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MNeagle
27th May 2010, 05:32 PM
Thousands of census workers, including many temporary employees, are fanning out across America to gather information on the citizenry. This is a process that takes place not only every decade in order to complete the constitutionally-mandated census; but also as part of the continuing “American Community Survey†conducted by the Census Bureau on a regular basis year in and year out.
What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.†If the landlord of such apartment or other leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00.
That’s right — not only can citizens be fined if they fail to answer the increasingly intrusive questions asked of them by the federal government under the guise of simply counting the number of people in the country; but a landlord must give them access to your apartment whether you’re there or not, in order to gather whatever “statistics†the law permits.
In fact, some census workers apparently are going even further and demanding — and receiving — private cell phone numbers from landlords in order to call tenants and obtain information from them. Isn’t it great to live in a “free†country?
via Drudge: http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/
Quantum
27th May 2010, 05:59 PM
http://blogs.ajc.com/bob-barr-blog/2010/05/26/census-workers-can-enter-your-apartment-in-your-absence/
Census workers can enter your apartment in your absence
6:00 am May 26, 2010, by Bob Barr
Thousands of census workers, including many temporary employees, are fanning out across America to gather information on the citizenry. This is a process that takes place not only every decade in order to complete the constitutionally-mandated census; but also as part of the continuing “American Community Survey†conducted by the Census Bureau on a regular basis year in and year out.
What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.†If the landlord of such apartment or other leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00.
That’s right — not only can citizens be fined if they fail to answer the increasingly intrusive questions asked of them by the federal government under the guise of simply counting the number of people in the country; but a landlord must give them access to your apartment whether you’re there or not, in order to gather whatever “statistics†the law permits.
In fact, some census workers apparently are going even further and demanding — and receiving — private cell phone numbers from landlords in order to call tenants and obtain information from them. Isn’t it great to live in a “free†country?
Gangsta99
27th May 2010, 06:04 PM
Sorry but I have to say this is bullshiat. A lot of states have Tenant Laws which require X amount of notice to enter a rental unit. If your landlord is dumb enough to allow a census worker in without proper notice then you will get paid for this if you follow through in court.
Ponce
27th May 2010, 06:26 PM
The census worker went into my apartment and I wasn't there?..........I had $2,000 sitting on the coffee table, what happen to it?
When I was a machinist the son of the owner went into my locked tool box after breaking the lock so see if I had any company tools there, when I came in the next morning I didn't say a word........I simply called the police and told them that my life saving was in my tool box and that someone stole it........the father had to give $1,850 and then he fired me hahahahahahah..... had a new job the next day.
Quantum
27th May 2010, 06:59 PM
Sorry but I have to say this is bullshiat. A lot of states have Tenant Laws which require X amount of notice to enter a rental unit. If your landlord is dumb enough to allow a census worker in without proper notice then you will get paid for this if you follow through in court.
Federal "sovereign immunity."
skidmark
27th May 2010, 07:04 PM
From the article:
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This is a pretty liberal reading of the code! The relevant language is at Title 13, Chapter 7, Subchapter II, § 223 of the US Code. The section prevents the owner or manger of “any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building†from refusing to provide a list of the buildings occupants or providing access to “such premisesâ€. This means a building’s owner or manger cannot refuse to let a census worker into or out of the building and cannot refuse to provide a list of occupants for the purpose of the census count. The penalty for refusal is $500. No where in the section does it authorize entry into individual apartments, lodgings, or “living quartersâ€.
The relevant code section is found at: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223—-000-.html
TheNocturnalEgyptian
27th May 2010, 07:20 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Set traps are illegal, but so is tresspassing.
Quantum
27th May 2010, 07:22 PM
From the article:
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This is a pretty liberal reading of the code! The relevant language is at Title 13, Chapter 7, Subchapter II, § 223 of the US Code. The section prevents the owner or manger of “any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house, tenement, or other building†from refusing to provide a list of the buildings occupants or providing access to “such premisesâ€. This means a building’s owner or manger cannot refuse to let a census worker into or out of the building and cannot refuse to provide a list of occupants for the purpose of the census count. The penalty for refusal is $500. No where in the section does it authorize entry into individual apartments, lodgings, or “living quartersâ€.
The relevant code section is found at: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode13/usc_sec_13_00000223—-000-.html
The full text of 13 USC 223:
Whoever, being the owner, proprietor, manager, superintendent, or
agent of any hotel, apartment house, boarding or lodging house,
tenement, or other building, refuses or willfully neglects, when
requested by the Secretary or by any other officer or employee of
the Department of Commerce or bureau or agency thereof, acting
under the instructions of the Secretary, to furnish the names of
the occupants of such premises, or to give free ingress thereto and
egress therefrom to any duly accredited representative of such
Department or bureau or agency thereof, so as to permit the
collection of statistics with respect to any census provided for in
subchapters I and II of chapter 5 of this title, or any survey
authorized by subchapter IV or V of such chapter insofar as such
survey relates to any of the subjects for which censuses are
provided by such subchapters I and II, including, when relevant to
the census or survey being taken or made, the proper and correct
enumeration of all persons having their usual place of abode in
such premises, shall be fined not more than $500.
The Census Bureau surely uses the typical pro-government interpretation. The rule when interpreting government "laws" is that if it enhances government power, read it broadly; it it enhances citizen rights, read it narrowly. That's how US Government agencies operate.
Quantum
27th May 2010, 07:24 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Set traps are illegal, but so is tresspassing.
German Shepherds, Rottweilers, and the like are not illegal. :D
Neither is setting a shrill alarm, or even just changing or adding a lock.
Gangsta99
27th May 2010, 08:34 PM
Would love to see some articles of this actually happening. I am guessing we won't see that though b/c it isn't actually happening.
cigarlover
27th May 2010, 09:09 PM
Agreed, this is definitely not happening. I had one here earlier this week and never asked if he could go in my house. What reason would he have? In fact I only gave him 1/2 the info he asked for and he was fine with that.
po14015
27th May 2010, 09:13 PM
IMO, which ever agent (hmmm was it on a radio show or tv program) started this whole garbage with the census should get an extra few bucks.
What a waste of time and brain power for the Liberty movement.
So let me get this straight: There is the C IA, BATF, FBI, IRS, DEA, etc, etc. but you think a major threat is the census?
Tell them a number and say goodbye.
And the biggest joke of this whole thing is that "enumeration" is Constitutional. Sure you can argue about the other questions but just don't answer them.
See this idea of distraction was great. Think about it: They get you to tell off some person who knocks on your door. You feel all warm and fuzz. And all those other unConstitutional alphabet soup organizations keep expanding their databases. And as a bonus, most of the sheep go "I thought you said you wanted to protect the Constitution?" which discredits you.
And from all the stories about "who" the census hires, I would trust ToysRus database more than theirs.
Serpo
27th May 2010, 09:27 PM
Should be senseless workers
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