German Torpedo Sank S. Korean Ship

[Large Sarge]

(Israel has about 3 German Submarines)


http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507

Probe concludes torpedo sank South Korea ship: report
SEOUL
Thu May 6, 2010 10:19pm EDTRelated NewsKim committed to denuclearisation: report
Thu, May 6 2010SEOUL (Reuters) - Investigators probing the deadly sinking of a South Korean navy ship in March near the North have concluded that a torpedo was the source of an explosion that destroyed the vessel, a news report said on Friday.

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The team of South Korean and foreign investigators found traces of explosives used in torpedoes on several parts of the sunken ship as well as pieces of composite metal used in such weapons, South Korea's Yonhap news agency said quoting a senior government official.

South Korean officials have not officially accused the North but made little secret of their belief Pyongyang deliberately torpedoed the 1,200-tonne corvette Cheonan in March near their disputed border in retaliation of a naval firefight last year.

The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying.

North Korea has denied involvement and accused South Korean President Lee Myung-bak's government of trying to use the incident for political gains ahead of local elections in June.

(Reporting by Jack Kim; editing by Jon Herskovitz and Sanjeev Miglani)

[J in AZ]

(Israel has about 3 German Submarines)




From www.whatreallyhappened.com

PLEASE POST THE FOLLOWING EVERYWHERE THE "BLAME KOREA" STORIES POP UP.

Now that the UN is asking for a look at the evidence for the sinking, the US is admitting the torpedo debris from the sinking comes from a GERMAN torpedo, but we are supposed to somehow assume that a German torpedo still points the finger of blame at North Korea.

Pop Quiz, students; what nation gets their submarines (for free) from Germany and has a long history of using false flag dirty tricks to trick other nations into wars?

Hint: Think "USS Liberty", "Lavon Affair", and the Bombing of Libya!

HISTORICAL NOTES ON HOW TO START WARS WITH SINKING SHIPS.

President McKinley told the American people that the USS Maine had been sunk in Havana Harbor by a Spanish mine.
The American people, outraged by this apparent unprovoked attack, supported the Spanish American War. The Captain of the USS Maine had insisted the ship was sunk by a coal bin explosion, investigations after the war proved that such had indeed been the case. There had been no mine.

FDR claimed Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack. It wasn't.
The United States saw war with Japan as the means to get into war with Germany, which Americans opposed. So Roosevelt needed Japan to appear to strike first. Following an 8-step plan devised by the Office of Naval Intelligence, Roosevelt intentionally provoked Japan into the attack. Contrary to the official story, the fleet did not maintain radio silence, but sent messages intercepted and decoded by US intercept stations. Tricked by the lie of a surprise attack, Americans marched off to war.

President Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to send Americans off to fight in Vietnam.
There were no torpedoes in the water in the Gulf. LBJ took advantage of an inexperienced sonar man's report to goad Congress into escalating the Vietnam War.

WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE.

DO NOT GET SUCKERED!

THE US GOVERNMENT IS DESPERATE FOR A WAR TO DISTRACT FROM THE CRASHING ECONOMY, THE ALREADY-LOST WARS IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, THE GULF OIL DISASTER AND THE CORRUPTION OF WALL STREET.

[Heimdhal]

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[Quantum]

The homosexual Jew Drudge ran a headline today "Kim ordered attack," but the substance of the article it linked to was the "US Government believes that Kim must have ordered the attack."

A German torpedo fired from a Jewland sub.

[Gangsta99]

Yes. Knew this was gonna come back on the Jews on this forum. F ucking ahey. If the Sun ever goes supernova it was the Jews right?

[Ponce]

Good, one Zionist in the open...........Gangsta? and what makes you think that it was not them? after "your" people are very famous for doing this in the past and the German torpedo does not fit the N Korean sub but it does fit the Israelis ones.

[Neuro]

This is certainly a game changer... It was not North Korea who did this, most likely. Most likely it was Israel... I didn't expect this!

Why on earth do they want war in Korea at this point? North Korea is one of few countries in the world who does have a central bank outside of the control of BIS, could that be the reason?

[Book]

Why on earth do they want war in Korea at this point?



While the goyim are distracted by this North Korea zio-false-flag job, Israel can nuke Iran and finish exterminating the Palestinians.

[Neuro]

Why on earth do they want war in Korea at this point?



While the goyim are distracted by this North Korea zio-false-flag job, Israel can nuke Iran and finish exterminating the Palestinians.


Yes but on the other hand, they could have use of US armed forces, that would be occupied with Korea, for the protection of Israel. It doesn't make sense to me... However the bankers could have decided on Korea first, Iran later...

[Gangsta99]

Good, one Zionist in the open...........Gangsta? and what makes you think that it was not them? after "your" people are very famous for doing this in the past and the German torpedo does not fit the N Korean sub but it does fit the Israelis ones.


Now I am a Zionist? I am just saying that it is hilarious how this board blames everything on them. I got banned a few times on GIM1 for speaking my views about Jews/Zionist/Etc. I know they are f ucking evil. I know they are behind what is destroying our country and directing us towards a NWO, but it is getting f ucking old that everything is being blamed on them Ponce on these boards. Show me the proof, because this forum is degrading pretty damn quickly.


Also I was pretty damn open about my background on the other boards. I am Irish Catholic, not a single ounce of Jew/Zionist/Khazar blood in me.

[Neuro]

Gangsta it really is Occams razor. What other country with German subs is most likely to want a false flag like this? Seeing the slow response of South Korea in this incident, it is very unlikely that they would be behind it. They are risking a gigantic blood spill with a war with NK...

[Gangsta99]

Neuro thank you for a reasonable response. I can agree with what you are saying. The thing I don't understand then is in this day and age why not make it look like then it was torpedos that NK would have used instead of something that they may not even have access to?

[Book]

I know they are f ucking evil. I know they are behind what is destroying our country and directing us towards a NWO...



...and yet you now demand censorship so that others, newbies, not be allowed to also know.

Yeah...right...lol.

:D

[Neuro]

Neuro thank you for a reasonable response. I can agree with what you are saying. The thing I don't understand then is in this day and age why not make it look like then it was torpedos that NK would have used instead of something that they may not even have access to?

The world is already convinced it was NK, and if you mention Israel you are an anti-Semite... Pure Chutzpah!

[Ponce]

Gangsta? my most sincere apology's......I'd rather be called a SOB than a Zionist.

Like Biker I know where you are coming from but most of the time I react before listening.........that's how much I "dislike" those people.......if they can be called "people".

[gunDriller]

Yes. Knew this was gonna come back on the Jews on this forum. F ucking ahey. If the Sun ever goes supernova it was the Jews right?


just a little sarcastic humor.

nothing wrong with that.

the Israeli's and the US are responsible for most of the major bad sh*t that goes on but other countries do their share.

of course, the US, Israel, England, etc. are often working with proxies, e.g. the US & Israel have their tentacles in Georgia.

when Putin attacked Georgia, he made sure to take out an air base Israel was using as a staging area for an attack on Iran ... i think. i read an article about it ... somewhere.

[croc]

reason,

look mr prime minister of japan, evil north korea, we need those bases in your country to protect you..see

[Quantum]

Yes. Knew this was gonna come back on the Jews on this forum. F ucking ahey. If the Sun ever goes supernova it was the Jews right?


Do you have an explanation as to why a German torpedo's parts were found in the wreckage?

[Libertarian_Guard]

Isn't it possible that N. Korea bought torpedo's and other military hardware from Germany? Or that N. Korea acquired such through a third party?

This must be far more likely than thinking another country was directly involved.

[Grand Master Melon]

The homosexual Jew Drudge ran a headline today "Kim ordered attack," but the substance of the article it linked to was the "US Government believes that Kim must have ordered the attack."

A German torpedo fired from a Jewland sub.


Whats your source for your Jew sub theory?

[Grand Master Melon]

Good, one Zionist in the open...........Gangsta? and what makes you think that it was not them? after "your" people are very famous for doing this in the past and the German torpedo does not fit the N Korean sub but it does fit the Israelis ones.
You own a North Korean sub? How do you know the capabilities of their subs?

[Quantum]

The homosexual Jew Drudge ran a headline today "Kim ordered attack," but the substance of the article it linked to was the "US Government believes that Kim must have ordered the attack."

A German torpedo fired from a Jewland sub.


Whats your source for your Jew sub theory?


Common sense. North Korea doesn't have German torpedoes. Few countries do (most use American or Soviet/Russian designs). Israel does (because they are free as "Holocaust reparations"). And Israel has the motive to conduct a false flag.

[Quantum]

Isn't it possible that N. Korea bought torpedo's and other military hardware from Germany? Or that N. Korea acquired such through a third party?

Chinese torpedoes are far easier to obtain by North Korea, and are just as effective in the context of what they use them for.

It would be as difficult to obtain German military hardware as German advanced computers...and the latter would be far more beneficial.

[Libertarian_Guard]

BBC claims that the torpedo was made in N. Korea ..........

It was crucial to find direct evidence of the type of weapon involved.

To that end the South Korean navy even designed its own special nets and they have been dragging them, up to eight times a day, across the seabed close to the site of the sinking.

Just five days ago, they found what they were looking for - the propellers, a propulsion motor and a steering section of a torpedo, a perfect match for a model known to be manufactured and exported by North Korea.

The markings, in Korean script, are said to be consistent with those on a previously obtained model.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10130909.stm

[rurounikitsune]

To no one in particular:

If your theory made any sense whatsoever, it would stand on its own merit, and you wouldn't have to slander everyone who questioned it.

[Large Sarge]

the obvious thing after any crime is to ask "cui bono"? (who benefits)?

how does N. Korea benefit from getting painted with this crime?

I said awhile back, if the reports are true, and they are doing a massive naval buildup on Iran (4-5 hundred percent increase),(in preparation for a strike) then they would need a distraction for China, because China has many ties with Iran.

a war w/ N Korea would constitute a good distraction for china

[Hermie]

Isn't it possible that N. Korea bought torpedo's and other military hardware from Germany? Or that N. Korea acquired such through a third party?

This must be far more likely than thinking another country was directly involved.




Why do you think it is "far more likely"?
It seems to me the possibility of false flag to incite war is just as likely.

[Grand Master Melon]

The homosexual Jew Drudge ran a headline today "Kim ordered attack," but the substance of the article it linked to was the "US Government believes that Kim must have ordered the attack."

A German torpedo fired from a Jewland sub.


Whats your source for your Jew sub theory?


Common sense. North Korea doesn't have German torpedoes. Few countries do (most use American or Soviet/Russian designs). Israel does (because they are free as "Holocaust reparations"). And Israel has the motive to conduct a false flag.
You been to North Korea lately? Surely you must live there since your so familiar with their arsenal.

[k-os]

While the goyim are distracted by this North Korea zio-false-flag job, Israel can nuke Iran and finish exterminating the Palestinians.


I doubt they're dumb enough to nuke their neighbor. That's just not smart, at all. Perhaps there is some other method of extermination, but I doubt nuking is the way.

[Large Sarge]

While the goyim are distracted by this North Korea zio-false-flag job, Israel can nuke Iran and finish exterminating the Palestinians.


I doubt they're dumb enough to nuke their neighbor. That's just not smart, at all. Perhaps there is some other method of extermination, but I doubt nuking is the way.


the jet stream would blow the fallout away from Israel

remember China kicked out Google, for data harvesting (spying)

part of google is based in Israel I believe

[jetgraphics]

Predators love it when sweeping generalizations are hurled. It makes for good camouflage.

{fill in the blank} bashing is music to their ears - because it distracts you from recognizing the true nature and cause. Better yet, the innocent within the bashed group will be persuaded that the bashers are THEIR ENEMY, instead of the predators hiding in their midst.

Divide and conquer, vanquish and destroy.

[General of Darkness]

Does NK have a sub?

[Serpo]

The Illuminati want the forces of the East to war with the West as part of their population reduction program. It is doubtful that Clinton's visit to China is anything more than a way to determine how this war is to be carried out. This is an interesting prophecy I found from a Mrs. Sols Guardisto made in 1923:

"I saw next international war break out with its center upon the Pacific Ocean, but sweeping and encircling the whole globe. I saw that the opposing forces were roughly divided by so-called Christianity on one side, and by the so-called followers of Mohammed and Buddha upon the other. I saw the great driving power within these so-called Christian Nations was the Great Apostasy in all its political, social, and religious aspects. I saw the world-wide dislocation and devastation of production and slaughter of people occur more swiftly and upon a larger scale than ever before...

I saw the international world war automatically break down, and national revolutions occur in every country and complete the work of chaos and desolation. I saw geological disturbances occur, which helped in this work as if it were intended to do so. I saw the international boundary line disappear as these two governments (Canada-US) broke up and dissolved into chaos. I saw race rioting upon this American continent on a vast scale.

I saw hunger and starvation in this world granary of the American continent sweep off vast numbers of the conflicting elements. I saw disease produced by hunger, strife, and chaos complete the end of this present order or epoch…" (Source)


This revelation was given in 1923, yet it eerily predicts our current situation and foretells our likely future. War creates hardship and chaos. Chaos leads to violent revolution. The Russian Revolution resulted from the country's involvement in World War I. The French revolution resulted from the ongoing wars between France and England. The American revolution from the same causes.

"Out of Chaos, Order" is the Illuminati mantra. The Phoenix rising up from the ashes of a ruined world. A world destroyed by war and violent revolution. Yet, this time, they will not be able to control the flames they have kindled. The plan of destruction they have so carefully pieced together for humanity will ultimately engulf both them and their minions


http://moneyteachers.org/Korea.htm

[Libertarian_Guard]

Does NK have a sub?



How South Korean ship was sunk

They were clear evidence that the weapon used with such devastating effect was a 1.7 ton torpedo with a net explosive weight of 250kg, and apparent proof of North Korea's involvement.

There is other evidence of course.

The investigation report says that a number of small submarines, escorted by a support ship, left a North Korean naval base in the Yellow Sea a few days prior to the attack and returned a few days after it took place.

The investigation itself was given an added air of impartiality by the presence of 24 foreign experts from America, Australia, Britain and Sweden. They are all said to support the conclusions reached.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10130909.stm


The subject of this thread is misleading, there was no German torpedo involved.

[jedemdasseine]

Any idea on when or if things escalate on the Korean peninsula?

[Large Sarge]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507

The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany, indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying.

[JohnQPublic]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507

The metallic debris and chemical residue appear to be consistent with a type of torpedo made in Germany,

This is likely a fact.




indicating the North may have been trying to disguise its involvement by avoiding arms made by allies China and Russia, Yonhap quoted the official as saying.


This is likely spin.

Sort of like "The price of gold went down today because investors were less risk averse."

The price of gold went down today = fact

because investors were less risk averse = spin

[Neuro]

BBC claims that the torpedo was made in N. Korea ..........

It was crucial to find direct evidence of the type of weapon involved.

To that end the South Korean navy even designed its own special nets and they have been dragging them, up to eight times a day, across the seabed close to the site of the sinking.

Just five days ago, they found what they were looking for - the propellers, a propulsion motor and a steering section of a torpedo, a perfect match for a model known to be manufactured and exported by North Korea.

The markings, in Korean script, are said to be consistent with those on a previously obtained model.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10130909.stm


Wow that is like finding the hijackers passport in the rubble...

[DMac]

Debunking the "Growing body of evidence" that it was a NK torpedo. Check this link and images.

North Korea is denying they shot this torpedo. Given their vocal saber rattling in the past, (they have fired upon South ships in the past and were quite honest about it) why lie now? Something stinks in the Yellow Sea and it isn't day old kim chee.

The Sinking of the Cheonan: We Are Being Lied To (http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-sinking-of-the-cheonan-we-are-being-lied-to/)

[jedemdasseine]

http://www.teachpeace.com/teachpeacemoment9_files/image007.jpg

[Libertarian_Guard]

Well there are two sides to every story. Time will tell. But I can't believe we (U.S. and S.Korea) would be dumb enough to think we pull off a stunt like this, and have the Chicoms fall for it, with potentially forcing nuclear war in China's backyard.

We may not know the whole story, but I see no evidence of Israel being involved.

[JDRock]

I know they are f ucking evil. I know they are behind what is destroying our country and directing us towards a NWO...



...and yet you now demand censorship so that others, newbies, not be allowed to also know.

Yeah...right...lol.

Game-Set-Match goes to Book. :sun:

:D

[Large Sarge]

We all need to watch for movements of chinese troops / assets

The Chinese now own/control the panama canal

watch for flare ups or conflagrations

[goldmonkey]

Does NK have a sub?


The DPRK's (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea)
attack submarine inventory is estimated to include 4
former Soviet WHISKEY Class, 22 Chinese ROMEO Class, and
DPRK-built ROMEO Class submarines. The WHISKEYs, acquired in
the 1960s, can carry 12 torpedoes or 24 mines. Shortly after delivering
four ROMEOs in the early 1970s, China helped the DPRK start its own
ROMEO construction program. The ROMEOs are well equipped, have
an improved sonar, and can carry 14 torpedoes or 28 mines.

http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/nkor.pdf

[Heimdhal]

Does NK have a sub?


The DPRK's (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea)
attack submarine inventory is estimated to include 4
former Soviet WHISKEY Class, 22 Chinese ROMEO Class, and
DPRK-built ROMEO Class submarines. The WHISKEYs, acquired in
the 1960s, can carry 12 torpedoes or 24 mines. Shortly after delivering
four ROMEOs in the early 1970s, China helped the DPRK start its own
ROMEO construction program. The ROMEOs are well equipped, have
an improved sonar, and can carry 14 torpedoes or 28 mines.

http://www.dia.mil/publicaffairs/Foia/nkor.pdf



and do any of them fire modern, german made torpedos?