Vivos.

[StackerKen]

Have you heard about these?


http://www.terravivos.com/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc7SOzjmJJ8&feature=player_embedded

[steveoc]

Seriously, if the SHTF, then locking yourself away in a million dollar hole is not a good long term plan. If you dont have a long term plan, then you have no plan at all.

A long term plan involves :
- Land
- Renewable fresh water supplies
- Things that grow and yield food
- Animals that give food
- A means of generating power independently
- Shelter, sanitation, warmth
- Independent means of transport (horse and cart, bike, etc)
- Independent means of communication with friends and allies
- A store of value, be it PMs, TP, or cans of spaghetti
- Means and willingness to defend whats yours from all enemies (incl the remnants of the govt)
- A library of educational material
- A solid breeding stock of women to carry on the line and make something long term out of your 'survival'

For the price of a berth in one of these holes in the ground, you could easily set yourself up with all of the above. If you don't have all of the above ready to go .... then there is not much point 'surviving' a nuke attack, or any other sort of disaster. The welfare dept aint gonna be there for you afterwards to hold your hand and change your nappy.

It would be too little too late to try and aquire all of these things, and make them work AFTER the disaster has happened. IMHO.

I suppose once you had achieved all of that, then maybe .. if you really had $$ to spare .... you would be better off anyway building your own bunker on your own land, and just not telling everyone about it.

What price for privacy ?

[Sparky]

Wow. It's amazing that's out there. 20 of them, to accommodate 4,000 people. I find that impressive.

I disagree with steveoc. Obviously these are for people of substantial means. And if they're concerned enough to put the cash into this, they probably have other "individual" preps. And how can you say this is better than your own little bunker? It has hospital facilities! It has a community of like-minded thinkers to pass the time with.

It's a luxury item, but I don't see how you can diss it.

[steveoc]

Thanks for the feedback Sparky

Not really dissing it - its just that, as you pointed out, those who are investing in this are likely those of "substantial means". The attributes that allow them to have substantial means in the current environment are probably not attributes which would retain any value after a collapse.

Waiting until after the collapse to accumulate those new skills which are more suited to the new order of things would be too late.

Im just a big fan of the DIY approach to living, which admittedly causes me more problems at the end of the day than if I just allowed myself to rely on other people ;) But I wouldnt have it any other way.

I suppose the older I get, the more I appreciate songs like this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKxMzc6Rig4


EDIT: Fixed link. -Gaillo

[Twisted Titan]

Wow. It's amazing that's out there. 20 of them, to accommodate 4,000 people. I find that impressive.

I disagree with steveoc. Obviously these are for people of substantial means. And if they're concerned enough to put the cash into this, they probably have other "individual" preps. And how can you say this is better than your own little bunker? It has hospital facilities! It has a community of like-minded thinkers to pass the time with.

It's a luxury item, but I don't see how you can diss it.


What if the doctors nurses and techs elect to stay with family ( or get snuffed out?)

What good is it then???

Murphy always has a way of showing up ........in particular with people who think a wall of money is all that is required to ensure survival.


Just saying

[Shami-Amourae]

Play Fallout 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydJ8UWee2iU

[Sparky]

Don't get me wrong...I'm all for DIY and self reliance. But indulging in this luxury doesn't mean you can't still develop the self reliance skills as yet another backup. I could see setting up your own location, but also having this in your back pocket. It will probably withstand nuclear fallout better than any self-made shelter, so maybe you'd only resort to this if that was the threat.

One other thing: some people just aren't in the position to develop sufficient self reliance due to age or health/medical condition. This seems like a good option if you can afford it. Actually, I'm surprised it's only $50K. That's about a week's hospital stay.

My biggest concern would be that someone else would have to be in control. I'd want to know what the "rules" are. My guess it would work well until the supplies run low. Do you need permission to leave? Certainly wouldn't like that.

But I guess I found it interesting that someone was willing to execute something like this on such a large scale. You can't accuse participants of "not getting it".

[FunnyMoney]

My biggest concern would be that someone else would have to be in control. ....


I'm guessing, after the first few months that would be fema.

[StackerKen]

yeah with Vivo, It seems, You would be putting your life in someone else's hands

I dunno.

[Veni, vidi...evigilavi!]

So, say radiation and other crap is still out there after a year, you may need to stay in there 3+ yrs, you're going to have to save 50k x # of fam. members and years expected= could get pricey.
>>>>"yeah with Vivo, It seems, You would be putting your life in someone else's hands"-stackerKen
Yeah, and I'm sure guns not allowed... guess I have to start my squirrel burrow now b4 it's too late.

This guy thought of a good name, wish I would'a thought of it. As many of you are aware, vivos in italian or spanish= "alive" or "to remain alive"

[Sparky]

It looks like the preparedness horizon is one year:

Preparing each Vivos shelter for a group of 200 people, for one year of autonomous survival requires tremendous effort and planning. Vivos will outfit and supply each shelter with all of the supplies, furnishings, fixtures and equipment needed for long-term underground survival. Every consideration has been made for the overall comfort and survival of the community of Vivos member co-owners.

Each Vivos shelter will be stocked with an abundant supply of delicious freeze-dried foods for one year of autonomous survival. See menu.

Vivos will also store a large supply of materials and equipment for use both during any shelter habitation, and for what may be expected after returning to the surface. Every co-owner is provided a one year supply of food, beverages, water, clothing, bedding, toiletries, medicine, medical equipment, security devices, survival gear, a library of books, educational and entertainment materials, exercise & gym equipment, tools, spare parts, radios, computers, televisions, safes, refrigerated vaults, off-road vehicles, fuel, non-hybrid seeds, farming tools, hunting and fishing equipment, and much more. Members need only arrive. Everything is provided, ready and waiting.

You should read the site; it's fascinating. The people in each shelter will be assigned responsibility based on their skill set. Their is a repository for DNA samples, and they have a huge vault of seeds. Each has deep water wells. Fuel. Hunting equipment. I don't see how it doesn't cost a lot more than $50K.

[willie pete]

IF I were to go that route, I'd go for something like one of these http://www.missilebases.com/ like Sparky said, "Who's" in control of the vivos-world? with those you got neighbors too, what if they turn out to be smucks? I've been in an abandoned Titan Missile silo in AZ, it was cool

[Sparky]

FAQ for dozens of vivos topics, regarding how it is set up:

http://www.terravivos.com/secure/facts.htm