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Large Sarge
27th May 2010, 04:45 PM
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Encyclopedia > Saudi royal family
The House of Saud refers to the royal family of Saudi Arabia. While the modern nation of Saudi Arabia was established in 1932, the House of Saud has been around for much longer. Prior to Ibn Saud, this family ruled the Nejd and often came into conflict with the Ottoman Empire and the Rashidis. The House of Saud is also linked with Wahhabism through the marriage of the son of Muhammad ibn Saud with the daughter of Muhammad ibn Abd al Wahhab in 1744.


The history of the House of Saud has been marked by a desire to unify the Arabian Peninsula and to spread a more pure and simple view of Islam embodied by Wahhabism. As such, the House of Saud has gone through three phases: the First Saudi State, the Second Saudi State, and the modern nation of Saudi Arabia.


It should be noted that Saudi Arabia is the only country on Earth named after a family: the adjective "Saudi" indicates something belonging to the House of Saud.




Heads of the House of Saud
First Saudi State

Muhammad bin Saud
Abdul Aziz bin Muhammad bin Saud
Saud bin Abdul Aziz bin Muhammad al Saud
Abdullah bin Saud
Second Saudi State

Turki bin Abdullah
Faisal bin Turki
Abdul Rahman bin Faisal
Saudi Arabia

King Abdul Aziz bin Abdul Rahman al-Saud
King Saud bin Abdul Aziz,
King Faisal bin Abdul Aziz
King Khalid bin Abdul Aziz
King Fahd bin Abdul Aziz

ANOTHER STORY from http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/bridge/632/history.html


THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT? AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?


RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:


1. Are the Saudi Family members belonging to the Tribe of ANZA BEN WA'EL as they allege to be? 2. Is Islam their actual religion? 3. Are they of an ARAB ORIGIN at all?


In the year 851 A.H. a group of men from AL MASALEEKH CLAN, which was a branch of ANZA Tribe, formed a caravan for buying cereals (wheat and corn) and other food stuff from IRAQ, and transporting it back to NAJD. The head of that group was a man called SAHMI BIN HATHLOOL. The caravan reached BASRA, where the members of the group went to a cereal merchant who was a Jew, Called MORDAKHAI BIN IBRAHIM BIN MOSHE'. During their bargaining with that merchant, the Jew asked them : "Where are you from?" They answered: "From ANZA TRIBE; a clan of AL MASALEEKH." Upon hearing that name, the Jew started to hug so affectionately each one of them saying that he, himself, was also from the clan of AL MASALEEKH, but he had come to reside in BASRA (IRAQ) in consequence to a family feud between his father and some members of ANZA Tribe.


After he recounted to them his fabricated narrative, he ordered his servants to load all the camels of the clan's members with wheat, dates and tamman; a remarkable deed so generous that astonished the MASALEEKH men and aroused their pride to find such an affectionate (cousin) in IRAQ- the source of their sustenance; they believed each word he said , and , because he was a rich merchant of the food commodities which they were badly in need, they liked him (even though he was a Jew concealed under the garb of an Arab from AL MASALEEKH clan).


When the caravan was ready to depart returning to NAJD, that Jewish Merchant asked them to accept his company, because he intended to go with them to his original homeland, NAJD. Upon hearing that from him, they wholeheartedly welcomed him with a very cheerful attitude.


So that (concealed) Jew reached NAJD with the caravan. In NAJD, he started to promulgate a lot of propaganda for himself through his companions (his alleged cousins), a fact, which gathered around him a considerable number of new supporters; but, unexpectedly, he confronted a campaign of opposition to his views led by SHEIKH SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, who was a Muslem religious preacher in AL-QASEEM. The radius of his preaching area included Najd, Yemen, and Hijaz, a fact which compelled the Jew (the Ancestor of the present SAUDI FAMILY to depart from AL QASEEM to AL IHSA, where he changed his name (MORDAKHAI) To MARKHAN BIN IBRAHIM MUSA. Then he changed the location of his residence and settled at a place called DIR'IYA near AL-QATEEF, where he started to spread among the inhabitants a fabricated story about the shield of our Prophet MOHAMMAD (p.b.u.h), that it was taken as a booty by an Arab Pagan in consequence of OHOD Battle between the Arab pagans and the Muslems. "That shield, he said, was sold by the Arab Pagan to a Jewish Clan called BANU QUNAIQA' who preserved it as a treasure! He gradually enhanced his position among the Bedouins through such stories which indicated how the Jewish clans in Arabia were so influential and deserved high esteem. He gained some personal importance among the Bedouins, and decided to settle permanently there, at DIR'IYA town, near AL QATEEF, which he decided to be his (Capital) on the Persian Gulf. He aspired to make it his spring board for establishing a Jewish Kingdom in Arabia.


In order to fulfill his ambitious scheme, he started to approach the desert Arab Bedouins for support of his position, them gradually, he declared himself as their king!


At that juncture, AJAMAN Tribe together with BANU KHALED Tribe became fully aware of that Jewish cunning plan after they had verified his true identity, and decided to put an end to him. They attacked his town and conquered it, but before arresting him he had escaped by the skin of his teeth.


That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), sought shelter in a farm called at that time AL-MALIBEED-GHUSAIBA near AL-ARID, which is called at our present time : AL-RIYADH.


He requested the owner of that farm to grant him an asylum. The farmer was so hospitable that he immediately gave him sanctuary. But that Jew (MORDAKHAI), no longer than a month had he stayed there, when he assassinated the land lord and all members of his family, pretending that all were killed by an invading band of thieves. Then he pretended that he had bought that real estate from them before that catastrophe happened to them! Accordingly, he had the right to reside there as a land lord. He then gave a new name to that place: He named it AL-DIRIYA - the same name as that he had lost.


That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY (MORDAKHAI), was quick to establish a "GUEST HOUSE" called "MADAFFA" on the land he usurped from his victims, and gathered around him a group of hypocrites who started to spread out false propaganda for him that he was a prominent Arab Sheikh. He plotted against Sheikh SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, his original enemy, and caused his assassination in the mosque of the town called (AL-ZALAFI).


After that, he felt satisfied and safe to make (AL-DIRIYA) his permanent home. There he practiced polygamy at a wide scale, and indeed, he begot a lot of children whom he gave pure Arab names.


Eversince his descendants grew up in number and power under the name of SAUDI CLAN, they have followed his steps in practicing under ground activities and conspiracies against the Arab Nation. They illegally seized rural sectors and farm lands, and assassinated every person who tried to oppose their evil plans. They used all kinds of deceit for reaching their goals: they bought the conscience of their dissidents; they offered their women and money to influential people in that area, particularly to those who started to write the true biography of that Jewish Family; they bribed writers of history in order to purify their ignominious history, and make their lineage related to the most prominent Arab Tribes such as RABI'A, ANZA and ALMASALEEKH.


A conspicuous hypocrite in our era whose name is MOHAMMAD AMIN AL TAMIMI- Director/Manager of the contemporary Libraries of the SAUDI KINGDOM, made up a genealogical tree (FAMILY TREE) for this JEWISH FAMILY (THE SAUDIS), connecting them to our Great Prophet, MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) For his false work, he received a reward of 35 (THIRTY FIVE) THOUSAND EYPTIAN POUNDS from the then SAUDI AMBASSADOR TO CAIRO, EGYPT, in the year 1362 AH.- 1943 A.D. The name of that Ambassador is : IBRAHIM AL-FADEL.


As aforementioned, the Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), practiced polygamy by marrying a lot of Arab women and begot many children; his polygamous practice is, at the present time, being carried out " to the letter" by his descendants; they cling to his marital heritage!


One of MORDAKHAI'S sons called AL-MAQARAN, arabized from the Jewish root (MACK-REN) begot a son called Mohammad, then another son called SAUD, which is the name of the present day SAUDI DYNASTY.


Descendants of SAUD (the present day SAUDI FAMILY )started a campaign of assassination of the prominent leaders of the Arab Tribes under the pretence that those leaders were apostates; renegading from the Islamic Religion, and deserting their Koranic doctrines; so they deserved the SAUDI condemnation and slaughter!


In the History Book of the SAUDI FAMILY pages (98-101), their private family historian declares that the SAUDI DYNASTY considers all the people of NAJD blasphemous; so their blood must be shed, their properties confiscated, and their females be taken as concubines; no muslem is authentic in his /her belief unless he/she belongs (affiliates) to the sect of MOHAMMAD BIN ABDUL WAHAB, (whose origins are also Jewish from TURKEY.) His doctrines give authority to the SAUDI FAMILY to destroy the villages with all their inhabitants-males including children, and to sexually assault their women; stab the bellies of the pregnant, and cut off the hands of their children, then burn them! They are further authorized by such a BRUTAL DOCTRINE to plunder all the properties of whom they call renegades (not following their Wahabi Sect).


Their hideous Jewish Family has, in fact, done all that kind of atrocities in the name of their false religious sect (the Wahabi), which has actually been invented by a Jew so as to sow the seeds of terror in the hearts of people in towns and villages. This Jewish Dynasty has been committing such brutal atrocities eversince 1163 A.H. They have named the whole Arabian Peninsula after their family name (SAUDI ARABIA) as if the whole region is their own personal real estate, and that all other inhabitants are their mere servants or slaves, toiling day and night for the pleasure of their masters (THE SAUDI FAMILY).


They are completely holding the natural wealth of the country as their own property. If any poor person from the common people raises his/her voice complaining against any of the despotic rules of this Jewish Dynasty, (the Dynasty) cuts off his/her head in the public square. A princess of theirs once visited FLORIDA, USA, with her retinue; she rented 90 (NINETY) Suite rooms in a Grand Hotel for about One Million Dollars a night! Can anyone of their subjects comment about that extravagant event If he/she does, his/her fate is quite known: DEATH WITH THE EDGE OF THE SAUDI SWORD IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!!!!!!


Witnesses on the Jewish Ancestry of this Saudi Family:


In the 1960's the "SAWT AL ARAB" Broadcasting Station in Cairo, Egypt, and the YEMEN Broadcasting Station in SANA'A confirmed the Jewish Ancestry of the SAUDI Family.


King FAISAL AL-SAUD at that time could not deny his family's kindred with the JEWS when he declared to the WASHINGTON POST on Sept. 17, 1969 stating: "WE, THE SAUDI FAMILY, are cousins of the Jews: we entirely disagree with any Arab or Muslem Authority which shows any antagonism to the Jews; but we must live together with them in peace. Our country (ARABIA) is the Fountain head from where the first Jew sprang, and his descendants spread out all over the world." That was the declaration of KING FAISAL AL-SAUD BIN ABDUL AZIZ!!!!!


HAFEZ WAHBI, The SAUDI Legal Adviser, mentioned in his book entitled: "THE PENINSULA OF ARABIA" that KING ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD, who died in 1953, had said : "Our Message (SAUDI MESSAGE) encountered the opposition of all Arab Tribes; my grandfather, SAUD AWAL, once imprisoned a number of the Sheikhs of MATHEER Tribe; and when another group of the same tribe came to intercede for the release of the prisoners, SAUD AWAL gave orders to his men to cut off the heads of all the prisoners, then, he wanted to humiliate and derogate the interceders by inviting them to eat from a banquet he prepared from the cooked flesh of his victims whose cut off heads he placed on the top of the food platters!! The interceders became so alarmed and declined to eat the flesh of their relatives; and, because of their refusal to eat, he ordered his men to cut off their heads too. That hideous crime was committed by that self imposed king to innocent people whose guilt was their opposition to his most cruel and extremely despotic rules.


HAFEZ WAHBI, states further that King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD related that bloody true story to the Sheikhs of the MATHEER Tribe, who visited him in order to intercede for their prominent leader at that time, FAISAL AL DARWEESH, who was the king's prisoner. He related that story to them in order to prevent them from interceding for the release of their Sheikh; otherwise, they would face the same fate; He killed the Sheikh and used his blood as an ablution liquid for him just before he stood up for his prayer (after the false sect doctrine of the Wahabi); The guilt of FAISAL DARWEESH at that time was that he had criticized King ABDUL AZIZ AL-SAUD when the king signed the document which the English Authorities prepared in 1922 as a declaration for giving PALESTINE to the Jews; his signature was obtained in the conference held at AL AQEER in 1922.


That was and still is the system of this Regime of the JEWISH FAMILY (SAUDI FAMILY): All its goals are : plundering the wealth of the country, robbing, falsifying, and committing all kinds of atrocity, iniquity, and blasphemy-all are executed in compliance with their self invented Wahabi Sect which legalizes the chopping of the heads of their opposing subjects.

Gangsta99
27th May 2010, 04:58 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.

Quantum
27th May 2010, 06:00 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


Your incessant objections to the posting of FACTS indicates you are probably of some Jewish heritage.

Muhammed married a Talmud Jewess, as well.

TheNocturnalEgyptian
27th May 2010, 06:23 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.



Look if the guy is claiming he's got new information, we should read it and assess the veracity regardless of what race it alleges everybody to secretly be.

If it's bullsh*t, it should be easy enough for those so inclined to point out why and how...otherwise I really don't see a problem with something like this.

Not saying I agree, but I am saying that I perceive the burden of proof to be upon those who do disagree. Discuss the merits of the article, ya know? Fight "facts" with more facts. That sort of thing.

FreeEnergy
27th May 2010, 06:28 PM
Discuss the merits of the article, ya know? Fight "facts" with more facts. That sort of thing.


Nah, you want jews to argue an actual topic instead of wiggling their way out or attacking the opponent? Come on now :)


Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.

No. Adam and Eve were MADE UP by jews, that's better. So was Talmud. And goyim were given inferior religion, where they should be quiet and shut up and give the other cheek and wait for "afterlife", yet telling your own that you are "the chosen ones". So you WANT Adam and Eve to be jews and hence prove in your talmudic dreams that you are indeed the chosen race. But you are not, you are just like everyone else, only better at accounting (and only because everyone esle is bored with accounting and doesn't realize how critical it is for personal gain).

illumin19
27th May 2010, 06:37 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


Your incessant objections to the posting of FACTS indicates you are probably of some Jewish heritage.

Muhammed married a Talmud Jewess, as well.


No kids from other than his First wife Khadija.......who was 15 years his elder.

Quantum
27th May 2010, 06:47 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


Your incessant objections to the posting of FACTS indicates you are probably of some Jewish heritage.

Muhammed married a Talmud Jewess, as well.


No kids from other than his First wife Khadija.......who was 15 years his elder.


Nonetheless, the influence on Islam by Talmudism was there.

TPTB
27th May 2010, 06:55 PM
Fun stuff.

There is no fact in the OP. It is myth. A story. Who knows how much if any of it has any basis in reality.
Saud were war lords. Bastards for sure. They had and have many enemies, any of which might have made up stories of Saud coming from Jew origins.

Worthless as far as research goes. There would have to be tangible provenance, a direct link to this fictitious Mordakhai character. Actual transcripts written in his hand.

It's total fiction.

Sure, it could be true. King Kong could be true too.

illumin19
27th May 2010, 07:09 PM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


Your incessant objections to the posting of FACTS indicates you are probably of some Jewish heritage.

Muhammed married a Talmud Jewess, as well.


No kids from other than his First wife Khadija.......who was 15 years his elder.


Nonetheless, the influence on Islam by Talmudism was there.



Really? Anything concrete, links/info?

Gangsta99
27th May 2010, 07:10 PM
LOL.

My personal beliefs are that there is a higher being of some sort out there, that religions are nothing more than big business and a way to control people, and that the internets are full of dumb people.


I would love to come up with my own dumb religion like Scientology and make mad money off the dumb sheeple, but I know this is wrong.

Also my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. failed me in the fact that none of them are from money. If I have some hidden Jew heritage my wife has yet to trace it but maybe it will come with a big inheritance.

FreeEnergy
27th May 2010, 07:24 PM
Nonetheless, the influence on Islam by Talmudism was there.


It is a fairly debatable point that it is otherwise, that Islam is older than either Judaism or Christianity.



many if not most of the followers of Islam believe that:
* Islam existed before Muhammad (pbuh) was born,
* The origins of Islam date back to the creation of the world, and
* Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and by far the greatest of a series of Prophets.

Many do not look upon Islam as a new religion. They feel that it is in reality the faith taught by the ancient Prophets, Abraham, David, Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them). Muhammad's (pbuh) role as the last of the Prophets was to formalize and clarify the faith and to purify it by removing foreign ideas that had been added in error.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm

Cebu_4_2
27th May 2010, 07:44 PM
King Kong is real see?

http://davidlevell.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/kingkong4.jpg

illumin19
27th May 2010, 07:44 PM
Nonetheless, the influence on Islam by Talmudism was there.


It is a fairly debatable point that it is otherwise, that Islam is older than either Judaism or Christianity.



many if not most of the followers of Islam believe that:
* Islam existed before Muhammad (pbuh) was born,
* The origins of Islam date back to the creation of the world, and
* Muhammad (pbuh) was the last and by far the greatest of a series of Prophets.

Many do not look upon Islam as a new religion. They feel that it is in reality the faith taught by the ancient Prophets, Abraham, David, Moses and Jesus (Peace be upon them). Muhammad's (pbuh) role as the last of the Prophets was to formalize and clarify the faith and to purify it by removing foreign ideas that had been added in error.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm



JazakAllah Khair FreeEnergy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfByvw_jomo

Quantum
27th May 2010, 10:18 PM
It is a fairly debatable point that it is otherwise, that Islam is older than either Judaism or Christianity.


"Debatable" in the sense that it is "debatable" that the Earth is flat.

Christianity is the oldest by far.

FreeEnergy
30th May 2010, 12:12 AM
It is a fairly common knowledge that Cosimo Medici (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosimo_de%27_Medici) - a jewish banker turned Pope - created a lot of christian "facts". He founded "Platonic Academy (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Platonic_Academy)" (from Plato's school of philosophy). He used one of the first mass printing presses for the first time in human history to mass produce "facts". It is also a commonly debated issue now (in the world) that maybe he and his buddies in Venice also "made" christianity look 2000 years old, when in fact it is much younger. Many different "old" books don't stand a good scrutiny by a strong historian. In fact, there are sources out there that tell that neither Rome nor Jerusalem existed in the year 0 a.d.

But regardless of speculation (let's call it that), all three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - carry a very common ancestor. Since civilization is way older than 2000 years, it is GUARANTEED that there's a common religious ancestor. Because Asia, it looks like, was settled by humans way ahead of Europe, it is highly unlikely that christianity has any chance at all at being the oldest.

gunDriller
30th May 2010, 06:02 AM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


we can't assess Adam & Eve's behavior - if they even existed.

we can assess the Royal Saudi's behavior.

they are certainly "members of the club". the preferential treatment they got after 9-11, their role in sending $$ to the alleged 9-11 hijackers, their exacting cooperation with the American & Israeli governments.

just by virtue of labelling themselves "Royal", they display the racial supremacy that is central to Jewish theology.

in other words, just judging the "Royal" Saudi's by their behavior sheds light.

Large Sarge
30th May 2010, 06:24 AM
Is this site going to eventually be able to prove that everyone in the world comes from some Jewish heritage? Let me guess, Adam and Eve were Jews.


we can't assess Adam & Eve's behavior - if they even existed.

we can assess the Royal Saudi's behavior.

they are certainly "members of the club". the preferential treatment they got after 9-11, their role in sending $$ to the alleged 9-11 hijackers, their exacting cooperation with the American & Israeli governments.

just by virtue of labelling themselves "Royal", they display the racial supremacy that is central to Jewish theology.

in other words, just judging the "Royal" Saudi's by their behavior sheds light.


plus they seem to fear Iran more than Israel

Whats up with that???

Iran has not attacked anyone in hundreds of years, Israel attacks people almost daily

hoarder
30th May 2010, 07:01 AM
I read about the Saudi Royal Family being marranos years ago. Ever since then I've noticed that just about everything they say and do, everyone who is associated with them seems to benefit the interests of organized Jewry.
Coincidence?

TPTB
30th May 2010, 08:07 AM
It is a fairly common knowledge that Cosimo Medici (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosimo_de%27_Medici) - a jewish banker turned Pope - created a lot of christian "facts". He founded "Platonic Academy (http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Platonic_Academy)" (from Plato's school of philosophy). He used one of the first mass printing presses for the first time in human history to mass produce "facts". It is also a commonly debated issue now (in the world) that maybe he and his buddies in Venice also "made" christianity look 2000 years old, when in fact it is much younger. Many different "old" books don't stand a good scrutiny by a strong historian. In fact, there are sources out there that tell that neither Rome nor Jerusalem existed in the year 0 a.d.

But regardless of speculation (let's call it that), all three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - carry a very common ancestor. Since civilization is way older than 2000 years, it is GUARANTEED that there's a common religious ancestor. Because Asia, it looks like, was settled by humans way ahead of Europe, it is highly unlikely that christianity has any chance at all at being the oldest.


FreeEnergy, you appear to be pitching wild in this post.

First of all, Cosimo De Medici was never a Pope. He was a Priori of the Republic of Florence.

Second, he and the entire family line of Medici's were not Jewish at all. In fact, Duke Cosimo I forced the Jews to wear arm bands and kicked some out...

Third, while Cosimo Medici did start the "Platonic Academy" you fail to mention that the Academy helped bring about the Italian Renaissance, and was a huge influence on the creation of some of the finest Art and artists in the world. Both Michelangelo and Da Vinci just for starts.

Before Medici opened the Academy, Platonism, coming out of the Greek polytheistic Pagan traditions had been banned for nearly 900 years, but Medici had the newly rediscovered Platonic transcripts translated to Latin.

The Medici Dynasty were Bankers and merchants and did work with Jewish Banks and even got thrown out of Florence a couple times, but Cosimo Medici was considered to be a very generous Priori of Florence, and poured much of his wealth into the Arts, artisans and craftsmen of that era.

I read this straight from the links you supplied, by the way.

jedemdasseine
30th May 2010, 08:40 AM
I've always assumed the House of Saud is a marrano line.

Hypertiger
30th May 2010, 03:40 PM
The Just think positive ignore the negative religion is oldest.

The embrace fantasy reject reality religion

The embrace lies and delusion reject Truth equation at the core of the drone reasoning algorithm is the most important control method the top invented.

basically you all don't come here (The Internet) in search of Truth...you come here to promote or are looking for support for your cherished delusions.

A delusion is a lie you tell to yourself

Eventually you fall in love with it...or cherish it.

You all will then fight to the death to protect that which you cherish from destruction.

Lies and delusions are finite and fragile while Truth is infinite and indestructible.

Truth destroys lies and shatters delusions.

You all will fight to the death to protect that which you cherish from Truth

hoarder
30th May 2010, 04:15 PM
........and ONLY Hypertiger has the truth.

FreeEnergy
31st May 2010, 09:35 PM
the Academy helped bring about the Italian Renaissance,


Renaissance was "closed" when he came to power. Dark Ages began.




First of all, Cosimo De Medici was never a Pope. He was a Priori of the Republic of Florence.




The Medici produced four popes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Medici

The second son, Lorenzo (1449–92), became in his own time Il Magnifico (The Magnificent)...
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/372380/Medici-family

Pope Leo X - Giovanni di Lorenzo de Medici was born in Florence, the second son of Lorenzo the Magnificent...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_X


Cosimo de Medici was papal banker. He was printing indulgences and made a fortune for the church. He also found ways around local laws on usury (in international banking), and produced (probably) first in Europe paper money pyramid scheme. He basically ran italy - from Florence. Ask yourself, is there a particular reason why a ruler, and then later all his family, would run a state not from its capital? The answer is easy, there was no city of Rome (or it was not important at the time).

Cosimo also singlehandedly gathered a Ferrara-Florence Council - council of all catholic church leaders. He couldn't do that unless he was de facto a ruler of the church.



Second, he and the entire family line of Medici's were not Jewish at all. In fact, Duke Cosimo I forced the Jews to wear arm bands and kicked some out...


Medici weren't italian. They were a clan of international bankers as early as 12th century.


As a sovereign prince, Cosimo I was free to dictate new terms of Jewish resettlement according to his own best interests and those of his regime. Coming from a merchant family himself, Cosimo I recognized the vast potential of Jewish capital and Jewish entrepreneurship, dispersed by the Iberian expulsion of the 1490s. By the mid-1540s, less than ten years after he gained the throne, Cosimo I began recruiting affluent Spanish and Portuguese Jews for resettlement in his capital city of Florence
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/medici.html




Third, while Cosimo Medici did start the "Platonic Academy" you fail to mention that the Academy helped bring about the Italian Renaissance, and was a huge influence on the creation of some of the finest Art and artists in the world. Both Michelangelo and Da Vinci just for starts.


No, they closed the Renaissance. They created Dark Ages. They did financed the best artirsts, no doubt, just like any other person with immense wealth. But you probably need to read about the connection between Medici and Amerigo and Columbus, it is very related to who "found" America (the answer is neither second, no third, it was "found" via printing press in the house of the first).



Hypertiger: The Just think positive ignore the negative religion is oldest. The embrace fantasy reject reality religion

touche once more :)

MAGNES
31st May 2010, 10:07 PM
Read all the above, responding to a few.

Jews actually wrote the Koran.
They were given an offer they could not refuse.
Think of everything Jews and Muslims have in common.
It is a lot actually.

Jews actually ran the Ottoman Empire, the administration,
tax collection, and were the dominate group in trade.

The Jews that Isabella kicked out quickly were invited
to do this for the Ottomans. After they murdered
tens of thousands of Greeks , Thessaloniki became
the Jewish city and capital of the Ottoman Empire in Europe.

Those Jews that Isabella kicked out were allied with the Muslims
destroying Europe.

After the masonic take over of France in 1800 the French and Ottoman's
were allied in controlling the Empire. In Greece, Greek was banned,
people went to crypto schools, but French was an official language.

The outright masonic take over and control of and creation of
Turkey when it was weak and dying. Rothchild controlled takeover.
The first thing they did was build rail roads and oil pipelines.
Some of those same ones are being rebuilt now. They murdered
all the Christians first. Even today the ADL lobbies for the Turks,
they are actually protecting their own.

Turkey is a NWO creation built on the bones on destroyed peoples.
Took them over a thousand years to do this, roughly 1400.

During the Greek War of Independence Jews were massacred along
with the Muslim authorities, they were the administration, Kolokotroni
a Greek War leader in the South in 1812 massacred over 5,000
Jews at Messenia alone, one city or region. History like this is deleted
from wikipedia even, cause they do not want people knowing they
ran the Ottoman Empire, they were not victims. This leads to the
child tax and creation of brainwashed borg armies called the Janisaries,
this is why the pages on wikipedia get deleted, I have seen this myself
many times.

A few days ago it was May 29.

The greatest city that Europe ever had was destroyed.

The "ventian" bankers waged war on Byzantium and destroyed it.
Those same bankers took over England and created Freemasonry.

MAGNES
31st May 2010, 10:16 PM
On the Koran, it has been described by many historians
as a political manifesto more than a religious book,
just like the Talmud, is it a religious book, it is Jewish law
basically. And both have a lot in common.

All my comments are in general.

There are many books out there on the history of the Koran,
Muslims, some NeoCons promote their own for matters of
war and propaganda. Just be weary of that, Poddy too writes one.

A good conservative website.
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/

Key author, and excellent book, not neocon approved.
Srdja Trifkovic
Sword of the Prophet (http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Prophet-PROPHET-Author-Trifkovic/dp/B001TJWK2M/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1275369348&sr=8-7)

TPTB
31st May 2010, 10:55 PM
Fraid not FreeEnergy


It is a fairly common knowledge that Cosimo Medici - a jewish banker turned Pope - created a lot of christian "facts".

Cosimo the Elder was never a Pope just as I said, nor were the Medici family Jewish as you falsely wrote in the above quote. Although, apparently Cosimo had a brother "Lorenzo the Magnificent" who became Pope.
In fact, this just shows that Jews did not hold any patents on fiat banking practices. Apparently Catholics were quite happy to commit fractional reserve usury as well. At least during the Renaissance. Actually I find it to be an interesting coincidence in that the Renaissance was something of an explosive creative period in history not too different from our current times, which makes me wonder... is the exponential growth factor of compound interest the root cause of much of western civilizations creative advancements?


Renaissance was "closed" when he came to power. Dark Ages began.


No! Get a clue...You have it exactly bass ackwards. The European Renaissance ran from the 14th through the 16th centuries. Exactly during the Medici Dynasty. The dark age was the time period of intellectual darkness between the end of the classical Roman Empire and the Renaissance. Leonardo Da Vinci was right there and was probably involved in the development of the Platonic Academy.

So, touche' right back at ya.... :D

FreeEnergy
31st May 2010, 11:06 PM
Well, what they called "The European Renaissance" was "compounding interest equation" (Hypertiger's term, banker's invention) making Medici the richest people on Earth.

They also printed what's that book....forgot the name, starts with letter M...which was the main book for witch hunt and inquisition. And they printed 4 times more than they printed the Bible. And don't forget inquisition - your favorite catholic buddies even had a list of people to terminate, and a list of books to burn. Talk about "great renaissance" :) It was basically an expansion of technological and technical skill...combined with an immerse amount of knowledge Cosimo purchased in Constatninople (some say took over by force and blamed on Mahomet II...Mehmet II) ....I'd say sure.... you could probably call 20th century renaissance II if you like..

So being richest people on earth, one could concentrate on other things, such as control of the population - which he and his family did taking over catholic church. And while at it, they took Guttenberg's printing press, and essentially rewrote history any way they wanted via first ever mass publishing. There's so much crap in history books, historians to this day can't figure it out...and then apparently some Scaliger dude wrote history where you can't even match things to what arabs, greeks and many other historians wrote...priceless

TPTB
1st June 2010, 05:31 AM
Well, I agree with every word you wrote there... :o

:sun:

MAGNES
1st June 2010, 11:58 AM
Who were the Medici, I have no clue, but crypto's ruled and got
away with a lot, that is what the Inquisition in Spain was mostly
about.

Just like who are the Saudi Royal family, or who are the Roosevelts,
or who was Eisenhower, crypto's were far more sneaky back then,
people today do not know about the few Jewish presidents that
the USA had in the 20th century.

The "ventian bankers" were not Venetians.
Real Venetian soldiers by the thousands defended
Byzantium to the death. If they knew who was doing
what that would be the end of those bankers.

These periods you boys mentioned above are very important.
Europe almost got snuffed out for good almost at more than
one point. Muslims and Jews were allied in it's destruction.

On the Renaissance, I spoke about it above indirectly,
Charlamagne laid the groundwork for the Renaissance,
after his family, Charles Martel won some key battles
expelling Muslims, you have the Carolingian Renaissance,
then you have THE Renaissance, "the rebirth" , and it's
growth was explosive, because it was directly proportional
to the inverse destruction of Byzantium. The Muslims and
Jews did not destroy what was saved but they did destroy
much else.

MAGNES
1st June 2010, 12:13 PM
I'll give references if asked or if pressed for more information.

You ain't going to find mainstream information on the Jews
but believe it or not a lot of it does exist in history books.

I did my own research on what Eustace Mullins said on this above.

A lot of it you just have to read between the lines
and ask questions.

Like in Ottoman Empire, who were the Jews ?

It does not fit todays propaganda, information nobody can deny.

Why and how could they move to lands in an organized fashion
and take over overnight almost, they did that in Thessaloniki,
Holland, and England, what about other lands we are not as
familiar with reading their history, like Arabia, India, today crypto's
probably ruled much of Asia in secret, look at Sassoon based in
Indonesia, Opium Wars, etc, this is why they call them
International Jews or International Bankers. In the USA they
were fought successfully for some time, back and forth.

Being the banking and oil barons, and Arabia was their home too,
I doubt very much they just left them alone, why war on Iran and
not Arabia ? Cause they owned it long ago. Not just oil and banking,
drugs, keeping people down, etc . Imagine if the Saudi's pulled their
money out of western banking system, who and what let them get
so powerful keeping white Russians enslaved while empowering them ?