I Want Anarchy In My Life Time Not Capitalism

[singular_me]

Just came across this on another forum. The thread is very long but if you wish to read several takes on anarchism, please go to:
http://www.futurehi.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=487

As I consider myself a minarchist at this stage (full anarchism too far fetched), I dont believe we can defeat the NWO with a revolution anymore but a drastic ideoglogical change... I dont agree 100% with the author but it is refreshing to read something different.


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ONE DAY CAPITALISM WILL END – SO YOU BETTER START GETTING READY NOW – LIVING AFTER CAPITALISM

Notifying humanity which is stuck deep in agony and frustration as a result of a prolonged sub-existence under global capitalist domination and conditioning. The masses are dependant, weak and severely exploited, incapable yet of freeing themselves from this monster of capital, law and order. Humanity cannot yet liberate itself from the yoke of authority (the rich) and the state. Capitalism is a fascist system of power and control by the rich of the poor and all the means for its hegemony are legitimate and practiced.

People everywhere are in the same sinking drunken boat symbolizing the utter fall of capitalist social relations and the creation of anarchic social relations without any ownership of the social means of production and the natural resources.

The start of anarchy at the end of capital will be a new and a first start for humanity to exist in what remains in liberty and happiness. Capitalism is reaching it final crises, its panicking and is hitting everywhere but no avail, it is a bit too little too late. The revolutionary resistance is wining everywhere and nearly all of the time. This is a sign for the dawn of anarchy and living in equality.

Capitalism is in crises and so is humanity – the anarchists are doing their best but it seems to be not enough to bring about the revolution – so what is to be done? Conscious individuals and groups, in different places and circumstances, simultaneously moving within rebelliousness and in full emancipation. Emancipation is knowing the truth and understanding it consciously whilst rebelliousness is the total negation of slave-feud-prol-class history.

The future belongs to freedom, freedom from capitalism and its classes, freedom from authority and subjugation, i.e., an anarchic society based on material equality and individual liberty. Develop higher the human conscious towards a better world and a better humanity. You can not be free alone, you need the rest for this and the rest needs you as well – this is the social revolution that is taken place now underneath capitalism and above it.

A different revolution to take us to a different space and time called anarchy. A place where conflicts are resolved before they happen and where antagonism vanishes before it appears.
Physical equality leads to total liberty, i.e., real anarchy in a real world, anti-capitalist relations in a complete equality situation.
1) Communism arising from below as opposed to communism imposed by force by the state – anarcho-communism is against authoritarian communism.
2) Anarchy is for anti-capitalist, anti-state, anti-authority – anarchy is permanent freedom.
3) Individualism is for the personal guarantees of a permanent liberty, objective and subjective.

Anarchic anti-empire – Anarchic anti-neoconservatives – Anarchic anti-religion – The anarchic positive – Capitalism destroys life and nature and is the sole cause of violence and discrimination. Capitalism kills all and everything, what about you, is it killing you too, slowly but surely, in the name of progress and profit. Is it killing the people alive and is poisoning the surrounding in every conceivable form and shape, at home and in work – enslaved for the system “forever”.

The Hate of Capitalism

Why so many people hate Capitalism, because it causes them so much misery, hardship and pain, every minute of every day so many individuals suffer everywhere all over the planet and for a very long time. Discussing and interpreting the different historical manifestos of different periods of class struggles is not enough and brings not the revolution any nearer. Posting constantly about the differences and similarities in the anarchic movement or trying to disapprove anarcho-capitalism and all the negotiations about the various anarcho-political organizations is fruitless and brings not the revolution any closer. This is all too late and too little; we are beyond words and arguments, we are at the stage of permanent conscious metamorphosis, from the low to the higher, from the simple to the complex and vice versa.

Whether things existed before or after Capitalism is not relevant at all to what we want to achieve, i.e., total anarchy without any residues from the ugly past. Whether Marxism is correct or not is not important and just causes the good people to split into hostile camps.

What we want is a united theory of revolution, a revolution that goes beyond armed struggle and pseudo-peaceful reformation. The state and capital must go and be dismantled immediately. That will be also the end to hierarchy and with it goes all its accompanied authority. What will remain are a people living in abundance, harmony and festivity.

This system must go as soon as possible, it causes too much suffering and agony to billions of people on earth; it has to be eliminated and destroyed before it utterly destroys us first. Capitalism and it states must be destroyed at the nearest time possible so we could rescue and save humanity from further butchering and devastation, we will take humanity to the road of pleasure and liberation and finally reach a society of equals and the free.

All the argumentation about the differences of communism, socialism, the withering away of the state, proletarian state, all this is designed for one purpose alone: ideological recruitment. All this must be avoided and instead invest energy in directly communicating with the people in every mean available, anarchists must relate to people experiences in the now and here and offer an immediate solution before the revolution. Communicating with people everywhere and in every place, through what is written, seen, heard and spoken and always connected to its anarcho-theoretical equivalence.

Being knowledgeable and clever or well educated is not enough, what we need really is more personal courage more social daring, to fasten and accelerate the process of emancipation and material liberation. Anarchists must live by deeds and actions, fearless but careful, real anarchists move and change thousands of individual’s everyday, because they are exemplarily in practicing what they say and write.

The theory of revolutionary change and liberation, the theory of anarcho-emancipation, the theory of being happy without oppressing or killing the other, this is what is all about. A revolution without manuscripts and blueprints, without leaders of any sort, we us the people leading ourselves to a better future according to our own will and desire and not according to some foreign investor. We are beyond onto-epistemological confusion and corruption, the world is in paralyses and is in complete stasis. Lets push it forward, beyond the limits of Marxism and science, beyond Bakunin and his friends, it is time to break and cut loose from all that was written up until now and start afresh and anew stage for a further development and a critical advancement to a more humane and happier future. Otherwise many of you will remain behind the momentum still dwelling deeper in the mud of capital circulation, in fear, in poverty and class-horror.

Come to anarchy without politics and ideology, come to anarchy without an ego and a trumpet, come as you are free and uncorrupt, as everyone should be too, so you could contribute your part in the creative process of self and others liberation. To free ourselves from our daily misery, anguish and alienation, why let the rich get richer and the rest get poorer, why allow them to dominate and exploit us, let’s fight back and take what is ours. Break the limits, break the system from in and out, from below and from above, shorten their staying time to zero. Set yourself free from the chains of property and modern enslavement and we will liberate ourselves together as it has never been done before, with a pluralistic singularity. The rest will join us soon in a movement of individual and social liberation from money and their owners. Will move on the path of anarchic equity and personal freedom – here the revolution starts. what have you to lose but your chains laid down to you by the system, what have you to lose but your virtual inter-cage cellular pseudo-communication, hanging desperately between your credit cards and your habits of consumption and all this of course is only in accordance to your earnings i.e., wage/income/salary/job for the mob and then what? Then back to your computer to spell out your frustration and boredom. Pasting the quotation of the ones before, hoping for some analysis and assuming that we don’t know what it is all about, is naivety on your behalf, so wake up.

The true anarchist always and courageously speaks the truth except to authority, because he doesn’t want to get killed, so in face of authority he is underground. She/he lives according to anarchic theory and practice, by avoiding the law the anarchist prepares the ground of insurrection and upheaval. We don’t have to sit in jail to make a revolution, we can make it to be beyond the reach of the longest arm, and you can bring down the system without being arrested. Most people want to be free and happy but they don’t know how achieve this; we will help them find the way to everyone’s freedom and happiness. We will show them where the right knowledge and practice to be found, we will give them the revolutionary tools of liberations and the anarchic means of self-emancipation and self-liberation.

We don’t want to be rich we want to be anarchists in an anarchic society, we don’t want to succeed within the capitalist system we want to destroy it all together for the rescue and benefit of us and of humanity. We don’t want to exploit or oppress anyone, all we want is to live free of work, religion and authority, we want a life without money and classes, without the weak and the strong, life is not a jungle and if so is capitalism then I am Tarzan.

We don’t need your pity bourgeois attitudes, we don’t need your shop-keeper mentality, what we need is a revolutionary person that fears no one and nothing, all carriers are for the distorted and desperate lower middle-class, trying so hard to improve their dull condition, known also as ambition or as the American dream of equal collapse. Anarchist chose the simplest and cheapest ways to live as not to require a lot of money, from there they bring about havoc to the system and bring nearer the day of liberation and self-determination. From their humble places they launch their onslaught on capitalism and its states, and by the demolishing of both of them we bring about their full destruction and its disappearance for ever.

The Future is Ours Anarchic

You don’t have to go far to know that capitalism is tragic for most of humanity. It is just enough to look at your own personal life and my own to realize that capitalism is life and planet destroyer.
Because of a prolonged oppression, poverty and enslavement, most people have never experienced in their lives any freedom or choice, they never new the meaning of pleasure and creativity, they where always severely deprived of all the good things in life. They don’t know what it means to be materially secure, or that one can live if circumstances allow, an interesting and satisfying lives. All this is beyond them and beyond their reach, what they are left with is hunger and disease.

Most people don’t know the meaning of free choice and free will, they where never given the chance, always in poverty and depravity they know only one thing, that they suffer and that the rich always wallow in corruption and in luxury. Humanity is in misery for many centuries and now it is the time to change all this ‘permanence’ and turn it into a full blown anarchic revolution in the coming future.

We must return to humanity its long lost dignity, there is enough for everyone and plenty, no excuses and apologies can change the facts that billions of people survive and barely exist in a downtrodden subjective reality and unbearable misery. This explains clearly why is the politico-economical world situation is like this – the most inhuman and brutal.
Who can dismantle capitalism and how? The answer is really simple; the anarchists will dismantle the capitalist structure and replace it with an anarchist society brought about by an anti-national anarchic revolution. The sooner the capitalist system is dismantled is the better for all even for the rich although they don’t know it. The sooner capitalism goes as a result of the anti-capitalist social revolution the sooner humanity will start tasting the never ending spring of freedom and discover for the first time in human history the real meaning of life, pleasure and creation.
A mass revolution, beyond borders and nations, beyond classes and countries, a social revolution that will definitely and once and for all put an end to this capital geo-demographic mayhem. All poverty and all wars are the result of political economy of wealth and control, all human misery and suffering also all the violence are the direct result of political economy and its representatives, all is because of economical laws of the masters of capital.

Once we de-economize society and abolish capital and politics we shell enter into a higher a stage of canceling all money and the private ownership of the means of social production. Capitalism negatively affects the inner self of every individual; the rate of degradation of each is according to the actual material objective condition of the subject. Capitalism is the latest form of slavery and it must be abolished, before we are abolished.

This imposed modern universal slavery will implode one day soon, because of the deteriorating pressure of the last threshold.
A major rebellion will take place against this condition of oppression and quickly turning into an anarchic social revolution sweeping with it the unwanted remains of the previous era and creating for the first in human history a genuine anarchic society that guarantees the well-being and the freedom of all everywhere and all of time.

Our selves are constructed and made on the major of oppression and poverty we endure, our behavior and personalities are founded on the major of our enslavement to the system and its leaders and on the major of our resistance to it all.

The more rebellious we are the less we fear the brutality of capitalism and its executing arms. The more revolutionary we become the less time will remain for the nation-state capitalism and the less time will remain for its hegemony. The more we fight theoretically and practically against discrimination and exploitation, the sooner will our freedom be achieved and our livelihood guaranteed.

http://www.futurehi.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=487

[Horn]

The true anarchist always and courageously speaks the truth except to authority, because he doesn’t want to get killed, so in face of authority he is underground. She/he lives according to anarchic theory and practice, by avoiding the law the anarchist prepares the ground of insurrection and upheaval.

This part bears witness to..and translation 8)

Today's anarchists are yesterday's constitutionalists, seeing that option no longer available, preparations are commenced.

As the U.S. "Beacon of Freedom" fascist symphonies beat onward.

I forget the lyrics to this song, but they always stuck to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WdYt9VkVek

God Bless, and Goodnight.

[mick silver]

well said ..............................

[Ares]

Horn-

When a man lies, he murders some part of the world.

These are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives.

All this I cannot bear to witness any longer.

Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation take me home?


Good song, always liked that one.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Lets name Anarchist states in today's world. Somalia, Mexico is close. Afghanistan. Salvador is close.

[Gknowmx]

Lets name Anarchist states in today's world. Somalia, Mexico is close. Afghanistan. Salvador is close.


Good list

[mick silver]

there citys in the usa that are real close to anarchist ... we dont need to look around the world it here

[singular_me]

Anarchy cannot work out because the majority is fearful when it comes down to maximizing freedom and free will.... freedom/freewill cannot be coerced in any way. That is why we can never implemented it, its delusional in sense that its enforcement is impossible

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Anerchy cannot work out because the majority is fearful when it comes down to maximizing freedom and free will.... freedom/freewill cannot coerced in any way. That is why we cannot implement it, its delusionjal.




Not to be a smart alec but I do believe what you are talking about is not so much anarchy as utopia. Anarchy is not some mysterious system that has never before been implemented. The "dark ages" in Europe were essentially anarchistic. Anarchy continued in the far northern nations of Europe well past the 10th century. Anarchy exists today in a pure state in Somalia and Afghanistan. Well, right now there is government in Afghanistan, but it is someone else's, dropping bombs. In the absence of government in the classical sense you get gangs or militias. Some group asserts authority one way or the other.

[singular_me]

are you talking of chaos or anarchy?

Destructive chaos is what happens when ppl dont have enough knowledge and are peniless

anarchy demands a lot of intelligence and to be financially self-sustainable.

anarchy is constructive chaos if I can put it this way.

It is not the ideology the problem, but possessing a good amount of wisdom

of course we are far from there. I dont deny that.

[Horn]

Anarchy is more of an acquired state then aspired to state, which seems a natural transition.

One man's Utopia is anothers Wild West.

[k-os]

Anarchy cannot work out because the majority is fearful when it comes down to maximizing freedom and free will....


I agree with this statement. Many people truly enjoy being told what to do. It simplifies their lives - not having to make choices. I know (and even love) some people who are like this. I have a friend who agonizes over the smallest decisions (where to grab a beer on Friday), and you don't even want to see this person when a major life changing decision is on the line. These people are the majority, I believe, and would at least find it uncomfortable, and at most hate absolute freedom.

[Book]

I agree with this statement. Many people truly enjoy being told what to do. It simplifies their lives - not having to make choices.



Indecisive or just plain stupid?

:)

[k-os]

I agree with this statement. Many people truly enjoy being told what to do. It simplifies their lives - not having to make choices.



Indecisive or just plain stupid?


Probably some of each, and some that are both. Regardless, these people make up the majority of the population.

[Book]

Regardless, these people make up the majority of the population.



Agreed. Kinda scary to ponder this truth. Maybe why we log on to GSUS to reality-test with one another.

:)

[Horn]

Maybe why we log on to GSUS to reality-test with one another.



Oh boy, that's a keeper for later usage right there... :sun:

[TPTB]

There were an estimated 60 or more saloons and whorehouses in Aspen Colorado during the Silver boom of the late 1800's.

Was this laizzez-faire capitalism or was it anarchy? :oo-->

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

are you talking of chaos or anarchy?

Destructive chaos is what happens when ppl dont have enough knowledge and are peniless

anarchy demands a lot of intelligence and be financially self-sustainable.

anarchy is constructive chaos if I can put it this way.

It is not the ideology the problem, but possessing a good amount of wisdom

of course we are far from there. I dont deny that.


I'm not talking chaos. Maybe in the case of Somalia but not Afghanistan where tribal law rather than government rules. A state of anarchy is simply a state without a formal government. Scandinavia, around the period the Sagas cover say 800 to 1200, were anarchistic in a farmer's republic that in some ways are attractive, altho I imagine life was pretty harsh.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

Anarchy is more of an acquired state then aspired to state, which seems a natural transition.

One man's Utopia is anothers Wild West.


There was limited government in the wild west. The pioneers on the frontier lived anarchism tho.

[Book]

http://www.treehugger.com/republicans-science.JPG

Chaos AND unconstitutional Anarchy.

:oo-->

[Horn]

The people themselves actually make a pretty efficient police force themselves here in San Jose CR.

Though most of their time is spent behind bars. ;D

My Utopia, razor wire and a guard shack at the end of every street.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

The people themselves actually make a pretty efficient police force themselves here in San Jose CR.

Though most of their time is spent behind bars. ;D

My Utopia, razor wire and a guard shack at the end of every street.




Taking the national security state to its logical conclusion.

[singular_me]

A state of anarchy is simply a state without a formal government.

now that I think of it, one anarchy that is rampant, iis that from the TOP, which makes the rules for itself... so it seems that we cannot escape anarchy, .

so there are two forms of anarchy: Either from the populace or from the rulers.

So I have to correct my statement above, somehow. It is not so much delusional after all. :box

LOL, yet the vaste majority is scared off when they hear the word "anarchists"...

end of digression - cynical to say the least

But back to square one.... we have to look at the amount of violence to see whether, it is a positive or negative form of anarchy.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

A state of anarchy is simply a state without a formal government.

now that I think of it, one anarchy that is rampant, iis that from the TOP, which makes the rules for itself... so it seems that we cannot escape anarchy, .

so there are two forms of anarchy: Either from the populace or from the rulers.

So I have to correct my statement above, somehow. It is not so much delusional after all. :box

LOL, yet the vaste majority is scared off when they hear the word "anarchists"...

end of digression - cynical to say the least

But back to square one.... we have to look at the amount of violence to see whether, it is a positive or negative form of anarchy.


In the 19th century anarchists had the same reputation as our Ayrab terrorists have today, but nowadays anarchists are associated with wild hairdoos, the circle A, and punk rock. It doesn't carry a lot of meaning for people, but what meaning it has is negative in the peeubic mind.

[Black Blade]

Anarchy is nice as long as you have the requisite amount of backing and fire-power for the conditions.

http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/b5b16c14af2e113f9c72757e7fdb9bcccfdcb92a.pjpg

[singular_me]

In the 19th century anarchists had the same reputation as our Ayrab terrorists have today, but nowadays anarchists are associated with wild hairdoos, the circle A, and punk rock. It doesn't carry a lot of meaning for people, but what meaning it has is negative in the peeubic mind.


I agree, I allowed myself being cynical... of course it is NOT the kind of anarchy I meant. Anarchy could/should be very peacful if the people understood the root cause of tyranny.. if they did, gangs and mobs wouldnt exist either.

there is till a long way to go. This said, whatever ruling parties we have, they will tend to be much or the same. Any form of coercion can only increase over time because it is a wrong premise. Peace is not about enforcement but an higher IQ and wisdom.

[Neuro]

I think anarchy will happen, after about 90% of the population has died /gotten themselves killed... The survivors will not be the ones who takes orders from authorities, a new breed of humans!!!

[singular_me]

I think anarchy will happen, after about 90% of the population has died /gotten themselves killed... The survivors will not be the ones who takes orders from authorities, a new breed of humans!!!


ohh, are you trying to be even more cynical than I now...

how about 50% instead?

[Gknowmx]

We don’t want to be rich we want to be anarchists in an anarchic society, we don’t want to succeed within the capitalist system we want to destroy it all together for the rescue and benefit of us and of humanity. We don’t want to exploit or oppress anyone, all we want is to live free of work, religion and authority, we want a life without money and classes, without the weak and the strong, life is not a jungle and if so is capitalism then I am Tarzan.


Interesting that Horn independently picked out the same quote to discuss in post #2.

I have at least two concerns with the philosophy esspoused:

1) Acheivement requires Courage. The capacity for courage is often seen as a character trait, but it is likely that it is a personality trait; the later means that the population at large is not likely to suddenly discover latent courage anymore than they are are to discover a new eye color.

2) Anarchy should be a choice, not the ONLY way. For those who need Capitalism in some co-dependent way (masters and slave alike) let them choose it. The problem with most all ideologies is that they develop and mutual exclusivity with all other known ideologies. I say let the Capitalist subscribe to capitalism, Marxist to Marxism, etc. Of course the problem is when ideology is forced on people "for their own good". The rant above promoting anarchism is no exception. On the one hand it is promoting "peaceful" revolution to overtake Capitalism, on the other hand it is flat out saying that Capitalism must me stamped out. Looks like there is still confusion on the distinction between Power and Force.

[jedemdasseine]

I wish Hypertiger were here to tell us all what capitalism really is.
:)

[singular_me]

more or less what I said: Anarchy cannot work out because the majority is fearful when it comes down to maximizing freedom and free will.... freedom/freewill cannot be coerced in any way.That is why we can never implemented it, it's delusional in sense that its enforcement is impossible





We don’t want to be rich we want to be anarchists in an anarchic society, we don’t want to succeed within the capitalist system we want to destroy it all together for the rescue and benefit of us and of humanity. We don’t want to exploit or oppress anyone, all we want is to live free of work, religion and authority, we want a life without money and classes, without the weak and the strong, life is not a jungle and if so is capitalism then I am Tarzan.


Interesting that Horn independently picked out the same quote to discuss in post #2.

I have at least two concerns with the philosophy esspoused:

1) Acheivement requires Courage. The capacity for courage is often seen as a character trait, but it is likely that it is a personality trait; the later means that the population at large is not likely to suddenly discover latent courage anymore than they are are to discover a new eye color.

2) Anarchy should be a choice, not the ONLY way. For those who need Capitalism in some co-dependent way (masters and slave alike) let them choose it. The problem with most all ideologies is that they develop and mutual exclusivity with all other known ideologies. I say let the Capitalist subscribe to capitalism, Marxist to Marxism, etc. Of course the problem is when ideology is forced on people "for their own good". The rant above promoting anarchism is no exception. On the one hand it is promoting "peaceful" revolution to overtake Capitalism, on the other hand it is flat out saying that Capitalism must me stamped out. Looks like there is still confusion on the distinction between Power and Force.

[singular_me]

all we have gotten so far are derived forms of collectivism... with some periods of time a little bit freer than others.




I wish Hypertiger were here to tell us all what capitalism really is.
:)

[jedemdasseine]

Are any of you actually familiar with genuine anarchist thinking, such as the works of Bakunin, Kropotkin, etc.?

[Gknowmx]

Are any of you actually familiar with genuine anarchist thinking, such as the works of Bakunin, Kropotkin, etc.?




No, I have yet to read Bukunin, though I have heard of him. As I reach back to understand historical evolution of ideology I have read some of Spooner and Tucker. Do you have some recommendations?

[jedemdasseine]

Are any of you actually familiar with genuine anarchist thinking, such as the works of Bakunin, Kropotkin, etc.?




No, I have yet to read Bukunin, though I have heard of him. As I reach back to understand historical evolution of ideology I have read some of Spooner and Tucker. Do you have some recommendations?


I'm certainly not an anarchist, but I they all make for interesting reads. The more communist-leaning anarchists, such as Kropotkin, are ok for some intellectual stimulation. I enjoy Bakunin the most. His missives lack unity, but he's an original thinker. Emma Goldman seems to make up for in conviction what she lacks in thinking. It's been a while since I read a lot of anarchists, so I may not be the person to ask.

[Neuro]

I think anarchy will happen, after about 90% of the population has died /gotten themselves killed... The survivors will not be the ones who takes orders from authorities, a new breed of humans!!!


ohh, are you trying to be even more cynical than I now...

how about 50% instead?

No doubt a die off of those proportions would shake up most people, but I still think that you will have a large proportion of the population who is incapable of independent thought... 90% and none of the survivors would take any bullshit anymore... The problem is not the people who wants to rule others, the problem is the ones who wants to be slaves...

I am fairly optimistic though, I think the die off is coming quite soon... Then it is time for utopia of free men and women roaming earth...

[singular_me]

I am fairly optimistic though, I think the die off is coming quite soon... Then it is time for utopia of free men and women roaming earth..

that is what I have tried to explain in the religious/philosophy forum countlessly... many view utopia as a lalaland... while in fact it is the only solution we can embrace to get rid of unworkable models. It is only when we push the imagination to the extreme, unthinkable,, that we find our salvation.

People who think we can fix whatever problem with the same thinking that created it, are delusional to some extend.

the only dilemma that is at stake: with rulers or not... take your pick.. if one choose "rulers", one want to be decieved. Over time, and it may not be obvious at first sight, ruling powers will always try to grab more and more power. the ruling concept is deceptive at its core.

Anarchy espoused the chaos theory of organized randomness.

[Gknowmx]

The problem is not the people who wants to rule others, the problem is the ones who wants to be slaves...



This is a co-dependent relationship; they are the two sides of the one coin of capitalism

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

In a country without formal government how would armed robbers be handled?

In a country without formal government how would environmentalism be regulated?

In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?

In a country without formal government how would court decisions be enforced?

[singular_me]

In a country without formal government how would armed robbers be handled?

In a country without formal government how would environmentalism be regulated?

In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?

In a country without formal government how would court decisions be enforced?


anarchy cannot sustain itself without a certian/high level of self-awareness... and should we ever reach this step, all these questions will turn out being senseless.

You ask yourself all this because you look back at history... yes there are true concerns, I wont deny that.

One thing is certain is that if there is ever a shift toward anarchy, the transition will be brutal, whatever may cause it. A massive societal shock must occur. The choice has to be benevolent, although being prompted by an absolute use of force in the first place.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

This is why I say what you are really talking about is utopian. If humanity was not what humanity is then we could have a civil arrangement that got rid of power trips, greed, and corruption.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I have read and studied anarchism on and off over the years. I've read Kropotkin's Mutual Aid, and the works of Bakunin, Proudhon, Emma Goldman, and Murray Rothbard and others.

You can get a good handle on it by watching videos of Stephan Molyneaux at FreedomainRadio.com.

Anarchism is the absence of rulers. Government is the institution of rulers. No rulers, no government. It isn't for everyone. It is for the thinkers and adults in the world--people who take responsibility and can make choices themselves.

The tragedy of anarchism is that most people--including those here at GSUS think of it as chaos--complete and dangerous disorder where everyone is out to kill you, and it is therefore scary to those who see it this way. Most people see it this way because they cannot imagine living in a world where they are not told by someone what to do. People have been conditioned by their rulers to surrender their freedom.

The closest thing you can have to anarchy in today's world is to live in a place that is inaccessible, and to live by yourself where nobody can tell you what to do. Of course you will have to figure out what to do yourself, and that scares most people.

Rulers won't give up their power,so they demonize the idea of anarchy. They have nothing to fear from it. They use it as a convenient whipping boy--calling the actions of police agent provocateurs as the work of 'anarchists'. If you believe what they tell you on the news, you are not going to become an anarchist any time soon.

Hatha

[Book]

In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?



Their parasitic agents would post pro-anarchy stuff on internet forums to internally weaken the target host society...lol.

:D

[singular_me]

utopia is all we have to get rid of NWO... without no extreme bold move, global fascism is here to stay.



This is why I say what you are really talking about is utopian. If humanity was not what humanity is then we could have a civil arrangement that got rid of power trips, greed, and corruption.

[singular_me]

Amen to this...




I have read and studied anarchism on and off over the years. I've read Kropotkin's Mutual Aid, and the works of Bakunin, Proudhon, Emma Goldman, and Murray Rothbard and others.

You can get a good handle on it by watching videos of Stephan Molyneaux at FreedomainRadio.com.

Anarchism is the absence of rulers. Government is the institution of rulers. No rulers, no government. It isn't for everyone. It is for the thinkers and adults in the world--people who take responsibility and can make choices themselves.

The tragedy of anarchism is that most people--including those here at GSUS think of it as chaos--complete and dangerous disorder where everyone is out to kill you, and it is therefore scary to those who see it this way. Most people see it this way because they cannot imagine living in a world where they are not told by someone what to do. People have been conditioned by their rulers to surrender their freedom.

The closest thing you can have to anarchy in today's world is to live in a place that is inaccessible, and to live by yourself where nobody can tell you what to do. Of course you will have to figure out what to do yourself, and that scares most people.

Rulers won't give up their power,so they demonize the idea of anarchy. They have nothing to fear from it. They use it as a convenient whipping boy--calling the actions of police agent provocateurs as the work of 'anarchists'. If you believe what they tell you on the news, you are not going to become an anarchist any time soon.

Hatha

[singular_me]

doomsday theories are still what guides your thinking... anarchy is not a group thing but an individual take, herd-free. That is why it seems so unaccessible to many .... you?

true anarchy will never be a "movement" because it is initiated by a self-realization, If you see a such a movement, it very likely will be NWO induced.







In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?



Their parasitic agents would post pro-anarchy stuff on internet forums to internally weaken the target host society...lol.

:D

[Horn]

In a country without formal government how would armed robbers be handled?

Immediate & unfettered civil response individual or groups.

In a country without formal government how would environmentalism be regulated?

Oh you'd still have Greenpeace, I'm sure even more so.

In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?

We could bring up the survival of Afghanistan here

In a country without formal government how would court decisions be enforced?

Removal of the court to begin with.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

utopia is all we have to get rid of NWO... without no extreme bold move, global fascism is here to stay.



It is not an either/or proposition between global fascism and anarchy, unless you are defining fascism as any form of order maintenance, which may well be the functional definition for a lot of people within the libertarian mindset. But that is a false understanding of reality. There will always be some form of order maintenance in the world -- if it is nothing other than tribal councils or warlords.

[singular_me]

There will always be some form of order maintenance in the world -- if it is nothing other than tribal councils or warlords.

there are laws and princpicles that works well for small communities because everything can be handled approrpriately and quickly. It is massive bureaucracy causing rampant corruption the problem.

Even democracy might work for a village, but apply it a grand scale, it is doomed to fail and leads to despotism. See it as a each piece of puzzle being a part of thw whole. Just like a for living organism, the good health of every cell is necessary first. .

Arnarchy would ensure that people go live in whatever area with like minded people, thus share the same values to start with. Self-segregation would become a common fact of life, as oppsed to forced integration, what we now have.

[jedemdasseine]

What about anarcho-capitalists?
;)

Syndicalism?

[Brent]

It is for the thinkers and adults in the world--people who take responsibility and can make choices themselves.


So basically your saying Anarchy is totally and completely impossible to implement in reality where the majority of people cannot think for themselves. Yep, sounds about right.

What is the point of theorizing about utopias when it is highly improbable one will ever exist?

Why not think of real solutions to real world problems? Oh thats right that might actually threaten "TPTB" so instead we get endless hours of ridiculous discussion on utopias that will never exist.

Seriously people, if you want to escape reality for a little bit do yourself a favor and play a MMORPG or go watch a good movie.


Reality is that there are two kinds of people in the world, rulers (thinkers) and followers. This is how it is and how it always will be.

True Anarchy could never exist due to basic human nature.

[Book]

true anarchy will never be a "movement" because it is initiated by a self-realization, If you see a such a movement, it very likely will be NWO induced.



http://www.chelseahotelblog.com/.a/6a00d8341c8a8c53ef0115705a5e52970b-500wi

http://www.rebelion.org/imagenes/36015_4.jpg

Jews are known nation-wreckers. Their previous attempts here in the USA are well known. If you see a such a movement, it very likely will be ZOG induced. They keep us distracted while their Bankster tribe robs us blind...lol.

:D

[singular_me]

Jews are known nation-wreckers. Their previous attempts here in the USA are well known. If you see a such a movement, it very likely will be ZOG induced. They keep us distracted while their Bankster tribe robs us blind...lo

someone mentioned that s/he'd like to see Hypertiger show up... I second this...

It is not a racial issue, it is about being afraid of freedom... all the elites (2% of world population)suffer from the same psychopathy because people (98% of population) are the enablers.

2% versus 98% = who is the most guilty do you think?

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynKoZD-sFi4

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

It is not a racial issue, it is about being afraid of freedom... all the elites (2% of world population)suffer from the same psychopathy because people (98% of population) are the enablers.



Where there's a whole pot full of nations fighting over power issues finer considerations like "freedom" go by the wayside. In the furor over culture conflict "freedom" is not even a consideration. The Mexicans are feeling very frisky these days, like a revanchist reconquest is in the offing. Do you think "freedom" in the sense you use the word is even on their radar? Whether you like it or not, race is in fact an issue.

[StackerKen]

This thread is probably over my head but the title of this thread bothers me...

To me, "Anarchy" means Godlessness

I think it is what Satan wants ...



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Anarchy (disambiguation).
Anarchy (from Greek: ἀναρχίᾱ anarchÃÂ*ā, "without ruler") may refer to any of the following:

"A social state where order and individual responsibility prevail."
"No rulership or enforced authority."[1]
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[2]
"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[3]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[4]
"Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this." [5]

Just sayin

[singular_me]

To me, "Anarchy" means Godlessness

so religions must be enforced??

amybody who is highly self-aware, atheist or not, will follow universal/cosmic/god rules.

today we have god in every country and where is the gain?

[Horn]

This thread is probably over my head but the title of this thread bothers me...

To me, "Anarchy" means Godlessness

I think it is what Satan wants ...


Communication is the hardest part (trying to convey the meaning) as to follow, but there was a time when Satan hisself was an employee of God.

I think it is safe to view any position, as less than permanent.

Not to say that some sort of utopian-stasis isn't a grande idea, but even God should know the shortcomings of such presumptuous plans.

Again, we are brought back to Constitutionalist framers, and their neglect for detailing precise processes for removing said "polluted capitolism".

[Book]

amybody who is highly self-aware, atheist or not, will follow universal/cosmic/god rules.



Whoever disagrees with Singular Me/Goldissima is...............................unaware...lol.

:D

[Book]

Whether you like it or not, race is in fact an issue.



Yep.

:)

[singular_me]

Whoever disagrees with Singular Me/Goldissima is...............................unaware...lol.

:D


I took this thread out of the religion/philosophy forum to have a decent discussion... and here you pop again... self-awareness is key. Today many people claim themselves as religious... but they lack self-awareness and that is why we are where we are.

You want to make it a racial and church issue, be my guest... have a nice chat with yourself.

self awareness precedes the capacity to communicate with God. Without self-awareness, we cannot fathom the nature of God.

[Horn]

Yes, once again "testing" eachother's reality, and the result of such.

[StackerKen]

To me, "Anarchy" means Godlessness

so religions must be enforced??

amybody who is highly self-aware, atheist or not, will follow universal/cosmic/god rules.

today we have god in every country and where is the gain?







Laws must be enforced. And there has to be consequences when laws are broken.

You can't possibly think that this world would be civilized without government to nforce laws do you?



"A social state where order and individual responsibility prevail."
"No rulership or enforced authority."[1]
"Absence of government; a state of lawlessness due to the absence or inefficiency of the supreme power; political disorder."[2]
"A social state in which there is no governing person or group of people, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."[3]
"Absence or non-recognition of authority and order in any given sphere."[4]
"Acting without waiting for instructions or official permission... The root of anarchism is the single impulse to do it yourself: everything else follows from this.

with the things listed above....there would be ..well....Total Anarchy! :o

Not a good thing...

[Book]

self awareness precedes the capacity to communicate with God. Without self-awareness, we cannot fathom the nature of God.



Um...isn't the topic of this thread Anarchy v. Capitalism:

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re: I Want Anarchy In My Life Time Not Capitalism

[StackerKen]

one other thing....If you think the world could function on " individual responsibility" alone...

im sorry to say I think you are dreaming

[Horn]

with the things listed above....there would be ..well....Total Anarchy! Shocked

Not a good thing...

Guess we're on different pages there, ken.

Because to me it looks like heaven.

[gunny highway]

Wishing for anarchy is like living in fantasy world. in an anarchistic world, it is rule by the strongest and most powerful person or group. that would be the natural order of things. usually this means rule by force, and most often by those who have the most powerful weapons. sounds an awful lot like democracy to me. anyone who advocates anarchy is cruising for a bruising. i understand the whole idea of living your life as you see fit but human nature dictates that someone or some group of people will eventually take over and deprive all others of the right to live this way. it hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now. if you can post some examples of anarchistic societies that were successful, please enlighten me.

[StackerKen]

with the things listed above....there would be ..well....Total Anarchy! Shocked

Not a good thing...

Guess we're on different pages there, ken.

Because to me it looks like heaven.


As they say Horn....."In a perfect world"......

But we don't live in a perfect world.....far from it in fact.

[singular_me]

Um...isn't the topic of this thread Anarchy v. Capitalism:

sorry you attempted to hijacked this thread, making it a racial matter (subliminally inviiting others to raise religious tones) then agreeing with StackerKen who raised the god issue. Scroll up...

StackerKen also hijacked this thread.

self-awareness goes for sure along with spirituality... so I threw in my 2 cents. The difference between you and I is that I dont need to associate God with self-awaress systematically. I can philosophize without mentioning the "G" word. Some cant, obviously.

Ultimately, you are a law enforcer... we are worlds apart. For me, any coercion is the root of all evil


.

[Agrippa]

In a country without formal government how would armed robbers be handled?

In a country without formal government how would environmentalism be regulated?

In a country without formal government how would invasion by foreign governments be handled?

In a country without formal government how would court decisions be enforced?


These questions all share two underlying assumptions: First, that there is a certain way that these problems would be addressed. Second, that there exists someone who can dictate what that way will be. When these assumptions are stated overtly your questions take on the form:

"In a country without formal government, what agency would dictate for us a single approach to dealing with...".

The answer, obviously, is that without a government, there would be no agency to dictate single (typically poor) solutions to problems. In a free country the solutions would arise from the marketplace, and there would likely be multiple strategies for dealing with each of the problems that you raise.

The most that anyone, not aspiring to be your master, could offer you are suggestions of ways in which such problems could be handled in a free country, or ways in which they have been handled in the past during those infrequent intervals when men have found themselves free for a time, or ways in which such things are handled now in places where the rulers don't bother to dictate such matters. When you are content with such knowledge, you will find that there is no shortage of scholarly works on these subjects available.

[singular_me]

this question is a fake trap... the real question is "are humans capable to overcome their fears regarding the unknown?". . do you think that if they were aware that war and any use of force are deceptions to start with, would they like to be told what to do? .If you dont see the point, then you agree that ignorance will forever rule... utopia vs utopia at this stage, really.



Wishing for anarchy is like living in fantasy world. in an anarchistic world, it is rule by the strongest and most powerful person or group. that would be the natural order of things. usually this means rule by force, and most often by those who have the most powerful weapons. sounds an awful lot like democracy to me. anyone who advocates anarchy is cruising for a bruising. i understand the whole idea of living your life as you see fit but human nature dictates that someone or some group of people will eventually take over and deprive all others of the right to live this way. it hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now. if you can post some examples of anarchistic societies that were successful, please enlighten me.

[StackerKen]

Ok sorry to derail........Dream on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIv1MAClQhk

[singular_me]

As they say Horn....."In a perfect world"......

But we don't live in a perfect world.....far from it in fact.


stop being stuck in the past... look ahead... I know, very challenging. But challengers and outside the box thinkers are always winning - in the long run.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_kez7WVUU

[cigarlover]

In a perfect world I can see it working. In the world we live in, no way. At least not in our lifetimes anyway.
In order to implement anything close to this it would need to start with education from birth. Perhaps you could get a very small portion of the population to do this in the next 20 years. If so then they would need to expand that for the next generation and so on. Perhaps in a 1000 years it would be possible if we started education now. The other thing you would need is a population reduction on this planet of around 95%.

If you want to see what your really dealing with take a ride into any city and look for where most of the welfare recipients live. I advise doing this during daylight hours. After dark is usually when the anarchy begins. Yes they get their checks from the gov by day but at night the drug dealing and prostitution is out in full force. As close to anarchy as you will get in todays society I'm afraid.

[Horn]

REDCOATS!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fdjTzQwI9k

[gunDriller]

These people are the majority, I believe, and would at least find it uncomfortable, and at most hate absolute freedom.

i think one thing that makes that freedom easier to live with is if you have a piece of land to practice your freedom on.

i think one of the reasons America lost its way is because people left the land - the farm was not revered. "buy the farm" became a derogative term.

if you have no job, a family to take care of, and, hopefully, no Obama-care, your chances are much better if you have a piece of land to use to provide for them with.

whether you're hunting rabbits or growing pot, i think having land helps people.

but ... somehow ... paradoxically, some of the land i've looked at that was affordable was in areas that had a big meth problem (Eastern Washington.) some areas that have affordable land have zombie neighbors.

it takes some work, figuring out where is the affordable land, which areas have farming oriented neighbors, etc.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

i think one thing that makes that freedom easier to live with is if you have a piece of land to practice your freedom on.



This is the truest point made so far on this thread. Without a small farm republic freedom can be kissed goodbye. The state should actually guarantee the existence of small farms through law. Which brings up another point, the state has to actively champion freedom or it goes. The market does not champion freedom. The market takes your manufacturing and blue collar sector and exports it to China because China can do it cheaper.

[cigarlover]

These people are the majority, I believe, and would at least find it uncomfortable, and at most hate absolute freedom.

i think one thing that makes that freedom easier to live with is if you have a piece of land to practice your freedom on.

i think one of the reasons America lost its way is because people left the land - the farm was not revered. "buy the farm" became a derogative term.

if you have no job, a family to take care of, and, hopefully, no Obama-care, your chances are much better if you have a piece of land to use to provide for them with.

whether you're hunting rabbits or growing pot, i think having land helps people.

but ... somehow ... paradoxically, some of the land i've looked at that was affordable was in areas that had a big meth problem (Eastern Washington.) some areas that have affordable land have zombie neighbors.

it takes some work, figuring out where is the affordable land, which areas have farming oriented neighbors, etc.


One place there is cheap farmland is Ohio. Land contracts are available in some cases as well. Basically owner financing so you eliminate the banks.
Regardless of who the neighbors are, move onto some property and shoot your guns and in most cases they will leave you alone. Easier targets out there. Most people arent going to break into a house if they know they could be killed doing it.

[singular_me]

This is the truest point made so far on this thread. Without a small farm republic freedom can be kissed goodbye. The state should actually guarantee the existence of small farms through law. Which brings up another point, the state has to actively champion freedom or it goes. The market does not champion freedom. The market takes your manufacturing and blue collar sector and exports it to China because China can do it cheaper.


The problem is that good politicans are not eternal... laws can be overwritten, as they alsways have been, if history is any indication. In the end only the agreement between seller and new owner remains

we have more than 4,000 years of political and economic frauds... and today the outcome is crytal clear. genocide/massive devastating poverty in sight. Many see anarchism as the wild west, but it is coming anyway... beyond that it is just about speculations... which road: back to the old mode and trying to fix it... or the asboulte fed up?

For me, the upcoming TEOTWAWKI was enough to quit my 2 day jjobs in Manhattan and the big adventure started. After 8 months my financial resources are running kinda low, but I am fortunate enough to deal with a land owner who listens to the webbot report and is prepared since the y2k. We stand ready to help the neighbors if needed.

I have the impression that as long as we havent reached the deep bottom, many are going to hope that we can bring back honest givernments.

[cedarchopper]

The best we can hope for is a government weakened by lack of resources because I can't see government self reforming (or the will of the people being followed).

[Book]

For me, the upcoming TEOTWAWKI was enough to quit my 2 day jobs in Manhattan and the big adventure started. After 8 months my financial resources are running kinda low, but I am fortunate enough to deal with a land owner who listens to the webbot report and is prepared since the y2k.



http://img.tfd.com/wn/07/69237-landowner.jpg

I'm sure the Landowner really supports your call for Anarchy which would invalidate the title to "his" land...lol.

:D

[singular_me]

Book, again you quote selectively


We stand ready to help the neighbors if needed.

you also are confusing negative anarchy/chaos with positive anarchy/free will for peace... in these dire times ahead, NOBODY will be FULLY safe...

The owner is pro-gun...

so your point?

[StackerKen]

As they say Horn....."In a perfect world"......

But we don't live in a perfect world.....far from it in fact.


stop being stuck in the past... look ahead... I know, very challenging. But challengers and outside the box thinkers are always winning - in the long run.



I look forward to the future....but I live in the present ;)

[Book]

you also are confusing negative anarchy/chaos with positive anarchy/free will for peace... in these dire times ahead, NOBODY will be FULLY safe...



You make this sh*t up as you go along Goldissima. You call for "Anarchy" in this thread but somehow want to preserve the personal real estate investment of your own Landlord sugar daddy under the color of private-property Laws. Your self-contradictory "dualities" are just jaw-dropping hilarious...lol.

:D

[StackerKen]

Book

She calls that "Self Awareness"

[singular_me]

okay because anarchists cannot be nice people to you.. right?

I do NOT call for anarchy but FULL awareness, being the master of one'self... If you endorse that, then your goal is to trim down laws as much as possible, until you end up with FULL self responsibility

obviously I have struck a nerve again.

I didnt cause the world upcomng demise, did I?... so we will see what survivors decide.

Yes, for you, in your realm of rightenousness, this is black or white, but you cannot prove that white/black without comparing opposites. You need my point of view to sustain yours and otherwise.

again you are a law enforcer and I consider the use of force/coercion as evil...

Property will soon become very fictive for many... why dont you focus on the positive I say: that we stand READY to help others in the area. But thats too much for your thinking because ppl who go along with "compassion and free will" is something that you cannot grasp. Maybe never will grasp. I call this self-awareness.








you also are confusing negative anarchy/chaos with positive anarchy/free will for peace... in these dire times ahead, NOBODY will be FULLY safe...



You make this sh*t up as you go along Goldissima. You call for "Anarchy" in this thread but somehow want to preserve the personal real estate investment of your own Landlord sugar daddy under the color of private-property Laws. Your self-contradictory "dualities" are just jaw-dropping hilarious...lol.

:D

[Book]

obviously I have struck a nerve again.



My funny bone.

:D

[singular_me]

Property will soon become very fictive for many.... so where the are the laws you were talking about, so fond of? Did they help? More then 4,000 years of laws are about to go down the drain and you claim the virtue of Law endorcement. LOL

I hope that world citizens will make the right choice. I made mine: living off the grid as much as possible.







obviously I have struck a nerve again.



My funny bone.

:D

[Book]

Property will soon become very fictive for many... why dont you focus on the positive I say: that we stand READY to help others in the area. But thats too much for your thinking because ppl who go along with "compassion and free will" is something that you cannot grasp. Maybe never will grasp. I call this self-awareness.



I question your self-awareness:

Um...I can't grasp how Goldissima can stand READY to help others in the area since she is merely a tenant with little money of her own:




After 8 months my financial resources are running kinda low, but I am fortunate enough to deal with a land owner who listens to the webbot report and is prepared since the y2k.

[singular_me]

Um...I can't grasp how Goldissima can stand READY to help others in the area since she is merely a tenant with little money of her own:


I didnt say "I" but "WE"... everybody on the ranch.

SOLIDARITY = ever heard of this??

Running low financially is always relative ya know... I have no debt, so I am rich to some extend - again compared to many. This said I was able to afford my trip to Europe, departure next week, return 10 days later... so do you really think that I am that close to being penniless?

funny, since I came up with the universal dualities principles, you are after me... looks like opposites attract one another. LOL

[Book]

I hope that world citizens will make the right choice. I made mine: living off the grid as much as possible.



It might appear instead that you are living off your Landlord sugar daddy...lol.

:D

[Book]

funny, since I came up with the universal dualities principles, you are after me... looks like opposites attract one another. LOL



Yeah...we should probably get a room and explore our mutual Doppelganger thingie...LOL.

:D

[singular_me]

you are out to mock my endeavors... no sugar dady... I work HARD every day for room and board. You call this living off?

but it is obvous that you have run out of arguments - again, so you resort to attacks







I hope that world citizens will make the right choice. I made mine: living off the grid as much as possible.



It might appear instead that you are living off your Landlord sugar daddy...lol.

:D

[Book]

you are out to mock my endeavors... no sugar dady... I work HARD every day.


Actually, I have been trying to understand you ever since you bailed from NYC. When you get condescending I mock you.

:)

[singular_me]

Yeah...we should probably get a room and explore our mutual Doppelganger thingie...LOL.

just made sure you wouldnt delete this... for everybody to see who you are, Book.

[Book]

funny, since I came up with the universal dualities principles, you are after me... looks like opposites attract one another. LOL



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[singular_me]

Actually, I have been trying to understand you ever since you bailed from NYC. When you get condescending I mock you.


talking of self-awareness and not going along with your harsh and overdone anti-zionist/racial stance and not being 101% pro-bible surely is condescending... to YOU...

You lost this discussion again

[Book]

You lost this discussion again



http://beltwayramblings.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/jump-20off-20a-20building-small.jpg

That's it. I'm going to meet The Big Is.

[Horn]

http://img.tfd.com/wn/07/69237-landowner.jpg

I'm sure the Landowner really supports your call for Anarchy which would invalidate the title to "his" land...lol.

:D



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeDdjla19J8

[Book]

I work HARD every day for room and board.



Inmates and prison staff benefit, too.

"Occupying time is a big issue in prison," said Deputy Warden Jay Christensen. "When inmates get up at 5 a.m. to fire up the irrigation pumps, then work in the fields, when they come back, they're ready to hit the bunks."

Inmates get fresh air and sun, not to mention a starting wage of 10 cents an hour for their commissary accounts.

Self-Awareness (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/05/17/1195311/inmate-farmers-turn-idle-soil.html)

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[Desolation LineTrimmer]

give her a break.

[Horn]

Someone posted this video on another thread. I will post it here again for all the inmates.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A

[singular_me]

Book, you are getting borderline now... and what you are doing is simply harrassment... your sex oriiented posting says it all. I am so fed up with you. I hope some mods will get in touch with you soon.

Do you know how many economic slaves in the world? Yet you talk to me as if you didnt know anything about fiat currencies ...

Get lost!!







I work HARD every day for room and board.



Inmates and prison staff benefit, too.

"Occupying time is a big issue in prison," said Deputy Warden Jay Christensen. "When inmates get up at 5 a.m. to fire up the irrigation pumps, then work in the fields, when they come back, they're ready to hit the bunks."

Inmates get fresh air and sun, not to mention a starting wage of 10 cents an hour for their commissary accounts.

Self-Awareness (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/05/17/1195311/inmate-farmers-turn-idle-soil.html)

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[singular_me]

give her a break.


I dont know what he is on, but I think he must be completely boozed for doing this...

all he can do is attacking me because he has no argument against my spiritual stance which endorses quantum physics and investigating esotericism in all mesopotamian religions.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

all he can do is attacking me because he has no argument against my spiritual stance which endorses the quantum physics and investigating esotericism in all mesopotamian religions.



That's one of the funniest things I've read in a while.

[Horn]

Anarchy is nice as long as you have the requisite amount of backing and fire-power for the conditions.
http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/b5b16c14af2e113f9c72757e7fdb9bcccfdcb92a.pjpg


That's not Anarchy, that's Australia.

[singular_me]

The maisntream has completely currupted the meaning of anarchy... it is like democracy today, the average people think it is the best model society can get.

the world is completely upside down. Many fear lawslessness meanwhile our fate in the hands of psychopaths.

But who said that anarchy has no rules at all? The rules will be that of the area one lives in. Like I said, people will self-segregate to avoid most conflicts. Forced intergration doesnt work. Not happy with the local guidelines, just move out and find an area that is more your cup of tea.







Anarchy is nice as long as you have the requisite amount of backing and fire-power for the conditions.
http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/b5b16c14af2e113f9c72757e7fdb9bcccfdcb92a.pjpg


That's not Anarchy, that's Australia.

[Horn]

http://www.treehugger.com/republicans-science.JPG

Chaos AND unconstitutional Anarchy.

:oo-->


So twisted that Mob Rule mentality is considered good governance.

While the real mob cowers underneath a cloven hoof judicial system.

[Olmstein]

What about anarcho-capitalists?
;)

Syndicalism?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0

[Libertarian_Guard]

The maisntream has completely currupted the meaning of anarchy... it is like democracy today, the average people think it is the best model society can get.

the world is completely upside down. Many fear lawslessness meanwhile our fate in the hands of psychopaths.

But who said that anarchy has no rules at all? The rules will be that of the area one lives in. Like I said, people will self-segregate to avoid most conflicts. Forced intergration doesnt work. Not happy with the local guidelines, just move out and find an area that is more your cup of tea.







Anarchy is nice as long as you have the requisite amount of backing and fire-power for the conditions.
http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/b5b16c14af2e113f9c72757e7fdb9bcccfdcb92a.pjpg


That's not Anarchy, that's Australia.



http://i40.tinypic.com/1relnc.jpg

[Horn]

of laws, and not men...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPxfJv6jN8c

[singular_me]

sorry to see that you have so many smites, LG., because I usually very much like your input.

I dont know how I have to interpret you picture but to me anarchy rather refers to the total absence of a central government. Unless one chooses to live 101% self-sufficiently. Interaction between people demands some degree of organization in the first place.. Once people join a community, a village or a city, there will always be guidelines denominated by their shared purposes and goals.

Lets get real, most crimes and neuroses are rooted in "forced integration". Today people go work and hate their environment and their job because society wants to mold them into indoviduals that they dont want to be. That is the downside of every civilization. How many of them, later in life, realize that their fail their inner voice and acknowledge that they would have managed their existence differently if they had known better? Alas too often this realization comes too late and retirement only brings bitterness.

How many people have kids while not realizing that the current social framework doesnt care about our happiness but want us to provide the system with more slaves? How does it come that many adults end up being more satisfied with their lives once their children can go live on their own? And I could go on and on...

We have to stop confusing causes and consequence if we really wish to address happiness in the broad sense. And the cause is civilization itself, it is the nemesis of "indivuduality". All civilizations go though a golden age then start regressing. Why? War, orchestrated or not, is often at stake, but why going through the pain of massive destruction on a regular basis? So we can rebuild and organize the smae failures again? That does make sense... this is the deinition of insanity.

More than 4,000 years of failure of civilization are enough to drawn such a conclusion: Live and let live should become the sole goal of humans who really care about Mankind. Tolerance can only come this way. And once tolerance sets in, compassion can only grow exponentially. As long as we'll continue to skew the process at the root, elites will impose their "divide to rule mantra upon us and history will forever repeat itself.

Self-segragation is happening anyway, everywhere. That is the proof that people want that. So let them organize themselves completely, from A to Z.

As the world is completely upside down, global interventionists want us to view anarchy as a lawlessness concept. Fear is the name of the game. Nothing new under the sun. When a country goes down the raod, media is fast to talk of "anarchy" . And this shapes people opinions about it. Real anarchy espouses the chaos theory or self organized randomness and nothing else. Astro-physics applied to society and neuro/cognitive sciences is the only model mankind can follow.

If we could we come to term with the concept of civilization and why they bring so much misery due to their excessive regulations that want us to conform, the idea of "centralization" could cease to exist and people organize their lives accordingly, with much less coercion... so they can finally experience the true meaning of freedom and free will, and continue their personal growth from there. No civilization can teach this. civilizations operate as "one size fit all" and thus always hold the seed of their own demise within.

Of course, since we never went that road, the next massive devastation is showing on the horizon.... will we learn this time?

To be continued..

EDIT: anarchy is not a lawless system, but one that allows all systems to co-exist. And let the best system reveal itself. Coercion will adjust itself accordingly because people will be able to judge by themselves what they truly want It should be our sovereign right to choose the level of Freedom we want in our lives. Let all states, communites, villages compete and the best of all wins over. Centralization is against it and that is why we have standing armies, mob, cartels... in short legalized lawlesness from the top down. Unfortunately, in no way we'd be able to achieve this peacully and gradually. People are too scared to let it go. A total breakdown and dislocation are needed to raise collective awareness first. The shock is coming...







The maisntream has completely currupted the meaning of anarchy... it is like democracy today, the average people think it is the best model society can get.

the world is completely upside down. Many fear lawslessness meanwhile our fate in the hands of psychopaths.

But who said that anarchy has no rules at all? The rules will be that of the area one lives in. Like I said, people will self-segregate to avoid most conflicts. Forced intergration doesnt work. Not happy with the local guidelines, just move out and find an area that is more your cup of tea.







Anarchy is nice as long as you have the requisite amount of backing and fire-power for the conditions.
http://images.yuku.com/image/pjpeg/b5b16c14af2e113f9c72757e7fdb9bcccfdcb92a.pjpg


That's not Anarchy, that's Australia.



http://i40.tinypic.com/1relnc.jpg

[Libertarian_Guard]

Singular_me

I guess nothing can be taken for granted. The silly picture of Dr. Evil, along with your comments was my idea of how anarchy is currently interpreted by most. It is not how I understand anarchy, but there is that silly motorcycle show, 'Sons of Anarchy' and other teevee interpretions of the word, and it is tough going up against movies and such, where many derive their mind set of opinion, words and terms.

[gunny highway]

I dont know how I have to interpret you picture but to me anarchy rather refers to the total absence of a central government. Unless one chooses to live 101% self-sufficiently. Interaction between people demands some degree of organization in the first place.. Once people join a community, a village or a city, there will always be guidelines denominated by their shared purposes and goals.

Lets get real, most crimes and neuroses are rooted in "forced integration". Today people go work and hate their environment and their job because society wants to mold them into indoviduals that they dont want to be. That is the downside of every civilization. How many of them, later in life, realize that their fail their inner voice and acknowledge that they would have managed their existence differently if they had known better? Alas too often this realization comes too late and retirement only brings bitterness.

How many people have kids while not realizing that the current social framework doesnt care about our happiness but want us to provide the system with more slaves? How does it come that many adults end up being more satisfied with their lives once their children can go live on their own? And I could go on and on...

We have to stop confusing causes and consequence if we really wish to address happiness in the broad sense. And the cause is civilization itself, it is the nemesis of "indivuduality".

very nicely put singular. i haven't gotten to the point where i completely agree with you but you made me think and i'm reading some things now to become more familiar. anarchy really does have a negative stigma attached to it and it clouded my judgement for a while. however, i can't get over the factor of human nature. we are always going to have those that lead and those disposed to following. we will also have those that provide and those that think that things should be provided for them. i guess this will be around regardless of the societal structure that is in place, of the lack thereof.

[singular_me]

very nicely put singular. i haven't gotten to the point where i completely agree with you but you made me think and i'm reading some things now to become more familiar. anarchy really does have a negative stigma attached to it and it clouded my judgement for a while. however, i can't get over the factor of human nature. we are always going to have those that lead and those disposed to following. we will also have those that provide and those that think that things should be provided for them. i guess this will be around regardless of the societal structure that is in place, of the lack thereof.


True anarchy is bemevolent, voluntary and the result of experience ... that is why it cannot be enforced. But anyone understanding this is ready for the big jump and abandon old and unworkable models that are civilization, centralization and interventionism.

just look in dictonaries and they will all portray "democracy" as good and anarchy as "dangerous"... In this forum there are many who'd agree that democracy is a joke, yet they believe the definition of anarchy to be accurate

If groups of people want to have their own "city or village", let them have it. Forced integration has made eveybody pananoid and fearful about human nature. Change the frameorks and I trust that the human nature will follow.

Thanks for your comment

[singular_me]

yes, the anarchy cliche is alive and kicking.. If a town nearby chooses communism, that is okay with me, just dont push it down my throat, i will move to another area fitting my needs better. The irony is that communism might work out for a village.. There just are concepts that dont work on a grand scale.

cheers



Singular_me

I guess nothing can be taken for granted. The silly picture of Dr. Evil, along with your comments was my idea of how anarchy is currently interpreted by most. It is not how I understand anarchy, but there is that silly motorcycle show, 'Sons of Anarchy' and other teevee interpretions of the word, and it is tough going up against movies and such, where many derive their mind set of opinion, words and terms.

[FunnyMoney]

I'm not saying the thread's not a worthwhile read. But you don't need to solve every detail of human society to make progress toward truth and good.

Solve a couple of the root cause issues and other problems will eventually find easy solutions or might simply just vanish.

Take away the taxes, take away the fiat money, you change course. Else, it's a one direction road, no matter how much the turns confuse you.

Originally Posted by JCarvingblock ...

"Centralized money and centralized power is a symbiotic pair; neither can exist without the other."

Gold and silver dug out of the earth, coined, and used exclusively in direct trade... one solution.

[Book]

For me, the upcoming TEOTWAWKI was enough to quit my 2 day jobs in Manhattan and the big adventure started. After 8 months my financial resources are running kinda low, but I am fortunate enough to deal with a land owner who listens to the webbot report and is prepared since the y2k. We stand ready to help the neighbors if needed...



:) how's this "big adventure" been working out for you Goldissima?

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbrVA3-WZ4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbrVA3-WZ4

Thanks for dragging this thread back up Book. --H H--

I like Doug Casey's idea on anarchism.

[Carl]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbrVA3-WZ4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXbrVA3-WZ4

Thanks for dragging this thread back up Book. --H H--

I like Doug Casey's idea on anarchism.

I like how people can sit comfortably within a framework of rules and wax poetically about living without them.

Capitalism IS the process of centralization! Capitalism is about market domination and control. The only liberty to be found in Capitalism is the liberty to beat down and destroy the economies of others.

America's free market economy was built under the principles of enlightened self interest, not Capitalism.

Anarchy is nothing more than the removal of rules and standards.

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3HRWjquSA

"In this short video the definitions are key to fully understanding the discussion. Without defining the terms, a complete analysis in this debate cannot be presented. Many video's have opinions about the matter, yet none address the root of the terminology.

"No Collectivist society can exist where the individual has ownership and control of capital."




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STnniV4Lcx4&feature=relmfu

"A short discussion clarifying the terms surrounding the great debate between ideologies. Many videos claim to hold the truth about this issue, yet none of them address the core of understanding just what we are dealing with."

"There is no great attack against Capitalism; There is a great attack on the individual's Right to own and control Capital". This is the key.

Dismiss this distinction at your own peril.

[Carl]

Sui Juris, thanks for posting the Banker's definitions for us, after all, Capitalism is the Banker's invention.

[iOWNme]

Sui Juris, thanks for posting the Banker's definitions for us, after all, Capitalism is the Banker's invention.

Did you even watch the videos? I guess not.

ALL societies in the history of man have been Capitalistic, and every society wants to become more so.

How is this a Bankers invention? Cave men had capital! Did the bankers create their capital also?

The only difference between any and all societies is this: Who owns and controls the Capital!

[iOWNme]

Capitalism IS the process of centralization! Capitalism is about market domination and control. The only liberty to be found in Capitalism is the liberty to beat down and destroy the economies of others.

America's free market economy was built under the principles of enlightened self interest, not Capitalism.

Anarchy is nothing more than the removal of rules and standards.

Holy CRAP. What have you been reading?

Competitive Capitalism is the process of De-centralization. The more COMPETITION there is, the less centralized the money and power.

You have it 100% completely BACKWARDS.

[Carl]

Holy CRAP. What have you been reading?
uhhhhh......HISTORY!

I like your clasic example of "are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?" Funny.

We labor under a Centralized Capitalist system today and look what it has wrought, multinational corporations producing thousands of variations of the same old crap.

Economy is not a competition, it's the means by which we put food in our bellies, clothes on our backs and a roof over our heads.

[Book]

America's free market economy was built under the principles of enlightened self interest, not Capitalism.



http://goreanwines.blogspot.com/2011/07/fate-of-kajira-auction-block.html

:) we should allow a Free Marketplace to set the price without pesky government controls.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Carl--what you are describing is imperialism. Imperialism is the centralization of political control. It has subordinated capitalism to its purposes. Some people call it crony capitalism--but that is what imperialism is. We have a global imperialism working today in the guise of the NWO. It resembles communism more than capitalism.


Hatha

[Carl]

Carl--what you are describing is imperialism. Imperialism is the centralization of political control. It has subordinated capitalism to its purposes. Some people call it crony capitalism--but that is what imperialism is. We have a global imperialism working today in the guise of the NWO. It resembles communism more than capitalism.

Hatha Capitalism is as it has always been, a moneyed process of eliminating market competition.

Capitalism is government sanctioned, bank financed, economic strip mining.

[Santa]

Carl is calling it what it is called today by everyone on earth. Lol...
I don't hear anyone on the boob tube or anywhere else today or even half a century ago calling this shit imperialism.

No, it's capitalism and capitalism has nothing to do with competition, except to smash it.

[singular_me]

whoever revived the thread... thanks a bunch, more later

[Book]

whoever revived the thread... thanks a bunch, more later...



:D Continue your story starting where your big adventure left off in 2010:




For me, the upcoming TEOTWAWKI was enough to quit my 2 day jobs in Manhattan and the big adventure started. After 8 months my financial resources are running kinda low...

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

A lot of names in the beginning of this thread that I miss dearly. Come back to us, friends.

[Neuro]

Capitalism is as it has always been, a moneyed process of eliminating market competition.

Capitalism is government sanctioned, bank financed, economic strip mining.

I agree with you Carl. It is the natural goal of capitalism to eliminate competition and attain a monopoly to maximize return on capital. And it does this by controlling government, regulators, public opinion through media, and monetary policy. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way around the cycle:
1) Free market, leads to
2) Capitalism, leads to
3) Government sponsored monopoly, leads to
4) Tyranny, leads to
5) Rebellion and collapse, leads to
6) 1)

Did I forget something?

[Book]

...cycle:
1) Free market, leads to
2) Capitalism, leads to
3) Government sponsored monopoly, leads to
4) Tyranny, leads to
5) Rebellion and collapse, leads to
6) 1)

Did I forget something?



http://www.creatvsj.org/CMSFiles/Image/Couch-potatoes-006.jpg

Scratch that "rebellion" thingie.

:)

[osoab]

http://www.creatvsj.org/CMSFiles/Image/Couch-potatoes-006.jpg

Scratch that "rebellion" thingie.

:)

Just wait until the chips and beer are no longer available. The lack of prescription meds will make the fireworks "brighter".

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDtfKNRTY-Q

[Gknowmx]

whoever revived the thread... thanks a bunch, more later

I agree.

[sirgonzo420]

whoever revived the thread... thanks a bunch, more later

Glad to see you're still around here.

[Carl]

I agree with you Carl. It is the natural goal of capitalism to eliminate competition and attain a monopoly to maximize return on capital. And it does this by controlling government, regulators, public opinion through media, and monetary policy. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way around the cycle:
1) Free market, leads to
2) Capitalism, leads to
3) Government sponsored monopoly, leads to
4) Tyranny, leads to
5) Rebellion and collapse, leads to
6) 1)

Did I forget something?
Capitalism didn't take off in this country until the introduction of the Fed.

Corporations used to have limited charters with set expiration dates and the only reason corporations were given limited personhood was so they could be sued for any damages they may do.

A removal of the Fed, limiting corporations and the removal of regulations would go a long way towards reestablishing localized free enterprise as our primary economic system once again.

[Neuro]

Just wait until the chips and beer are no longer available. The lack of prescription meds will make the fireworks "brighter".

That's right in a collapse the government can't provide the bread and circuses (today it would be beer, chips and merikan idle, spiked with a cocktail of tranqualizers)... However it can take some time for the level of collapse to reach the most basic needs of the population. However, and this is an important point. For a rebellion to be successful you don't need the population at large. You need a small percentage of highly motivated people, who stand the ground against the rulers who have a problem mobilizing their hired thugs (police and military), because of generalized apathy and discontent...

[iOWNme]

Capitalism didn't take off in this country until the introduction of the Fed.



WOW. I disagree 100%.

Between 1870-1920 this country saw economic growth that has surpassed every other Empire in history. Our true GNP DOUBLED every 8 years. It did this for 50 straight years.

Carl how did a nation with 6% of the land mass and 5% of the worlds population do this? The answer is simple:

People could keep what they earned.


You say 'Capitalism' took off after the FED was introduced. LAUGHABLE. The FED is COMMUNIST, and a Central Bank is the 5th plank of the Communist Manifesto.

Every single thing you blame on Competitive Capitalism is SYMPTOM of Socialsim. FACT.

In a competitve capitalistic Republic, it is the CONSUMER who decides the prices, NOT the manufacturer.

And yet we have had price and wage fixing since the 1930's.

[Santa]

You need a small percentage of highly motivated people, who stand the ground against the rulersI think it was Jefferson who wrote, and I paraphrase" The tree of Liberty needs to be watered by the blood of patriots."

Patriots are the ones who die for liberty.

There's such irony in this. Those brave young patriots dying for liberty.

For the ideal of freedom.

The only folks who actually deserve liberty are the one's who die for it.

Not survivalists. They are an entirely different critter. They do everything in their power to avoid dying.

Here's the irony. Liberty requires a willingness to die.

Nowadays, the willingness to die for an ideal (unless it's State sponsored, of course) is considered to be a mental illness.

So, we have a social quandary. By advocating survival, or security,
we lose our liberty.

"Give me liberty or give me death."

[Hypertiger]

Capitalism will never end.

All life and everything in the Universe capitalize upon Truth to sustain the existence of all and everything

Anyone that claims that there is a way to escape capitalism is ignorant of Truth.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil.

[Horn]

[/B]Not survivalists. They are an entirely different critter. They do everything in their power to avoid dying.

"Give me liberty or give me death."

Your so pointy, it hurts... :)

[Shami-Amourae]

What about anarcho-capitalists?
;)

I'm one of those. Notice my avatar? It's Gold.

[sirgonzo420]

I think it was Jefferson who wrote, and I paraphrase" The tree of Liberty needs to be watered by the blood of patriots."

Patriots are the ones who die for liberty.

There's such irony in this. Those brave young patriots dying for liberty.

For the ideal of freedom.

The only folks who actually deserve liberty are the one's who die for it.

Not survivalists. They are an entirely different critter. They do everything in their power to avoid dying.

Here's the irony. Liberty requires a willingness to die.

Nowadays, the willingness to die for an ideal (unless it's State sponsored, of course) is considered to be a mental illness.

So, we have a social quandary. By advocating survival, or security,
we lose our liberty.

"Give me liberty or give me death."


If we still had a thanks feature, this post would get a thanks from me.


On point you are Mr Claus.

[sirgonzo420]

What about anarcho-capitalists?
;)

Syndicalism?

Dammit.

I miss jedem.


:(

[Shami-Amourae]

What he said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUZqNHGTwA

[Carl]

It just amazes me the people who rise up in defence of Capitalism invaribly quote me Karl Marx.

And why not, it was he who defined it for them.

Prior to ole Marx redefining economics, capitalist were profit driven bankers and Dutch merchant speculators, which had little to do with actual economics. Even Adam Smith in his latter years wrote on the dangers of capitalist speculators and their negative impact on honest economic endevors.

In the U.S., calling someone a capitalist was considered extremely derogatory and was used against the big Industrailist at the time by the Marxist, turned Progressive.

That view of Capitalist held, especially in the south, well into the 60's. And no one considered our economic system of Free Enterprise, "Capitalist", that didn't occur until the last 20 years or so.

You go back through Mises work and you will discover that he speaks to capitalism, capital formation for the purpose and production and distribution, as a specific function WITHIN a free market economy.

As for: "In a competitve capitalistic Republic, it is the CONSUMER who decides the prices, NOT the manufacturer."

That's a bold faced lie. In Capitalist controlled markets, where free enterprise has been undercut and driven out, prices are determined by the Corporations and what is conducive to profit growth. And because they receive considerable financial aid/backing, they can sell at a loss in order to capture markets and come out ahead in the long run. Walmart has demonstrated this principle time and time again.

Prices were always relative to the prevailing economic conditions. That's how free enterprise works, it's adaptive. That's why communities with a low median household income lived their lives just as comfortably as those communities with median incomes that were higher. Comfort is also relative.

[Book]

http://www.opencurrency.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/feds_dees.jpg

Jews print our "Capital" out of thin air.

[Carl]

What he said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgUZqNHGTwA

First off, he is the one redefining anarchism, not those protesters in the street. Those protesters are following traditional Anarchism, which is Marxist.

Secondly, Capitalism cannot exist without a uniform legal/governmental and banking structure to support it. Without those elements, it's not Capitalism.

[singular_me]

Capitalism will never end.

All life and everything in the Universe capitalize upon Truth to sustain the existence of all and everything

Anyone that claims that there is a way to escape capitalism is ignorant of Truth.

Ignorance of Truth is the root of all evil.

You didnt post much since I left 2 year ago, HP... but nice to see you around...

Well I can see why capitalizing on debt/usury is capitalism too....

[Santa]

Some people think propaganda is Literature, or Art. The Art of Propaganda.

Capitalism popped it's bubbly wine cork during the Reagan administration.

[Horn]

Why worry about Communism or Capitalism, when its enough trouble bringing Royalty to the guillotine time & time again?

[singular_me]

Jews print our "Capital" out of thin air.

why are you so bent on Jewry, Book? Did you know that the chinese invented paper money first? Marco Polo saw the first fiat crash when arriving in China. Money and control go hand in hand... I think humans should barter as much as possible and keep their gold/silver/local currencies for special deals/expenses.

edit: Book. Just went through the whole thread and had to thank you for ruining it....

[Book]

...quit my 2 day jobs in Manhattan...



Oy Vey!

:)

[Mouse]

Oy Vey!

:)

What's wrong with StarBUCKS and canvassing for Children International?

Gee wiz

[singular_me]

True anarchy starts with the understanding of human values and that monetizing everything we can think of leads to disillusions

so now Greeks REdiscover bartering and solidarity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dIEqFOG-wE&feature=player_embedded

[Horn]

REdiscover bartering and solidarity

Voluntary or enforced with nothing left after tax?

[singular_me]

Voluntary or enforced with nothing left after tax?
not fully voluntary as the crisis needed to take place first. But I wouldnt say that it is enforced. Say by necessity

But too much evil leads to good caused by deep sufferings... and too much good lead to bad caused by laziness of thinking... (re)learning solidarity is essential