A serious question for this board.

[JohnQPublic]

I just watched an interview of Gerald Celente by Max Keiser (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/max-keiser-and-gerald-celente-deconstruct-financial-fraud). Gerald said in reference to him not being anti-semitic that his staff joked bout him being the "token goy". It si a good interview, BTW.

Another organization that shares many viewpoints of this board, and that puts forth a gentile, but is largely Jewish is the Lyndon Larouche organization. Other than Lyndon Larouche and Helga Zepp, most of the top people are Jewish. Of course the neocons are purported to do the same (I.e., Hannity and Colmbes, O'Reilly, etc.) , but they don't share most of the basic viewpoint of this board.

Now both Larouche (organizing at Columbia University in the 60s and 70s) and Celente (opreating in NY I believe) are in the center of Jewish thought in this country.

Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?

I am not pandering nor lecturing, this is a serious question. I see Celente and crowd as being very influential in the interpretation of the doom and gloom now occuring. Larouche has similar views (and solutions) to Celente. Neither are Libertarians for sure (Celente is calling for a Left- Libertarian alliance, which is quite possible), but both seem to be on top of what is happening.

Another interesting twist on Larouche is that he is pretty anti-masonic (especially southern district Scottish rite, he does pander to other masons at times). He is also anti-gnostic, but I do not see the same fervor of anti-Kabbalism. In fact his support for Kepler's mystical theories (reninterpreted as true science through the Platonic solids) does seem a little kabbalistic. I am not talking about support for elliptical orbits of planets, which is observable, but the more mystical geometric, numerological interpretations that Kepler held to. Also, his self declared nemesis, Leibniz, did dabble in kabbalism.

Thoughts?

[philo beddoe]

The La Rouche idiots that show up outside the grocery store are obnoxious. They call for a new FDR style central bank (like we don't already have one?) They are also multicultural and for open borders. Celente, he is it still up in the air. Libertarianism is a joke.

[EE_]

We are obviously being herded into some direction of their design.
Trust no one, like Gerald says "think for yourself".
Prepare to fight, prepare to survive!

[Large Sarge]

DBS interviewed Celente years ago, Celente is willing to talk about "likely outcomes" but not criminals

Celente cut him off anytime Daryl would start "in my research, I have found all the top members belong to a certain group..."

Here is the link for it

http://iamthewitness.com/archive.php?dir=audio%2FGerald.Celente%2F

Celente is confronted with it, and avoids it

as to why?

I am not that familiar with Larouche, he seems to get somethings correct.

I believe Hypertiger knows a bit about him

[philo beddoe]

Celente and Kaiser both have useful information. They also both ramble on too long and usually won't let their hosts get a word in.

[Horn]

LaRouche is a politician first and foremost. Now if the people of the U.S. wanted to salvage what was left of it and make a go at it his would be the only route left. It would be good for "them" to have that group fully infiltrated by usurpers to begin with. Or if LaRouche bypassed the first row of royalty, there will always be another "unseated" faction waiting in the wings.

That doesn't mean if his views on history & what's actually occurring aren't correct & shouldn't have a more urgent response from Washington.

Celente seems genuine to me, and doesn't fully support an FDR style overhaul as LaRouche is not a politician though.

But afterall, isn't that what we were all expecting from the Obamanator to begin with?

Only to find that his close association with such "currently seated" royalty has lead to much of the same ongoing destruction of the U.S.

[General of Darkness]

Stop mincing words, what's the question?

[JohnQPublic]

Stop mincing words, what's the question?


"Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?"

[Twisted Titan]

We are obviously being herded into some direction of their design.
Trust no one, like Gerald says "think for yourself".
Prepare to fight, prepare to survive!


Quoted for Truth


T

[Quantum]

Jesus Christ had a problem with Talmudism, not "Zionism."

The "traditions of the elders" Christ condemned were later written down, and are now called the Babylonian Talmud. Christ also identified the Pharisees as "sons of their father the Devil." The Pharisees were founders of the religion of "Judaism," not just "Zionism," and founded their ideology upon the "traditions of the elders" (the Talmud).

Hence, I have a problem with Jews that are consistent with, and anything Jewish that is consistent with the Babylonian Talmud.

If a Jew becomes an honest Christian, then he is my friend and ally. Nathanael Kapner comes to mind. If a Jew is an agnostic and tries to live a life of respect for others, then he is not my enemy. Bobby Fischer comes to mind.

However, most Jews want to adhere to an ethnic identity that is sourced from the Talmud, not the Bible, and, even if not very "religious," identify with the Master Race ideology of Judaism. These are not my friends, and are God's enemies.

[Quantum]

Libertarianism is a joke.


Libertarianism is a satanic menace.

Liberty comes from God. I don't believe I've ever met a "Libertarian" who believes in God and acknowledges His authority. "Libertarians" peddle the disinformation that "all rights stem from property rights," and that is absolutely not true. All rights stem from God, and God owns all things in this universe. We have the privilege to use many of these things in our lifetimes. A worldview centered on private property is parallel to one centered on ego, and Satanism is egoism. Hence, it is not unreasonable to claim "Libertarianism" is a twin of Satanism.

Most of the ideological sources for "Libertarianism" are Jewish, not the least of which is the Jewess "Ayn Rand."

[General of Darkness]

Stop mincing words, what's the question?


"Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?"


It's pretty simple from my perspective. There are good people, and there are bad people. The jews as a percentage of their population should be deemed aggressors against the human race, particularly the white race. Now regarding LaCrouche and Celente, I find their commentaries both interesting and informative, and they tend to provide enough information that allows me to pull the next layer of the onion away on my own. I hope that explains my position.

[jedemdasseine]

There's a gatekeeper aspect to it.

Max Keiser, on the one hand, knows finance and Wall Street very well, and he's willing to discuss market dynamics in a candid and detailed way that few others are willing to or can do. But on the other hand, he deludes with his politics.

Celente, for example, covers a wide range of media, from mainstream cable news and AM radio to the internet radio shows like Financial Sense and Gold Seek. But he parrots the same message over and over. He's like the Ron Paul of "trends research," or whatever fancy term he uses. But there's always that one topic he avoids.

The disaffected and dissatisfied in the US are many. They're being herded by people who champion their frustrations, thereby giving meaning to their pain. Yet they're herded away from specific topics of discussion and towards other designated thought-prisons, such as the Tea Party movement and libertarianism.

I have no idea who has ulterior motives, and I think most of them don't, but it doesn't matter. What matters is the end result. And the end result is that although yes, many more people are learning about the Federal Reserve and self-sufficiency, that's a price the Top is willing to pay to keep the spotlight off them. They tend to mix and mingle: talmudists, freemasons, occultists, zionists, and the various combinations thereof.

Are Keiser and Celente part of the conspiracy? Only insofar as they're funded and promoted, whereas many, many other commentators who you've never heard of are ignored or worse.

One clue to look for is seeing who advocates diversity.

[JohnQPublic]

Stop mincing words, what's the question?


"Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?"


It's pretty simple from my perspective. There are good people, and there are bad people. The jews as a percentage of their population should be deemed aggressors against the human race, particularly the white race. Now regarding LaCrouche and Celente, I find their commentaries both interesting and informative, and they tend to provide enough information that allows me to pull the next layer of the onion away on my own. I hope that explains my position.


What I find interesting about Larouche's organization, is that they try to make the British to be the true Jews, i.e., they blame most geopolitical and financial problems at their feet (supposedly originating from Venice). Now ther may be some truth to this, but I find it interesting that an organization made mainly of Jews is pointing to the British as the source of problems (and the history of the UK is full of Jewish interactions of course).

And of course, Larouche has been called antisemitic many times (Jeffrey Steinberg says that the solution to this in his case is that the ADL would call him a "self hating jew").

[Quantum]

Celente and Kaiser both have useful information. They also both ramble on too long and usually won't let their hosts get a word in.


I should already know the answer to this, but I don't.

Is Max Keiser a Jew or a German? If Jewish, he's definitely a renegade Jew, like Norman Finkelstein, revering Truth far more than Talmudic mythology.

[Ponce]

By Mr. Public = Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here?

STOP making the same mistake that most people are making.........instead of saying ANTI-JEWISH you should say ANTI-ZIONIST, once that everyone learns the difference between the two then 90% of the problem will be gone.

[Quantum]

instead of saying ANTI-JEWISH you should say ANTI-ZIONIST


Zionism is about 125 years old.

Judaism is almost two millennia old.

The Jews have been a problem to the world since before they killed Jesus Christ.

[Ponce]

Quantum? you are right..........but now days when they talk about "Jews" they are really talking about the Zionist............and that's one thing that the Zionist wants, that when you think about them you think of them as Jews instead of Khazar-European-Zionists-Neocon wanabe Jew.

[Book]

Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a separation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?



http://miscellany101.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dead-family-gaza.jpg

A few "Zionist Christians" here are even more rabid against the Palestinian people than real Jews. Try and explain that one. Does a Palestinian care whether it is a "Jew" or a "Zionist" that steals his land and murders his family? We witness no real widespread protest by American Jews against Zionist Jews. Zionist Jews own America now with the explicit or implicit help of most American Jews:

:oo-->

[Horn]

What I find interesting about Larouche's organization, is that they try to make the British to be the true Jews, i.e., they blame most geopolitical and financial problems at their feet (supposedly originating from Venice). Now ther may be some truth to this, but I find it interesting that an organization made mainly of Jews is pointing to the British as the source of problems (and the history of the UK is full of Jewish interactions of course).

And of course, Larouche has been called antisemitic many times (Jeffrey Steinberg says that the solution to this in his case is that the ADL would call him a "self hating jew").


But, then on the other hand he promotes what occurred directly after the re-alliance with WWII & zionism,
Go figure?

The obvious loose alliance with all three members, Israel, U.S. & the U.K. are played off one another so as not to indicate either as guilty of the zionism which they propound daily.

I believe LaRouche is genuine in his thoughts on the matter, but is quite involved with secondary tier of European royalty. which will eventually recycle, or push communism front & center.

So we shall still grasp at the boot of those royally empowered.

[philo beddoe]

Celente and Kaiser both have useful information. They also both ramble on too long and usually won't let their hosts get a word in.


I should already know the answer to this, but I don't.

Is Max Keiser a Jew or a German? If Jewish, he's definitely a renegade Jew, like Norman Finkelstein, revering Truth far more than Talmudic mythology.
He could have semitic blood. He does not hesitate to knock Israel.

[Horn]

I wouldn't make it any harder to implicate such "wrong doings" as simply classifying an entire race as the guilty party.

Knowing full well that is virtually impossible to destroy an entire race of foot soldiers, especially when only one classified as mother need be saved to jump start the entire cycle again.

[gunDriller]

Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies?

Thoughts?

i talked to Chaitkin, LaRouche's history editor who is among other things a good history editor.

Chaitkin was feeding out disinfo that Zell Miller was going to stand with Alcee Hastings to stop the coronation of Bush43.

there's a legal procedure in our government where a Representative and a Senator can challenge an elector count, and raise all sorts of hell to make sure the votes are counted. Alcee Hastings from Florida stood for this and they needed a Senator.

anyway, based on those conversations, not just about Zell Miller but also about his biography, which writes the history of George HW Bush without saying a word about Israel, for sure Chaitkin behaves as if he represents Israel.

i haven't studied LaRouche enough. he went to jail for something minor, members of the Klub usually don't get sent to jail for little things.

one thing that LaRouche does is in his writing is to attribute the world's tribulations to British royalty, without mentioning Rothschild - or Israel. LaRouche acts in a manner that protects Israel.

[Saul Mine]

I am not pandering nor lecturing, this is a serious question.

I acknowledge that you are trying to present a serious question without excessive bias. But just the act of presenting a question is bias. Ask the wrong question, get a useless answer.

The choice we need to make is between right and wrong. The devil is not stupid so he does not offer that choice; he offers instead shades of rightness and wrongness, a flood of isms to analyze. We need to adopt a standard of rightness, but we are distracted by a thousand philosophies instead. The failure of mankind is that we prefer to analyze the distractions rather than demand rightness. "Thus saith the Lord!" cuts out all the distractions, but that is not a popular scene because it also cuts out our intellectual pursuits that we love so much, what the bible calls "the pride of life."

The devil has never changed his approach. He first questions the word of God. The next step is that we humans substitute our own logic, loosely based on a misremembered quotation of God's word. The devil then pronounces the logical conclusion of our clumsy philosophy, which is that God's word ain't so. And without God's word we have nothing but a flood of isms that have to be named and analyzed and argued about.

We don't need another discussion of this or that conspiracy. We need to learn God's word so we can pronounce "Thus saith the Lord" when we need it.

[Book]

one thing that LaRouche does is in his writing is to attribute the world's tribulations to British royalty, without mentioning Rothschild - or Israel. LaRouche acts in a manner that protects Israel.



Yep. There it is. Keep the distracted goyim looking "over there" while the tribe robs us blind.

:)

[JohnQPublic]

By Mr. Public = Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here?

STOP making the same mistake that most people are making.........instead of saying ANTI-JEWISH you should say ANTI-ZIONIST, once that everyone learns the difference between the two then 90% of the problem will be gone.


Sheesh, I appreciate your response, but I already included that option in my original question:

"Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?"

[JohnQPublic]

Libertarianism is a joke.


Libertarianism is a satanic menace.

Liberty comes from God. I don't believe I've ever met a "Libertarian" who believes in God and acknowledges His authority. "Libertarians" peddle the disinformation that "all rights stem from property rights," and that is absolutely not true. All rights stem from God, and God owns all things in this universe. We have the privilege to use many of these things in our lifetimes. A worldview centered on private property is parallel to one centered on ego, and Satanism is egoism. Hence, it is not unreasonable to claim "Libertarianism" is a twin of Satanism.

Most of the ideological sources for "Libertarianism" are Jewish, not the least of which is the Jewess "Ayn Rand."


This is an interesting point, because I believe that the amillenial interpretation of the Apocalypse hold a key to understanding a lot of histroy since Christ. I also believe that Christ is the source of all political power. The problem is getting well meaning atheists and agnostics (and those of other religions) to be able to see that. They can see alot of truth, because a lot of what is happening does not require revelation from God to understand. But to understand the action of the beast of the apocalypse (an agency acting through the world and its institutions to with the sole mission being to destroy Christianity) does require some faith in Christ.

The issue with the property argument fundamentally is that it reduces everything to materialism. Materialism is a deception which weakens man's faith for God by substituting atoms etc. (this is not to say that atoms do not exist, but they do not define existence).

[JohnQPublic]

Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a separation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?



http://miscellany101.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dead-family-gaza.jpg

A few "Zionist Christians" here are even more rabid against the Palestinian people than real Jews. Try and explain that one. Does a Palestinian care whether it is a "Jew" or a "Zionist" that steals his land and murders his family? We witness no real widespread protest by American Jews against Zionist Jews. Zionist Jews own America now with the explicit or implicit help of most American Jews:

:oo-->






I agree in this sense. And this leads to a much bigger issue. Let us say for the sake of argument that it is the zionists that are the problem. There are very few of them. Who carries out their plans? Who administers their policies? Everyone else does. This is the deception.

[Horn]

one thing that LaRouche does is in his writing is to attribute the world's tribulations to British royalty, without mentioning Rothschild - or Israel. LaRouche acts in a manner that protects Israel.



Yep. There it is. Keep the distracted goyim looking "over there" while the tribe robs us blind.

:)


Politician being the keyword here, denouncing Israel & the jew is political suicide for any of them. That doesn't necessarily mean they are siding or protecting them.

[JohnQPublic]

What I find interesting about Larouche's organization, is that they try to make the British to be the true Jews, i.e., they blame most geopolitical and financial problems at their feet (supposedly originating from Venice). Now ther may be some truth to this, but I find it interesting that an organization made mainly of Jews is pointing to the British as the source of problems (and the history of the UK is full of Jewish interactions of course).

And of course, Larouche has been called antisemitic many times (Jeffrey Steinberg says that the solution to this in his case is that the ADL would call him a "self hating jew").


But, then on the other hand he promotes what occurred directly after the re-alliance with WWII & zionism,
Go figure?

The obvious loose alliance with all three members, Israel, U.S. & the U.K. are played off one another so as not to indicate either as guilty of the zionism which they propound daily.

I believe LaRouche is genuine in his thoughts on the matter, but is quite involved with secondary tier of European royalty. which will eventually recycle, or push communism front & center.

So we shall still grasp at the boot of those royally empowered.




Chip Berlet accuses Larouche of being allied to old facist forces in Europe. Some of the details of what Berlet says about Larouche are true. But Berlet himself does not pass the smell test. As with anything, he has an agenda, and tells some truth.

[Ponce]

You say "very few of them"........come on now.......90% of all so called "jews" are a Khazar wanabe Jew.

Even in the state of Israel the 10% of the Semite Jews from the Bible are treated as a minority and at the mercy of the Zionist.......and that's why many of them comes to the US.

[philo beddoe]

Stop mincing words, what's the question?


"Do you see a conflict with this and much of the anti-Jewish sentiment held by members here? Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies? Or do you see a seperation based more on zionism rather than "jewishness" (whatever that is in this period)?"
La Rouche; definitely Celente; maybe
I'd have to say JBS is on the same plane as LaRouche; deflect from the joos

[JohnQPublic]

Do you see Larouche and Celente more as agents of the same Jewish conspiracies?

Thoughts?

i talked to Chaitkin, LaRouche's history editor who is among other things a good history editor.

Chaitkin was feeding out disinfo that Zell Miller was going to stand with Alcee Hastings to stop the coronation of Bush43.

there's a legal procedure in our government where a Representative and a Senator can challenge an elector count, and raise all sorts of hell to make sure the votes are counted. Alcee Hastings from Florida stood for this and they needed a Senator.

anyway, based on those conversations, not just about Zell Miller but also about his biography, which writes the history of George HW Bush without saying a word about Israel, for sure Chaitkin behaves as if he represents Israel.

i haven't studied LaRouche enough. he went to jail for something minor, members of the Klub usually don't get sent to jail for little things.

one thing that LaRouche does is in his writing is to attribute the world's tribulations to British royalty, without mentioning Rothschild - or Israel. LaRouche acts in a manner that protects Israel.


I read the Unauthorized Biography of George Bush. Overall it was a pretty powerful work. It seemed to provide evidence that Prescott Bush signed the bank papers at Union Bank of NY that released funds to the National Socialist Party allowing them to take over Germany.

I was also in Washington DC at the convention when Larouche made his first appearance after being released from jail. I was being recruited by the Larouche organization, and was told it would be really worth attending (I asked if he would be there, they could not say, and he ended up being there) . It was interesting. This occured at a period of time where I really started to understand that things were going very wrong in our country and the world. Larouche was the only publicly accessible figure at the time (that I could find) that actually seemed to have something substantial to say. What I did not like is that they were always right, and there was no other way.

I looked a Libertarianism, and even spent a lot of time talking to a local Libertarian candidate. The ideology was very simple to follow (government bad and inefficient, private markets good and efficient, society can exist without law and order- will police itself, Use shame, the Irish did it, etc., etc.). I felt it was too simple. I still think there may some good ideas in the "moderate wing" of the Libertarian party (i.e., those who call for strict adhrerence to the constitution like Ron Paul), but I think other parties may represent that better (LLike the American Constitutional Partybut they are not powerful enough to do anything).

[JohnQPublic]

You say "very few of them"........come on now.......90% of all so called "jews" are a Khazar wanabe Jew.

Even in the state of Israel the 10% of the Semite Jews from the Bible are treated as a minority and at the mercy of the Zionist.......and that's why many of them comes to the US.


I meant there are very few zionists relative to non-zionists.

[Horn]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.

Who knows what LaRouches real intentions are, or if he even knows fully?

But ones things for sure the "United Kingdom" needs to be sunk once & for all if not for anything but to be given a different name. :)

[Large Sarge]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.

Who knows what LaRouches real intentions are, or if he even knows fully?

But ones things for sure the "United Kingdom" needs to be sunk once & for all if not for anything but to be given a different name. :)








rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)

[Book]

rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)




http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/charles.jpg

In the post above Horn asserts that Prince Charles is the real genius mastermind and Rothschilds just stupid bookkeepers of The Crown...lol.

:D

[Horn]

rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)




http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/charles.jpg

In the post above Horn asserts that Prince Charles is the real genius mastermind and Rothschilds just stupid bookkeepers of The Crown...lol.

:D


The part that makes it so obvious Book, is that you've fallen for Oz's smoke screen hooked nose, line, and sinker.

While a jew may be an obvious sign of zionism, I'm sorry that all other historical evidence points to European royal financers being chiefly in charge.

[Hypertiger]

"Lyndon LaRouche: There are two topics which I shall address today, apart from what I shall treat, as questions come in, as I respond to those questions. The first will be on the immediate crisis. The second will be on what we do, if we succeed in installing the policy which is needed to deal with this crisis. The first part is elementary, and the second part is scientific.

Now, we have a piece of legislation, in the form of an amendment, and there's some other legislation around it, in the Congress. It's legislation sponsored by a group of leading Republicans and Democrats, who are determined that this policy of Obama's shall not go through: that the legislation, as Obama intends, will be blocked, and he will fail. And this may probably be the actual approach to the end of his run as President.

Now, what has happened is not a domestic U.S. affair�it is a domestic U.S. affair, but it's not, in nature, a domestic U.S. affair. What has happened is, the entire British system�the British system is not the British monarchy, though the British monarchy itself is a part of that system; it's the international financial system, which is under the leadership of Jacob Rothschild as an agent of the British monarchy. The core of this thing is called the Inter-Alpha Group.

Now, the Inter-Alpha Group's chief victim, officially, is the euro: All the nations which are part of the euro, are the first target of disaster. However, the controlling feature of this euro system has been, since the end of 1989, the British system. The euro system is a puppet of the British Empire. The most powerful influence in the British Empire, financially, has been centered in the group called the Inter-Alpha Group, with many different kinds of extensions, whose power is located largely among the pirates of the Caribbean.

For example, the people who own Russia today, financially, have their headquarters in the Caribbean�and they are pirates. Their offices are there. And the Russian economy is presently controlled by pirates of the Caribbean, some of whom speak Russian�for example, in Antigua, you can't get a hotel room if you don't have a Russian accent. So, that's the nature of the situation."

The above from his may 8th webcast (http://www.larouchepac.com/webcasts/20100508.html)

Been watching him closely for 8 years and his fingering of Redshield is new.

[Book]

I'm sorry that all other historical evidence points to European royal financers be chiefly in charge.



Ok. Post this "evidence".

;D

[JohnQPublic]

The real question is what is Charles packing in the royal right sock?

[greenbear]

Prince Charles had better watch it. Peeping out of his right sock on the front page of today’s Daily Telegraph is the gleaming pommel of a Sgian Dubh (pronounced Skeen Doo).

Gordon Brown will know that the Sgian Dubh is a ceremonial knife worn by kilt-wearing Scots as part of their national dress.

Charles is safe with his Sgian Dubh in his armchair in the Castle of Mey in the north of Scotland.

But if he heads south of Gretna Green he faces being prosecuted after the Prime Minister ordered that there should be a presumption of prosecution for people caught with knives.

And if he pleads not guilty new guidelines say he should to go to jail. Well at least he will be staying at Her Majesty’s Pleasure.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/christopherhope/4891977/Prison_for_Prince_Charles_if_knife_in_sock_passes_ into_England/


http://wa2.images.onesite.com/blogs.telegraph.co.uk/user/sarah_marcus/charles.jpg

[Book]

The real question is what is Charles packing in the royal right sock?


Wow. Greenbear nailed it. Sometimes this forum is quite amazing!

:D

[Quantum]

I read the Unauthorized Biography of George Bush. Overall it was a pretty powerful work. It seemed to provide evidence that Prescott Bush signed the bank papers at Union Bank of NY that released funds to the National Socialist Party allowing them to take over Germany.


I don't dispute that the Bush Crime Family supported both sides in World War II, but this "release of funds" to the NSDAP is very simplistic. The NSDAP's funding came, by and large, from the common German people, as several studies have demonstrated (the history of the NSDAP is an open book, since Germany lost).

The Third Reich was a wildcard that "the West" (that is, the Jews and their Goyish allies) aimed to control. Hitler was not a problem until he neutralized the banks, and only then did he become a problem. Other than this, he was "just another dictator," like the many "the West" did and does business with. Hitler & National Socialism have continued to be demonized since they stand for a potential solution to the World's Foremost Problem. Without the Jewish banking factor in relation to Hitler and National Socialism, they'd just be details of history, like Napoleon.

[Quantum]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.


The only "European royalty" of importance is from the House of Rothschild. The House of "Windsor" (really, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha) is a red herring. The Vatican, too, is completely controlled by God's enemies, since at least Vatican II.

[Quantum]

While a jew may be an obvious sign of zionism, I'm sorry that all other historical evidence points to European royal financers being chiefly in charge.


You can believe in idiot theories from David Icke, Larouche, or whomever else about "the world is run by the British crown."

I'll continue to believe Jesus Christ, who said the Devil, and his children, are running this world. He told us who the Devil's children are: the Jews who adhere to the Babylonian Talmud.

The puzzle is never solved until you put the hook-nosed piece into place.

[Horn]

While a jew may be an obvious sign of zionism, I'm sorry that all other historical evidence points to European royal financers being chiefly in charge.


You can believe in idiot theories from David Icke, Larouche, or whomever else about "the world is run by the British crown."

I'll continue to believe Jesus Christ, who said the Devil, and his children, are running this world. He told us who the Devil's children are: the Jews who adhere to the Babylonian Talmud.

The puzzle is never solved until you put the hook-nosed piece into place.


Funny, You'd think the Devil himself would have one the largest corporations and black blood producers in the world all sealed up to himself by now?

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/snapshots/6388.html

[greenbear]

Jesus Christ had a problem with Talmudism, not "Zionism."

The "traditions of the elders" Christ condemned were later written down, and are now called the Babylonian Talmud. Christ also identified the Pharisees as "sons of their father the Devil." The Pharisees were founders of the religion of "Judaism," not just "Zionism," and founded their ideology upon the "traditions of the elders" (the Talmud).

Hence, I have a problem with Jews that are consistent with, and anything Jewish that is consistent with the Babylonian Talmud.

If a Jew becomes an honest Christian, then he is my friend and ally. Nathanael Kapner comes to mind. If a Jew is an agnostic and tries to live a life of respect for others, then he is not my enemy. Bobby Fischer comes to mind.

However, most Jews want to adhere to an ethnic identity that is sourced from the Talmud, not the Bible, and, even if not very "religious," identify with the Master Race ideology of Judaism. These are not my friends, and are God's enemies.


The problem is that you inadvertently describe yourself, as well; as a pseudo-physical Israelite/ exculsively Adamic race. Do you not know that your Satans's seed theory of the Jews is nothing more than a switcharoo of the Kabbalistic teaching of the same toward the goyim? In your hate you have become like the hated.

[Horn]

The above from his may 8th webcast (http://www.larouchepac.com/webcasts/20100508.html)

Been watching him closely for 8 years and his fingering of Redshield is new.


I created a thread something similar a couple weeks back, I don't think there was one response from the board.

Too busy chasing the elusive jewish meatshield, I guess?

Thanks for the link, hypertiger? ,,,

Should be enough history for book in that link.

[Horn]

US Senate votes for new 'Glass-Steagall Act'

Wall Street banks face the biggest shake-up to the way they do business in more than 70 years after the US Senate voted through a sweeping financial reform package.


By a margin of 59 to 39, US senators backed legislature that will transform the way US banks operate and forever change large parts of the financial markets.

Speaking after the vote, President Barack Obama said the reforms would mean "the American people will never be asked to foot the bill for Wall Street's mistakes".

He added: "There will be no more taxpayer-funded bail-outs – period. If a large financial institution should ever fail, we will have the tools to wind it down without endangering the broader economy."

Before the new bill can take effect there will first be a merging process to combine the laws with measures approved late last year by the US House of Representatives. However, there is little chance of any significant watering down of the rules.

Among the most significant reforms in the bill – which is being hailed as the new Glass-Steagall Act, which separated commercial and investment banking in 1933 – are rules that will force US banks to split off major parts of their operations, including much of their derivatives business, as well as their private equity arms.

Banks will also be required to hold much larger capital reserves against potential losses, which is likely to depress their returns, while regulators will be handed tougher powers to compel firms to steer firms away from risky activities.

Doug Landy, head of the US regulatory practice of law firm Allen & Overy, called the measures a "second Glass-Steagall" and said they were "nothing short of a cradle to grave rethinking of the way the US banking industry will operate".

"This is transformational," he added. "Glass-Steagall similarly came at a time of economic upheaval, and what we have here is a package of reforms that really attacks the problem in the most holistic way we have yet seen."

The reform was sponsored by Chris Dodd, the Democrat chairman of the Senate banking committee, with the support of Harry Reid, Senate majority leader and also a Democrat senator.

Policymakers worldwide will be watching to see what the final bill looks like as financial reform tops the legislative agenda in many countries.

In Britain, the Government is in the process of putting together an independent commission that will investigate the possibility of splitting up UK banks, while the European Commission is in the middle of instituting a series of wide-ranging financial reforms.

On Tuesday, European finance ministers voted through stricter laws to govern the operations of hedge funds in the region, despite the objections of UK officials keen to protect what has been a highly lucrative industry for Britain, where more than 80pc of Europe's hedge funds are based.

"The US Congress was not making law for the rest of the world, but it's certain that the European Commission and other legislatures will have to take a look at this," said Mr Landy.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7750746/US-Senate-votes-for-new-Glass-Steagall-Act.html

LaRouche's push, I guess we'll find out. If Jerusalem becomes the international finance capitol of the world, will it matter?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbmrK1_2EIE

[Quantum]

The problem is that you inadvertently describe yourself, as well; as a pseudo-physical Israelite/ exculsively Adamic race. Do you not know that your Satans's seed theory of the Jews is nothing more than a switcharoo of the Kabbalistic teaching of the same toward the goyim? In your hate you have become like the hated.


Mine is the authentic. The Talmudic is the imitation. From the beginning, God has demanded "kind after its kind." The Talmudists teach the opposite...for Goyim. As do you.

[uranian]

i've never seen any of these MSM doomer-types make the barest mention of the actual root cause of the problem, i.e. fiat money lent at interest. while i find kaiser entertaining, i imagine both he and celente are leading the opposition, as it's not rocket science to understand that this is actually a monetary crisis at base. neither have i ever seen any of these guys make any real mention of any kind of working alternative to the extant system, while at least one (gessell's work on demurraged currencies) has historically proven to be very successful. hence i would conclude that neither of them are particularly honest, though that doesn't touch on the jewish question at all (which i think is more of a distraction and invitation to be divided and conquered than anything else).

[Horn]

The obvious loose alliance with all three members, Israel, U.S. & the U.K. are played off one another so as not to indicate either as guilty of the zionism which they propound daily.

After reviewing this thread, and the current global situation ie: British Passport debacle.

I still believe "they" play this wicked triangle as stated above for all it's worth.

LaRouche may simply be working for the other side of the wicked triangle.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f0bvyZMrZ9k/SaxGLffUWWI/AAAAAAAAAy0/VyzpxQ1-d7o/s400/lg_star_of_david_blue.jpg
Whether he acknowledges it, or not.

One things for sure though, I've seen him attack British before, maybe not the Rothchilds themselves as he did there, but the British, Yes. Still there is much to be read thru the lines in his speeches if you want some quick history.

British Slimeballs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTvaiW2g-Vw

1979, People must think he's wacked though, huh? ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3mfisTVKmE

[Hypertiger]

GOD is infinite and indestructible.

GOD has no enemy.

GOD does not depend upon humanity for anything.

Since GOD is the source of all power and that power is infinite and indestructible...to defeat GOD...greater than infinite and indestructible power is required.

No such power exists or will exist.

No attempt to defeat GOD can succeed or ever succeed.

[Ponce]

Please Mr Tiger, stop talking that way about me, is really embarrassing :)

[Horn]

GOD is infinite and indestructible.

GOD has no enemy.

GOD does not depend upon humanity for anything.

Since GOD is the source of all power and that power is infinite and indestructible...to defeat GOD...greater than infinite and indestructible power is required.

No such power exists or will exist.

No attempt to defeat GOD can succeed or ever succeed.


I'd have to say I agree with you there, now who is going to inform the top? :)

[JDRock]

There's a gatekeeper aspect to it.

Max Keiser, on the one hand, knows finance and Wall Street very well, and he's willing to discuss market dynamics in a candid and detailed way that few others are willing to or can do. But on the other hand, he deludes with his politics.

Celente, for example, covers a wide range of media, from mainstream cable news and AM radio to the internet radio shows like Financial Sense and Gold Seek. But he parrots the same message over and over. He's like the Ron Paul of "trends research," or whatever fancy term he uses. But there's always that one topic he avoids.

The disaffected and dissatisfied in the US are many. They're being herded by people who champion their frustrations, thereby giving meaning to their pain. Yet they're herded away from specific topics of discussion and towards other designated thought-prisons, such as the Tea Party movement and libertarianism.

I have no idea who has ulterior motives, and I think most of them don't, but it doesn't matter. What matters is the end result. And the end result is that although yes, many more people are learning about the Federal Reserve and self-sufficiency, that's a price the Top is willing to pay to keep the spotlight off them. They tend to mix and mingle: talmudists, freemasons, occultists, zionists, and the various combinations thereof.

Are Keiser and Celente part of the conspiracy? Only insofar as they're funded and promoted, whereas many, many other commentators who you've never heard of are ignored or worse.

One clue to look for is seeing who advocates diversity.


This is the essence of it imo.

[Hypertiger]

The top knows.

It's why they hire the bottom to do the fighting.

the just think positive ignore the negative religion.

the think fantasy ignore reality equation.

The embrace lies and delusion reject Truth equation at the core of the drone reasoning algorithm keeps the bottom busy trying to obtain salvation from Truth.

constantly searching for something you don't want to find.

The absolute capitalist hierarchical food powered make work enterprise is a lie...finite and fragile.

Truth is infinite and indestructible.

The enterprise requires ever greater power to fight Truth...ultimately it will require infinite and indestructible power to sustain the war against Truth.

At that point the lie requires Truth to sustain the continued existence of the lie since GOD is the only source of infinite and indestructible power...but that is revelation...the lie masquerading as Truth is revealed as a lie and self destructs.

In order for a lie to become Truth or defeat GOD and obtain absolute power over all and everything...greater than infinite and indestructible power is required.

Unfortunately there is no greater power than Truth.

The devout followers of the just think positive (embrace lies and delusion) ignore the negative (Truth) religion keep telling me...

If at first you don't succeed...try try again.

humanity has been busy the past 6000 or so years of recorded history try try trying again to defeat Truth.

The top knows.

It's why the top hires the bottom to do the fighting.

You all will continually slaughter each other attempting to reacquire what you never had to begin with or what you never will.

Salvation from Truth.

[MAGNES]

You have to sort everything out yourself, I would love to comment
directly on what many people here said. The information out there
is vast. All of the above have barely touched on major related issues.

Consider the very top funds and controls to a certain extent
the opposition, not just political, parties, people, etc, but organizations
and they all serve a purpose, they even fund their "enemies",
freedom loving people are not organized to defend themselves,
yet thousands get paid to screw with you, see Gaillo's sig.

All sorts of psychological operations are employed.
This refers to information control and manipulation.
How do you do it ? It can only be successful if some
truth is told. Who is the target, one the masses,
two the awake or semi-awake. You need different
gate keepers or "leaders" that fail when it counts,
for different groups.

Even politicians are targeted with different strategies
and information not seen, same with the military,
foreign governments, etc, etc .

Look at AFP, Bollyn, look at what AFP covers, why
was Bollyn hot ? 911 is the achilles heel of the Jew.
And people are still in power and they can go to jail.
What would be done if 10 % of the population knew
Israel and Jews killed Kennedy, nothing . Look at Lane,
a very sinister character, the official story of Jonestown
is a total lie, then you discover later that one of the
key players runs AFP.

Look at the Birch Society, on national TV their leader
came right out in the open and fingered the criminals,
then you have flight 007, Larry McDonald. Look it up.
The Birch Society is the controlled opposition, they
nixed Antony Sutton too.

Rockefeller and Rothchild at top, they created Hitler and the USSR.
People on both sides of the spectrum do not want to admit this.
Incredible information is out there.

What is their goal ?

In The Protocols, JDR has it right, and his sig once, you cannot
understand what is going on without reading them, they supply
our opposition and control it. They need an opposition to function.

The gov has lists of subscribers too, long time practice.
In foreign countries they take over, lists are handed to
the new bosses, people to murder, how do they get the
names, ? , Saddam did this for them too.

Look at gim , why is skyvike posting flypaper on masons and conspiracy.
He knows where it leads, why do it ? Constantly lying and deceiving
and disappearing people that know history and exposing the real criminals,
real names and orgs. If it was a lot of trouble for him why do it again ?

You have to sort everything out yourself and ask questions.

All roads lead to Rockefeller and Rothchild families.

And you have to have an open mind or you will never learn the truth.

Connecting some dots is key too.

And you need to consider the fact that nobody can tell the truth
outright without destroying themselves in the media and to the
masses.

Even blatant shills on forums concentrate on 9/11.
The truth is not on their side, this is why they look
like baffoons. Poisoning the well works on forums
too, discrediting by association, limited hangout,
"I admit 99% but that 1% the counts makes you
a moonbat." There are people on this forum that
do this. Masonic alliance, through action, creation of
nihilists, promoting apathy and confusion on a
personal level.

[Horn]

And you have to have an open mind or you will never learn the truth.


There are people on this forum that do this. Masonic alliance, through action, creation of nihilists, promoting apathy and confusion on a personal level.

Appreciate the good post, still sorting, one moment..

A level of concerned attention, and time has a lot to do with it.

For anyone to sort through the myriad of rabbit holes, and connecting of dots than relate that back as sentimentally coherent progression is more than should be required of anyone on such short posting notice.

The top/bottom, true/false paradigms are a proper display of this. It gets the most work done in this such media, without getting to know personally (or thru avatar/handles) the level at which others are in understanding.

But man, what a drag sometimes... :)

Sometimes things just need to be said or posted at the instance of thought, or from the quick draw hip/heart without concern as to how it might reflect on ones "internet persona". My feeling is that it empowers the instincts ability to read between the lines, or see the truth through the book's cover.




ps. quit calling people moonbats, you old coot.. ;)

[Hypertiger]

There is no such thing as... "the" Truth.

Just...Truth.

Once you discover Truth you will comprehend.

Until then you can use the above tip to identify those that have not discovered Truth.

The top of the hierarchy is invisible.

Truth is infinite and indestructible so it's irrelevant whether you agree or not.

[Horn]

True, and to be determined.

http://spasmicallyperfect.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/dead-end.jpg

[Awoke]

I was looking for a quote from TPATC regarding how the jew positions himself to work both sides of a conflict, but I stumbled across this and thought it was too important to not post. Sorry that it is not exactly want I was looking for, but the plot remains the same, and this is applicable.



The Jewish idea of accumulating all the money in the world through Communism appears in all transparency with many famous Jewish writers like Edmond Fleg, Barbusse, Andre Spire and others; in particular most expressly in the well-known letter that the famous new Messianer Baruch Levy sent to Karl Marx, which was discovered in the year 1888 and published for the first time in the same year. The text is as follows:

“The Jewish people as a whole is its own Messiah. Its kingdom over the universe is obtained through the uniting of the other human races, through the suppression of frontiers and of monarchies, which are bulwarks for particularism and hinder the erection of a world republic where citizenship is everywhere recognised to the Jew. In this new organisation of mankind, the sons of Israel, who at present are scattered over the entire earth surface, will all be of the same race and of the same traditional culture, without, however, forming another nationality, and will be without contradiction the leading element in all parts, particularly if it is successful in laying upon the masses of workers a permanent leadership by some Jews. The governments of peoples all pass with the formation of the universal republic effortlessly into the hands of the Israelites in favour of the victory of the proletariat. Then the personal property of the rulers will be able to be suppressed by the rulers of the Jewish race who will everywhere govern over the property of the Peoples. Then the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the time of the Messiah has come, the Jews will have the goods of all peoples of the world in their possession.�20

If one follows these tactics of economic accumulation, then it is completely natural that we see how the richest financiers and the most important bankers of the world finance the Communist revolutions; it is also not difficult, bearing in mind the data mentioned, to explain a situation, which superficially studied appears senseless and absurd, namely that one always sees the richest Jews of the world united with the Israelite leaders of the Communist movements. If the explanations of the most well-known Jews suffice to show us this close connection with clarity, then the evident facts are still all the clearer, so that they wipe away even the slightest trace of doubt.

[JohnQPublic]

I was looking for a quote from TPATC regarding how the jew positions himself to work both sides of a conflict, but I stumbled across this and thought it was too important to not post. Sorry that it is not exactly want I was looking for, but the plot remains the same, and this is applicable.



The Jewish idea of accumulating all the money in the world through Communism appears in all transparency with many famous Jewish writers like Edmond Fleg, Barbusse, Andre Spire and others; in particular most expressly in the well-known letter that the famous new Messianer Baruch Levy sent to Karl Marx, which was discovered in the year 1888 and published for the first time in the same year. The text is as follows:

“The Jewish people as a whole is its own Messiah. Its kingdom over the universe is obtained through the uniting of the other human races, through the suppression of frontiers and of monarchies, which are bulwarks for particularism and hinder the erection of a world republic where citizenship is everywhere recognised to the Jew. In this new organisation of mankind, the sons of Israel, who at present are scattered over the entire earth surface, will all be of the same race and of the same traditional culture, without, however, forming another nationality, and will be without contradiction the leading element in all parts, particularly if it is successful in laying upon the masses of workers a permanent leadership by some Jews. The governments of peoples all pass with the formation of the universal republic effortlessly into the hands of the Israelites in favour of the victory of the proletariat. Then the personal property of the rulers will be able to be suppressed by the rulers of the Jewish race who will everywhere govern over the property of the Peoples. Then the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the time of the Messiah has come, the Jews will have the goods of all peoples of the world in their possession.�20

If one follows these tactics of economic accumulation, then it is completely natural that we see how the richest financiers and the most important bankers of the world finance the Communist revolutions; it is also not difficult, bearing in mind the data mentioned, to explain a situation, which superficially studied appears senseless and absurd, namely that one always sees the richest Jews of the world united with the Israelite leaders of the Communist movements. If the explanations of the most well-known Jews suffice to show us this close connection with clarity, then the evident facts are still all the clearer, so that they wipe away even the slightest trace of doubt.



You should really read E. Michael Jone's book on the revolutionary Jew.

Also, I think communism is largely bypassed, and the enemy has morphed into other forms (maybe derivatives traders and hedge funds for instance). I think the enemy is not just certain Jews, but an agency referred to as the Beast of the Apocalypse in Revelations. Some Jews may fit into this moldel, but there are plenty of non-jews assisting the beast also. Naturalism and materialism are two of the current false religions used to deceive the world. Jews can fall into this trap because after 2000 years with no priesthood, they have fallen for many false messiahs (E. Michael Jones chronicles many of these events though history), and communism is only one (i.e., we will save ourselves through polical action).

[Awoke]

I have downloaded and saved a copy of that book, and will buy a hardcopy as well. Thanks for the link.

[Hypertiger]

The top invented the accounting system.

The purpose of the Police and military is to protect the top from the bottom...

To protect cause from consequence...

The easiest prey of the hunter gatherer is the farmer and the simplest operation is the protection scheme...

You are either with them or against them...

All money is decreed money...fiat...

The top says this is money...Or else...period end of story....

You Farmer are on the Land owned by the LORD of the land and will pay tribute to the LORD of 1 Gold coin a year...

Where do I get this GOLD coin?

You can take one short ton of grain to the grainery of the LORD and there you will be given a GOLD coin for it and then you can give the gold coin to the servant of the LORD...

What if I refuse?

Then the LORD will drive you from the Land that the LORD is the LORD of...

There you go...an abundant supply of free food to power your wildest hopes and dreams...Lies and delusions...

22 And the LORD said, Behold! The man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and also take from the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever,
23 The LORD sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground out of which he was taken.
24 And He drove the man out. And He lodged the cherubs at the east of the Garden of Eden, and the flaming sword whirling around to guard the way of the Tree of Life.

Well what is done with all that Food the tillers of the LORD's land give the LORD as Tribute?

It powers the Absolute capitalist Hierarchial food powered make work enterprise...

The city state...Or Civilization...

The thing you all popped into existence within...the thing you are in right now.

Allow me to take more of another's power than I give and I care not who makes the rules of the game you are all playing.

Because over time I will suck all the power from the hands of the many into the hands of the few or one and then those who have the power will make and break the rules of the game you are all playing.

Attaching interest to the medium of exchange at a rate greater than it is created will eventually concentrate it into the hands of the few or one from the many since when Interest or rent is attached to the medium of exchange that is taking more than you give.

To become rich in money and power....You must take more than you give.

The top becomes richer in power by taking more than they give from the bottom who become poorer in power by giving more than they take.

Taking more than you give is plundering...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together
in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal
system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

-Frederic Bastiat

The top sucks from the bottom.

There is no benevolent way to take more than you give.

There are billions below you in the hierarchy holding you up...billions you are taking more than you give from.

The top invented the thinking system or Religion as well...The just think positive ignore the negative religion...The embrace lies and delusion reject Truth equation at the core of the drone reasoning algorithm.

It's why the vast majority can't and the few trying refuse to see truth.

Because you are all searching for something you never want to find.

Dreaming you are awake and fighting to the day you cease to exist to stay asleep.

[FreeEnergy]

Prince Charles had better watch it. Peeping out of his right sock on the front page of today’s Daily Telegraph is the gleaming pommel of a Sgian Dubh (pronounced Skeen Doo).

Gordon Brown will know that the Sgian Dubh is a ceremonial knife worn by kilt-wearing Scots as part of their national dress.

Charles is safe with his Sgian Dubh in his armchair in the Castle of Mey in the north of Scotland.

But if he heads south of Gretna Green he faces being prosecuted after the Prime Minister ordered that there should be a presumption of prosecution for people caught with knives.

And if he pleads not guilty new guidelines say he should to go to jail. Well at least he will be staying at Her Majesty’s Pleasure.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/christopherhope/4891977/Prison_for_Prince_Charles_if_knife_in_sock_passes_ into_England/


http://wa2.images.onesite.com/blogs.telegraph.co.uk/user/sarah_marcus/charles.jpg


There's one other nation, way WAY older than scotland, where people have been wearing kilt for thousands of years. YEMEN.

http://www.yementimes.com/CONTROL/upload/1310%5CCULTURE1_1.jpg
http://www.yementimes.com/defaultdet.aspx?SUB_ID=33045

It is also a commonly researched birthplace of the trade tribe a.k.a. "the jews". Which they will fiercely deny.



The Yemenite Jews are the only Jewish community (other than the Aramaic speaking Kurdish Jews [15]) who maintain the tradition of reading the Torah in the synagogue in both Hebrew and the Aramaic Targum ("translation").
..
DNA testing between Yemenite Jews and various other of the world's Jewish communities shows a common link, with most communities sharing similar paternal genetic profiles. Furthermore, the Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Middle Eastern populations.


http://www.aiys.org/webdate/tobi.html



The Yemenite Jews have a unique history that distinguish them from Jews in other countries in the Arab world. The way they migrated to Yemen is different. The relationship they had to the Arab rulers and the Arab populous was different. Also the Jewish culture that developed in Yemen is very different from any other Jewish community in the world.

We do not know exactly how Jews came to settle in Yemen. According to Yemenite tradition, a group of well-to-do Jews left Jerusalem after they heard Jeremiah predict the destruction of the Temple in 629 BCE

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Yemen.html


They don't know because there was no Jerusalem at the time. Because this is where the trade tribe was possibly born.



Secret Mission Rescues Yemen's Jews , Wall Street Journal

Jews are believed to have reached what is now Yemen more than 2,500 years ago as traders for King Solomon.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125693376195819343.html


King solomon is jewish fantasy, apparently a jewish king who built first temple in jerusalem (the city that was never there). Apparently, married to "Queen of Sheba" (Saba, in Hebew Shiva - hindu deity). Sheba mentioned in Quran to have been a kingdom in Yemen. Also remember that it is highly likely that matriarchy was probably prevalent at the time.

[illumin19]

Prince Charles had better watch it. Peeping out of his right sock on the front page of today’s Daily Telegraph is the gleaming pommel of a Sgian Dubh (pronounced Skeen Doo).

Gordon Brown will know that the Sgian Dubh is a ceremonial knife worn by kilt-wearing Scots as part of their national dress.

Charles is safe with his Sgian Dubh in his armchair in the Castle of Mey in the north of Scotland.

But if he heads south of Gretna Green he faces being prosecuted after the Prime Minister ordered that there should be a presumption of prosecution for people caught with knives.

And if he pleads not guilty new guidelines say he should to go to jail. Well at least he will be staying at Her Majesty’s Pleasure.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/christopherhope/4891977/Prison_for_Prince_Charles_if_knife_in_sock_passes_ into_England/


http://wa2.images.onesite.com/blogs.telegraph.co.uk/user/sarah_marcus/charles.jpg


There's one other nation, way WAY older than scotland, where people have been wearing kilt for thousands of years. YEMEN.

http://www.yementimes.com/CONTROL/upload/1310%5CCULTURE1_1.jpg
http://www.yementimes.com/defaultdet.aspx?SUB_ID=33045

It is also a commonly researched birthplace of the trade tribe a.k.a. "the jews". Which they will fiercely deny.



The Yemenite Jews are the only Jewish community (other than the Aramaic speaking Kurdish Jews [15]) who maintain the tradition of reading the Torah in the synagogue in both Hebrew and the Aramaic Targum ("translation").
..
DNA testing between Yemenite Jews and various other of the world's Jewish communities shows a common link, with most communities sharing similar paternal genetic profiles. Furthermore, the Y-chromosome signatures of the Yemenite Jews are also similar to those of other Middle Eastern populations.


http://www.aiys.org/webdate/tobi.html



The Yemenite Jews have a unique history that distinguish them from Jews in other countries in the Arab world. The way they migrated to Yemen is different. The relationship they had to the Arab rulers and the Arab populous was different. Also the Jewish culture that developed in Yemen is very different from any other Jewish community in the world.

We do not know exactly how Jews came to settle in Yemen. According to Yemenite tradition, a group of well-to-do Jews left Jerusalem after they heard Jeremiah predict the destruction of the Temple in 629 BCE

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Yemen.html


They don't know because there was no Jerusalem at the time. Because this is where the trade tribe was possibly born.



Secret Mission Rescues Yemen's Jews , Wall Street Journal

Jews are believed to have reached what is now Yemen more than 2,500 years ago as traders for King Solomon.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125693376195819343.html


King solomon is jewish fantasy, apparently a jewish king who built first temple in jerusalem (the city that was never there). Apparently, married to "Queen of Sheba" (Saba, in Hebew Shiva - hindu deity). Sheba mentioned in Quran to have been a kingdom in Yemen. Also remember that it is highly likely that matriarchy was probably prevalent at the time.


"The Bible came from Arabia".............Kamal Suleiman Salibi

[TPTB]

Jesus was Russian. ::)

[Horn]

The real question is what is Charles packing in the royal right sock?


Wow. Greenbear nailed it. Sometimes this forum is quite amazing!

:D


Whatever happened to Book, as soon as HT showed up at the top he bailed?

[Awoke]

I miss Book.

[sirgonzo420]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.

Who knows what LaRouches real intentions are, or if he even knows fully?

But ones things for sure the "United Kingdom" needs to be sunk once & for all if not for anything but to be given a different name. :)






rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)




The Rothschilds founded the Bank of England?!

That's news to me... have any cite(s)?

The Rothschilds are responsible for a lot of things, but I don't think the founding of the Bank of England is one of them.

[k-os]

I can't believe I am saying this, but it's true . . . I miss Book too.

[sirgonzo420]

I'm not sure where Book is, but I bet he'll be back... He never can stay away from GIM/G-S...

[Large Sarge]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.

Who knows what LaRouches real intentions are, or if he even knows fully?

But ones things for sure the "United Kingdom" needs to be sunk once & for all if not for anything but to be given a different name. :)









rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)




The Rothschilds founded the Bank of England?!

That's news to me... have any cite(s)?

The Rothschilds are responsible for a lot of things, but I don't think the founding of the Bank of England is one of them.


thats pretty well documented, they used all their loot after Napoleon was defeated (they owned the entire british economy at that point)




http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840
Developing circumstances soon allowed the Rothschilds to formulate a plan which would guarantee them the financial control of Europe, and soon the world. It began with taking advantage of the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo, which was fought at La-Belle-Alliance, seven miles south of Waterloo, which is a suburb of Brussels, Belgium. Early in the battle, Napoleon appeared to be winning, and the first secret military report to London communicated that fact. However, upon reinforcements from the Prussians, under Gebhard Blucher, the tide turned in favor of Wellington. On Sunday, June 18, 1815, Rothworth, a courier of Nathan Rothschild, head of the London branch of the family, was on the battlefield, and upon seeing that Napoleon was being beaten, went by horse to Brussels, then to Ostende, and for 2,000 francs, got a sailor to get him to England across stormy seas. When Nathan Rothschild received the news on June 20, he informed the government, who did not believe him. So, with everyone believing Wellington to be defeated, Rothschild immediately began to sell all of his stock on the English Stock Market. Everyone else followed his lead, and also began selling, causing stocks to plummet to practically nothing. At the last minute, his agents secretly began buying up the stocks at rock-bottom prices. On June 21, at 11 PM, Wellington's envoy, Major Henry Percy showed up at the War Office with his report that Napoleon had been crushed in a bitter eight hour battle, losing a third of his men. This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Rothschild controlled.

[sirgonzo420]

thats pretty well documented, they used all their loot after Napoleon was defeated (they owned the entire british economy at that point)




http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840
Developing circumstances soon allowed the Rothschilds to formulate a plan which would guarantee them the financial control of Europe, and soon the world. It began with taking advantage of the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo, which was fought at La-Belle-Alliance, seven miles south of Waterloo, which is a suburb of Brussels, Belgium. Early in the battle, Napoleon appeared to be winning, and the first secret military report to London communicated that fact. However, upon reinforcements from the Prussians, under Gebhard Blucher, the tide turned in favor of Wellington. On Sunday, June 18, 1815, Rothworth, a courier of Nathan Rothschild, head of the London branch of the family, was on the battlefield, and upon seeing that Napoleon was being beaten, went by horse to Brussels, then to Ostende, and for 2,000 francs, got a sailor to get him to England across stormy seas. When Nathan Rothschild received the news on June 20, he informed the government, who did not believe him. So, with everyone believing Wellington to be defeated, Rothschild immediately began to sell all of his stock on the English Stock Market. Everyone else followed his lead, and also began selling, causing stocks to plummet to practically nothing. At the last minute, his agents secretly began buying up the stocks at rock-bottom prices. On June 21, at 11 PM, Wellington's envoy, Major Henry Percy showed up at the War Office with his report that Napoleon had been crushed in a bitter eight hour battle, losing a third of his men. This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Rothschild controlled.



But Waterloo was in the early 1800's and the Bank of England was founded in 1694...

[DMac]

Rothschild had nothing to do with the founding of the Bank of England in 1694. The name change from Bauer to Rothschild didn't take place until the 1800's.

[Awoke]

Anyone who disregards the influence of european royalty with regards to globalism, and zionist conquest is a complete moron. It is alive and very well across the entire planet.

Who knows what LaRouches real intentions are, or if he even knows fully?

But ones things for sure the "United Kingdom" needs to be sunk once & for all if not for anything but to be given a different name. :)






rothschilds have owned the U.K. for centuries, since Napoleon's defeat at waterloo

they founded the first central bank there, the bank of england (which sired the Federal reserve)




The Rothschilds founded the Bank of England?!

That's news to me... have any cite(s)?

The Rothschilds are responsible for a lot of things, but I don't think the founding of the Bank of England is one of them.


The BOE was founded in 1694. The spokesperson representing the banking interests was William Paterson.

Napolean was around in the 1800's.

Refer to "The Creature from Jekyll Island", page 173 and 175, Chapter9, "The secret science".

[Brent]

Has anyone ever heard of the Saussos?

Mentioned briefly in this thread from vnn I will reproduce it here.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=96838&highlight=Suassos

They don't pull punches there when it comes to derogatory terms so please just bear with me and try and keep all panties from bunching up.


The Sephardim already owned England and Holland when the Rothschilds were mere organ grinders living in jew ghettos. The Rothschilds, when they landed in England in the early 19th century, actually married into one of these Sephardic families.

The Suasso dynasty is completely unknown today, yet without it the history of Europe would have been diametrically different. For example, the Glorious Revolution would not have taken place without the funding of the Suassos. Strange how "conspiracy theorists" and "NWO truthers" don't touch on these ridiculously powerful and influential Sephardic kikes at all.


SUASSO, family of bankers originally from Spain with branches in Holland and England in the 17th and 18th centuries.

One of its most distinguished members was ANTONIO (ISAAC) LOPEZ SUASSO (second half of the 17th century), who lived in The Hague and was considered one of the wealthiest merchants in Holland. He was also one of the leading shareholders of the West India Company, his investments in 1674 amounting to 107,677 gulden. In recognition of his diplomatic services, King Charles II of Spain granted him an estate in Brabant, together with the title of baron, despite the fact that he was a Jew.

An ardent supporter of the House of Orange, Isaac Lopez placed 2,000,000 gulden unconditionally at the disposal of William III when he set out for England in 1688.

His son, FRANCISCO (ABRAHAM ISRAEL) LOPEZ, second baron of Avernas de Gras, acted as the trustee for the affairs of Queen Christina of Sweden (1632–54) in Hamburg during the years following her abdication. He married Judith, the daughter of Manuel de Teixeira de Sampaio, and his daughter married Isaac Teixera d'Andrade. His sons were ANTONIO (ISAAC) LOPEZ, who in 1714 married the daughter of Moses Mendes da Costa, the governor of the Bank of England, and ALVARO (JACOB ISRAEL) LOPEZ, who in 1735 became a member of the Royal Society.

ANTONIO LOPEZ (1776–1857), great-grandson of the first baron of Avernas de Gras, was born in Amsterdam, and, in accordance with the will of his maternal grandmother, assumed his mother's name, Diaz de Fonseca, and was converted to Christianity. He joined the British army, fought against the French, and in 1829 retired with the rank of captain. His last years were devoted to writing about political and military matters, his most important work being La Politique Dégagée des Illusions Libérales (2 vols., 1838).
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0019_0_19320.html


More, this time from another poster, linking the Suassos (and Jews in general) to slavery.


The Jewish link to slavery is widely suppressed these days but I have a book from 33' that has some telling quotes.
And I quote,

Quote:
Indeed the Dutch West India Company, which through its scandalous neglect was responsible for the loss of Nieuw Amsterdam, only escaped bankruptcy because it made so much money out of its traffic in slaves. Van Loon's Geography. The Story of the World We Live In. Hendrik Willem Van Loon. pg 419.
Quote:
Now there were two Algerian Jews (all business in northern Africa had been in the hands of Jews for centuries) who had a claim against the French government for grain delivered to the...Van Loon's Geography. The Story of the World We Live In. Hendrik Willem Van Loon. pg 423.

So how many had heard of them before now?

[Large Sarge]

my mistake, they made a new bank of england, under Rothschild control

you are right, the rothschilds did not establish the original bank of england


http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm



This is because they are guaranteed by the government of a country, and therefore the efforts of the population of that country, and it doesn't matter if that country loses the war because the loans are given on the guarantee that the victor will honour the debts of the vanquished.

Whilst the Rothschilds are funding both sides in this war, they use the banks they have spread out across Europe to give them the opportunity to set up an unrivalled postal service network of secret routes and fast couriers. The post these couriers carried was to be opened up by these couriers and their details given to the Rothschilds so they always were one step ahead of current events.

Furthermore, these Rothschild couriers were the only merchants allowed to pass through the English and French blockades. It was these couriers who also kept Nathan Mayer Rothschild up to date with how the war was going so he could use that intelligence to buy and sell from his position on the stock exchange in accordance with that intelligence.

One of Rothschild's couriers was a man named Rothworth. When the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo was won by the British, Rothworth took off for the Channel and was able to deliver this news to Nathan Mayer Rothschild, a full 24 hours before Wellington's own courier.

At that time British bonds were called consuls and they were traded on the floor of the stock exchange. Nathan Mayer Rothschild instructed all his workers on the floor to start selling consuls. The made all the other traders believe that the British had lost the war so they started selling frantically.

Therefore the consuls plummeted in value which was when Nathan Mayer Rothschild discreetly instructed his workers to purchase all the consuls they could lay their hands on.

When news came through that the British had actually won the war, the consuls went up to a level even higher than before the war ended leaving Nathan Mayer Rothschild with a return of approximately 20 to 1 on his investment.

This gave the Rothschild family complete control of the British economy, now the financial centre of the world following Napolean's defeat, and forced England to set up a new Bank of England, which Nathan Mayer Rothschild controlled.

[Awoke]

Dammit, I see Gonzo already beat me to the punch.

:)

[Brent]

Has anyone ever heard of the Saussos?

Mentioned briefly in this thread from vnn I will reproduce it here.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=96838&highlight=Suassos

They don't pull punches there when it comes to derogatory terms so please just bear with me and try and keep all panties from bunching up.


The Sephardim already owned England and Holland when the Rothschilds were mere organ grinders living in jew ghettos. The Rothschilds, when they landed in England in the early 19th century, actually married into one of these Sephardic families.

The Suasso dynasty is completely unknown today, yet without it the history of Europe would have been diametrically different. For example, the Glorious Revolution would not have taken place without the funding of the Suassos. Strange how "conspiracy theorists" and "NWO truthers" don't touch on these ridiculously powerful and influential Sephardic k-words at all.


SUASSO, family of bankers originally from Spain with branches in Holland and England in the 17th and 18th centuries.

One of its most distinguished members was ANTONIO (ISAAC) LOPEZ SUASSO (second half of the 17th century), who lived in The Hague and was considered one of the wealthiest merchants in Holland. He was also one of the leading shareholders of the West India Company, his investments in 1674 amounting to 107,677 gulden. In recognition of his diplomatic services, King Charles II of Spain granted him an estate in Brabant, together with the title of baron, despite the fact that he was a Jew.

An ardent supporter of the House of Orange, Isaac Lopez placed 2,000,000 gulden unconditionally at the disposal of William III when he set out for England in 1688.

His son, FRANCISCO (ABRAHAM ISRAEL) LOPEZ, second baron of Avernas de Gras, acted as the trustee for the affairs of Queen Christina of Sweden (1632–54) in Hamburg during the years following her abdication. He married Judith, the daughter of Manuel de Teixeira de Sampaio, and his daughter married Isaac Teixera d'Andrade. His sons were ANTONIO (ISAAC) LOPEZ, who in 1714 married the daughter of Moses Mendes da Costa, the governor of the Bank of England, and ALVARO (JACOB ISRAEL) LOPEZ, who in 1735 became a member of the Royal Society.

ANTONIO LOPEZ (1776–1857), great-grandson of the first baron of Avernas de Gras, was born in Amsterdam, and, in accordance with the will of his maternal grandmother, assumed his mother's name, Diaz de Fonseca, and was converted to Christianity. He joined the British army, fought against the French, and in 1829 retired with the rank of captain. His last years were devoted to writing about political and military matters, his most important work being La Politique Dégagée des Illusions Libérales (2 vols., 1838).
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0019_0_19320.html


More, this time from another poster, linking the Suassos (and Jews in general) to slavery.


The Jewish link to slavery is widely suppressed these days but I have a book from 33' that has some telling quotes.
And I quote,

Quote:
Indeed the Dutch West India Company, which through its scandalous neglect was responsible for the loss of Nieuw Amsterdam, only escaped bankruptcy because it made so much money out of its traffic in slaves. Van Loon's Geography. The Story of the World We Live In. Hendrik Willem Van Loon. pg 419.
Quote:
Now there were two Algerian Jews (all business in northern Africa had been in the hands of Jews for centuries) who had a claim against the French government for grain delivered to the...Van Loon's Geography. The Story of the World We Live In. Hendrik Willem Van Loon. pg 423.

So how many had heard of them before now?






My point is that the elite power structure is vast and much of it is suppressed/hidden but the common element in all of it is the connection to those who call themselves Jews.

[DMac]

Bump, oldie but a goodie

[iOWNme]

I heard Celents on AJ about 2 weeks ago. The issue of the 'Mob' came up and organized crime. Celente got visibly angry and mad about the fact that Italians ALWAYS get portrayed as the 'Mob', when history shows you that the Jewish mob ran the entire system. It want until Collaboration between the Jews and Government, did they decide to finger the Italians.

Celente even said something like "Lanskey and Siegel are not exactly Italian names...."

He all but said the 'J' word.


As for LaRoushe, he is POISON to the well. NEVER trust these ex intelligence/Government/Think Tank/Committee/ etc people. They ALL had the chance to do something when they were actually the position of power to do it. THEY DID NOTHING. And now they make money from their so called 'Patriotism'.

PUKE.

[JohnQPublic]

...
As for LaRoushe, he is POISON to the well. NEVER trust these ex intelligence/Government/Think Tank/Committee/ etc people. They ALL had the chance to do something when they were actually the position of power to do it. THEY DID NOTHING. And now they make money from their so called 'Patriotism'...

When was LaRouche ever in a position of power?

[joboo]

I believe one can ultimately speak against the realities that enable, and achieve the same effect.

A the end of the day take away the labels, and some other group will come in, and ultimately do the same thing when the power balance shifts.

Corporations, gov/mic, and banking system gone wild. Greed has no specific affiliation, it's a human condition.

[iOWNme]

When was LaRouche ever in a position of power?


How about when he was teaching MARXISM at NY Free School?


In 1967 LaRouche began teaching classes on Marx's dialectical materialism (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Dialectical_materialism) at New York City's Free School, and attracted a group of students from Columbia University and the City College of New York, recommending that they read Das Kapital (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Das_Kapital), as well as Hegel, Kant, and Leibniz.

Or how about while he was organizing Communist protest in the 1960's at Columbia University?


During the 1968 Columbia University protests (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Columbia_University_protests_of_1968), he organized his supporters under the name the National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC). The aim of the NCLC was to win control of the Students for a Democratic Society (http://gold-silver.us/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society) branch—the university's main activist group—and build a political alliance between students, local residents, organized labor, and the Columbia faculty.[15] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-15) By 1973 the NCLC had over 600 members in 25 cities—including West Berlin and Stockholm—and produced what King called the most literate of the far-left papers, New Solidarity.[16] (http://gold-silver.us/forum/#cite_note-16) The NCLC's internal activities became highly regimented over the next few years. Members gave up their jobs and devoted themselves to the group and its leader, believing it would soon take control of America's trade unions and overthrow the government.

[JohnQPublic]

How about when he was teaching MARXISM at NY Free School?



Or how about while he was organizing Communist protest in the 1960's at Columbia University?

Ok. Not sure what you meant by "position of power". Most of this was informal (i.e., I don't think he was ever hired). There is no question that LaRouche came in from stage left (and I'm not sure he ever really changed that much; though his detractors claim he has).

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Zionism and "Jewishness" are not one and the same. I grew up in Los Angeles and I've known many Jewish people there. I've heard some of them speak against the actions of Zionists.


You pretty much have to leave room for people to be individuals. Not everybody is stupid enough to blindly follow their Priest, Bhikku, or Rabbi.


But unfortunately, many do.