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Shami-Amourae
3rd June 2010, 03:47 PM
The California Assembly on Wednesday approved a bill that would ban stores from providing plastic bags, and require them to charge for paper ones.


California is poised to take the national and global lead on yet another key environmental issue: single-use paper and plastic bags handed out at grocery, convenience, and other stores.

The state Assembly approved AB 1998 Wednesday, which would require shoppers who don’t bring their own bags to the store to purchase paper bags made of at least 40 percent recycled material or buy reusable totes. The statewide ban, which would go further than plastic bag bans in at least five cities, including San Francisco, would be the nation’s first. It moves on to the Senate Thursday, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has said that he supports it – a rare revelation that could aid its passage, according to several observers.

(It passed the Assembly 41-27, with no Republican votes.)

Some 19 billion bags a year are used by California’s 38 million people. According to the bill's the sponsor, Assemblywoman Julia Brownley, the state spends $25 million annually to collect and bury a portion of them. China and Bangladesh already have plastic bag bans in place, and the United Nations has called for the bans to go global. North Carolina has banned plastic bags on its Outer Banks.

“By passing AB 1998, Californians are signaling to the nation their commitment to wean themselves from a costly plastic and paper bag habit that is threatening marine life and spoiling the natural beauty of this state,” Ms. Brownley said in a statement. “Single-use bags are major contributors to marine debris, which has injured or killed 267 species worldwide.”

She calls the plastic bags “urban tumbleweed.”

Environmental groups have enthusiastically welcomed the idea of a bag ban.

“Clearly this is the right thing to do regarding the environment and ocean life,” says Wade Crowfoot, a senior analyst for the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF). He notes the growth of the great pacific garbage patch, a vortex of plastic trash that many scientists suggest extends over a very wide area of ocean – with estimates ranging from an area the size of Texas to larger than the continental United States.

“There is undeniable evidence that these plastic bags negatively impact ocean life because they don’t break down. They hurt marine life,” he says.

Mr. Crowfoot was an aide to San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom when the city became the nation's first to ban plastic bags in 2007. He said the ban resulted in the removal of 150 million bags a year – 160 per person – and that the sky-is-falling predictions by opponents, over cost and inconvenience, did not materialize. “There were minimal complaints once this got going,” Crowfoot says.

“We are very happy about this development,” concurs Darby Hoover, senior resource specialist for the Natural Resources Defense Council, adding that the California legislation could become a model for the nation. Although several cities already had such legislation and others were considering it, she and others point out that AB 1998 creates the kind of uniformity needed by chains with stores in more than one locale.

“This offers a consistent, statewide approach so that everyone can know what to expect and [it] creates consistency for those businesses which span communities,” she says.

The American Chemistry Council has come out against the measure in a statement:

“The last thing California consumers need right now is to have what amounts to a $1 billion tax added to their grocery bills,” the group’s senior director, Tim Shestek, said in a statement. He added, “It’s astounding to think the Legislature is seriously considering creating a new $1 million bureaucracy to monitor how people choose to pack their groceries.”

However, EDF’s Crowfoot points out that “small companies and startups came out of the woodwork to create reusable bags which catalyzed new jobs and companies,” in the wake of the San Francisco law.

What helped the bill pass, say observers, was the California Grocers’ Association (CGA) support of it.

“We thought it was advisable that the state do something statewide rather than rely on a patchwork of similar laws, however well intentioned,” says Dave Heylen spokesman for CGA.

Source (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0603/California-advances-grocery-store-plastic-bag-ban)

Anyone else see a business opportunity here? Maybe sell paper/plastic bags online for people to shop in grocery stores, hehehe...

Desolation LineTrimmer
3rd June 2010, 03:56 PM
We need a thumb's up emoticon.

Shami-Amourae
3rd June 2010, 04:04 PM
Here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/smile-thumbs-up.gif

Apparition
3rd June 2010, 04:13 PM
How authoritarian of them.

I'm certainly not advocating the use of plastic bags instead of paper bags but I don't see any rationality for the CA legislature to dictate the type of grocery bags that stores should use.

Desolation LineTrimmer
3rd June 2010, 05:11 PM
Here:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/smile-thumbs-up.gif


thank you!

Desolation LineTrimmer
3rd June 2010, 05:14 PM
How authoritarian of them.

I'm certainly not advocating the use of plastic bags instead of paper bags but I don't see any rationality for the CA legislature to dictate the type of grocery bags that stores should use.


Because the store is not interested in what happens to their bags afterward.

k-os
3rd June 2010, 05:20 PM
California amazes me. They want to legislate every single aspect of a person's life.

I hate those darned plastic bags too, but do we have to have laws about them? I take my own bag to the store when I buy groceries. It's not the store's reusable bag, so everyone thinks I am stealing when I place my grocery items in my bag. So that's always fun.

To answer your question, Shami-Amourae: I think you could have a plastic bag stand outside the grocery store, just like the Girl Scouts have their cookie stands. But because this is California, you should know that as soon as you get your business up and running, they'll make a law prohibiting you from selling plastic bags.

ximmy
3rd June 2010, 05:24 PM
This is really about creating a new tax... if retailers charge for bags, there will be tax on the charge.

StackerKen
3rd June 2010, 05:31 PM
Those plastic bags come in handy for cleaning the cat box

Luckily, I have hundreds of them saved up

Desolation LineTrimmer
3rd June 2010, 05:33 PM
It always strikes me as funny when people get upset over regulation of plastic bags. Paper and the reusable totes have about 10x more class than those obnoxious plastic bags. And if there is one thing this country could use, it's more class. :)

JohnQPublic
3rd June 2010, 05:44 PM
Financial system collpased
Europe collapsing
USA printing hyperbolically
Gulf oil gushing out
Fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanastan with N Korea and Iran on the Horizon
etc., etc.,

What is the response of the "progressive" California legislature?

Ban plastic grocery bags.

CALIFORNIA IS RUN BY MORONS

Desolation LineTrimmer
3rd June 2010, 05:59 PM
Financial system collpased
Europe collapsing
USA printing hyperbolically
Gulf oil gushing out
Fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanastan with N Korea and Iran on the Horizon

None of this stuff is the legitimate concern of the California legislature. California is indeed run by idiots, but plastic bag legislative is one of the few things they've actually done right.

It can just as easily be said,

Financial system collpased
Europe collapsing
USA printing hyperbolically
Gulf oil gushing out
Fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanastan with N Korea and Iran on the Horizon

and what are people getting worked up over? Plastic bag legislation!

bkfm
3rd June 2010, 07:21 PM
Don't most people reuse the bags anyway? I use mine in my garbage cans and would just end up buying more plastic garbage bags anyway.

JohnQPublic
3rd June 2010, 09:28 PM
Financial system collpased
Europe collapsing
USA printing hyperbolically
Gulf oil gushing out
Fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanastan with N Korea and Iran on the Horizon

None of this stuff is the legitimate concern of the California legislature. California is indeed run by idiots, but plastic bag legislative is one of the few things they've actually done right.

It can just as easily be said,

Financial system collpased
Europe collapsing
USA printing hyperbolically
Gulf oil gushing out
Fighting wars in Iraq and Afghanastan with N Korea and Iran on the Horizon

and what are people getting worked up over? Plastic bag legislation!


Let me add a few:

California bankrupt
California printing IOUs
Los Angeles bankrupt
Orange County bankrupt
LAUSD bankrupt
etc., etc., etc. ::)

keehah
3rd June 2010, 09:38 PM
Legislating people on how one will pay for grocery bags when the state is weeks away from bankruptcy.

LOL.

Horn
3rd June 2010, 09:59 PM
Legislating people on how one will pay for grocery bags when the state is weeks away from bankruptcy.

LOL.

We won't be able to look back and say, that they didn't have the best intentions of aiming high.

Desolation LineTrimmer
4th June 2010, 08:18 AM
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Let me add a few:

California bankrupt
California printing IOUs
Los Angeles bankrupt
Orange County bankrupt
LAUSD bankrupt
etc., etc., etc. ::)


And environmental regulations are the cause of all this?

johnlvs2run
4th June 2010, 09:26 AM
I asked at a grocery wednesday when they are getting rid of the plastic bags, and they had no clue.
They knew nothing about it. They would happily keep producting and promoting plastic bags.

I am 100 percent in favor of getting rid of the plastic bags, because of all the destruction they cause.

Liberty means freedom with responsibility - not to destroy all the oceans.
That is not freedom, it is war. They are opposites. I am 100 percent for liberty, 100 percent against war.

- - - - -

BTW I have a pile of the paper bags and don't need any more. I'm looking into getting a few totes.

This one gave me a chuckle. :)

http://loveisdope.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/canvas-grocery-bag.jpg

StackerKen
4th June 2010, 09:39 AM
I don't think this is "Law" yet.

It still has to pass in the state senate

Quantum
4th June 2010, 02:41 PM
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Let me add a few:

California bankrupt
California printing IOUs
Los Angeles bankrupt
Orange County bankrupt
LAUSD bankrupt
etc., etc., etc. ::)


And environmental regulations are the cause of all this?


I don't have a problem with a plastic grocery bag ban, but the California Legislature has nothing better to focus on than this? How about having a budget ready, on time, for July 1st, something they haven't done for, what, decades? How late will it be this year? October?

JQP is right...

Desolation LineTrimmer
4th June 2010, 03:27 PM
The reason CA can't pass a budget is because a requirement for 2/3 majority for all tax increases. This has nothing to do with environmental regulations.

Quantum
4th June 2010, 07:40 PM
The reason CA can't pass a budget is because a requirement for 2/3 majority for all tax increases. This has nothing to do with environmental regulations.


Why don't they start earlier? They have to pass a budget annually. They always wait until the first week of July to even start serious discussions.

And my point is, do they have nothing better to do than ban plastic bags?

johnlvs2run
4th June 2010, 07:54 PM
They should reduce the spending, not increase the taxes.

California should be embarrassed, they still charge full property tax for people of retirement age.

Desolation LineTrimmer
5th June 2010, 07:13 AM
They should reduce the spending, not increase the taxes.




Yes, the gridlock in the CA state legislature is between the Democrats who want to retain their pet social programs and the Republicans who want lower taxes, or at least not have taxes raised. These days, due to the economy, doing both is impossible; but arriving at a resolution is difficult because of the 2/3 majority rule for any increase in taxes. Gridlock of the CA budget is the result. The plastic bag legislation has nothing to do with this, since it is not a tax increase.

You guys are arguing because the CA budget is gridlocked yearly no other legislation should be passed. Who knows, that might actually be a decent law to enact in order to force the budget impasse, but since it is not presently law, how could it possibly work that way? Your arguments aren't reasonable, they are more a long these lines: "We can't stand CA for a whole truckload of reasons, therefore the plastic bag legislation is wrong."