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kregener
2nd June 2010, 09:54 AM
http://unixronin.livejournal.com/763082.html

The red supergiant variable star Betelgeuse, estimated to be 530 light years from Earth (although measurements by different means vary from 495LY to 640LY; 530LY is considered the "best compromise" measurement) is the ninth brightest star in the sky, the ninth largest star known to exist in the universe, and has the third largest apparent size as observed from Earth of any known star, after the Sun and R Doradus, which is almost three times closer to Earth. R Doradus is believed to lie 200 +/- 25 LY from Earth, and has an angular diameter of approximately 0.057 arcseconds, making it roughly 370 times the diameter of the Sun, or about 3.46 AU, where one AU is the average radius of Earth's orbit. Placed where the Sun is, R Doradus would contain all of the inner planets and most of the main asteroid belt. Betelgeuse's angular diameter of just under 0.055 arcseconds makes it almost three times larger, 950 to 1000 times larger than the Sun (8.8 to 9.3AU, or roughly to the orbit of Saturn). It is one of only about a dozen stars whose apparent size is so large it has been imaged telescopically as a visible disk rather than a point.

Why is this important?

Well, you see, Betelgeuse has been shrinking continuously since 1993, at an increasing rate. By June 2009, it had shrunk 15% from its size as measured in 1993.

But wait! There's more. It is rumored, though I have been unable to find any reliable confirmation of the source (which is claimed to be first-hand) that the latest observations from Mauna Kea show that Betelgeuse is now shrinking so fast it is no longer round. (Due to conservation of angular momentum, when a massive star collapses gravitationally, it collapses faster at the poles, becoming increasingly oblate — flattened — as its final collapse accelerates.)

What does this mean?

Well, briefly, what it means — if true — is that Betelgeuse could be within as little as weeks of a Type II (core collapse) supernova. (Astronomers have considered for some time that Betelgeuse has the potential to go supernova any time in the next thousand years or so. "Any time" may just turn out to be rather sooner than expected.)

IF this happens, not to put too fine a point on it, it will almost undoubtedly be among the most dramatic astronomical events ever observed by human eyes. A type II supernova can briefly outshine an entire galaxy ... and this one will be only a little over five hundred LY away. The supernova that created the Crab Nebula, SN 1054, was bright enough to see in daylight for 23 days, and remained visible for 653 days ... and it was 6,300 LY away. Betelgeuse is almost 12 times closer, and can be expected to appear around 140 times brighter by virtue of that alone. And as noted at the beginning of this post, Betelgeuse is the ninth largest star known to exist in the universe.

If the rumor is true, this is going to be one hell of a show, and we'll have a front-row seat. (Relatively speaking.)

(Don't panic, though. It is not believed that a Betelgeuse supernova would present any threat to Earth, and we're not anywhere near Betelgeuse's axis of rotation and therefore in no danger from a gamma-ray burst.)

http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsletter/images/arcturus-etc.jpg
http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsletter/images/antares-etc.jpg

http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys301/lectures/size/hst_betelgeuse.jpg

big country
2nd June 2010, 10:21 AM
Cool. That would be exciting to see

Nomen luni
2nd June 2010, 10:22 AM
Respecting the thread title, man. ;D

Dave Thomas
2nd June 2010, 11:19 AM
That's too bad. Betelgeuse is one of my favorite stars. One of the first I learned to recognize too. In any case if it is shrinking that fast seems like it's ready to go. In which case, it's already gone supernova, hell almost 530 years ago right? We're just seeing the light from way back then now.

I forget which star it was, but scribes and historians in China noted that one supernova that lasted for a few months rivaled the brightness of the effing moon. That's frigging scary.

Good thing we don't live near any red super giants, talk about a bad hair day.

It's really exciting because this kind of thing happens once every 500 years or so. We have so many ways and such technology to document it, making it the opportunity of a lifetime.

Gaillo
2nd June 2010, 11:22 AM
Blue Star Kachina, anyone? :o

k-os
2nd June 2010, 11:46 AM
This is very exciting, but also sad. I, too, am a fan of the star Betelgeuse and will be sad to see him go. I hope he goes out with a nice show for us here on Earth, though.

It's trippy to think that when we look up at the stars at night that we are essentially looking back in time.

Twisted Titan
2nd June 2010, 01:45 PM
How prophetic..........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuhLtH_Jg1U

Ponce
2nd June 2010, 01:52 PM
What we now see happened millions of years ago....

When I saw the tittle of this thread I started to think about countries and not stars hahahahahahah.

BrewTech
2nd June 2010, 02:08 PM
Update (finally, solid data!)

20100601-22:02: However much fun it would have been to watch the light show, it seems finally a reputable source, the Bad Astronomy Blog on discovermagazine.com, has weighed in. And, as most of us expected from the start, the original rumor is just that and nothing more: An unsubstantiated rumor. There's no actual new observations of Betelgeuse that would suggest it's any closer to going supernova than we already believed it was 20 years ago. "No BOOM! today."

I can't say I'm surprised, but I'll admit to being a little disappointed. A relatively nearby supernova would have been a truly memorable event.

Ah, well. Just remember — "There's always a BOOM! tomorrow. Sooner or later ... BOOM!"

(from the OP's link, at the bottom)

undgrd
2nd June 2010, 03:50 PM
Ask any advanced cultures in the blast zone if they're disappointed.
;D

Serpo
2nd June 2010, 03:53 PM
Its still there but we could build a Betelgeuse cam to monitor it live. :boom

Libertarian_Guard
2nd June 2010, 04:05 PM
I love the constellation Orion.

It is very easy to find, and in my opinion, at least in the northern hemisphere, it is the easiest indicator, or compass, for finding north, south, east and west in the night sky.

The head always faces northerly, feet southerly, one side east, the other west. And like everything else in the sky, it always appears to move from east to west.

BrewTech
2nd June 2010, 04:15 PM
I love the constellation Orion.

It is very easy to find, and in my opinion, at least in the northern hemisphere, it is the easiest indicator, or compass, for finding north, south, east and west in the night sky.

The head always faces northerly, feet southerly, one side east, the other west. And like everything else in the sky, it always appears to move from east to west.


Agreed, back in my telescope days, I used to spend hours tripping hard on the Orion Nebula. Sure, it only looks like fog this far away, but it's a friggin' NEBULA!! You can see the stars inside it... too cool.