Iran builds nuclear-capable cruise missile able to strike Israel from afar

[greenbear]

http://www.debka.com/article/8776/

DEBKAfile Special Report May 11, 2010, 1:01 PM (GMT+02:00)

Tags: Iranian cruise missile Yair Shamir
Iran's new KH-55 cruise missile

"This is an extremely serious threat to Israel," Yair Shamir, chairman of Israel's Aerospace Industries warned in a lecture, naming the new weapon as the KH-55 cruise missile, based on a model Tehran received from Ukraine in 2006 and upgraded - together with an air-launched version.
"The pace of missile development (in Iran) is much faster than that of the solutions," Shamir said. "The new element is that Iran is already in space" - an intimation that its activities in space were a key element in accelerating Tehran's missile program.

Shamir rarely talks in public on security matters. debkafile's military sources report he apparently found it necessary to speak out in view of the defense minister Ehud Barak's soothing assessments, his efforts to downplay the peril from Tehran and denials that Iran had become an existential threat to Israel.
The defense minister was also challenged by President Shimon Peres who, speaking in Moscow Monday, May 11, cautioned against nonchalance in the face of the threats to destroy Israel, which came mainly from Tehran.
(He also noted that no ruler but Syria's Bashar Assad would try to pretend that missiles for Hizballah were harbingers of peace.)
debkafile's military sources note that Shamir's was the first authoritative voice to verify Iran's possession of a nuclear-capable, long-range-missile capable of striking Israel without leaving its own airspace. The rumors of its acquisition circulating for some years had been treated with some skepticism. Now, Western sources confirm that Ukraine did indeed sell Iran a dozen KH-55 missiles capable of carrying conventional or nuclear warheads, but they are not sure if the warheads were part of the consignment or just the diagrams and instructions on how to fit them.
The Israeli aerospace expert disclosed that Iranian scientists are working on lengthening the cruise missile's range beyond its regular 2.500 kilometers and developing a version for the use of fighter bombers. This would enable Iranian warplanes to shoot missiles against targets not only in Israel but as far away as Central Europe, without leaving their own airspace and risking exposure to American or Israeli air attack.

[I am me, I am free]

"DEBKA" lololololololol

Who actually buys their spew???

[Book]

"DEBKA" lololololololol

Who actually buys their spew???


No sane person...LOL.

:D

[greenbear]

No offense, really, but why don't you grow up? The General Forum is a news board, among other things, and that article is news. What happens in the ME is very important. If you have any interest in having this forum becoming a site to go to for news and analysis you should cut out your attempts to censor thought by your stupid attacks and mindless, mocking posts.

[osoab]

No offense, really, but why don't you grow up? The General Forum is a news board, among other things, and that article is news. What happens in the ME is very important. If you have any interest in having this forum becoming a site to go to for news and analysis you should cut out your attempts to censor thought by your stupid attacks and mindless, mocking posts.


I don't know if I got it right, but I think DEBKA is run by an ex-israeli military officer.

If the above is true, there is a possible conflict of interest.

When I say DEBKA, I immediately thought B.S.

[I am me, I am free]

No offense, really, but why don't you grow up? The General Forum is a news board, among other things, and that article is news. What happens in the ME is very important. If you have any interest in having this forum becoming a site to go to for news and analysis you should cut out your attempts to censor thought by your stupid attacks and mindless, mocking posts.


Yeah, 'Sorcha Faal' posts 'news articles' as well, why don't we include Sorcha Faal as a worthy news source??? lol

DEBKA is an unabashed propaganda organ for the Zionist State of Israel. Everyone knows that.

[Book]

DEBKA is an unabashed propaganda organ for the Zionist State of Israel. Everyone knows that.



Including the poster...lol.

:D

[LuckyStrike]

No offense, really, but why don't you grow up? The General Forum is a news board, among other things, and that article is news.


Actually no it isn't we have a special forum specifically for News. It called News and Current Events. You should check it out.

BTW, more power to Iran. Even though it is a complete farce that they are building nuclear weapons I really wish they would.

[madfranks]

The funny thing is, that most of the real information one can find on the internet is not found from the "mainstream news" sources at all. Yet it is these sources which are much easier to call out as promoting an agenda because they are not mainstream. Everyone promotes an agenda, even members here post stories which fit their agenda. Is it strange that prisonplanet.com and infowars.com specialize in providing news which is clearly geared towards their worldview? You must realize that on countless other forums when someone links to one of those sites they are greeted with the same "lol does anyone actually take Alex Jones seriously?" without actually responding to the news presented. There are plenty of anti-Israel sites providing news which clearly betray their agenda. Should one just laugh them off and discount what they're presenting because he/she disagrees with their worldview?

[LuckyStrike]

The funny thing is, that most of the real information one can find on the internet is not found from the "mainstream news" sources at all. Yet it is these sources which are much easier to call out as promoting an agenda because they are not mainstream. Everyone promotes an agenda, even members here post stories which fit their agenda. Is it strange that prisonplanet.com and infowars.com specialize in providing news which is clearly geared towards their worldview? You must realize that on countless other forums when someone links to one of those sites they are greeted with the same "lol does anyone actually take Alex Jones seriously?" without actually responding to the news presented. There are plenty of anti-Israel sites providing news which clearly betray their agenda. Should one just laugh them off and discount what they're presenting because he/she disagrees with their worldview?


It doesn't bother me at all when someone disagrees with me. However I do get annoyed when you try and give someone your opinion and they just turn their brain off, I really don't see the purpose of being on a forum at all if you think you know everything already.

I have gathered sources FULLY refuting all of this jewish fear mongering towards Iran.

They pull the same scare tactics as they did for Iraq, yet people are to damn stupid to even recall. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

BTW here are some of the articles regarding Iran.

Ron Paul On Iran
http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/10/dr-ron-paul-on-iran.html

Don't Believe The Iran Fearmongering
http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/09/dont-believe-iran-fearmongering.html

Dr. Paul On Iranian Sanctions
http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/12/dr-paul-on-iranian-sanctions-12232009.html

Top Things You Think You Know About Iran, That Aren't True
http://www.truthinourtime.com/2009/10/top-things-you-think-you-know-about.html



Digest those greenbear and get back to me. BTW, since it's my blog I'll see if anyone actually clicks on them so don't try and refute them with out reading them like you have with other articles I've posted.

[greenbear]

If Israel believes, or if they are publicly promoting the idea, that Iran has developed air-cruise missiles that threaten their security then that is news that has implications for the world, and for you and me. There are people on this forum who hold different views on a variety of topics. ZOG as the only and ultimate peril to the earth is not the only viewpoint held by members of this forum. I'm here to both learn and to express my views. My post of this article was only to share breaking news that is relevant. I frequent sites that definitely do not hold my view because I am interested in the information I can gain that I could not get someplace else. If a cyber gang of playground bullies insists on beating on every person who posts what they do not like, from sources that are not approved by them, then this forum will lose members who get tired of the BS and move on to greener pastures. Judging from the behavior of a handful of members here that seems to be their agenda, but that will work against them because they will ultimately be left preaching to the choir.

[kregener]

Debkafile...

And Obama says his healthcare plan is GOOD for us too!

[greenbear]

Next time I'll wait until news hits MSM, just to please the masses.

[Gangsta99]

I knew this was from DEBKA OR Faal. Can always tell by a "news" title. greenbear I don't think it is anything against you, but Faal and DEBKA are not news sources, they are sources of pure bullshiat.

[greenbear]

Guys, I did not post this article because I believe that DEBKA is the true source of all news that's fit to print. I posted this because it's an interesting bit of information and I wanted to see your thoughts about it. If every response is only a statement that DEBKA is just a propaganda arm of ZOG, we aren't getting anywhere. My post is not that I believe DEBKA is the be all and end all of knowledge, my post is that this is what DEBKA said, and what do you think of it? I can't tell you who's telling the truth and who's pulling your chain. That's for you to decide. I'm just letting you know what Debka said.

Let me ask you this, do you believe that Saddam Hussein was a puppet of the US and Israel? Do you believe that Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the US and Israel? I don't know, what do you think? All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says. That your reaction is simply "Oh, that's just DEBKA, they're part of ZOG" tells me that you're not thinking deeply enough and you may be getting played more than you think that I am. Come on guys, lets have some original thinking here. What did they say, what does it mean, why are they saying it? You all know where I'm coming from; I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.

[LuckyStrike]

Guys, I did not post this article because I believe that DEBKA is the true source of all news that's fit to print. I posted this because it's an interesting bit of information and I wanted to see your thoughts about it. If every response is only a statement that DEBKA is just a propaganda arm of ZOG, we aren't getting anywhere. My post is not that I believe DEBKA is the be all and end all of knowledge, my post is that this is what DEBKA said, and what do you think of it? I can't tell you who's telling the truth and who's pulling your chain. That's for you to decide. I'm just letting you know what Debka said.

Let me ask you this, do you believe that Saddam Hussein was a puppet of the US and Israel? Do you believe that Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the US and Israel? I don't know, what do you think? All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says. That your reaction is simply "Oh, that's just DEBKA, they're part of ZOG" tells me that you're not thinking deeply enough and you may be getting played more than you think that I am. Come on guys, lets have some original thinking here. What did they say, what does it mean, why are they saying it? You all know where I'm coming from; I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.



greenbear you have absolutely no desire in the world to know the Truth. Routinely when we get into debates I post videos and articles to refute your claims and as I said when they link to my blog I can see how many people click each link.

It's fine if you don't care to know, but don't act like you do.

[AndreaGail]

Debka.com
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיק דבקה‎) is an Jerusalem-based English language Israeli open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]

The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, "whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse," and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1]

The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.[1]


this site run out of israel randomly starts up in 2000 and straight out of the box "predict" that "al-qaeda" will attach WTC

gee i wonder how they knew that :oo-->

[LuckyStrike]

Debka.com
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיק דבקה‎) is an Jerusalem-based English language Israeli open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]

The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, "whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse," and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1]

The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.[1]


this site run out of israel randomly starts up in 2000 and straight out of the box "predict" that "al-qaeda" will attach WTC

gee i wonder how they knew that :oo-->


LOL, she posted from nizkor the other day as though it was a reliable objective source ;D

I'd love to see greenbears bookmarks

1. John Hagee
2. Hal lindsey
3. Nizkor
4. Debka
5. Christians United For Israel
6. ADL
7. Scofield Study Bible
8. Sarah Palin
9. The Dispensationalist Newsletter
10. Talmud reference manual

[greenbear]

Guys, I did not post this article because I believe that DEBKA is the true source of all news that's fit to print. I posted this because it's an interesting bit of information and I wanted to see your thoughts about it. If every response is only a statement that DEBKA is just a propaganda arm of ZOG, we aren't getting anywhere. My post is not that I believe DEBKA is the be all and end all of knowledge, my post is that this is what DEBKA said, and what do you think of it? I can't tell you who's telling the truth and who's pulling your chain. That's for you to decide. I'm just letting you know what Debka said.

Let me ask you this, do you believe that Saddam Hussein was a puppet of the US and Israel? Do you believe that Ahmadinejad is a puppet of the US and Israel? I don't know, what do you think? All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says. That your reaction is simply "Oh, that's just DEBKA, they're part of ZOG" tells me that you're not thinking deeply enough and you may be getting played more than you think that I am. Come on guys, lets have some original thinking here. What did they say, what does it mean, why are they saying it? You all know where I'm coming from; I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.



greenbear you have absolutely no desire in the world to know the Truth. Routinely when we get into debates I post videos and articles to refute your claims and as I said when they link to my blog I can see how many people click each link.

It's fine if you don't care to know, but don't act like you do.


More personal attacks and diversions from the real issues. I watched your Ron Paul video, and read one of your articles. I also looked at as many slideshows of your teacher's website you posted on the CI thread as I could. Once I realized the basis of CI beliefs is British Israelism there was no point in continuing because everything else is based upon a false premise. It is very telling that all you have are personal attacks. It doesn't need to be that way.

[greenbear]

Debka.com
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיק דבקה‎) is an Jerusalem-based English language Israeli open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]

The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, "whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse," and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1]

The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.[1]


this site run out of israel randomly starts up in 2000 and straight out of the box "predict" that "al-qaeda" will attach WTC

gee i wonder how they knew that :oo-->


LOL, she posted from nizkor the other day as though it was a reliable objective source ;D

I'd love to see greenbears bookmarks

1. John Hagee
2. Hal lindsey
3. Nizkor
4. Debka
5. Christians United For Israel
6. ADL
7. Scofield Study Bible
8. Sarah Palin
9. The Dispensationalist Newsletter
10. Talmud reference manual



You claim to have my number but you must be very lazy because you have not studied your "enemy". Read my posts. The only ones I have anything at all in common with in your list are #2 Hal Lindsey, and #7 Dispensational, Pre-millennail, Pre-tribulational, I'm not familiar with #9 but I'll check it out. The rest just shows me your complete inability to categorize me. Do you really think I'm a neo-con? Wow! You're trying to put a square peg into a round hole. If you care about gaining understanding, you could start with reading my posts. If you don't have either the time or the desire, just admit to yourself that you are ignorant, and leave others alone to discuss ideas.

[LuckyStrike]

Debka.com
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיק דבקה‎) is an Jerusalem-based English language Israeli open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]

The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."

Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, "whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse," and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1]

The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.[1]


this site run out of israel randomly starts up in 2000 and straight out of the box "predict" that "al-qaeda" will attach WTC

gee i wonder how they knew that :oo-->


LOL, she posted from nizkor the other day as though it was a reliable objective source ;D

I'd love to see greenbears bookmarks

1. John Hagee
2. Hal lindsey
3. Nizkor
4. Debka
5. Christians United For Israel
6. ADL
7. Scofield Study Bible
8. Sarah Palin
9. The Dispensationalist Newsletter
10. Talmud reference manual



You claim to have my number but you must be very lazy because you have not studied your "enemy". Read my posts. The only ones I have anything at all in common with in your list are #2 Hal Lindsey, and #7 Dispensational, Pre-millennail, Pre-tribulational, I'm not familiar with #9 but I'll check it out. The rest just shows me your complete inability to categorize me. Do you really think I'm a neo-con? Wow! You're trying to put a square peg into a round hole. If you care about gaining understanding, you could start with reading my posts. If you don't have either the time or the desire, just admit to yourself that you are ignorant, and leave others alone to discuss ideas.


Some of those I made up for effect, AFAIK there is no such things as 9 or 10.

Do I think you are a neo con?

Yes most definitly here is why.

You support the state of israel
You spread israeli made propaganda against Iran
You "love jews"
You are a Christian zionist
You believe jews are God's chosen

So yes whether you consider yourself a neo con or not, you certainly have a lot in common with Lindsey Graham, Ben Stein, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Kristol etc.

[30pcsAg]

...All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says...I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.



Greenbear, is this an accurate description of the people and land you call Israel today?

Ezekial 38
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

If the anti-Christ will fool the multitudes to believe it is Christ himself, do you think people can be fooled into believing that the anti-Christ in Jerusalem today are the Israelites that GOD favors in this chapter?

[LuckyStrike]

...All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says...I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.



Greenbear, is this an accurate description of the people and land you call Israel today?

Ezekial 38
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

If the anti-Christ will fool the multitudes to believe it is Christ himself, do you think people can be fooled into believing that the anti-Christ in Jerusalem today are the Israelites that GOD favors in this chapter?



Let us examine, what would be the only nation up until that time to not have walled cities?

Hmmmmm. Where was it that the 12 tribes were reunited?

Where is this new Jerusalem?

JerUSAlem.


Interesting.

[LuckyStrike]

...All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says...I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.



Greenbear, is this an accurate description of the people and land you call Israel today?

Ezekial 38
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

If the anti-Christ will fool the multitudes to believe it is Christ himself, do you think people can be fooled into believing that the anti-Christ in Jerusalem today are the Israelites that GOD favors in this chapter?



If you haven't seen this thread it might interest you.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/50-bible-reasons-why-the-jews-are-not-israel/

The jews fulfill none of these prophecies laid out in the scriptures yet they are still somehow "God's chosen" simply amazing. My question is if you aren't following the Bible what are you following?

[Book]

If you care about gaining understanding, you could start with reading my posts.


http://scottklarr.com/media/atheism/bibleIsRight.png

:oo-->

[30pcsAg]

Let us examine, what would be the only nation up until that time to not have walled cities? I don't know which time "that" is.

Hmmmmm. Where was it that the 12 tribes were reunited? I don't know.

Where is this new Jerusalem? I don't know.

JerUSAlem. Hehe, yes that bold is interesting:-)


Interesting.


I do wonder what Jerusalem in Palestine was like in the early 1900's say before 1948.

[30pcsAg]

If you haven't seen this thread it might interest you.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/religion-and-philosophy/50-bible-reasons-why-the-jews-are-not-israel/

The jews fulfill none of these prophecies laid out in the scriptures yet they are still somehow "God's chosen" simply amazing. My question is if you aren't following the Bible what are you following?


Thanks Nordic, I have seen that thread. I also remember that thread from GIM. TonyG made one of my all time favorite posts in that thread. I would link it here but that and thousands more wonderful posts were destroyed. Shame!

All I can really say hear about the "chosen" is I believe in the end faith trumps blood.

[greenbear]

You are boring me. There's too much going on now to bother. Good luck to you.

[30pcsAg]

You are boring me. There's too much going on now to bother. Good luck to you.


Wow are you kidding me? You complain about people attacking debka and challenge for discussion using the "KJB". So I ask you a very pertinent question on topic about the very chapter you quoted, and this is your reply? Say it aint so!




...All I can tell you is this, I know for a fact that the KJB is the truth. And the KJB tells me in Ezekiel 38 that a confederation of nations which includes Persia, will march against Israel at some time in the future. That's the only thing that I know for sure, is what the Bible says... I believe the Bible. I'm interested in what you think this means, not what you think about DEBKA.




Greenbear, is this an accurate description of the people and land you call Israel today?

Ezekial 38
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

If the anti-Christ will fool the multitudes to believe it is Christ himself, do you think people can be fooled into believing that the anti-Christ in Jerusalem today are the Israelites that GOD favors in this chapter?

[greenbear]

I suppose that I can post any information from any source I find, as long as the content is within the rules of this forum, and with the consent of the forum leadership. There is official censorship, and there is also intimidation through mob rule. This forum has such a mob that I believe is composed of one or two agents, and the rest are born dupes.

The truth is that the real leaders of this nation are Nazi Satanists since the OSS imported German Nazi scientists into the US after WWII. Perhaps from before that time. Anybody with half a brain can see the PTB are fomenting race war at a fast and furious rate. Divide and conquer is the game.

You shills and dupes are to them nothing more than expendable pawns, and they will use you up and spit you out, and then you will get what you deserve for your breathtaking stupidity and your hatred of human-beings that are made in the image of God. Your destruction is assured if you continue on the course you are on.

[dysgenic]

Greenbear what in the world has gotten into you? From the perspective of a fellow Christian you strike me as hyper sensitive and itching for a fight lately. When someone posts an article, that does not necessarily mean that they endorse the validity of the article's truth value. Ergo, if someone makes fun of the source it's not an attempt at censorship and it's not a personal attack. You got offended at something that wasn't offensive, imo.

dys





I suppose that I can post any information from any source I find, as long as the content is within the rules of this forum, and with the consent of the forum leadership. There is official censorship, and there is also intimidation through mob rule. This forum has such a mob that I believe is composed of one or two agents, and the rest are born dupes.

The truth is that the real leaders of this nation are Nazi Satanists since the OSS imported German Nazi scientists into the US after WWII. Perhaps from before that time. Anybody with half a brain can see the PTB are fomenting race war at a fast and furious rate. Divide and conquer is the game.

You shills and dupes are to them nothing more than expendable pawns, and they will use you up and spit you out, and then you will get what you deserve for your breathtaking stupidity and your hatred of human-beings that are made in the image of God. Your destruction is assured if you continue on the course you are on.

[Hellsbane]

IF the story is true, that represents a hugh leap in technology for Iran.

[steveoc]

In other news - Iran has recently aquired no less than 40,000 precision guided strike craft capable of delivering weapons grade anthrax, nerve gas, and bubonic plague into Israeli civilian settlements

We must act against this aggression immediately, or the whole world could be lost.

http://fleetowner.com/news/fleet_iran_buys_volvo/


Iran buys more Volvo trucks

Oct 5, 2001 12:00 PM, Tim Parry, web editor
Volvo Trucks has received an order for a total of 600 Volvo FH12 trucks from Iran. It is the second order for the Volvo FH12 from Iran – in May the company received an initial order for 500 trucks.

The trucks will be supplied as completely knocked-down (CKD) kits, and will be assembled in Teheran.

"The order shows that customers in this region are prepared to invest in an advanced new model such as the Volvo FH12,” said Roar Isaksen, senior vp and manager of the international division of Volvo Trucks. “It also represents a significant shift in technology for the country's transport industry. We look forward to further boosting our position on this market."

The sale results from a cooperative agreement Volvo signed earlier this year with Saipa Diesel in Iran for the manufacture of heavy trucks. The goal is to produce 1,500 units a year.

Since the early 1970s, Volvo Trucks has supplied more than 40,000 heavy trucks to Iran.


Each one of these 40,000 Volvo trucks is capable of travelling from Iran all the way to into Israel. Using a kamakazi driver, the truck could be delivered with exact precision to any street address in Israel .... including heavily populated civilian areas.

Meeting in secret with our resident defence expert ... who must remain anonymous for security reasons .... we discussed the possibility of how one of these trucks could be used to transport weapons of mass destruction.

After weeks of study of the specifications of the truck, including detailed analysis and peer review from our experts in the fields of engineering, logistics and defence ... we grimly concluded the following :
- That any single one of these trucks can transport several tonnes of weapons grade anthrax.
- That any single one of these trucks can transport enormous quantities of concentrated nerve gas in liquid form.
- That any single one of these trucks can transport pallet loads of rotten meat infected with botulism and bubonic plague.

The implications of this are awful in the extreme ... we calculated that six million could die !

It is imperative that the whole world get together immediately - for the sake of those six million - and put an end to this blatant threat before it is too late. We must strike soon, or it may be too late for all of us !
Never Again !!

[dysgenic]

Personally, I'm actually surprised that there has yet to be a false flag attack for the purpose of justifying a preemptive strike on Iran. The Iran propoganda has been going on for years- ever since they announced plans to open an Iranian oil bourse. I never thought that public opinion could be swayed on this issue as just a couple of years ago public sentiment was vociferously opposed to war with Iran. But that is changing. This propaganda thing is like advertising- it takes time and repitition.

dys

[gunDriller]

this is similar to the propaganda i've heard at some Christian churches - that the "Palestinians are firing 60 or 70 rockets a day at Israeli civilians".

[greenbear]

Here's some more links for ya, a day later than the first one I supplied. Hope these all meet your source-link sniff-test. (I cannot believe you guys set yourselves up for this):

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-05-11/iran-test-fires-mid-range-missile-in-war-games-update1-.html
Adds strategic importance of Straits in third paragraph.)

By Ali Sheikholeslami

May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Iran’s military test-fired what it described as a “mid-range cruise missile” during war games in the Persian Gulf today.

The land-based weapon is intended to hit naval targets and was fired from a mobile launcher, the state-run Mehr news agency said. The exercises began May 5 in the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman, during which it also tested anti-submarine torpedoes.

The Strait of Hormuz, which lies between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, is a transit route for 20 percent of the world’s oil, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. The exercises come as the U.S. pushes for a fourth set of United Nations sanctions against Iran over the country’s nuclear program and follow three days of war games by the separate naval forces of the Revolutionary Guard Corps last month.

Iran has hailed recent military advances as proof that it is technologically self-sufficient, even as it remains under three sets of United Nations sanctions for refusing to scale back its nuclear program.

In February and March, the Persian Gulf nation fired a domestically-built rocket into space carrying a satellite, announced plans to launch the first domestically made naval destroyer and fighter squadron, and said it will test a 2,000- pound bomb.

The New York Times reported on Jan. 31 that President Barack Obama is accelerating the deployment of U.S. defenses against possible Iranian missile attacks in the Persian Gulf.


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/05/12/Iran-tests-cruise-missiles-in-war-games/UPI-15451273683065/

[greenbear]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2010/05/12/Iran-tests-cruise-missiles-in-war-games/UPI-15451273683065/

TEHRAN, May 12 (UPI) -- Iranian forces fired two medium-range cruise missiles from the southern coast of Iran during war games launched last week, military officials said.

Gen. Ataollah Salehi, the commander of the Iranian army, said the two surface-to-sea missiles were launched at moving targets in the waters off the southern coast of Iran, the semiofficial Fars News Agency reports.

Salehi added that the missiles can be used against moving and stationary naval targets. They are equipped with an enhanced radar system and are able to evade conventional radars because of its low flight altitude and narrow diameter.

The commander said Iranian forces have been keeping pace with U.S. military and political efforts in many arenas.

Iranian forces announced Monday that they chased a U.S. reconnaissance drone out of the area that they said was observing the naval war games.

Iran tested a wide array of military and electronic war equipment during war games launched May 5. Iranian military commanders say their forces are operating in more than 96,000 square miles in the Strait of Hormuz and the northern Indian Ocean.

[greenbear]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=aS_nm95k026U&pid=20601087

Iran Test Fires ‘Mid-Range’ Missile in War Games (Update1)
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By Ali Sheikholeslami

May 11 (Bloomberg) -- Iran’s military test-fired what it described as a “mid-range cruise missile” during war games in the Persian Gulf today.

The land-based weapon is intended to hit naval targets and was fired from a mobile launcher, the state-run Mehr news agency said. The exercises began May 5 in the Strait of Hormuz and the Gulf of Oman, during which it also tested anti-submarine torpedoes.

The Strait of Hormuz, which lies between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman, is a transit route for 20 percent of the world’s oil, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. The exercises come as the U.S. pushes for a fourth set of United Nations sanctions against Iran over the country’s nuclear program and follow three days of war games by the separate naval forces of the Revolutionary Guard Corps last month.

Iran has hailed recent military advances as proof that it is technologically self-sufficient, even as it remains under three sets of United Nations sanctions for refusing to scale back its nuclear program.

In February and March, the Persian Gulf nation fired a domestically-built rocket into space carrying a satellite, announced plans to launch the first domestically made naval destroyer and fighter squadron, and said it will test a 2,000- pound bomb.

The New York Times reported on Jan. 31 that President Barack Obama is accelerating the deployment of U.S. defenses against possible Iranian missile attacks in the Persian Gulf.

[greenbear]

maybe you won't like this link either, lol...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/the_new_middle_east_peril.html

In an unwanted "first," Israel turns out to be the first country in history to face a massed attack by intermediate-range ballistic missiles (IRBMs). Ballistic missiles are launched upward at an angle, like mortars, and reach high altitude before coming down in a parabolic or orbital trajectory. They therefore pose a different problem for anti-missile defenses, because they come in very fast, accelerated by gravity. IRBMs are harder to maneuver because of their high speed and momentum, but Israel also must plan for highly maneuverable cruise missiles, the modern version of Hitler's World War II V1-type robot planes, filled with high explosive and incendiaries.

Israel's enemies can't compete with its air force, so they have shifted to massed ranks of computer-controlled missiles. Recent news reports indicate that Syria (the recipient of yet another love and peace outreach by Obama) has now sent SCUD-type missiles to Hezb'allah, which currently controls Lebanon. In Gaza, Hamas is rumored to have long-range missiles as well, and a state-of-the-art anti-ship cruise missile was used in the Hezb'allah war of 2008 to blast an Israeli navy frigate. Thus, Israel is surrounded by hostile nations with ballistic and cruise missiles, including Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza. SCUDs carry a half-ton of high explosive. In another year or two, the Iranians will have a nuclear device, and even now they could launch dirty nukes, which use conventional explosives with radioactive metal.

Mahmoud Ahmadijenad is the aggressive chess player behind all these missiles surrounding Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. Iranian strategy has been to move its missile assets closer and closer to its enemies, including Israel, the American military in the Gulf and Iraq, and the Sunni Arab Gulf states. By 2015, Iran is predicted to have ICBMs that can reach Europe and the United States in less than a half-hour. On automatic standby, those missiles reduce the warning period to such short durations that no human being can make a rational decision. Automatic missiles require automatic defenses, but that also raises the danger of automatic escalation.

Israel is only the most obvious domino. The Tehran regime has had its eyes on Saudi oil and the sacred cities of Mecca and Medina for thirty years. There is no limit to their ambitions for conquest. That's what they say in so many words.

The Europeans are getting really scared, as they should be. Sunni Arab nations have been anxious about Iranian imperialism for years. The Russians are playing it both ways, but they just put down a massive Islamist revolt in Chechnya with extreme violence, they recently suffered a major terror attack in Moscow, and they have fought Muslim invaders for more than five hundred years. The Russian Orthodox Church (of which Putin is supposed to be member), has been shaped by 1,300 years of struggle with Islam, ever since the Byzantine Empire. Moscow was historically the successor capital to Byzantium after the latter was destroyed by Muslim invaders. Russians have the fear of Muslim jihad in their genes.

Only Obama's America isn't worried. In fact, Obama has mentally flipped the source of danger, as Leftists always do, by blaming the victim. Israel has been told, in effect, that the United States will not help defend it unless it surrenders its defensive buffer area on the West Bank and the Golan Heights. That means that Israel's civilian population will be within reach, not only of IRBMs and cruise missiles, but of more primitive rockets and mortars. Hamas and Hezb'allah, not to mention Iran and Syria, have never left any doubt of their intentions once they have the Israelis at their mercy.

All this puts Israel in its greatest danger in many decades. If Israel conducts a preemptive attack on Iranian nukes, it can do so only in the very short term, a matter of weeks. The IDF does not have the capability for long, sustained air attack. Only the United States has that ability. When Iran inevitably attempts to retaliate against a preemptive attack, only the United States has the anti-missile defenses in the Gulf to stop a massive Iranian missile attack. That is why Ahmadinejad has positioned IRBMs in Syria, Lebanon, and perhaps Gaza -- to penetrate any defenses against its own missile launches.

The United States is the only power capable of defending the crucial oil supply to Europe and other nations, and it is the only power able to defend its allies in the Gulf and Israel. Unfortunately, Obama, the most radical Leftist president ever, is in control of American power.

If Israel doesn't preempt Iranian nukes, it makes itself vulnerable to the true weapon of genocide.

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

There are two plausible options for Israel. One is to wait and hope for the best while Iran develops nuclear weapons. Maybe Obama will be out of power in 2012, and a saner president will be in charge. Perhaps NATO can expand to include Israel and other sane nations in the Middle East, like Jordan and Egypt. But NATO crucially depends upon America's word to come to the defense of endangered allies. American guarantees were credible for forty years of the Cold War. They are no longer credible today, given Obama's policy decision never to use nuclear weapons, even in self-defense, against conventional attack. America's credible threat to use nuclear weapons was the only thing that stopped Soviet tank divisions from overrunning Europe. Obama has now officially abolished that defense.

The second option is for Israel to go nuclear as soon as Iran does. That is what happened with India and Pakistan. As soon as the Pakis exploded their first bomb, so did India, but they did not attack each other. That has led to a classic nuclear standoff in Southeast Asia. Nuclear standoff also led to the U.S.-Soviet equilibrium in the Cold War.

Obama will blame everybody but himself, because that's what he does. It won't make any difference. By now everybody sees that as a predictable cost of dealing with Obama. Nations don't surrender to curry temporary favor with an irrational leader, even of the United States.

In the upshot, the most plausible outcome at present is a nuclearization of the Middle East. The Sunni Arabs can't afford to be left behind if Iran gets a bomb. They will import nukes from Pakistan, right off the shelf. The Saudis are said to have helped finance Pakistani nuclear weapons so that they can import them on demand.

Obama's current brilliant brainstorm is to denuclearize the world. It's "trust me," and he really seems to think that totalitarian madcap regimes like North Korea and Iran will go along. That hasn't worked in the last sixty years of the nuclear age, and peace-loving surrender to aggressive nations just looks like surrender, period.

Tehran has a world-conquering ideology, as do the Saudis. They think Allah wants them to control the world. Even Obama may not win against Allah in the eyes of fanatics.

If nuclear standoff is the logical outcome, Israel would be foolish indeed to surrender its buffer territories against conventional aggression. Netanyahu's best strategy might be just to dig in and prepare for every contingency. Obama will threaten and twist arms, the way he does. He will bluff and intimidate, the way he does. Israel must not give in.

[greenbear]

Oh, and here's a Chinese biased source:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-04/25/c_13266000.htm

IRGC to test new types of Iran-made Missiles:Iranian commander
English.news.cn 2010-04-25 06:08:47 FeedbackPrintRSS

TEHRAN, April 24 (Xinhua)-- A senior Iranian military commander announced Saturday that the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) plans to test fire 4 new types of Iran-made coast-to-sea and sea- to-sea missiles in the next stage of the massive war games underway in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, the semi- official Fars news agency reported.

"Four types of naval missiles have been selected and will be fired tomorrow," IRGC Navy Commander Rear Admiral Morteza Saffari was quoted by Fars as saying.

Various kinds of short-range missiles were also fired during the military maneuvers which will see its fourth stage on Sunday, according to Fars.

The commander further pointed to Iran's recently made short- range Nasr cruise missiles as among those to be test fired during the next stage of the war games.

IRGC staged a series of war games in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, codenamed as the Great Messenger 5, to boost vigilance and combat preparedness of its naval forces.

"The country's defensive experts have enhanced such tactical capabilities as the range and power of these missiles. And we will witness the actual capabilities of these missiles in operation," Saffari stated.

The Iranian Defense Ministry started mass-production of Nasr 1 (Victory 1) cruise missiles in March.

"Nasr 1 missile is a cruise missile capable of destroying up to 3,000-ton vessels," Iran's Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said at a ceremony to inaugurate Nasr 1 production line in March.

Vahidi also said Nasr 1 is a short-range coast-to-sea and sea- to-sea missile which could be fired from coasts and all types of vessels, it will soon be equipped with the capability to be fired from helicopters and submarines.

[I am me, I am free]

Are you suggesting that any country which refuses to get into bed with the money mafia should be subject to unilateral disarmament simply because some very small group of religious zealots (relative to the total current population on the surface of this planet) have allowed their imaginations run wild imaging that those who don't kowtow to the money powers are somehow 'out to get them'?

All this FU CKING noise about Iran, yet the 900# gorilla in the room is the Zionist State of Israel having hundreds of nukes complete with assorted delivery systems and not being a signatory of the NPT (while Iran is a signatory and is in compliance with the NPT).

The Zionists are so far out of line here it is the definitive 'chutzpah'.

[greenbear]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.

[I am me, I am free]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.

[Ash_Williams]

That amendment can't mean a whole lot because we sent 3 billion last year to pakistan too and they are completely open about having nukes.

[Book]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Y8bSLayJ9co/SY25c_dWwtI/AAAAAAAAAKs/lJYCYXhsaEo/s320/chris_crocker_leave_britney_alone.jpg

Leave Israel ALONE!

:oo-->

[greenbear]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.


You changed the subject. Another dishonorable tactic. I posted news before it hit the MSM, you all pitched a fit. Done with you.

[kregener]

DEBKA may not be just a propaganda arm of ZOG, but they are just down the hall from Mossad.

And it is VERY RARE that anything Debka comes up with hits the MSM.

[I am me, I am free]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.


You changed the subject. Another dishonorable tactic. I posted news before it hit the MSM, you all pitched a fit. Done with you.


The subject is IsraHELL making unfounded allegations while those Zionists sit on their 200+ nukes loaded onto Jericho 3 ICBMs all pointed at Europe.

[MAGNES]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.


Not to inflame the situation, but Greenbear does not
know most of us IMO, we are good people who believe
in justice , one word to sum it all up, justice .

I Am Me is SukhoiFan , very well researched, good guy.

Israel is only subject to the laws that it agrees too. ROFL !
They own the US and corrupt everything making all laws
a joke.

Greenbear, people here know what debka is.

[greenbear]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.


Not to inflame the situation, but Greenbear does not
know most of us IMO, we are good people who believe
in justice , one word to sum it all up, justice .

I Am Me is SukhoiFan , very well researched, good guy.

Israel is only subject to the laws that it agrees too. ROFL !
They own the US and corrupt everything making all laws
a joke.

Greenbear, people here know what debka is.


Magnes, with all due respect, some of you are so fanatical, you can't even see straight. If the words "Jew', or "Israel" are mentioned, you start freaking out.

You seem to believe that you are the only group of people in the history of the world who understand anything having to do with history, religion, race, global conspiracies, or any topic in the universe, including pure drinking water. Your views are not the only views held by people on this forum, yet some of you try to intimidate others from expressing alternate opinions about any imaginable topic.

Again, not you, but others here are sore because I started a thread in the Religion Section on Christian Identity showing the bizarre (in my opinion) religious beliefs that underpin this fanatical hatred toward Jews. I do not believe that your "camp" holds a balanced view, the CI contingent here borrows verses from the Bible to buttress their white supremacist, anti-Semitic claptrap yet, they admit they do not actually believe the Bible is the word of God. Or it's corrupted, just like the Muslims say, because they have to say that because their doctrines are devastated if they accept the Bible as it is, which Christians do accept. Or they want to add to it here, and take away from it there.

I have no idea why I'm here, I must thrive on verbal abuse and personal insults, and wild, unfounded lies about what I believe, and the twisting of my words. But I'm here. Got it? I post what I want when I want. If you guys can't handle news or facts that don't fit into your paradigm then that's tough. I posted an article that reported stuff nobody here knew about. From now on I'll try to preface my posts with "Hey, what do you guys think about this?" That's about as far as I'm willing to go to try to make you guys happy.

[Horn]

Well eventually, in the end, there will have to be a sacrifice, No? :dunno


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2CaNEB2Cgo

[SHTF2010]

when i ( rarely ) posted an article from Debka in my GIM1 thread " The Iran Attack Plan "

i would preface it with something like " and the war drums keep banging "

Debka is just another source of zionist BS propaganda


and lets take a look at another zionist source - nizkor.org

i believe nizkor is owned or operated by GIM1 troll known as " beaker "

from GoDaddy

Domain ID:D1320787-LROR
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Created On:18-Jul-1996 04:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:06-Dec-2008 00:30:14 UTC
Expiration Date:17-Jul-2013 04:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:tuVuTLsbvYRNrcVQ
Registrant Name:N/A N/A
Registrant Organization:B'nai Brith Canada
Registrant Street1:15 Hove Street
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Toronto
Registrant State/Province:Ontario
Registrant Postal Code:M3H4Y8
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Phone:+1.4166336224
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:+1.4166302159
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:darcy@vex.net
Admin ID:tup91ijftZoVz3U0
Admin Name:N/A N/A
Admin Organization:B'nai Brith Canada
Admin Street1:15 Hove Street
Admin Street2:
Admin Street3:
Admin City:Toronto
Admin State/Province:Ontario
Admin Postal Code:M3H4Y8
Admin Country:CA
Admin Phone:+1.4166336224
Admin Phone Ext.:
Admin FAX:+1.4166302159
Admin FAX Ext.:
Admin Email:jshapiro@bnaibrith.ca
Tech ID:tugckuTs2w0wfZu7


B'nai Brith even has a national office on Parliment Hill, Ottawa

[Neuro]

The nuclear elephant in the room in the middle east is Israel. And Israel owns DEBKA, and DEBKA are infamous for posting slanted articles about the threat Iran constitutes regarding nuclear issues... Not an impartial source at all. However I do think it is a good idea to post their articles here, no reason to be rude about it, good to discuss it, that is all!

[I am me, I am free]

What I am suggesting is that if you have any honor whatsoever you will all retract your diatribes about a source that I used for BREAKING NEWS. I will not hold my breath.


Here's some FU CKING BREAKING NEWS for you -

There is an American law on the books called the Symington Amendment, which forbids the US Government from sending aid to any country which has nuclear weapons unless it is a signatory to the NNPT, and allows inspections of its nuclear facilities. Israel, which does have nuclear weapons but refuses to sign the NNPT and allow inspections, receives 3 billion dollars of US aid annually. This aid is absolutely illegal under the Symington Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symington_Amendment

Your accusation that I'm without honor under the circumstances is a real hoot.


Not to inflame the situation, but Greenbear does not
know most of us IMO, we are good people who believe
in justice , one word to sum it all up, justice .

I Am Me is SukhoiFan , very well researched, good guy.

Israel is only subject to the laws that it agrees too. ROFL !
They own the US and corrupt everything making all laws
a joke.

Greenbear, people here know what debka is.


Magnes, with all due respect, some of you are so fanatical, you can't even see straight. If the words "Jew', or "Israel" are mentioned, you start freaking out.

You seem to believe that you are the only group of people in the history of the world who understand anything having to do with history, religion, race, global conspiracies, or any topic in the universe, including pure drinking water. Your views are not the only views held by people on this forum, yet some of you try to intimidate others from expressing alternate opinions about any imaginable topic.

Again, not you, but others here are sore because I started a thread in the Religion Section on Christian Identity showing the bizarre (in my opinion) religious beliefs that underpin this fanatical hatred toward Jews. I do not believe that your "camp" holds a balanced view, the CI contingent here borrows verses from the Bible to buttress their white supremacist, anti-Semitic claptrap yet, they admit they do not actually believe the Bible is the word of God. Or it's corrupted, just like the Muslims say, because they have to say that because their doctrines are devastated if they accept the Bible as it is, which Christians do accept. Or they want to add to it here, and take away from it there.

I have no idea why I'm here, I must thrive on verbal abuse and personal insults, and wild, unfounded lies about what I believe, and the twisting of my words. But I'm here. Got it? I post what I want when I want. If you guys can't handle news or facts that don't fit into your paradigm then that's tough. I posted an article that reported stuff nobody here knew about. From now on I'll try to preface my posts with "Hey, what do you guys think about this?" That's about as far as I'm willing to go to try to make you guys happy.


greenbear, you will never see me saying anything casting a bad light on people of the Jewish faith. Now outing criminal Zionist behavior is another matter entirely, and DEBKA is a front for criminal Zionist behavior.