Rachel Corrie is getting Turkish warship escorts

[Large Sarge]

the last minute is really surreal

the Israeli just cannot believe Turkey is sending warships down


Well Worth the watch



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTFSTiHL-Ow&feature=player_embedded

[crazychicken]

This could be a auspicious day or so!

Sure hope it is only bluster and posturing----both sides.

And all remain OK.

CC

[crazychicken]

Sarge--What is your take?

CC

[Large Sarge]

Sarge--What is your take?

CC


the Israeli seems really shocked that Turkey would respond.

seems to me most real conflicts (not the engineered false flags) are based on misunderstandings, poor/bad judgement, etc

I do not think the Israeli was acting, he seem genuinely stupefied at the thought Turkey would send warships down

I guess it puts the Israeli leadership in a position that someone "called their bluff"

There is no "face saving" way out for Israel now, its kind of painted itself into a corner

what do you do when the turkish navy rolls down? Change your policy on gaza? or defend it?

if you change your policy, all the local Israelis will hate and condemn you.

if you defend it, you have a regional war.

I see no graceful way out for Israel

There was speculation that this was planned by Israel, well thought out, etc

that maybe true, but world opinion has really turned on Israel, and that was not planned for

I think it could get really bad, The Israelis are borderline delusional (from the interview)

they seem to have no idea the level of anger the world has towards them

[crazychicken]

Appreciate your insite and opinion.

Zealousness by Israeli!

Their chest-beating is backfiring.

Face-saving could be very costly for everyone of us.

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

Films at eleven.

CC

[Neuro]

The psychopaths bluff is called.

[crazychicken]

The psychopaths bluff is called.


Certainly appears so.

Their actions are really waking people up.

Present company included. Meaning ME.

CC

[the white rabbit]

New aid ship heads to Gaza, Israel vows to stop it http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel

[Awoke]

It's unfortunate that some people must see the zionists acting out the way they are, instead of learning about them based on their documented history.

...but Crazy Chicken, I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now.

I believe it is only a matter of time before the philo-semetic viel is lifted off the eyes of the rest of the world.

[SHTF2010]

this meeting between the Turkish and Israeli navies could be " a moment in history "

and if either country backs down, it won't be good for that country's politicians/military

the bad news is, we'll only have the zionist MSM and Turkish reports to go on

the good news is, more people and ships are being readied for more trips to Gaza

[SHTF2010]

New aid ship heads to Gaza, Israel vows to stop it http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel




An aid ship trying to break the blockade of Gaza could reach Israel's 20-mile (32-kilometer) exclusion zone by Friday afternoon


could make for an interesting weekend

[Liquid]

Their actions are really waking people up.

Present company included. Meaning ME.

CC


I am included too CC. The last few days have been a huge wake up call for me, and I appreciate all the insight from posters on this forum.

[crazychicken]

I have to give a large share of the credit to making me aware to Large Sarge.

No question.

The info he digs up and disperses---I really don't have the right or sufficient words to use.

CC

[General of Darkness]

I don't think Turkey will do anything. JMHO.

[Spectrism]

If this is true, that the Turks are sending a battleship, then it will be destroyed. The Turks will be hurt bad. The final days are coming up fast folks.

[gunDriller]

I think it could get really bad, The Israelis are borderline delusional (from the interview)


Borderline delusional ?

in many other countries, if the mainstream media people who support Israel spouted their racist propaganda, they would be taken off the air real fast.

they're not borderline delusional - they're dangerously delusional, and they have nukes and lots of other war-toys.

[sirgonzo420]

If this is true, that the Turks are sending a battleship, then it will be destroyed. The Turks will be hurt bad. The final days are coming up fast folks.


So we should just sit back and wait for Jesus?

Maybe some people in power are just using the bible as a script to manipulate the religious...

[cedarchopper]

Just to put this in perspective because I think the title on the thread is inaccurate, the Rachel Corrie is not being escorted by Turkish warships.

Whether there will be a future escort remains to be seen.

[Spectrism]

If this is true, that the Turks are sending a battleship, then it will be destroyed. The Turks will be hurt bad. The final days are coming up fast folks.


So we should just sit back and wait for Jesus?

Maybe some people in power are just using the bible as a script to manipulate the religious...


If you do not know the Messiah personally and have a living relationship with Him, it really won't matter what you do as the result will be the same.

The bible is the only reliable source of truth. In it, some of us can see what is coming and we know how to position ourselves. All the world governments will be against Israel in the end.... and they are against spiritual Israel too. There will be so much bad news that people will be dropping from heart failure in droves.

[TylerDurden]

New aid ship heads to Gaza, Israel vows to stop it http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_on_re_eu/eu_turkey_israel


"Israel has rejected demands for an international panel to probe Monday's deadly commando raid on the aid ships, saying it can conduct a professional, impartial investigation on its own."

:lol I wonder if people actually believe that BS.

[joe_momma]

Just to put this in perspective because I think the title on the thread is inaccurate, the Rachel Corrie is not being escorted by Turkish warships.

Whether there will be a future escort remains to be seen.


Thank you cedarchopper! This is nothing more than a hypothetical, self-pleasuring exercise. Turkey appears to be pulling a "Nasser" but the military should have enough sense to prevent anything like a 6 day war or even a JFK/Khrushchev dramatic (but staged) confrontation.

This is all about winding up the Arabs and Moslems, letting the Europeans getting to feel good about pissing on Jews, giving the Israeli's reasons to shake down the US for more money, and 0bama being made to look feckless.

[goldleaf]

WOW! If only we had news people that would ask questions like that guy did.

[Neuro]

WOW! If only we had news people that would ask questions like that guy did.
It is only because 'we' don't have any news people THEY have news people.

[Large Sarge]

starting at 4:45 or so

"if your allies the turks decide to send warships with the next flotilla, what will you do"?

then he says "Turkey is telling the world they are going to send warships"

Then "maybe you need to get on a phone and talk to turkey"

I am unsure if the Rachel Corrie is being escorted, but turkey has said "future flotillas could be provided naval protection"

given the encounter potential, I do not think Israel would back down

[joe_momma]

Umm - it would seem that the Israeli's were obeying international law

... here are the relevant passages from the Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality:

5.1.2 (3) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search, capture or diversion.

5.1.2 (4) Merchant ships flying the flag of a neutral State may be attacked if they (a) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy; (b) act as auxiliaries to the enemy’s armed forces; (c) are incorporated into or assist the enemy’s intelligence system; (d) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or (e) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy’s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.

5.2.1 As an exception to Principle 5.1.2. paragraph 1 and in accordance with Principle 1.3 (2nd sentence), belligerent warships have a right to visit and search vis-ÃÂ*-vis neutral commercial ships in order to ascertain the character and destination of their cargo. If a ship tries to evade this control or offers resistance, measures of coercion necessary to exercise this right are permissible. This includes the right to divert a ship where visit and search at the place where the ship is encountered are not practical.

5.2.10 Blockade, i.e. the interdiction of all or certain maritime traffic coming from or going to a port or coast of a belligerent, is a legitimate method of naval warfare. In order to be valid, the blockade must be declared, notified to belligerent and neutral States, effective and applied impartially to ships of all States. A blockade may not bar access to neutral ports or coasts. Neutral vessels believed on reasonable and probable grounds to be breaching a blockade may be stopped and captured. If they, after prior warning, clearly resist capture, they may be attacked.

http://jewishworldreview.com/0610/peretz060310.php3

[cedarchopper]

It is an illegal blockage under International Law. The humanitarian aid ships were cleared by Turkey as carrying no contraband...Israel is not afraid of any materials on those ships...it is part of the campaign to crush the Palestinians and drive them from the land.

[sirgonzo420]

It is an illegal blockage under International Law. The humanitarian aid ships were cleared by Turkey as carrying no contraband...Israel is not afraid of any materials on those ships...it is part of the campaign to crush the Palestinians and drive them from the land.


Yep. Just the jews enforcing the palestinians' "diet".

from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/apr/16/israel


Israel's policy was summed up by Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister, earlier this year. 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,' he said. The hunger pangs are supposed to encourage the Palestinians to force Hamas to change its attitude towards Israel or force Hamas out of government.

[undgrd]

From the link referenced in the article above
http://www.vilp.de/Enpdf/e025.pdf


5.2.4 Enemy destination
In cases of doubt concerning the enemy destination of goods or their use for enemy military purposes, the
burden of proof lies with the captor State. Fuel or other material which could be used for energy production
purposes destined for a belligerent constitutes contraband, unless a non-military destination is clearly
established.

( Posted to support 5.2.8 )
5.2.7 Public ships not subject to visit and search
A neutral warship or other governmental ship operated for non-commercial purposes is not subject to the
right of visit and search or the rights described in Principle 5.2.10.


5.2.8 Immunity of convoys
(This could be why Turkey has said they will send warships)
The same rule stated in Principle 5.2.7 applies to a convoy of merchant ships flying a neutral flag and
accompanied by one or more neutral warships. The commander of the convoy, or the neutral State whose
flag the convoying warships fly, has the responsibility to certify that no contraband is carried in the convoy.
The neutral flag State has to take all reasonable steps to ensure that the certificate is correct.


5.3 Relief
A blockade may not be used to prevent the passage of relief consignments which has to be free according
to the applicable rules of international humanitarian law, in particular those contained in Articles 23, 59 and
61 of the Fourth Geneva Convention or Articles 69 and 70 of Protocol I Additional to the Geneva
Conventions.


6.1 Right of Convoy
The right of neutrals to convoy is recognized. Consequently, neutral States have the right to accompany
commercial ships flying their own or another neutral State’s flag by their warships. The exercise of a right of
innocent passage, transit passage or archipelagic sealanes passage by such convoys does not constitute a
forbidden use of force.

[DMac]

Senior Officer: IDF Ready to Seize Two More Ships (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/187299)




Colonel Itzik Tourgeman told the Knesset Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee on Tuesday that two more ships are on their way to try and break the naval blockade of Gaza. The head of research in the operations division said, "The ships have not reached their target as of today because covert action was taken against them."

Regarding Monday's takeover of the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara, he said it was impossible to stop it because of its size and weight, which is why it was boarded.

[DMac]

The Turkish escort is not confirmed, it is still being mulled over by the Turks from what I've read.


IPSC Freedom Flotilla: Fintan Lane speaks of his harrowing experience (http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_60183.shtml)

snip


Meanwhile, the Irish ship the MV Rachel Corrie continues en route to Gaza and is currently 400 miles away and is expected to arrive on Saturday. Speaking from the aid carrying ship, Dennis Halliday said: “We want to emphasise that our aim is not provocation but getting our aid cargo into Gaza. We are calling on the UN to inspect the cargo and escort us into Gaza, and to send a UN representative to sail on board before they enter the exclusion zone. We all remain in good spirits, and we want to thank everyone all over the world for all their support.� The boat is traveling at approximately 210 miles a day, and is being captain by Eric Harcis, a Scottish man from Orkney.

[Neuro]

Yes none of those rules apply because the blockade is illegal. But of course a rogue nation who doesn't care about international agreed regulation isn't going to stop a little technicality like that stop them in their propaganda efforts.

[Plastic]

If you do not know the Messiah personally and have a living relationship with Him, it really won't matter what you do as the result will be the same.

The bible is the only reliable source of truth. In it, some of us can see what is coming and we know how to position ourselves. All the world governments will be against Israel in the end.... and they are against spiritual Israel too. There will be so much bad news that people will be dropping from heart failure in droves.





Heading for Petra are you? ;D

[Ponce]

It's unfortunate that some people must see the Zionists acting out the way they are, instead of learning about them based on their documented history.

...but Crazy Chicken, I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now.

I believe it is only a matter of time before the philo-semetic viel is lifted off the eyes of the rest of the world.


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LOL Awoke.............what the FK, are you defending the Zionist? what the hell do you mean by "instead of learning about them based on their documented history" if that the bases for your assertion in defending them then you better go back to the drawing board, you are looking at the wrong picture.

Also......at the start you call them Zionist and at the bottom you say "philo-semitic", make up your mind, you cannot mix eggs and pineapple together....your philo-semitic veil has been lifted and we found the ZIONISTS.

And when you use the words " I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now" you are using the words of a Zionist and not of a Goy.......I'll be keeping and eye on you from now on.

[Awoke]

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LOL Awoke.............what the FK, are you defending the Zionist? what the hell do you mean by "instead of learning about them based on their documented history" if that the bases for your assertion in defending them then you better go back to the drawing board, you are looking at the wrong picture.

Also......at the start you call them Zionist and at the bottom you say "philo-semitic", make up your mind, you cannot mix eggs and pineapple together....your philo-semitic veil has been lifted and we found the ZIONISTS.

And when you use the words " I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now" you are using the words of a Zionist and not of a Goy.......I'll be keeping and eye on you from now on.



Holy f*ck Ponce, I obviously didn't post my message in a concise enough manner.

Let me re-write it in simple english for you and anyone else that may have unfortunately misunderstood what I was trying to convey.

Now, to ensure everything remains in context, CrazyChicken said basically that he is starting to finally see that they jews are behind the conspiracy, based on their actions over the last week or so.
At least, that's what I got out of it.

My response:



It's unfortunate that some people must see the zionists acting out the way they are, instead of learning about them based on their documented history.

...but Crazy Chicken, I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now.

I believe it is only a matter of time before the philo-semetic viel is lifted off the eyes of the rest of the world



The street Translation:



It's unfortunate that some people must see the zionists acting out the way they are, instead of learning about them based on their documented history.

I meant:
Too bad CrazyChicken had to see the zionist bastards attacking a peaceful ship with his own eyes, instead of trusting in the history that I present on this forum on a regular basis, proving that jew is an enemy to mankind.



...but Crazy Chicken, I'm glad you're seeing things more clearly now.


I meant:
I'm glad that Crazy Chicken finally sees the jews for what they are, now that they have behaved this way in front of his own eyes, even though he could have learned it already in history.



I believe it is only a matter of time before the philo-semetic viel is lifted off the eyes of the rest of the world


I meant:
If Israel continues to pull public bullsh*t like this, it is only a matter of time before the jew-friendly brainwashed idiots out there all begin to see that the jew is the enemy of all other humans.

There.

Still question my f*cking position? I can't believe after all the posts I have made on GIM and GSus regarding the jew and their treacherous ways, that you would have the nerve to even question my integrity on the subject.

f*ckING HISTORY, PONCE. I POST IT ALL THE TIME.

*yes, I'm offended*

[Ponce]

I suggest that you either learn the new spelling of English words or learn how to talk like a Cuban,-------just in case "my apologies"......... but sill......................

[Brent]

Still question my f*cking position? I can't believe after all the posts I have made on GIM and GSus regarding the jew and their treacherous ways, that you would have the nerve to even question my integrity on the subject.

f*ckING HISTORY, PONCE. I POST IT ALL THE TIME.

*yes, I'm offended*


Don't worry I doubt any of the people here who actually understand the English language were confused. I know I wasn't. Your post was fine please don't revert to "street" language just for one member.

[Awoke]

Ponce, my friend, you and I both know the hebrew threat for what it is.

When I post, I like to post with even just a small measure of eloquence. I am not prepared to dumb-down my posting style to the point where I am saying "The joos are out to get us! we need to stop 'dem joos!!"

That is not me. And no offence, Ponce, but my grasp on the English language is just fine. I won't deny that I make spelling mistakes sometimes, but I try not to.

[Ponce]

Hahahahahah thank you.........but..........not even the "average" American understands the English language.

If I don't use a more "refine" English by using, what I call, fancy words is only because I am not sure of the spelling........but I will tell you this much, very seldom do I find a word of which I don't know the meaning.

[Brent]

Hahahahahah thank you.........but..........not even the "average" American understands the English language.


Very true but I would argue that the majority here are not the "average" of America. Call me an elitist or whatever but I hold this forum and those like it to a higher standard when it comes to such things.

[Awoke]

The bottom line is, you misunderstood my post and then followed up on that by asserting I was in bed with the zionists.

That pissed me off, but I'm over it now.

[Brent]

Hahahahahah thank you.........but..........not even the "average" American understands the English language.

If I don't use a more "refine" English by using, what I call, fancy words is only because I am not sure of the spelling........but I will tell you this much, very seldom do I find a word of which I don't know the meaning.


Please show me the fancy word in this quote from Awoke's post.


It's unfortunate that some people must see the Zionists acting out the way they are, instead of learning about them based on their documented history.

Is it "unfortunate"? How about "documented"? LOL. One thing I like about you Ponce, you are good for some laughs.

Just admit you don't understand English very well and that you were wrong. Or is that to much of a blow for your enormous ego to withstand?

Uh oh there I go again using "fancy" words. ;D

[SHTF2010]

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

- Sun Tzu


maybe we should have a Zionist History thread

[bellevuebully]

Awoke in bed with the zionists.........haha......fckcin near pissed myself at that one.

:o :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Quantum]

All the world governments will be against Israel in the end....


LOL

The same tribe that runs "Israel" runs ALL of the governments of "the West."

If "Israel" were to decide to join the team of Jesus Christ, I'd take back everything I've ever said about it. But that will never happen.

You Zionist "Christians" will continue to worship the "Jews" and "Israel" up until they are cast into the Lake of Fire, still insisting your false interpretation of the Bible is correct.

[Quantum]

Umm - it would seem that the Israeli's were obeying international law


:D ;D :D ;D

ROTFLMAO!!

"He cries out in pain as he strikes you."

Attack on non-belligerent in International Waters = PIRACY.

That's been the law of the sea since ancient times.

[Neuro]

Awoke in bed with the zionists.........haha......fckcin near pissed myself at that one.

:o :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

It does seem a tad far fetched doesn't it?

Have to say I appreciate Awoke's posts, he really is a good educator and researcher... I do appreciate Ponce's too, even though he makes a mistake or 2 occasionally, you really can't blame him for it, the shear volume would do it for him...

Both are great assets here!

[k-os]

Awoke, I appreciate your eloquence, and I understood you just fine. I was laughing reading the last dozen posts or so thinking . . . well, you don't want to know what I was thinking. But it was funny.

Don't worry Ponce, Awoke dislikes Zionists at least as much as you do.

[bellevuebully]

Don't worry Ponce, Awoke dislikes Zionists at least as much as you do.


I'd take that one step further to say that Awoke hates bagels more than Ponce hates zionists.

[Gypsybiker45]

If this is true, that the Turks are sending a battleship, then it will be destroyed. The Turks will be hurt bad. The final days are coming up fast folks.



Not to be a know it all, but neither Turkey nor Israel has any Battleships. A Battleship is a Capital ship usually 35,000+tons armed with 14-16 inch guns ,and The last ones used were the US Iowa class ships. What Turkey has is Frigates and Corvettes, light fast ships roughly 2000-4000 tons Turkey has 26 ships of this type All Modern design, Israel has 3, also Israel has missile ships that are must smaller and have 10 of these. They are pretty evenly matched with submarines, with Turkey having 10 but Israels 3 are more modern, ALL these subs are of German origin.lastly both sides have large numbers of fast PT type boats. The Israelis would have to deploy subs and their Fast Attack Craft to defeat Turkeys surface forces. They are entirely outmatched. The Turks also have a Naval Air arm and Marine Corps.

[sirgonzo420]

Don't worry Ponce, Awoke dislikes Zionists at least as much as you do.


I'd take that one step further to say that Awoke hates bagels more than Ponce hates zionists.




I'm ROFLing.

[Awoke]

Don't worry Ponce, Awoke dislikes Zionists at least as much as you do.


I'd take that one step further to say that Awoke hates bagels more than Ponce hates zionists.




I'm ROFLing.


Me too!!!



Not to be a know it all, but neither Turkey nor Israel has any Battleships. A Battleship is a Capital ship usually 35,000+tons armed with 14-16 inch guns ,and The last ones used were the US Iowa class ships. What Turkey has is Frigates and Corvettes, light fast ships roughly 2000-4000 tons Turkey has 26 ships of this type All Modern design, Israel has 3, also Israel has missile ships that are must smaller and have 10 of these. They are pretty evenly matched with submarines, with Turkey having 10 but Israels 3 are more modern, ALL these subs are of German origin.lastly both sides have large numbers of fast PT type boats. The Israelis would have to deploy subs and their Fast Attack Craft to defeat Turkeys surface forces. They are entirely outmatched. The Turks also have a Naval Air arm and Marine Corps.


Thanks for this post!