What percent of the population is actually starting to get it?

[bonaparte]

Any idea? Are people getting mad, or are they just putting up with things. I'm not talking about hard core people like us, I just was wondering if anybody had a handle on what percent of the population is getting pissed with the abuses of your government, and if we even stand a chance of change before we totally lose all our rights?

[Apparition]

Certainly not enough.

I think there are still too many people who hate government for some things (warfare, expansion, waste, etc.) BUT they still want it for other things (welfare, warfare, etc.).

Probably the only time when they'll get it is when the upcoming financial crisis hits, the dollar plummets, and people begin rioting in the streets and looting stores.

[ximmy]

I agree, we are in the minority still.. I was just at Fox news website... usually my kind of news... saying how Obama abandoned Israel over the flotilla incident... Hundreds of fox news listeners replied who are raging against the Palestinians...

They just don't get it, they are mass media peasants... with faulty Christian ideas, NOT yet recognizing the Palestinians are Christians and the Israelis are Jews, and the American Christians are supporting the ones WHO KILLED THEIR CHRIST!!! and continue to let their Palestinian brothers and sisters suffer...

this is so wrong.

[FunnyMoney]

Ximmy, I think you need to get your facts straight. The world is not divided up into those who are Christians and then those who are Jews. The world is divided up into those who are criminals and those who are not.


Anyway, back to the op, please! Get a grip here ok and allow me to remind you that there are about 6 billion people looking to same people who got them into this mess to take charge of the clean up, and get a bonus and more power while doing it. Then, last count I took showed only 44 anonymous Internet posters even willing to take a verbal stand on the issue.

For 5 decades the silver has been removed from the coin in every corner of the globe. There's only one middle class left in the world with a semblance of the right to self-protection and they're on a quick path to insignificance. History has been very clear as to how that turns out.

Toast, ok. Or in other words... 0 %. Sorry to have to break the news. But denial of the truth is not a good strategy.

[Ponce]

The Americanos usually think of the Latin Amerian countries as "banana republics" because they are always having a revolution and changing the government, usually eighteen percent wants changes.

Here in the states 73% of the country were against Bush Jr and yet........nothing happened, that makes me believe not only that the banana republics are more free than you here in the states but also that they HAVE MORE BALLS.

I know that the Founding Fathers of this once great nation would be ashamed of you as I am.......dream tonight of what you once were and do something about it.

[ximmy]

The Americanos usually think of the Latin Amerian countries as "banana republics" because they are always having a revolution and changing the government, usually eighteen percent wants changes.

Here in the states 73% of the country were against Bush Jr and yet........nothing happened, that makes me believe not only that the banana republics are more free than you here in the states but also that they HAVE MORE BALLS.

I know that the Founding Fathers of this once great nation would be ashamed of you as I am.......dream tonight of what you once were and do something about it.


I agree other countries citizens have more balls (at the moment).. just look at protests, american protests are mild by comparison... but many countries ban citizen weaponry... if we-the-people wake up we have an unlimited supply of arsenal for combat, from citizenry stockpiles to private machine shops for production... the possibilities are endless.. at some point our freedoms, as we use them, may become truly useful.

I think we will wake up when inflation grows uncontrollably.. the banksters cannot print forever, and the 41 percent of us who work private sector cannot support the larger percentage of people who live on a government check, payed by taxes... unfreaking believable

[k-os]

I think you are going to have to define "get it".

People are getting mad about one or two things (oil gusher, health care), but from my view . . . in real life . . . if they can buy a shiny new car, play with their toys, or watch mind numbing television, then they've forgotten the anger that was on the edge of their brain.

Something I was thinking about the other day while I ranted to some friends and they nodded and smiled but sat wordlessly: We are taught as children that in order to be polite we should not discuss politics or religion. That was brilliant programming, if you ask me.

[Large Sarge]

one thing I can share is that if you can offer valid, peaceful solutions, more folks are receptive to it (the pre-programmed, flouridated zombies)

like on this gulf oil spill, why are we not using the microbes to clean it up???

cheaper, more effective, etc does not leave big dead zones after the clean up (life returns to the water), etc

there are warehouses full of this stuff in texas, just sitting there

and the only equipment needed is a water hose (almost all ships come with a water hose)

you could have an armada out there spraying this stuff

and the bacteria are going to reproduce, increase in number, the more oil they find.

[Saul Mine]

Everybody I know firmly believes we need a government whether they know why or not. They don't expect honesty in officials, never did. But they still think they need a government.

Money? Not a clue. Money is whatever the government prints for the purpose. As long as they can get some they will keep plugging away.

That's why we call them sheeple.

[Ponce]

Mss K?........in order to "get it" you must know what is really going on and who is behind it, sorry to say that MOST American don't even like to read and much less to think about it, they live for the moment as they are living from pay check to pay check.

[gunDriller]

Any idea? Are people getting mad, or are they just putting up with things. I'm not talking about hard core people like us, I just was wondering if anybody had a handle on what percent of the population is getting pissed with the abuses of your government, and if we even stand a chance of change before we totally lose all our rights?

i would say that most Americans are pissed off about the state of affairs in the US today.

but they have great trouble letting go of the left-right Democrat-Republican model.

as far as people that perceive that Rachel Maddow & Rush Limbaugh, or, Obama & Bush, if you prefer that metaphor, are 2 sides of the same coin - maybe 10% of the US population understands this.

so i would say most Americans are getting mad, and they're just putting up with things.

[Sparky]

If by "get it", we mean that the people now realize that they are really getting jerked around by government and big business and banks, and that we are on dangerous ground, and that the current path is unstable and unsustainable...

I think probably around 20-30% of the people now get this. Three years ago I would have said 2-3%.

Think about it: Sales of gold, guns, and long shelf-life food supplies have been on a record pace over the last couple of years. Somebody's catching on.

[StackerKen]

What blows my mind is, why would anyone vote for any Incumbent?

yet some Incumbents are leading in some polls........I just don't get that ???

[Brent]

By my estimate only about 10% are even capable of thinking for themselves.

The other 90% are followers and are lost causes. They don't want to think for themselves, in fact it scares the living hell out of them.

So in the end we can only count on about 10%, the others will follow their leaders as they have since the beginning of history.

[Libertytree]

Having worked with the public for the better part of 30 years and at the same time being a very outspoken guy about the evils of our central government, Fed resv, Illuminati etc etc... and having kept a mental tracking of public sentiments I can say without a doubt that there has been a shift in people getting it or waking up.

9/11 really helped the freedom movement but the financial collapse of 08/bailouts of 08-09 hit a lot of people hard and kind of solidified the mood of folks who were already starting not to buy what was being sold. Then Ron Pauls' run for president opened up a few more eyes.

Has there been enough awakening to make a true difference, I don't think so, not yet. Is it snowballing? yes but that has been happening very slowly for the last 30 years and only until fairly recently has it hit people up side the head like a 2X4.

I generically ask myself what event could finally turn the tide in favor of the freedom movement? Maybe there is no such event short of total and utter collapse of the dollar and this economy and that will surely ratchet up the power and scope of the now well entrenched police state. Then, I think patriots from every corner, nook and cranny will finally realize they have nothing left to lose.

As some of you know or may not know, I'm involved in the Restore America Plan, it's the best alternative that I've seen in my 30 years of wailing against the machine. But, I'm not here to convince you of its merits or why you might want or not to be involved, it's simply what I'm doing...besides still laying in supplies.

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

We need to define what "get it" means. If you mean by it anarcho-libertarianism then next to no one "gets it". If you mean by it that the USA is the bad guy world wide, then I think more people in the USA are starting to get that. In the world at large, almost everyone gets it. Government is here to stay, by the way. Lets just try and have one that actually cares about the country at large, instead of a few corporations and lobby groups.

[ximmy]

For me... the definition is obvious... I would say the kid in this post "gets it"

http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/our-legal-system-creating-domestic-terrorists-one-child-at-a-time/

[Sparky]

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I generically ask myself what event could finally turn the tide in favor of the freedom movement? Maybe there is no such event short of total and utter collapse of the dollar and this economy and that will surely ratchet up the power and scope of the now well entrenched police state. Then, I think patriots from every corner, nook and cranny will finally realize they have nothing left to lose.
...

This is an interesting question. I'm in the camp that says the dollar will inexorably erode but not "collapse", so I don't see that being it. I say a more likely trigger would come from some temporary supply interruption, perhaps in either cash, food, water, electricity, gasoline, or heating oil. These are necessary items that depend on an efficient delivery system, and if it were to break down for just one week, it would make the entire situation more "real" for a lot people, rather than just conceptual.

[hoarder]

To me, "begining to get it" would be defined as having a sense that media and government is lying to us and manipulating us. Maybe not even that much, I meet people who have an idea that we are headed for disaster but they are unsure why or exactly how. When I tell them how media decieves people they listen intently.

Government employees and urban people seem to be less aware than rural people, at least in my region.

I would say that 25% of rural men are begining to get it. But it's a long road from "begining to get it" to having a good general idea about the New World Order, then another uphill battle to getting them to understand the Jew World Order.

[sirgonzo420]

To me, "begining to get it" would be defined as having a sense that media and government is lying to us and manipulating us. Maybe not even that much, I meet people who have an idea that we are headed for disaster but they are unsure why or exactly how. When I tell them how media decieves people they listen intently.

Government employees and urban people seem to be less aware than rural people, at least in my region.

I would say that 25% of rural men are begining to get it. But it's a long road from "begining to get it" to having a good general idea about the New World Order, then another uphill battle to getting them to understand the Jew World Order.




I have found that many "urban" blacks "get it".

Of course, many of those same blacks hold their hand out for hand-outs to "get theirs" from whitey...

[Desolation LineTrimmer]

To me, "begining to get it" would be defined as having a sense that media and government is lying to us and manipulating us. Maybe not even that much, I meet people who have an idea that we are headed for disaster but they are unsure why or exactly how. When I tell them how media decieves people they listen intently.




This perception is definitely abroad in the land, from what I hear.

[StackerKen]

I thought I was starting to get it....Then I realized that the more I get it, the more I realize that I don't get it



???


But anyhow...At least I Got some food stored and I got some Gold and silver stacked.....I got that

[sirgonzo420]

I thought I was starting to get it....Then I realized that the more I get it, the more I realize that I don't get it



???


But anyhow...At least I Got some food stored and I got some Gold and silver stacked.....I got that






You got it, Ken!

[NOOB]

10% "starting to get it"

[Ponce]

That means that we will have to fight only 90% of the population.....it could have been worse.......like..........91% of the population hahahahahahaha.

[ximmy]

Roughly
1-3% really get it
3-6% gets it
7-12% are beginning to get it
97-99% Are not ready and willing to act as their lifestyles are still too comfy and they still have way too much to loose.



but using your most conservative estimates is that not 108%

[sirgonzo420]

Roughly
1-3% really get it
3-6% gets it
7-12% are beginning to get it
97-99% Are not ready and willing to act as their lifestyles are still too comfy and they still have way too much to loose.



but using your most conservative estimates is that not 108%


Eh, 68.7% of all percentages are made up anyway.

[ximmy]

To know is one thing
To know and understand is another
To Know, to understand the mess we are collectively in and being ready to act even if the outcome result in the possibility you might loose everything you hold dear...That my friend is miles away compared to the 2 previous assumption.

One category does not necessarily exclude the other but it does not mean that an individual must fit into 2 or 3 group.

-------
Say no more. More categories, please...
We will ask Dr. Know! There is nothing he doesn't.

[TheNocturnalEgyptian]

Certainly not enough.

I think there are still too many people who hate government for some things (warfare, expansion, waste, etc.) BUT they still want it for other things (welfare, warfare, etc.).





This is pretty much word for word what I am seeing.

[FunnyMoney]

To Know, to understand the mess we are collectively in and being ready to act even if the outcome result in the possibility you might loose everything you hold dear... - Goldgonewild


The resolve sounds admirable. But that strategy is not going to work. The situation is going to require the impossible. Which is that instead of only a few % willing/able to get it, that nearly all must get educated about local control and cooperation vs. leaving responsibilities to others.

A better strategy is to persist and educate until some future (hopefully) day comes where collectively people just say forget it to taxes, wars and fake money. Walk away, go outside the system all together. I really don't see a plan A working anytime soon. The track record of plan A indicates to me that much more is required.




Everybody I know firmly believes we need a government whether they know why or not. They don't expect honesty in officials, never did. But they still think they need a government.

Money? Not a clue. Money is whatever the government prints for the purpose. As long as they can get some they will keep plugging away.

That's why we call them sheeple. - Saul Mine


I think the above can be useful to build a strategy on. Without more education, the world is in trouble. But the education systems have ranged from inadaquate to down right propaganda.

Also, the nature of most, including many on the freedom forums has been to lash out at the symptom issues without the discipline to stay focused on just the 2 primary topics above: the medium of exchanges and the control systems. These 2 are the root causes and everything from the MIC to the mafias are built upon that.

A first step would be simply to roll back everything to the states and agreements between them, and from there try to make as much as possible become a process of local communities. Once the federal parasite was gone, people would have the extra wealth and time to participate in community and regional affairs.

But training sheeple about taking personal responsibility and the nature of the world has rarely worked, ... so back to the persist strategy. Persist with hope I guess it's called.

[bonaparte]

Interesting perspectives here. Looks like no matter what happens we are all going to be up against 50%+ of the population when TSHTF.

[Libertytree]

Interesting perspectives here. Looks like no matter what happens we are all going to be up against 50%+ of the population when TSHTF.


My opinion on that is that most of those people will take themselves out of the game sota speak by fleeing to a FEMA "help center" or some such. Not that it's gonna make it any easier at all, there's lots of folks left that will have to be dealt with that are a whole more forrmidable.

[gunDriller]

I have found that many "urban" blacks "get it".


definitely, possibly through Nation of Islam.

i heard one African American guy on the bus, he was talking about Israel, he definitely knew they were the victimizer & not the victim. he also had the NoI dress.

[k-os]

The above post reminds me of a conversation I had with a Rastafarian man last year on the island of Barbuda. We were complete strangers, but somehow began a conversation that most "polite" friends would never have. He started talking about bartering, genetically modified food, chemtrails, control, etc. He knew that money was not real, it was just paper! From the outside, you'd think we would have nothing in common, but I had a very interesting time talking with this dread-locked black resident of Barbuda.

He said that he eats only his own food, and everyone should do just that. He was very firm about this. He felt that that if you can't grow or raise your own food, you can't eat, and if you can't eat, you can't provide for your wife, and if you can't provide for your wife, you cannot have children.

Is it possible that more people really do "get it", but because we have been taught not to talk about it . . . we just don't know that more people are getting it? This memory made me a tad hopeful.

[Liquid]

Is it possible that more people really do "get it", but because we have been taught not to talk about it . . . we just don't know that more people are getting it? This memory made me a tad hopeful.


Bingo. I've found that people will talk about it, when they feel that you are comfortably listening. In my line of work, we often have down time that leads to some great discussions with my coworkers. I'm always keeping a keen ear open for comments of people that 'get it'. When I hear a comment, I listen, ask questions, and try to guide the conversation in a direction of mutual understanding.

I