Anyone interested in forming their own micronation?

[I am me, I am free]

anyone?

[sirgonzo420]

I consider myself a de facto* micronation, if not de jure... ;D

*(being that in my own little world, I don't let the government control my behavior. I do my best to ignore them and not let them have any say in my life.)

[Glass]

Quite a few people in Australia have done this. I'm itching to but I don't have any land. Interested in investigating just claiming some land for myself. Haven't had time yet. Holidays coming soon.

I think this is where freeman on the land comes from. It is where someone does not have private property to delcare their micronation.

[Ponce]

They say that no man is an island........well, Ponce is king of 1.6 acres of land and people know better than to just walk in into my kingdoom.

[Horn]

My nation would be happy to join as protectorate.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/video-updates/21528-two-year-anniversary-trailer-kickassia

Couldn't resist...

[Ironfield]

I am me, I am free

You got anything fleshed out for this idea or are you just garnering interest in the project before developing it further?

-Ironfield

[I am me, I am free]

I am me, I am free

You got anything fleshed out for this idea or are you just garnering interest in the project before developing it further?

-Ironfield



Testing the waters to see if among the independently minded here at GSUS are interested enough to from a League of Micromations, a means of sticking together and making our voices heard.

IMO, the only hope for the world is for the micronations to rise up - afterall, we surround them.

[Ifyouseekay]

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[I am me, I am free]

anyone?


OMG! I was about to post this exact senitment yesterday (along with pictures from http://www.privateislandsonline.com/)

I actually started typing up the thread and simply got busy and killed it.

I'm there. When do you want to start?




First, each interested, earnest party must secure their own territory. It doesn't have to be much area, the main thing being that title has been perfected (no superior claims). Secondarily, but equally important, your state MUST assert it's neutrality under the Laws of War (so as to not be mistaken for a belligerent).

I suggest everyone familiar themselves with the appropriate international law, e.g. the Montevideo Convention (in particular Articles 1 and 3), the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (especially Article 1 - this is crucial with respect to the right of self-determination), Hague V (especially Articles 1 and 10), as well as Jefferson's Declaration of Independence (where the right of self-determination is clearly asserted and under what conditions it can be confidently exercised).

Once one wraps one's head around the matter (of the unalienable right of unfettered self-determination) then the path becomes very clear.

[I am me, I am free]

FWIW, for the past 10+ years I have been maintaining a diplomatic mission for the eccelesiastical state of the Kingdom of the Power of the Powers. I'm domiciled on the territory the mission occupies (which in reality is wherever I am at the moment).

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine --Exodus 19:5

Hey, the Source made the Proclamation, it's in the Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible is universally recognized as the Law of Nations going back well into antiquity), I'm just trying to live up to it.

[madfranks]

Kind of like this??? ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

[I am me, I am free]

Kind of like this??? ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand


That's one good example, however there are many ways to get there, one is only limited by one's imagination (we are talking self-determination here and international law supporting this is pretty clear despite the protestations of the collectivists [pirates] who don't want anyone leaving the ship [of state] they've hijacked).

I would like to see a virtual community started for those with established states and those interested in establishing their own microstate/micronation. The more who seize the initiative in this matter the more recognition realized. We cannot and will not be deprived of our natural, Creator-endowed, unalienable right to self-determination. The VERY MOMENT one allows anyone else to determine their status or fate that party is no longer anything but someone else's bitch (property).

[I am me, I am free]

Consider the 'overlay' the 'zip codes' scheme represents. The 'zip codes' scheme is one means as to how the federal govt. extends its (supposed) jurisdiction over the land mass of the several states.

Now consider that other 'overlays' can be constructed, overlays of microstates.

[k-os]

OMG! I was about to post this exact senitment yesterday (along with pictures from http://www.privateislandsonline.com/)



Thanks, Ifyouseekay. I spent a good hour fantasizing on that site . . . little islands in the Caribbean off the coast of Nicaragua for $65K. That would be so awesome.

[Quantum]

I am already a citizen of the most powerful nation in the universe, the Kingdom of Heaven; Head of State and Government, Jesus Christ.

[I am me, I am free]

More info on the emergence of micronations - http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/fed-up-with-your-country-create-your-own-661273.html

[I am me, I am free]

I am already a citizen of the most powerful nation in the universe, the Kingdom of Heaven; Head of State and Government, Jesus Christ.


If that is truly the case, have you set up any sort of diplomatic mission? Have you noticed the de facto governments of same?

[I am me, I am free]

I'd say we're way overdue in having some competition regarding one's political/jural affiliations, i.e. a say, choice in governance.

http://ampedstatus.com/is-it-time-for-law-abiding-american-citizens-to-stop-paying-their-taxes-and-start-a-new-government

This has given me pause. Not much discussion on this thread about the advantages of seizing one's own ground. I'm beginning to see more and more positive things which one could reasonably do as a result of forming their own state.

[Dave Thomas]

What large swath of land or tiny island can we buy to implement this plan?

How do you declare sovereignty on land that's not even entirely yours?

Wasn't this what the Civil war was fought over?

[I am me, I am free]

What large swath of land or tiny island can we buy to implement this plan?

How do you declare sovereignty on land that's not even entirely yours?

Wasn't this what the Civil war was fought over?


Since I'm under the authority of The Kingdom of the Power of the Powers I have not been concerned about the title of any land where the mission is located since the entire earth is ultimately the property of The Source - and therefore I've not done much research into securing title of private property in the form of land. However from what I gather, a land patent is the route one needs to secure title. In Texas, there's also a provision (and form) for fee simple title in the Property Code at 5.022.

[Dave Thomas]

But if the state is the one who makes all the "laws" how are we going to expect them to abide by them once we get one over on them?

Something tells me they'll amend the law to declare our tiny nation illegitimate.

[I am me, I am free]

But if the state is the one who makes all the "laws" how are we going to expect them to abide by them once we get one over on them?

Something tells me they'll amend the law to declare our tiny nation illegitimate.




You need to know what to do when there's a conflict of law. The adversary is bluffing with their illusion of authority. Only those giving consent can be governed. Silence is acceptance (consent).

Take note of what jetgraphics has been posting.

Break out of the illusion. Check out what Marc Stevens is doing with his No State Project.

[Dave Thomas]

OK, I'll take a look. It just seems so lopsided on the face of it however.

[I am me, I am free]

OK, I'll take a look. It just seems so lopsided on the face of it however.




If you're saying lopsided in flavor of exercising the unalienable right of self-determination, you're correct.

[Dave Thomas]

Well uh yeah, the state is the only one that is "allowed" to initiate violence.

[I am me, I am free]

Well uh yeah, the state is the only one that is "allowed" to initiate violence.



Not by the Laws of War, in particular Article 10 of Hague V, for one.

If you allow anyone to determine your status for you, then you fully deserve what you have coming and are in absolutely no position to complain about anything.

If you're ever going to break out of the illusion you have to comprehend that the adversary is bluffing.

[Dave Thomas]

But whilst I'm bluffing he might curb stomp my ass. It's a very delicate game apparently.

[I am me, I am free]

But whilst I'm bluffing he might curb stomp my ass. It's a very delicate game apparently.



Well of course it is. That's what makes it so exciting.

[Dave Thomas]

But in reality, the average Joe pulling you over in a traffic stop has no concept of the laws of the Hague, or even common law. How will he know when to stop taking
orders from the state and start treating you as a sovereign citizen?

[I am me, I am free]

But in reality, the average Joe pulling you over in a traffic stop has no concept of the laws of the Hague, or even common law. How will he know when to stop taking
orders from the state and start treating you as a sovereign citizen?



Well, then I suggest you learn how to talk to your public servant, Johnny Law. There are things you can say which will cause them to start backpedaling pdq, you just need to have your affairs all squared away. This certainly includes absolute ownership of your conveyance, cause if you got any contracts with the State then you have no remedy available to you - do what The Man says as he sodomizes you and STFU (it's so much 'safer' that way).

Ever heard of the term 'verbal judo'? That's the technique the adversary teaches its security guards/debt collection agents to harass the citizenry. Gotta be expecting that and know how to deal with it.

[Dave Thomas]

I don't know if all my affairs are in order, but I do own my own vehicle outright. Or at least I think I do. I payed the Toyota motor corporation off. The registration is out by over a year, and I haven't gotten it inspected since, well 2009.

I'm unsure about the contracts part. I've put various stickers on my vehicle. How can I stop doing this and become invisible to the state? Since they constantly require so much compliance.

Sukhoi, I'm not f*cking with you here, I just want to know.

OK You've added verbal judo. That's cool.

[I am me, I am free]

I don't know if all my affairs are in order, but I do own my own vehicle outright. Or at least I think I do. I payed the Toyota motor corporation off. The registration is out by over a year, and I haven't gotten it inspected since, well 2009.

I'm unsure about the contracts part. I've put various stickers on my vehicle. How can I stop doing this and become invisible to the state? Since they constantly require so much compliance.

Sukhoi, I'm not f*cking with you here, I just want to know.




If you have any identification document issued by the State, then that makes you a 'resident'. Contract 1

'mandatory financial responsibility' for *your* 'motor vehicle' Contract 2 (a DRIVER LICENSE makes for yet another 'commercial agreement' aka UCCspeak for contract)

CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for a 'motor vehicle' issued in YOUR NAME Contract 3 (refer to Texas Transportation Code Section 501.004 - do you still think you own that automobile?)

there are other contracts which could be in place, but you get the picture

[Dave Thomas]

I don't know if all my affairs are in order, but I do own my own vehicle outright. Or at least I think I do. I payed the Toyota motor corporation off. The registration is out by over a year, and I haven't gotten it inspected since, well 2009.

I'm unsure about the contracts part. I've put various stickers on my vehicle. How can I stop doing this and become invisible to the state? Since they constantly require so much compliance.

Sukhoi, I'm not f*cking with you here, I just want to know.






If you have any identification document issued by the State, then that makes you a 'resident'. Contract 1

'mandatory financial responsibility' for *your* 'motor vehicle' Contract 2 (a DRIVER LICENSE makes for yet another 'commercial agreement' aka UCCspeak for contract)

CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for a 'motor vehicle' issued in YOUR NAME Contract 3 (refer to Texas Transportation Code Section 501.004 - do you still think you own that automobile?)

there are other contracts which could be in place, but you get the picture


Am I a resident of the state? or the Federal government? where do these laws start, and where can I find out more about applying them?

[sirgonzo420]

I don't know if all my affairs are in order, but I do own my own vehicle outright. Or at least I think I do. I payed the Toyota motor corporation off. The registration is out by over a year, and I haven't gotten it inspected since, well 2009.

I'm unsure about the contracts part. I've put various stickers on my vehicle. How can I stop doing this and become invisible to the state? Since they constantly require so much compliance.

Sukhoi, I'm not f*cking with you here, I just want to know.






If you have any identification document issued by the State, then that makes you a 'resident'. Contract 1

'mandatory financial responsibility' for *your* 'motor vehicle' Contract 2 (a DRIVER LICENSE makes for yet another 'commercial agreement' aka UCCspeak for contract)

CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for a 'motor vehicle' issued in YOUR NAME Contract 3 (refer to Texas Transportation Code Section 501.004 - do you still think you own that automobile?)

there are other contracts which could be in place, but you get the picture


Am I a resident of the state? or the Federal government? where do these laws start, and where can I find out more about applying them?




"U.S. citizens" are federal citizens, and are citizens (and residents) of the State in which they reside.

In my understanding, when this Union began, it began as a Union of States (Nations). Your nationality was with the State you were born in (New Yorker, Texan, etc). When the civil war/14th amendment came along, the nationalities of the People were shat on by the federal citizenship that was foisted upon them (which gave Congress control over them). Now people believe the federal gov't to be their nation

Since the 14th Amendment, people are "U.S. citizens" by default, and thus are robbed of their unalienable God-given rights (until they figure out for themselves how to secure and defend them).

"The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance."

[Dave Thomas]

So how do I know when my rights are state violated, or federally violated?

Which law did I break?

[Quantum]

I am already a citizen of the most powerful nation in the universe, the Kingdom of Heaven; Head of State and Government, Jesus Christ.


If that is truly the case, have you set up any sort of diplomatic mission? Have you noticed the de facto governments of same?


The Devil and his governments of the Earth (including the United States Government) do not recognize the authority of the Kingdom of Heaven.

[I am me, I am free]

I don't know if all my affairs are in order, but I do own my own vehicle outright. Or at least I think I do. I payed the Toyota motor corporation off. The registration is out by over a year, and I haven't gotten it inspected since, well 2009.

I'm unsure about the contracts part. I've put various stickers on my vehicle. How can I stop doing this and become invisible to the state? Since they constantly require so much compliance.

Sukhoi, I'm not f*cking with you here, I just want to know.






If you have any identification document issued by the State, then that makes you a 'resident'. Contract 1

'mandatory financial responsibility' for *your* 'motor vehicle' Contract 2 (a DRIVER LICENSE makes for yet another 'commercial agreement' aka UCCspeak for contract)

CERTIFICATE OF TITLE for a 'motor vehicle' issued in YOUR NAME Contract 3 (refer to Texas Transportation Code Section 501.004 - do you still think you own that automobile?)

there are other contracts which could be in place, but you get the picture


Am I a resident of the state? or the Federal government? where do these laws start, and where can I find out more about applying them?




Dude, you HAVE to know who you are, where you originated, where you are, where you're headed, what you'd doing here, etc. - this is the essence of self-determination, at least imo. ANY TIME you allow someone else to make these sort of determinations for you, then you are SCREWED.

Due to the nature of self-determination, there is no 'one size fits all', you have to find your own way. If you start posing the questions (to yourself) and then start your own due diligence, you'll find one question/answer lets to another.

[I am me, I am free]

I am already a citizen of the most powerful nation in the universe, the Kingdom of Heaven; Head of State and Government, Jesus Christ.


If that is truly the case, have you set up any sort of diplomatic mission? Have you noticed the de facto governments of same?


The Devil and his governments of the Earth (including the United States Government) do not recognize the authority of the Kingdom of Heaven.


If that's your perception, then that's your reality.

Fact of the matter is, when it gets down to it one is dealing directly with humans, NOT legal fictions.

[I am me, I am free]

So how do I know when my rights are state violated, or federally violated?

Which law did I break?


Question for you: What law are you referring to and exactly how did you become subject to it? (i.e. the essential nature of the matter)