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Quantum
26th May 2010, 10:26 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7769126/US-money-supply-plunges-at-1930s-pace-as-Obama-eyes-fresh-stimulus.html


US money supply plunges at 1930s pace as Obama eyes fresh stimulus

The M3 money supply in the United States is contracting at an accelerating rate that now matches the average decline seen from 1929 to 1933, despite near zero interest rates and the biggest fiscal blitz in history.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 9:40PM BST 26 May 2010

The M3 figures - which include broad range of bank accounts and are tracked by British and European monetarists for warning signals about the direction of the US economy a year or so in advance - began shrinking last summer. The pace has since quickened.

The stock of money fell from $14.2 trillion to $13.9 trillion in the three months to April, amounting to an annual rate of contraction of 9.6pc. The assets of insitutional money market funds fell at a 37pc rate, the sharpest drop ever.

"It’s frightening," said Professor Tim Congdon from International Monetary Research. "The plunge in M3 has no precedent since the Great Depression. The dominant reason for this is that regulators across the world are pressing banks to raise capital asset ratios and to shrink their risk assets. This is why the US is not recovering properly," he said.

The US authorities have an entirely different explanation for the failure of stimulus measures to gain full traction. They are opting instead for yet further doses of Keynesian spending, despite warnings from the IMF that the gross public debt of the US will reach 97pc of GDP next year and 110pc by 2015.

Larry Summers, President Barack Obama’s top economic adviser, has asked Congress to "grit its teeth" and approve a fresh fiscal boost of $200bn to keep growth on track. "We are nearly 8m jobs short of normal employment. For millions of Americans the economic emergency grinds on," he said.

David Rosenberg from Gluskin Sheff said the White House appears to have reversed course just weeks after Mr Obama vowed to rein in a budget deficit of $1.5 trillion (9.4pc of GDP) this year and set up a commission to target cuts. "You truly cannot make this stuff up. The US governnment is freaked out about the prospect of a double-dip," he said.

The White House request is a tacit admission that the economy is already losing thrust and may stall later this year as stimulus from the original $800bn package starts to fade.

Recent data have been mixed. Durable goods orders jumped 2.9pc in April but house prices have been falling for several months and mortgage applications have dropped to a 13-year low. The ECRI leading index of US economic activity has been sliding continuously since its peak in October, suffering the steepest one-week drop ever recorded in mid-May.

Mr Summers acknowledged in a speech this week that the eurozone crisis had shone a spotlight on the dangers of spiralling public debt. He said deficit spending delays the day of reckoning and leaves the US at the mercy of foreign creditors. Ultimately, "failure begets failure" in fiscal policy as the logic of compound interest does its worst.

However, Mr Summers said it would be "pennywise and pound foolish" to skimp just as the kindling wood of recovery starts to catch fire. He said fiscal policy comes into its own at at time when the economy "faces a liquidity trap" and the Fed is constrained by zero interest rates.

Mr Congdon said the Obama policy risks repeating the strategic errors of Japan, which pushed debt to dangerously high levels with one fiscal boost after another during its Lost Decade, instead of resorting to full-blown "Friedmanite" monetary stimulus.

"Fiscal policy does not work. The US has just tried the biggest fiscal experiment in history and it has failed. What matters is the quantity of money and in extremis that can be increased easily by quantititave easing. If the Fed doesn’t act, a double-dip recession is a virtual certainty," he said.

Mr Congdon said the dominant voices in US policy-making - Nobel laureates Paul Krugman and Joe Stiglitz, as well as Mr Summers and Fed chair Ben Bernanke - are all Keynesians of different stripes who "despise traditional monetary theory and have a religious aversion to any mention of the quantity of money". The great opus by Milton Friedman and Anna Schwartz - The Monetary History of the United States - has been left to gather dust.

Mr Bernanke no longer pays attention to the M3 data. The bank stopped publishing the data five years ago, deeming it too erratic to be of much use.

This may have been a serious error since double-digit growth of M3 during the US housing bubble gave clear warnings that the boom was out of control. The sudden slowdown in M3 in early to mid-2008 - just as the Fed raised rates - gave a second warning that the economy was about to go into a nosedive.

Mr Bernanke built his academic reputation on the study of the credit mechanism. This model offers a radically different theory for how the financial system works. While so-called "creditism" has become the new orthodoxy in US central banking, it has not yet been tested over time and may yet prove to be a misadventure.

Paul Ashworth at Capital Economics said the decline in M3 is worrying and points to a growing risk of deflation. "Core inflation is already the lowest since 1966, so we don’t have much margin for error here. Deflation becomes a threat if it goes on long enough to become entrenched," he said.

However, Mr Ashworth warned against a mechanical interpretation of money supply figures. "You could argue that M3 has been going down because people have been taking their money out of accounts to buy stocks, property and other assets," he said.

Events may soon tell us whether this is benign or malign. It is certainly remarkable.

cigarlover
26th May 2010, 10:39 PM
800 billion didnt help but lets throw another 200 billion at it. That'll do it.. You go guys!! Hell lets throw 500 trillion at it. That'll surely do it. Send every American a million and lets gets this party started.

ximmy
27th May 2010, 12:12 AM
Yeah Larry... a couple more hundred billion should get the economic fires started... Un-freakin-believable delusionoid of a man...

"Mr Summers said it would be "pennywise and pound foolish" to skimp just as the kindling wood of recovery starts to catch fire."

Gknowmx
27th May 2010, 04:42 AM
I wish Carl would stop by more often; now that we have bona fided deflation it would be good to have the leading GIM deflationista in the house. I hope he is just lurking and not gone.

Spectrism
27th May 2010, 05:10 AM
I was wondering what that new "stimulus" crap was about.

They are deathly afraid of the deflation so they will borrow against the national debt to fight off that dragon. In time, if they have not already done so, they will pump money "off the books" in sheer desperation as nobody will have the ability to borrow. When another trillion $$ on the national debt is generally recognized as unbelievable as a serviceable debt, then they go off the books.

EE_
27th May 2010, 05:16 AM
"You could argue that M3 has been going down because people have been taking their money out of accounts to buy
stocks, property and other assets ,"

Spectrism
27th May 2010, 05:30 AM
The traditional means of money creation- borrowing, has been drying up over the last couple years. I agree with the deflation camp on that. The problem I am seeing is that the government does not play by the rules... anywhere.

Direct meddling in auto manufacturing, banks, insurance, healthcare, brokerage companies, etc.

Their violation of rules and standards have made the stock market into a ridiculous charade.

Since they care nothing for the rule of law- right on up to the constitution of the US (no surprise there considering Barry Soetoro is a direct violation personally), they will violate the value of the dollar... ooops... I mean federal reserve note.... and print as much as necessary to keep the helicopters filled for dropping missions.

Gknowmx
27th May 2010, 06:34 AM
I wish Carl would stop by more often; now that we have bona fided deflation it would be good to have the leading GIM deflationista in the house. I hope he is just lurking and not gone.

I hope he comes back also. He has been right the whole time.

It is funny how you don't see many threads about hyper inflation anymore. There used to be a lot of members that were convinced of hyper inflation, but maybe they have seen the light.

Is Marc Faber still driving the hyper inflation bandwagon these days?


I miss Carl, there are more credible arguements for deflation, but that doesn't mean I have changed my stance on hyperinflation. The real problem that I have in the whole debate is a lack of verifiable accountabilty and transparency of the FED, BIS, and Ft. Knox just for starters. If we don't have unfetterred access to make primary measurements of money and anything purporting to be money, then all the derivative measurements are pointless at best.

As the velocity of money slows to a crawl and lending dries up, critical shortages will start to appear followed quickly by inflaion. It is easy to be reactionary and in the short term hoard small amounts of supplies or stop what you are doing, but in the longer term, once people recognize the folly of the position they have assumed, the first chance they get, they will make a grab for the stuff that they think will put them in a better position. This process happens in fits and starts. Deflation, hyperinflation, volitility as we reel from one condition to the next. As long as there is a central government there will be hyperinflation as a tool.

Or not. ;D

mamboni
27th May 2010, 06:45 AM
"You could argue that M3 has been going down because people have been taking their money out of accounts to buy
stocks, property and other assets ,"


On a superficial level, that seems logical. But thinking on the matter further, the credit money that purchased those stocks, property and 'other assets' like gold and silver for example did not disappear; it merely changes hands. If I sell an ounce of gold to you, I will likely deposit the $1200+ in the bank where it appears as a demand deposit/credit that can be used as a loan. If I take cash, I will likely spend it. Eventually, that cash will wind up deposited as credit at a bank. It seems to me that the only way credit money can be destroyed is though debt default or the purchase of a bond. Deflation is caused by both credit destruction and decreasing money velocity. Both of these are occurring presently.

Gold price resilience under the present deflationary conditions in the economy has been quite remarkable, IMHO.

DMac
27th May 2010, 07:16 AM
I wish Carl would stop by more often; now that we have bona fided deflation it would be good to have the leading GIM deflationista in the house. I hope he is just lurking and not gone.

I hope he comes back also. He has been right the whole time.

It is funny how you don't see many threads about hyper inflation anymore. There used to be a lot of members that were convinced of hyper inflation, but maybe they have seen the light.

Is Marc Faber still driving the hyper inflation bandwagon these days?



Deflation and hyperinflation are not mutually exclusive events.

Deflation is for economics, hyperinflation is for currency.

Hyperinflation is a possible outcome of deflation.

Twisted Titan
27th May 2010, 10:02 AM
800 billion didnt help but lets throw another 200 billion at it. That'll do it.. You go guys!! Hell lets throw 500 trillion at it. That'll surely do it. Send every American a million and lets gets this party started.


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