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Ponce
21st May 2010, 02:43 PM
To me it only means that they found a new way to screw you.
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12 Ways to Fix Social Security.

Emily Brandon, On Tuesday May 18, 2010, 11:32 am EDT
The Social Security program faces a long term financing shortfall. The trust fund's reserves are currently projected to cover payments until the end of 2037. Then there will only be sufficient resources to pay about three quarters of scheduled benefits. For full checks to be issued after that date the program's financing or benefit structure must be modified.

A U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging report released today outlines the policies Congress could institute to eliminate Social Security's projected deficit. Options include tax increases, benefit cuts, and program tweaks that could be implemented separately or in combination. "Many members of the Committee, including myself, do not support and actively oppose many of the options," writes committee chairman Herb Kohl in the report. Here's a look at the potential Social Security fixes.

Reduce benefits. If Social Security payouts were reduced by 3 percent for new beneficiaries beginning in 2010, about 18 percent of the funding shortfall would be eliminated. A 5 percent benefit cut would reduce the deficit by 30 percent. Alternatively, reductions could be more gradually phased in and exempt those with low lifetime earnings.

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Raise the retirement age. The Social Security eligibility age for unreduced retirement benefits currently ranges from 65 to 67 depending on the worker's year of birth. If benefits are claimed between age 62 and the full retirement age, payouts are reduced. Proposals to push back the retirement age include accelerating the increase currently underway to age 67, further increasing the full retirement age to 68 or even 70, and indexing the full retirement age to keep up with longevity. Each of these switches, however, eliminates less than a third of the deficit.

Increase worker and employer contributions. Workers and their employers currently pay 6.2 percent of earnings up to $106,800 into the Social Security system, or a maximum of $6,622 each per year. Self-employed workers are required to pay 12.4 percent of pay up to the same cap. If the contribution rate were increased by 1.1 percent to 7.3 percent of earnings, Social Security's projected deficit would be eliminated. Using this fix, a worker making $43,451 in 2010 would face a tax increase of $478 a year, or $9.19 a week, and the employer would face an identical increase.

Boost future contributions. Taxes don't need to be increased immediately because there is currently enough money in the Social Security trust fund to pay out scheduled benefits. For example, the Social Security tax bite could be increased from 6.2 percent to 7.2 percent for workers and employers in 2022, and to 8.2 percent in 2052, which would also completely eliminate the shortfall. Alternatively, taxes could be gradually ramped up by 1/20 percent annually for 20 years, which would decrease the Social Security deficit by about 69 percent.

Tax as needed. Social Security contribution rates could be designed to increase as funds are needed and reduced when there is a surplus. Additionally, efforts to collect unpaid Social Security payroll taxes could be enhanced.

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Modify the Social Security tax cap. Workers pay into the Social Security system on earnings up to $106,800 in 2010. About 83 percent of worker earnings were subject to Social Security payroll taxes in 2008. If all earned income above $106,800 annually were subject to Social Security contributions but did not count toward benefits, Social Security's projected deficit would be completely eliminated. If the higher income counted toward Social Security benefits, about 95 percent of the shortfall would be absolved. Other ideas: apply a new Social Security formula to earnings above the current cap or raise the amount of the income cap to apply to 90 percent of all worker earnings.

Average in more working years. Social Security checks are currently based on an average of a worker's 35 highest paid years in the workforce. Those who haven't worked 35 years have zeros averaged in. The averaging period could be increased to 38 or 40 years, which would reduce the deficit by 14 and 23 percent respectively.

Decrease the cost-of-living adjustment. Social Security benefits are currently automatically adjusted each year to keep up with inflation, as measured by the Consumer Price Index for Urban Wage Earners and Clerical Workers. Reducing the cost-of-living adjustment by 1 percent each year would eliminate 78 percent of the deficit. Even knocking half a percent off the annual adjustment would reduce the deficit by 40 percent. An alternative way of measuring the cost-of-living could also be used.

Lower spousal benefits. Social Security pays a benefit to nonworking and low earning spouses equal to up to 50 percent of the higher earning spouse's check. One proposal would gradually lower the maximum spousal benefit to 33 percent by 2026. This change would reduce about 6 percent of the long term deficit. However, this provision may have less of an impact over time as more women become entitled to Social Security benefits based on their own work records.

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Include more workers. Most Americans are already covered by the Social Security system. About 94 percent of workers pay employment or self-employment Social Security taxes. But some Americans are currently exempt from Social Security taxes including state and local government workers participating in alternative retirement systems, federal workers hired before 1984, college students working at academic institutions, and ministers who choose not to be covered. However, this fix would need to be applied in conjunction with others. Extending coverage to workers who previously didn't participate would only reduce the Social Security shortfall by about 9 percent.

A legacy tax. The first retirees who received Social Security payments from the system didn't pay Social Security taxes throughout their entire working life, which contributes to Social Security's fiscal problems. Several ideas have been raised to counteract this legacy cost including a 3 percent legacy tax on earnings above the current tax cap of $106,800 or on adjusted gross income over $125,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples. This legacy tax would eliminate close to a third of Social Security's shortfall. Another proposed idea is directing estate tax revenue into the Social Security trust fund, which would eliminate 20 percent of the fund's deficit.

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Diversify investments. Part of the Social Security trust fund could be invested in equities to try to earn returns that would help to sustain the Social Security program. Investing 15 percent of trust fund assets in equities would reduce the deficit by 14 percent if a 9.4 percent rate of return was achieved. If 40 percent of the trust fund were shifted into the stock market and earned 9.4 percent annually the deficit could be reduced by a third. Of course, this also exposes the trust fund to increased liabilities in times of economic downturn.

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kregener
21st May 2010, 02:47 PM
1. Get rid of it.

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Well, that was easy....

Quantum
21st May 2010, 03:52 PM
<s>1. Get rid of it.</s>


Are you willing to give refunds to the penny for all the insurance premiums paid in?

The solution to the Social Security problem is quite easy:

1) Get rid of the Pentagon, the CIA, the DHS, the NSA, and the rest of the "security" apparatii. That's where all the SS trust fund money went.

Apparition
21st May 2010, 04:11 PM
1. Get rid of it.

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Well, that was easy....



Exactly.

And, I'd like to add, return the income to the income payers--if there's any remaining.

kregener
21st May 2010, 04:49 PM
Exactly.

And, I'd like to add, return the income to the income payers--if there's any remaining.


There is no money in the SS "Fund". It was bankrupted many years ago.

Saul Mine
21st May 2010, 04:55 PM
<s>1. Get rid of it.</s>


Are you willing to give refunds to the penny for all the insurance premiums paid in?

The solution to the Social Security problem is quite easy:

1) Get rid of the Pentagon, the CIA, the DHS, the NSA, and the rest of the "security" apparatii. That's where all the SS trust fund money went.


SS is not insurance. It consists of two things: a tax, which entitles you to nothing, and a welfare scheme carefully separated from the tax of the same name. There is no trust fund. None. Never was. The government wrote itself a stack of IOUs and spent the money.

That's not nice, but that is reality.

There is no way to "fix" social security, just as there is no way to fix a theft after the pickpocket has spent the loot.

1970 Silver Art
21st May 2010, 05:10 PM
1. Get rid of it.

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Well, that was easy....



There is a 13th way to fix Social Security....................

Get rid of it.

;D

Of course nobody in DC is going to get rid of or even try to fix Social Security. The Congress whores are not going to commit political suicide by touching the Social Security "third rail". In the end, it will not matter because it will not be there for me when if/when I reach "retirement" age. Even if SS miraculously "survived", it will not buy much of anything and that is assuming that the $ will be around in, for example, 20 years from now.

Fudup
21st May 2010, 06:23 PM
GW Bush wanted to try to reform SS, let the young opt out and put their money in funds in their names and invest in the stock market or other. The whole thing could have been phased out eventually.

All stripes of "politicians"(looters and pillagers) and "advocacy groups" (leeches) enlisted the media to have a complete cow about it. It may have been a half-assed idea and could probably have been corrupted in myriad ways, but it was an attempt that he got squashed on.

With taxes and fees as high as they are so that it makes it harder and harder to save. With the entitlement mentality enmeshed in the American way of life and psyche and how many poor retirees are entrapped by this lifeline wrapped around their throats by the looters and pillagers they helped elect.

Were just fucked.

The only way I can see to fix it, and this may sound harsh, is destroy (hang) the looters, pillagers, czars, leeches and media empires. Secure the government and gut most of it; declare all debt from the illegal government null; throw off the Federal Reserve; cut off SS to everyone under the age of 50; raise enough constitutional US currency as needed for the running of the country; tax and tarriff just enough to pay what we absolutely must have; take stock of what silver and gold are available to back our new (old) currency constitutionally.

As the current SS recipients expire, lower taxes by the amount that has been saved. Eventually SS will go away and those who are allowed to actually keep most of what they earn will be able to save enough for their own retirements, families will look out for each other, and charitable institutions can help the needy and poor again.

My plan isn't awesome, and probably has a bunch of flaws to work out, and it certainly has zero (0), NO chance of ever happening, but it would eliminate SS without immediately killing off anyone poor and dependant on it.

Ponce
21st May 2010, 06:44 PM
And that's why part of my plan behind the plan is to be self sufficient without the aid of SS, but of course my SS helps me to feed my cat :oo-->

I allready collected about four times what I put into it and because I intent to live to be 132 (unless I die first) what I will collect will be a winfall.

Fudup
21st May 2010, 06:50 PM
And that's why part of my plan behind the plan is to be self sufficient without the aid of SS, but of course my SS helps me to feed my cat :oo-->

I allready collected about four times what I put into it and because I intent to live to be 132 (unless I die first) what I will collect will be a winfall.


Did I mention means-testing? ;D :D :ROFL:

Olmstein
22nd May 2010, 04:36 AM
Are you willing to give refunds to the penny for all the insurance premiums paid in?

The solution to the Social Security problem is quite easy:

1) Get rid of the Pentagon, the CIA, the DHS, the NSA, and the rest of the "security" apparatii. That's where all the SS trust fund money went.


Nice to see our resident socialist is back.

mtnman
22nd May 2010, 08:58 AM
1. Get rid of it.

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Well, that was easy....



I'm all for that, just give me back all the money they stole from me plus interest and then we can "Get rid of it"!

kregener
22nd May 2010, 04:44 PM
Therein lies the problem. Everybody wants their little slice of socialism.

I would forfeit every dime I have ever paid into it to see it die a quick death.

Ponce
22nd May 2010, 05:40 PM
Fudup? yes, three times..........once at 17, at 22 and at 27......and all three times I came back for more hahahahahah.

At 17 = landed on my heat

At 22 = land mine

At 27 = operating table, motor bike accident.

Bobthetomato
22nd May 2010, 06:25 PM
Are you willing to give refunds to the penny for all the insurance premiums paid in?

No....someone will get screwed. As a 30 year old I am willing to get zero out of it for all I have paid in if it means my kids wont get hit with the ponzi scheme.