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Ponce
13th May 2010, 11:08 AM
Editorial: The next 2,000-page bill
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTERStory Highlights
Senate banking regulation bill will increase government data collection on you.

Big Brother wants to watch you more closely. Especially how you spend your money.

His latest snooping plan comes from provisions in the banking bill being debated in the Senate. The bill is being pushed by Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking Committee. Among other things, the bill is supposed to alert regulators to hazards in the industry to prevent another financial meltdown like the one that started in September 2008, and to make it easier to spot rip-off artists like Bernard Madoff.


In this handout photo provided by CBS, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) appears on "Face The Nation" on May 9, 2010 in Washington, DC. Dodd discussed the latest developments with finance reform and the Wall Street "Flash Crash" with CBS' Bob Schieffer. (Photo by Chris Usher/CBS via Getty Images)ADVERTISEMENT More from Opinion
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The bill sets up two new supersnooping federal agencies to collect data on ordinary Americans:

•The Office of Financial Research. This supposedly would predict risk in the system by collecting massive amounts of new financial data, such as patterns of credit card use.

•The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. It would collect data, especially on consumer transactions.

The data are supposed to be "scrubbed" of individual identifiers, so your privacy would be protected. But that might not work, Mark Calabria told us; the director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute formerly was a member of the senior professional staff of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs.

"If you can link the data to courthouse records of housing sales," he said, then anyone can find data on others. "Much of this goes beyond what banks do now" to keep data. Under the new law, the government would detail "your charges at Macy's and car payments. It would be fairly detailed information."

Another problem, he added, is that the law "is extremely vague and empowering of the regulators. You as a consumer will have no opportunity to opt out. They'll be collecting, anyway, and you won't even know."

He noted laws on the books made illegal what Bernard Madoff did in his massive Ponzi scheme; and that the Securities and Exchange Commission repeatedly had been tipped off to Madoff, yet did nothing. So, no new laws are needed, just enforcement of existing fraud laws.



We would add that Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, warned in the early 2000s that the financial boom to a great extent was caused by the Federal Reserve keeping interest rates near zero, while printing too much money, which goosed the housing boom and made a bust inevitable. Yet the Fed, Congress and the White House refused to heed those warnings.

Giving more snooping powers to a government that failed to act in the past, despite many warnings at all levels, is not the answer. Mr. Calabria said the bill could grow to near 2,000 pages before it's passed in a final form. So, like the 2,400-page Obamacare bill, it's another legislative monstrosity that no one, even those who write it, will be able to understand.

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/data-248115-financial-bill.html

BabushkaLady
13th May 2010, 12:51 PM
They just aren't going to give up! This is "Know Your Customer" on steroids.

Link to Article (http://www.banktech.com/risk-management/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RTHBCFNWNRETNQE1GHPSK H4ATMY32JVN?articleID=16401323&_requestid=123746)

Until they get what they finally want--a cashless society, I can only question why anyone would run their life on plastic.

Thank you Ponce for the heads-up.


EDIT: Changed long link to named link to prevent horizontal scrolling. -Gaillo

Book
13th May 2010, 12:56 PM
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/bernard-madoff-portrait.jpg

They still "can't" find the missing Madoff $65 Billion...lol.

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DMac
13th May 2010, 01:03 PM
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/bernard-madoff-portrait.jpg

They still "can't" find the missing Madoff $65 Billion...lol.

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Exactly. But have no fear Mr. and Mrs. Mom-N-Dad Inc, your financial transactions WILL be documented in triplicate with the IRS.

Ponce
13th May 2010, 01:07 PM
Like I wrote long ago....."The final solution will be a "Debit-Credit Card" where everything that you earn goes there and everything that you spend will come from there, eventually as soon as you get your implant it will come and go from there."

BabushkaLady
13th May 2010, 01:15 PM
I agree, Ponce. That will be their goal. Look out for the pesky self-employed creative types that don't "get a paycheck". :o Ultimately it will revert back to less commerce but more bartering!

Quantum
13th May 2010, 03:08 PM
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/bernard-madoff-portrait.jpg

They still "can't" find the missing Madoff $65 Billion...lol.

:oo-->


http://www.bankisrael.gov.il/firsteng.htm

bonaparte
13th May 2010, 07:23 PM
There will always be some form of cash, government issued or not. How else is one go buy crack or pay a prostitute?

mick silver
13th May 2010, 07:33 PM
i seen today that company here move there money off shore and pay no taxes it was like 60 billion and there coming for the little fish

1970 Silver Art
13th May 2010, 07:52 PM
They just aren't going to give up! This is "Know Your Customer" on steroids.

Link to Article (http://www.banktech.com/risk-management/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=RTHBCFNWNRETNQE1GHPSK H4ATMY32JVN?articleID=16401323&_requestid=123746)

Until they get what they finally want--a cashless society, I can only question why anyone would run their life on plastic.

Thank you Ponce for the heads-up.


EDIT: Changed long link to named link to prevent horizontal scrolling. -Gaillo


Yeah a cashless society will happen. The PTB will push it down our throats but not all at once. They will do it a little bit at a time. Paying with cash is the best method to avoid electronic tracking but I am sure in the future that they limit places where cash can be used. I could be wrong on all of this but I doubt it.

Ponce
13th May 2010, 08:42 PM
Mr. Art...........I say........people will still trade in cash till such a time that the cash hits the bank AND THEN it will be taken away.......the thing to do is to deal among ourselves or................print our own paper money which is not against the law, this is about the only way that we can keep the ball rolling.

Trinity
13th May 2010, 08:53 PM
This might be what our Gold and Silver will be really for. The ability to do confidential transactions with like minded people who don't want to be electronically tracked. Of course those who have lost their Gold and Silver in boating accidents (like me) will not have this option.

I am me, I am free
13th May 2010, 08:55 PM
There will always be some form of cash, government issued or not. How else is one go buy crack or pay a prostitute?



Right. As if going 'cashless' is going to shut down the world's oldest profession. lol

1970 Silver Art
13th May 2010, 09:00 PM
This might be what our Gold and Silver will be really for. The ability to do confidential transactions with like minded people who don't want to be electronically tracked. Of course those who have lost their Gold and Silver in boating accidents (like me) will not have this option.


If you have some good quality scuba gear, then you might be able to get that option back if you are willing to spend a lot of time at the bottom of the lake. ;D Just make sure that Big Brother does not watch you go into the lake. ;D I always knew that boats were bad for a person's REAL wealth and that is why I avoided taking my PMs on a boat. ;D

Ponce
13th May 2010, 10:03 PM
I am free........in Cuba one of the ladies would go out with you for a pair of jeans, who says that money is evertything?