Natalee Holloway

[willie pete]

Remember her from a few years back? disappeared in Aruba, looks like the suspect in her disappearence may be at it again.....

Holloway suspect sought in Peru murder
From Associated Press
June 02, 2010 5:12 PM EDT
LIMA, Peru (AP) � Peruvian police say a young Dutchman twice arrested in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway is now a suspect in the slaying of a Peruvian woman.

Chief of detectives Col. Miguel Canlla says police are seeking Joran van der Sloot in the Sunday killing of 21-year-old Stephany Flores in a Lima hotel.

The girl's father, Ricardo Flores, says van der Sloot appears with her in video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday.

Police say they are seeking to confirm van der Sloot's identity with the Dutch Embassy. It refused to comment to The Associated Press.

Peruvian immigration officials say van der Sloot departed Peru on Monday. Canlla says Peru is asking Chilean authorities for help in the case.



UpDate:

Now it seems the guy was trying to extort money ... :D sorta reminds me of OJ writing that book "IF I did it" it seems like those guys want to keep their names in the papers

"Holloway suspect accused of $250K extortion in Ala
KENDAL WEAVER
From Associated Press
June 03, 2010 10:21 PM EDT
MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) � A Dutch man suspected in the 2005 disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba was charged Thursday in Alabama with trying to extort $250,000 in return for disclosing the location of her body.

A criminal complaint by the U.S. Attorney in federal court in Birmingham also accused van der Sloot in May 2010 of promising to describe the circumstances of Holloway's death in return for the money. According to a sworn statement, van der Sloot got a partial payment of $15,000 wired to a Netherlands bank soon after.

He has long been a suspect in Aruba in the disappearance of Holloway, an 18-year-old from Mountain Brook, Ala., who was on a graduation trip to Aruba with other seniors when she turned up missing as they flew home. Her mother still lives in Alabama.

The name of the person paying the money was not given. A call to U.S. Attorney Joyce Vance was not immediately returned.

Van der Sloot was arrested Thursday in Chile as a suspect in the death of a 21-year-old Stephany Flores of Peru. She was found with a broken neck in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

The two-count complaint also charged van der Sloot with wire fraud stemming from the $15,000.

A statement from Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty said that she "extends her deepest sympathy to the family of Stephany Flores Ramirez and prays for swift and sure justice." She said that she was grateful for the prayers and support she's received.

A message left for Van der Sloot's attorney, Joe Tacopina of New York City, was not immediately returned."

[k-os]

If he's not guilty, I would say that is quite a coincidence.

[Quantum]

The Jewboy van der Sloot will escape this one, too.

[sirgonzo420]

The Jewboy van der Sloot will escape this one, too.


What makes you think he's jewish?

[zusn]

If he's not guilty, I would say that is quite a coincidence.
I've seen a lot of stuff about this guy. He's a creepy pile of lying shit. I hope the Holloway family gets the answers they've been looking for.

[willie pete]

If he's not guilty, I would say that is quite a coincidence.


Yea, seems everywhere he goes, pretty young girls disappear

[Quantum]

The Jewboy van der Sloot will escape this one, too.


What makes you think he's jewish?




The van der Sloots are part of the highly influential Dutch Jewish community on Aruba.

[Libertarian_Guard]

This guy and O.J. Simpson could give seminars on how to scam any criminal justice system.

Lawyer up 101

Evidence disposal 101

How to play Innocent, and act the supprised victim in front of the camera.

[MNeagle]

Chile police detain Dutchman in Peru killing

LIMA, Peru – A Dutch man long suspected in the disappearance of an Alabama teen in Aruba was arrested Thursday in the murder of a young woman in Peru.

Stephany Flores, 21, was killed in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

The suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was escorted by three police officers as he was taken from a dark vehicle into a police office in downtown Santiago, Chile. He made no comment as he entered, walking calmly and without handcuffs as journalists shouted his name.

Van der Sloot was detained while traveling in a taxi, about halfway to the coast on Route 68, said Prefect Alfredo Espinosa, chief national spokesman for Chile's investigative police. The suspect did not resist and has been calm in detention, Espinosa said.

Chilean police are awaiting instructions from their counterparts in Peru, Espinosa added.

In Lima, police Gen. Cesar Guardia said Flores, who had been seen with the suspect early Sunday, was found Wednesday lying face down on the floor of van der Sloot's hotel room. Her neck was broken, and she was fully clothed, with no signs of having been sexually abused, Guardia told The Associated Press.

Authorities found no potential murder weapons in the room, Garcia said.

Flores was killed exactly five years after the May 30, 2005, disappearance of Holloway during a high school trip in Aruba, a Dutch Caribbean island where van der Sloot's late father was a prominent judge.

Prosecutors said van der Sloot is still their main suspect in the case even though he was never charged.

Guardia said the 22-year-old Dutchman was in Peru for a poker tournament and appears with the dead woman in a video taken at a Lima casino early Sunday. The two were later seen entering the hotel by one of its employees about 5 a.m. and the Dutchman departed alone about four hours later, he said.

"We have an interview with a worker at the hotel who says she saw this foreigner with the victim enter his room," Guardia said.


The victim's father, Ricardo Flores, 48, is a former president of the Peruvian Automobile Club who won the "Caminos del Inca" rally in 1991 and brings circuses and foreign entertainers to Peru. He ran for vice president in 2001 and for president five years later on fringe tickets.

A lawyer for van der Sloot in New York, Joe Tacopina, cautioned against a rush to judgment.

"Joran van der Sloot has been falsely accused of murder once before. The fact is he wears a bull's-eye on his back now and he is a quote-unquote usual suspect when it comes to allegations of foul play," Tacopina said.

Van der Sloot was twice arrested but later released for lack of evidence in the 2005 disappearance of Holloway in Aruba.

No trace of her has been found and van der Sloot remains the main suspect in the case, Ann Angela, spokeswoman for the Aruba prosecutor's office, said Wednesday.

"What's happening now is incredible," she said. "At this moment we don't have anything to do with it, but we are following the case with great interest and if Peruvian authorities would need us, we are here."

The mystery of Holloway's disappearance garnered wide attention on television and in newspapers in Europe and the United States.

Two years ago, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of van der Sloot saying he was with Holloway when she collapsed on a beach from being drunk. He said he believed she was dead and asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

Judges subsequently refused to arrest van der Sloot on the basis of the tape.

A spokeswoman for Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty of Mountain Brook, Alabama, told the AP the family was aware of the development in Peru but would have no comment.

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[AndreaGail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyGioxzDAw

[TPTB]

That is so gross... after reading the news report and then watching the video tape... it seems he broke the girls neck, changed his clothes and left the premises like a sneaky cat who'd just eaten a canary.

Total psychopath. That poor girl. It just makes me shudder.

[Quantum]

If he had killed my daughter as Natalee Holloway, this poor girl wouldn't be dead...because I would have rendered justice before he got to her, myself.

We need vigilance...lots of it.

[TPTB]

If he had killed my daughter as Natalee Holloway, this poor girl wouldn't be dead...because I would have rendered justice before he got to her, myself.

We need vigilance...lots of it.


Yeah, I know what you're saying...on a personal level I'm in agreement. I've come way too close, and know I'm quite capable of "vigilance" myself. Given the right circumstance, I wouldn't hesitate. I know the feeling of righteousness that very clearly wells up beyond intellect or logic, beyond hate and in fact beyond emotion. It seems to emanate from the solar plexus and is as still and as cold as ice. If any loved one of mine were cut down in such a fashion and I knew who did it with the knowing certainty of righteousness, I would be content going to the gallows for murder.

But at the same time, I don't believe any man made organization has the right to take a human life. Organizations that are created for the purpose of meting out justice were created essentially in order to limit personal responsibility.

"There is no justice, but for the justice between me and my maker."

That sounds like a quote I swiped from somewhere, but I can't think where. Probably some stupid movie. :D

[willie pete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyGioxzDAw


Can anyone tell how long he was in the room with the girl by looking at the tape counter time bottom left?

[k-os]

Can anyone tell how long he was in the room with the girl by looking at the tape counter time bottom left?


It looks like they shut the door at 05:34:03, and he opens the door at 00:50:41.

[AndreaGail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyGioxzDAw


Can anyone tell how long he was in the room with the girl by looking at the tape counter time bottom left?


the msm has been saying roughly 4 hours...

[willie pete]

Can anyone tell how long he was in the room with the girl by looking at the tape counter time bottom left?


It looks like they shut the door at 05:34:03, and he opens the door at 00:50:41.


Yea, think you're right, I suppose they have a live feed from that camera too the whole time they were in there, I haven't been following the case closely, but did I hear they didn't find her until a day or two after he left?

[philo beddoe]

That is so gross... after reading the news report and then watching the video tape... it seems he broke the girls neck, changed his clothes and left the premises like a sneaky cat who'd just eaten a canary.

Total psychopath. That poor girl. It just makes me shudder.
He may be, and probably is a psychopath. But it seems like to me he has a blind rage that he can not control. This girl did not seem too attractive, so I don't know why he would have a jealous rage. So it must be some mother issues.

[Libertarian_Guard]

That is so gross... after reading the news report and then watching the video tape... it seems he broke the girls neck, changed his clothes and left the premises like a sneaky cat who'd just eaten a canary.

Total psychopath. That poor girl. It just makes me shudder.
He may be, and probably is a psychopath. But it seems like to me he has a blind rage that he can not control. This girl did not seem too attractive, so I don't know why he would have a jealous rage. So it must be some mother issues.



My, my, the board is full of freudian slips tonight. Didn't you mean to say 'other issues?'

[Quantum]

If he had killed my daughter as Natalee Holloway, this poor girl wouldn't be dead...because I would have rendered justice before he got to her, myself.

We need vigilance...lots of it.


if you mean

no high school seniors class trips outside of our country


I agree


No, I mean this punk should have had a bullet in his head once it was clear he did it (he admitted it).

No senior class trips out of the country, especially to a party locale, is a great idea, too.

[Quantum]

Yeah, I know what you're saying...on a personal level I'm in agreement. I've come way too close, and know I'm quite capable of "vigilance" myself. Given the right circumstance, I wouldn't hesitate. I know the feeling of righteousness that very clearly wells up beyond intellect or logic, beyond hate and in fact beyond emotion. It seems to emanate from the solar plexus and is as still and as cold as ice. If any loved one of mine were cut down in such a fashion and I knew who did it with the knowing certainty of righteousness, I would be content going to the gallows for murder.


Exterminating Joran van der Sloot is no different than squashing an insect. No "hate," no "vengeance." Just cleaning up a pest that will (did) kill again.




But at the same time, I don't believe any man made organization has the right to take a human life. Organizations that are created for the purpose of meting out justice were created essentially in order to limit personal responsibility.


The "justice" system has utterly failed. Van der Slut's daddy was a Jew-judge who got his ass out of the ringer.

Our inability as a people to render justice is one of the harbingers of the collapse of our culture and civilization. This idiotic "we can't take justice into our own hands" is a sibling to "oooh, guns are evil," and "we mustn't offend anyone."

A young lady is quite dead because of the fvcktard mentality of "we have to let the system work." The "system" did not work.

[Quantum]

That is so gross... after reading the news report and then watching the video tape... it seems he broke the girls neck, changed his clothes and left the premises like a sneaky cat who'd just eaten a canary.

Total psychopath. That poor girl. It just makes me shudder.
He may be, and probably is a psychopath. But it seems like to me he has a blind rage that he can not control. This girl did not seem too attractive, so I don't know why he would have a jealous rage. So it must be some mother issues.



My, my, the board is full of freudian slips tonight. Didn't you mean to say 'other issues?'


I think PB wrote it correctly...I agree...he has some "mother issues." He's a textbook misogynist...woman-hater.

[Horn]

five years to the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Issues, yes this much is obvious.

[StackerKen]

I don't have any problem with capital punishment for guys like that.

[Greenbear]

She was found with a broken neck in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Dates are important to Satanic/Illuminists.

Breaking news: Stormfront fingers Van Der Sloot as a Jew. He must be since only Jews have ever done evil in the history of the world. :whistle

[Neuro]

five years to the day after Natalee Holloway disappeared.

Issues, yes this much is obvious.

Probably, just wanted to celebrate the anniversary...

I don't have a problem with death penalty in cases like these. I think life in solitary confinement without chance of parole would be too cruel.

[TPTB]

She was found with a broken neck in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Dates are important to Satanic/Illuminists.

Breaking news: Stormfront fingers Van Der Sloot as a Jew. He must be since only Jews have ever done evil in the history of the world. :whistle


Hey Greenbear, glad to see you back...

And yeah, I googled for evidence too and really only found stormfront. Figures. I read somewhere that Natalee Hollaway was Jewish though. But that could be a rumor as well.

[JDRock]

...i just HOPE the chilean jails are as bad as the mexican ones... :CS

[Greenbear]

She was found with a broken neck in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Dates are important to Satanic/Illuminists.

Breaking news: Stormfront fingers Van Der Sloot as a Jew. He must be since only Jews have ever done evil in the history of the world. :whistle


Hey Greenbear, glad to see you back...

And yeah, I googled for evidence too and really only found stormfront. Figures. I read somewhere that Natalee Hollaway was Jewish though. But that could be a rumor as well.


Thanks, TPTB.

I'm beginning to suspect that everybody is Jewish.

[TPTB]

She was found with a broken neck in a Lima hotel Sunday, five years to the day after Holloway disappeared.

Dates are important to Satanic/Illuminists.

Breaking news: Stormfront fingers Van Der Sloot as a Jew. He must be since only Jews have ever done evil in the history of the world. :whistle


Hey Greenbear, glad to see you back...

And yeah, I googled for evidence too and really only found stormfront. Figures. I read somewhere that Natalee Hollaway was Jewish though. But that could be a rumor as well.


Thanks, TPTB.

I'm beginning to suspect that everybody is Jewish.


I also read that Natalee Holloway's Mom was dating Jon Benet Ramsey's Dad when Natalee disappeared. :whistle

[Large Sarge]

do we have any proof that van der sloot is jewish?

or just speculation?

Anyone offer up anything? (marriage announcements, Joran's Barmitzvah, etc)


pretty normal for a father to protect his son, his dad was a bigwig in Aruba/judicial system, so he pulled some strings and got the case thrown out.

[philo beddoe]

http://judicial-inc.org/

[Quantum]

do we have any proof that van der sloot is jewish?


judicial-inc.biz has the details, but they're still recovering from a cyberattack, and the full dossier isn't online yet:

http://judicial-inc.biz/

[JDRock]

http://judicial-inc.org/

excellent link philo

[willie pete]

Looks like he confessed....the guy was a predator

Police: Dutchman confesses to killing Lima woman

ILE -- In a June 4, 2010 file photo Dutch citizen Joran Van der Sloot is escorted by police officers outside a Peruvian police station, near the border with Chile in Tacna, Peru. Peruvian police said Tuesday June 7, 2010 Dutchman Joran Van der Sloot has confessed to killing a young woman in his Lima hotel room last week.FRANKLIN BRICENO
From Associated Press
June 08, 2010 12:12 PM EDT
LIMA, Peru (AP) � Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, long the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of a U.S. teen in Aruba, has confessed to killing a young Peruvian woman in his Lima hotel room, a police spokesman said.

Peru's chief police spokesman, Col. Abel Gamarra, told The Associated Press that Van der Sloot admitted under police questioning Monday that he killed 21-year-old Stephany Flores on May 30.

The broadcaster America Television reported that Van der Sloot killed Flores in a rage after learning she had looked up information about his past on his laptop. It said it had access to details of the confession but did not cite its source.

Gamarra would not provide details of the confession. Nor would the chief of Peru's criminal police, Gen. Cesar Guardia, when the AP reached him by telephone. Guardia said only police director Gen. Miguel Hidalgo could authorize the information to be divulged. Hidalgo's cell phone rang unanswered.

Asked about the Van der Sloot confession, a brother of the victim, Enrique Flores, told the AP "we are not going to make any comment. This is in the hands of the police, of the justice system."

Van der Sloot's confession came on his third full day in Peruvian police custody, on the eve of a planned trip to the hotel in which he was to participate in a reconstruction of the events leading to Flores' slaying, Gamarra said.

Flores, a business student, was found beaten to death, her neck broken, in the 22-year-old Dutchman's hotel room. Police said the two met playing poker at a casino.

Video from hotel security cameras shows the two entering Van der Sloot's hotel room together at 5 a.m. Saturday and Van der Sloot leaving alone four hours later with his bags. Police say Van der Sloot also left the hotel briefly at 8:10 a.m. and returned with two cups of coffee and bread purchased across the street at a supermarket.

Gamarra said the case would now be turned over to prosecutors to present formal charges and Van der Sloot will be assigned to a prison while he awaits trial. Murder convictions carry a maximum of 35 years in prison in Peru and it was not immediately clear if a confession could lead to a reduced sentence.

Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the 2005 disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, then 18, on the Caribbean resort island of Aruba while she was celebrating her high school graduation.

He was arrested twice in the case � and gave a number of conflicting confessions, some in TV interviews � but was freed for lack of evidence.

Holloway's father told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Tuesday that Van der Sloot should tell all he knows about the disappearance of his daughter.

"He confessed to this one ... I would like for him to tell everyone what happened" in the earlier case, Dave Holloway said. "Hopefully this is his last victim."

A fixture on true crime shows and in tabloids after Holloway's disappearance, he gained a reputation for lying � even admitting a penchant for it � and also exhibited a volatile temper. In one Dutch television interview he threw a glass of wine in a reporter's eyes. In another, he smashed a glass of water against a wall in a fury.

The 6-foot-3 (191-centimeter) -tall Van der Sloot had been held at Peruvian criminal police headquarters since arriving Saturday in a police convoy from Chile, where he was captured on Thursday.

He had crossed into Chile on Monday, nearly a day after leaving the Lima hotel � five years to the day after Holloway's disappearance.

Lima's deputy medical investigator, Victor Tejada, told the AP that Flores was killed by blows with a blunt object, probably the tennis racket found in the hotel room.

Guardia told the AP her body was found face down and clothed with no indication of sexual assault.

In video taken of the Dutchman that was broadcast by a TV channel, Peruvian police were seen searching Van der Sloot's belongings in his presence, pulling a laptop, a business-card holder and 15 bills in foreign currency from his backpack.

Chilean police who questioned Van der Sloot earlier said he declared himself innocent of the Lima slaying but acknowledged knowing Flores.

Van der Sloot was represented by a state-appointed lawyer during Saturday's questioning and both a Dutch Embassy official and his U.S.-based attorney told the AP on Sunday that he was seeking to hire his own counsel.

The suspect's father, a former judge and attorney on the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba, died in February. Van der Sloot has two brothers.

There were indications Van der Sloot may have been traveling on money gained through extortion.

The day of his arrest in Chile, Van der Sloot was charged in the United States with trying to extort $250,000 from Holloway's family in exchange for disclosing the location of her body and describing how she died.

U.S. prosecutors say $15,000 was transferred to a Dutch bank account in his name on May 10. He arrived in Peru four days later, his visit coinciding with the runup to a June 2-5 Latin America Poker Tour tournament with a $930,000 prize pool.

Tournament organizers said Van der Sloot did not sign up to participate in the event.

Van der Sloot is an avid gambler and was known to frequent Aruba's casino hotels, one of which was lodging Natalee Holloway.

In a lengthy 2006 interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News, Van der Sloot described drinking shots of rum with Holloway, whom he said he met while playing poker at an Aruba casino, then taking her to a beach and leaving her there around 3:30 a.m.

Two years later, a Dutch television crime reporter captured hidden-camera footage of Van der Sloot saying that after Holloway, drunk, collapsed on the beach while the two were kissing he asked a friend to dump her body in the sea.

"I would never murder a girl," he said.

That interview prompted authorities in Aruba to reopen the case, but Van der Sloot later said he made up the whole story and he was not charged.

The crime reporter, Peter de Vries � the victim of the wine-throwing incident � reported later in 2008 that Van der Sloot was recruiting Thai women in Bangkok for sex work in the Netherlands.

___

[Greenbear]

Apparently Peru does not have the death penalty for "ordinary" murder. Too bad.

Peru is one of nine countries in the world that does have the death penalty, but only for crimes 'committed in exceptional circumstances'. This means crimes that are committed in times of war or genocide or crimes under military law. Murder is considered an 'ordinary crime' and so if Joran Van Der Sloot is found guilty of killing Stephany Flores it is not likely that he will face the death penalty as part of his punishment.

[willie pete]

I noticed the article says the Max in Peru for murder is 35 years, maybe he'll get the max, I'd have to think even when/if he's convicted and he gets out, he's likely to do it again, I get the impression he's a Dutch-version of OJ, either unable to control emotions/impulses OR he may enjoy hurting women, ala Ted Bundy

[Greenbear]

Maybe some Peruvian inmates will do the job.

[zap]

Yes maybe her family can hire one of the Peruvian inmates to do him in.

I really hope he gets what he deserves, and I hope he finally tells the Holloway family what happened to their daughter.

[zusn]

Yes maybe her family can hire one of the Peruvian inmates to do him in.

I really hope he gets what he deserves, and I hope he finally tells the Holloway family what happened to their daughter.
That should be very easy (and relatively inexpensive) to arrange.

As for what he did to their daughter, he's such a liar, any "confession" will never be 100% believed. They'll still go to bed at night wondering what happened to her.

[philo beddoe]

That is so gross... after reading the news report and then watching the video tape... it seems he broke the girls neck, changed his clothes and left the premises like a sneaky cat who'd just eaten a canary.

Total psychopath. That poor girl. It just makes me shudder.
He may be, and probably is a psychopath. But it seems like to me he has a blind rage that he can not control. This girl did not seem too attractive, so I don't know why he would have a jealous rage. So it must be some mother issues.



My, my, the board is full of freudian slips tonight. Didn't you mean to say 'other issues?'
No one is listening to you lib...........

[zap]

The girl looks drugged as they are walking into the room. Date rape drug?

[PatColo]

I also read that Natalee Holloway's Mom was dating Jon Benet Ramsey's Dad when Natalee disappeared. :whistle


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[Dachsie]

Natalee Holloway case and human trafficking issue has become a live issue again.

Trump and wife saying things lately to the effect that the human sex trafficking issue in all its ugliness is going to be shown fully very soon "whether you want to see it or not."

Maxwell and Jon Benet Ramsey case and all of this is connected.

Even underground trafficking tunels in L A and NYC.

They talk about it a little on this show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z87GC3hq_pM