva. The teen was bitten by a rabid vampire bat on September 7, and a month later developed symptoms, including tremors, anxiety, agitation and salivation. Infectious disease specialist Gustavo Trindade Henriques Filho administered the Milwaukee protocol to him on October 13 at the Federal University of Pernambuco Oswaldo Cruz Hospital in Recife.

According to an e-mail from Henriques, the coma persisted for two weeks under medical supervision. Although the teen's eyes are open and he moves spontaneously, Henriques writes that Menezes still is on a respirator to help him breathe. Willoughby notes that this is not unusual for a rabies survivor, as the virus fully paralyzes patients requiring extensive rehab to restore use of their muscles.

Although the Menezes's case provides further support for the protocol, Willoughby emphasizes that the teen received prophylactic treatment prior to developing symptoms. Menezes was vaccinated as soon as he was bitten, Henriques says, but notes that he only received four of the five recommended doses before symptoms appeared and was not given rabies antibodies. An injection of synthesized rabies antibodies—or immunoglobulin—is administered to help patients combat the virus while their immune system creates antibodies in response to the vaccine.

"The patient is typical of historical cases of vaccine failures," says Charles Rupprecht, chief of the Rabies Program at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta. Incomplete prophylaxis is believed to induce some immunity in these patients, Rupprecht says, but survivors may develop encephalitis resulting in severe neurological complications. To date, only six patients (including Menezes) for whom the vaccination strategy failed have survived, the first was 6 year-old Matthew Winkler from Ohio, who was bitten by a rabid bat in 1970 and developed symptoms after receiving a full course of the vaccine (prior versions of the rabies vaccine were not as effective as current formulations). Menezes is the first to recover with the help of the Milwaukee Protocol.

Henriques is optimistic about Menezes's future. Doctors are currently weaning the teen off the ventilator, he says, and they are working to control his convulsions. Willoughby warns, however, that Menezes may fare worse than Giese because he received a partial course of the vaccine. The rabies virus itself does not lead to much inflammation, Willoughby says, but the vaccine is engineered to radically increase the inflammatory responses of the body, which can wreak havoc on the brain.

For now, Giese remains the gold standard for recovery from rabies. Although she required a year of extensive rehabilitation to regain her skills and cognitive functions, Giese now drives and studies biology at the Marian University in Fond du Lac, Wisc. She does recognize, however, that effects of her battle linger with her speech a bit slower than before her rabies bout.

Despite the recent successes of the Milwaukee protocol, Rupprecht cautions that "we need to focus more on prevention." The protocol provides hope for patients already infected, he says, but "the odds of coming out without neurological deficits are remote, even with the best care."

[Kali]

I have some great news.

Our nephew is almost back to normal.

We had numerous prayer warriors praying for the kid and a day or so later it was like he snapped out of it.

He quit trying to bite people and is not scared of water anymore...and not acting strangely.

The doctor there said hes lucky to have made it.

I was not there so don't know how bad he had it but after reading that once he had them certain signs his survival was basically zero tells me God intervened.

The whole family knew it was only the Lord that could fix this problem...and He did.

[Neuro]

Wow!!!!!! My first thought when I saw you had posted again on this thread was that the boy had passed away. God had other plans for this life!

[Glass]

Fabulous news. The power of prayer, positive energy, however you call it seems to just work sometimes doesn't it? Still I'm sure he had a lot of good people caring and praying for him so perhaps the odds were in his favour. Rabbies is a nasty beast and those people fought a brave battle. Kudos to them.

[sunshine05]

That is so great to hear Kali! Thank you for the wonderful update:)!

[Bullion_Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2tSlXq2wz4

[Heimdhal]

wow...thats fantastic. He literaly came back from the brink. Something, somewhere definitley stepped in and saved the boy. My heart goes out to the family, I cant even imagine what its like to go through that and I hope I never have to, and thankfully their ordeal seems like it will go no further.

[mtnman]

I have some great news.

Our nephew is almost back to normal.

We had numerous prayer warriors praying for the kid and a day or so later it was like he snapped out of it.

He quit trying to bite people and is not scared of water anymore...and not acting strangely.

The doctor there said hes lucky to have made it.

I was not there so don't know how bad he had it but after reading that once he had them certain signs his survival was basically zero tells me God intervened.

The whole family knew it was only the Lord that could fix this problem...and He did.







Is there a newspaper article about this? Maybe something that quotes the doctor?

[kregener]

God can truly heal...but He ain't doing it through Benny Hinn.

[Brent]

So glad to hear the little guy is doing okay. He apparently has one heck of an immune system.

One question, Was he eating properly while he was showing symptoms or did his body go into a sort of natural fast?

Best of luck with his continued recovery, I don't pray but I will send some nice thoughts his way. ;D

[mtnman]

Call me skeptical but with out some form of proof that any of this happened I'm calling B*ll Sh*t. Rabies kills you dead. No amount of praying is going to stop that. IF by chance this really happened the kid needs to be studied as he may provide another way to fight this virus.

[mick silver]

i have never heard of anyone living that had rabies .................... when there showing signs of the virus

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Kali

Glad to hear he is doing well !!!!

Prayers going out to your family and the little guy .

[Kali]

Call me skeptical but with out some form of proof that any of this happened I'm calling B*ll Sh*t. Rabies kills you dead. No amount of praying is going to stop that. IF by chance this really happened the kid needs to be studied as he may provide another way to fight this virus.

1 prayer can stop it.

And God did heal the kid.

This happened in a very poor area in the Philippines. No TV cameras around to capture it.

If you don't believe it, no sweat...all we care is that the kid is alive...regardless.

[Awoke]

Great news!

[Cebu_4_2]

Excellent news, been watching this thread and wishing the best.

[Twisted Titan]

Wow..........

Im just glad he is still here.


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[Neuro]

It may not have been rabies though... I read up on it and the incubation period is typically 2 to 12 weeks, before symptoms show up, and until then you can treat rabies with injections... Could it have been a case of the parents over interpreting/reacting to the symptoms the child had out of fear?

Anyway it is good the boy is alive and well...

[Kali]

He tested positive for rabies.

[Neuro]

He tested positive for rabies.
Well then he probably was infected, but as I understand it symptoms don't come in the first week from getting bitten... Further biting and being afraid of water does happen among non-rabies infected 4 year old children too...

[RJB]

Good to hear he's doing better.

I don't see anyone trying to make money off this claim, so I'll take you at your word. I can't see a 4 year old faking fear of water. Medical Science doesn't know everything.


If I see an article in Time Magazine about this, then I'll have my doubts. ;D

[Kali]

Well then he probably was infected, but as I understand it symptoms don't come in the first week from getting bitten... Further biting and being afraid of water does happen among non-rabies infected 4 year old children too...


He wasn't *probably* infected, he was infected.

Different sites say different things. Symptoms can show up within a few days starting with flu like symptoms.

There may have been a couple extra days in there as far as when the bite took place as they were taking the word of a 4 yr old. That's a possibility.

[Neuro]

As far as I could tell from my cursory read up there is no conclusive rabies tests in live humans... What tests did he have?

[Kali]

As far as I could tell from my cursory read up there is no conclusive rabies tests in live humans... What tests did he have?


There's several tests they do including on the dog.

They have enough experience there at the rabies clinic to know when its rabies versus you, trying to search for something in Google to prove me wrong.

[Neuro]

As far as I could tell from my cursory read up there is no conclusive rabies tests in live humans... What tests did he have?

There's several tests they do including on the dog.

They have enough experience there at the rabies clinic to know when its rabies versus you, trying to search for something in Google to prove me wrong.

I bet the rabies clinic realized they were wrong in their diagnosis, it would be a world sensation if a boy would recover from rabies. But no one there thought it was news worthy enough to alert a journalist about your nephews remarkable recovery... Understand I don't have any reason to prove you wrong... But most likely your nephew didn't have rabies that went to the brain. And thank god for that!

[Kali]

The interesting thing is that the symptoms they described matched up with what I found online.

I knew they couldn't possibly make that stuff up.

They don't have Google.

BTW, healings like this happen all the time.

The people of the Philippines do believe in miracles and they happen frequently.

Now, if the kid was on his death bed and had really severe symptoms and came back then there might be more attention on this.

I don't know if there is enough money to be made to draw the interest from any big companies who would want this for research info but I do know miracles happen in the Philippines often. I know of a couple other ones ;)