Question for those who condemn Israel

[StackerKen]

Maybe a dumb question...(that's because I am dumb when it comes to this stuff)

Do you guys that Condemn Israel support Hamas?

[BarneyFag]

Hi Shawn Hannity!

[Horn]

Not condemning so much as pitty.

We've learned what running a nation under a single religion's flag has/can turn into, haven't we?

[cedarchopper]

The Palestinian people elected them to leadership in what I understand to have been legitimate elections, so, you either believe in people's right to self determination or you don't.

[JTM3]

The Palestinian people elected them to leadership in what I understand to have been legitimate elections, so, you either believe in people's right to self determination or you don't.


This is how I feel, as well. No, I do not support Hamas. I do support the people of Gaza's right to self-governance.

[Ironfield]

Cedarchopper you hit the nail on the head. It’s a case of self determination that lends support to a legitimate government elected by the Palestinian people.

While I condone some of Hamas actions as deplorable, no government in this world, no matter how they wish to portray themselves is without fault. What the west and Israel seem to fail at realizing is that by forcing a populous into what can only be described as extremely adverse conditions. They will choose a system of leadership that will seek to right both the real and perceived ills conducted against them, hence they now have Hamas in a governing role.

-Ironfield

[StackerKen]

I was afraid I was gonna be sorry for starting this thread...

But Im not...(so far)

Thanks guys for helping me understand a little more.

[Defender]

The Palestinian people elected them to leadership in what I understand to have been legitimate elections, so, you either believe in people's right to self determination or you don't.
Just wondering how this works - if a people 'self-determine' that they are going to destroy you than they have that right and you're just going to give up and let them?

(This should be good for at least 5 smites from the neo-nazi's.)

[LuckyStrike]

I do support the people of Gaza's right to self-governance.


This is how I feel to. I don't know enough about them to give an opinion either way.

But I feel for the plight of the Palestinians.

[willie pete]

IF that's the gov't system they elected (Hamas) so be it.....same thing in Afghanistan, I think at least 50% of the population still favors the taliban, maybe more

[LuckyStrike]

IF that's the gov't system they elected (Hamas) so be it.....same thing in Afghanistan, I think at least 50% of the population still favors the taliban, maybe more


I think it's funny that the taliban is the anti communist party in Afghanistan, now we an "in the closet" marxist country declare war on them.

[Greenbear]

Not condemning so much as pitty.

We've learned what running a nation under a single religion's flag has/can turn into, haven't we?


Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.

[LuckyStrike]

Not condemning so much as pitty.

We've learned what running a nation under a single religion's flag has/can turn into, haven't we?


Apparently I missed that, why don't you fill me in.

Not that I intend to hijack this thread, PM me if you like.

[LuckyStrike]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.

[LuckyStrike]

Right on brother. State religion is a loaded gun.


Your right comrade we must break the chains of Christianity! To the GULAGs I say! Only then can we achieve a workers paradise. We must only look to China the bastion of freedom and human rights.

[wildcard]

You are a Christian? So you hate Buddhists? ::)

[Greenbear]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


God used the British empire to bring the KJB to the world. God used the wealth and power of the British and American empires to bring the gospel of Christ crucified, resurrected, and glorified, and of the grace of God to the gentiles through the Apostle Paul, to almost the entire world. The Reformation began in Germany and look what happened to Germany. See what the British empire has come to. Keep looking at what America is becoming. The fulness of the gentiles is either coming to a close, or it is moving Eastward. Either way, the prophetic clock will start ticking again very soon, and prophecy in the scriptures always has to do with true physical Israel. (Which is not aryans. sorry.)

DYK I am the old greenbear? ;)

[StackerKen]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


Me too.

except, I do care if its Greenbear...I hope its Greenbear....and it sounds like her......WB :)

[Greenbear]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


Me too.

except, I do care if its Greenbear...I hope its Greenbear....and it sounds like her......WB :)


What does "WB" stand for, Ken?

[StackerKen]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


Me too.

except, I do care if its Greenbear...I hope its Greenbear....and it sounds like her......WB :)


What does "WB" stand for, Ken?


Welcome Back! :)

[LuckyStrike]

You are a Christian? So you hate Buddhists? ::)


Huh?

[willie pete]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.




Warner Bros. ??? :D

IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


Me too.

except, I do care if its Greenbear...I hope its Greenbear....and it sounds like her......WB :)


What does "WB" stand for, Ken?

[philo beddoe]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


God used the British empire to bring the KJB to the world. God used the wealth and power of the British and American empires to bring the gospel of Christ crucified, resurrected, and glorified, and of the grace of God to the gentiles through the Apostle Paul, to almost the entire world. The Reformation began in Germany and look what happened to Germany. See what the British empire has come to. Keep looking at what America is becoming. The fulness of the gentiles is either coming to a close, or it is moving Eastward. Either way, the prophetic clock will start ticking again very soon, and prophecy in the scriptures always has to do with true physical Israel. (Which is not aryans. sorry.)

DYK I am the old greenbear? ;)
voodoo

[Greenbear]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


Me too.

except, I do care if its Greenbear...I hope its Greenbear....and it sounds like her......WB :)


What does "WB" stand for, Ken?


Welcome Back! :)


Oh, duh!!! I racked my brain over that. ;D

Thanks, Ken.

[StackerKen]

Be nice Philo

[FunnyMoney]

...people elected them to leadership... so, you either believe in people's right to self determination or you don't. - cedarchopper

Of course people have a right to suicide. They elect leaders who declare and go to war. Taxes and fiat money allow the leaders to sustain these wars and the wars provide them cover for their accumulation of more power and stolen wealth.


It's hard to have a one-sided war and if you follow the money I think you'll find it takes you to the same places.

[ximmy]

Ken, here's a little different look...

A few days after arriving in Israel I was visiting the Hama's controlled Bethlehem,,, I saw a Palestinian police man with a rifle at a vehicle checkpoint... another Palestinian man in a car ignored the policeman and sped through the checkpoint... I thought to myself... why didn't the policeman fire on the man in the car???... only a long time later did I understand they were both Palestinian brothers, not enemies... it takes force and respect to govern a community... they are working on trust issues within their own communities all the while trying to survive heavy handed Israeli oversight... it is very strange there... hard to explain from both sides.

One day while walking around Bethlehem my passport was stolen, I panicked and went back to the American consulate in Jerusalem... after a day or so, a friend introduced me to a Palestinian official in the West Bank... he made a couple of phone calls with me in the room and told me not to worry. A couple hours later the Palestinian authorities had my passport in Bethlehem, then they sent it over to the American consulate for me to pick up. The guy on the phone asked me why I didn't go to the Palestinian police in Bethlehem... I didn't tell him that I was afraid do do so (that I didn't think they could help me)... Over the weeks I discovered a very humanitarian people.

The Palestinians need to have a strong government, one with respect of the people, capable with the power to govern, with the ability to stand up to outside oppression...

I hope this helps understanding.
ximy

[Quantum]

Maybe a dumb question...(that's because I am dumb when it comes to this stuff)

Do you guys that Condemn Israel support Hamas?


I support the right of all freedom fighters to resist occupation by any means necessary.

No Israel = No Hamas.

Hamas exists because of Israel's brutality.

[wildcard]

You are a Christian? So you hate Buddhists? ::)


Huh?


Using the same stupid logic as the OP.

[Quantum]

The Palestinian people elected them to leadership in what I understand to have been legitimate elections, so, you either believe in people's right to self determination or you don't.
Just wondering how this works - if a people 'self-determine' that they are going to destroy you than they have that right and you're just going to give up and let them?

(This should be good for at least 5 smites from the neo-nazi's.)


If you support "Israel," then you, sir, are the "neo-Nazi."

The satanic "Jews" invaded Palestine, and have sought from day one to displace the Palestinians. If that isn't aiming to destroy a culture and a people that's been there for thousands of years, what is? The Palestinians are DEFENDING themselves; they didn't initiate the problem.

[StackerKen]

Thanks Ximmy :)

[StackerKen]

You are a Christian? So you hate Buddhists? ::)


Huh?


Using the same stupid logic as the OP.


Yeah well, I never claimed to be smart

[StackerKen]

Maybe a dumb question...(that's because I am dumb when it comes to this stuff)

Do you guys that Condemn Israel support Hamas?


I support the right of all freedom fighters to resist occupation by any means necessary.

No Israel = No Hamas.

Hamas exists because of Israel's brutality.


Fair enough.

I don't know enough yet to support or to condemn either side.

Although, I would never condemn defending ones self...

[Quantum]

Ken, here's a little different look...

A few days after arriving in Israel I was visiting the Hama's controlled Bethlehem,,, I saw a Palestinian police man with a rifle at a vehicle checkpoint... another Palestinian man in a car ignored the policeman and sped through the checkpoint... I thought to myself... why didn't the policeman fire on the man in the car???... only a long time later did I understand they were both Palestinian brothers, not enemies... it takes force and respect to govern a community... they are working on trust issues within their own communities all the while trying to survive heavy handed Israeli oversight... it is very strange there... hard to explain from both sides.

One day while walking around Bethlehem my passport was stolen, I panicked and went back to the American consulate in Jerusalem... after a day or so, a friend introduced me to a Palestinian official in the West Bank... he made a couple of phone calls with me in the room and told me not to worry. A couple hours later the Palestinian authorities had my passport in Bethlehem, then they sent it over to the American consulate for me to pick up. The guy on the phone asked me why I didn't go to the Palestinian police in Bethlehem... I didn't tell him that I was afraid do do so (that I didn't think they could help me)... Over the weeks I discovered a very humanitarian people.

The Palestinians need to have a strong government, one with respect of the people, capable with the power to govern, with the ability to stand up to outside oppression...

I hope this helps understanding.
ximy


Both Palestine and Iraq were lands where Americans could go freely before "Israel," and would be welcomed with utmost hospitality.

America stabbing both the Palestinians and the Iraqis in the back over a satanic interpretation of a fraudulent "chosen people" led to them hating this country - but despite it all, they still are warm towards Americans who display decency.

[Quantum]

Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


IDK if you are the old greenbear or not, but I sure agree with everyword you said.


I think this "Greenbear" is a troll. Wait, the original greenbear was a troll. So this one is a new troll. The original greenbear would never, ever have said the Jews "are done for."

[Quantum]

true physical Israel. (Which is not aryans. sorry.)


Then who are they?

[Horn]

Not condemning so much as pitty.

We've learned what running a nation under a single religion's flag has/can turn into, haven't we?


Yes. The British and then the American empires. They turned from God and they are done for. Nations have come and gone throughout world history. Yet, there is one Kingdom coming soon that will have no end.


What's most puzzling for man is respect to his lineage & "culture".

In the kingdom of his God these pieces are not evident, as there are none.

[StackerKen]

Everyone play nice...or I will lock this sucka down ;)

[Rockbrother]

Jerusalem is the spot where the God of Israel has chosen to place his name. This is the Spot from where The Lord Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 yrs.

In the Good book, it says that the entire world will be against Israel...

Pretty cool to see Scripture unfold in front of ones eyes.

Alll the peoples in Gaza and the West Bank, who believe in the idol Allah, should be deported.

The Koran speaks in very plain english what is expected from allah=Satan=Moon god.........


you don't see any other religion blowing themselves up.


I don't hate the Muslims, they make very good Christians :)

[Quantum]

Everyone play nice...or I will lock this sucka down ;)


Afraid of the Truth?

[Quantum]

the entire world will be against Israel...


Even Jesus Christ is against "Israel."




you don't see any other religion blowing themselves up.


You don't see any other religion other than Judaism stating Jesus Christ is in Hell being boiled in hot semen.

[iOWNme]

The STATE OF ISRAEL is a made up fiction by the War mongering elite. FACT.

The PEOPLE from Israel are human beings, and therefore have all the rights in the world. But when they choose to exercise those rights and VIOLATE ANOTHER MAN'S RIGHTS, all in the name of 'We are the chosen ones' is where i choose to not accept their lies and disinformation.

Religion, Language, and Boarders have been used to separate man from his one true being: Creator, Nature and Self.

The conclusion for me is the fact that Labels, Status, Materialism and Ego have divided us into packs of barely conscious souls, searching for the things we think will fill the void.

Religion is a perfect match for these controlling strings.

[StackerKen]

Everyone play nice...or I will lock this sucka down ;)


Afraid of the Truth?


What kind of question is that?

I'm not afraid of the truth...I love the Truth. Jesus Christ IS the Truth
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Ephesians 4:15
English Standard Version
Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,


;D

[StackerKen]

the entire world will be against Israel...


Even Jesus Christ is against "Israel."


Where do you get that?

Jesus said this

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

Its seem he is disappointed with Jerusalem.
But if he were against it, would he long to Gather them together?


eta;
Jesus was obviously Not Happy with the teachers of the law and Pharisees in that chapter though

[Greenbear]

Jerusalem is the spot where the God of Israel has chosen to place his name. This is the Spot from where The Lord Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 yrs.

In the Good book, it says that the entire world will be against Israel...

Pretty cool to see Scripture unfold in front of ones eyes.

Alll the peoples in Gaza and the West Bank, who believe in the idol Allah, should be deported.

The Koran speaks in very plain english what is expected from allah=Satan=Moon god.........


you don't see any other religion blowing themselves up.


I don't hate the Muslims, they make very good Christians :)




+K

[Quantum]

the entire world will be against Israel...


Even Jesus Christ is against "Israel."


Where do you get that?


"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also."

[StackerKen]

Yes Quantum Many Antichrists have come are also here today



However Quantam there is this

Romans 11
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."[g]
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. 32For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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Now, don't go calling me a Christian Zionist

I am not a Zionist.....

But I prefer to let God be the Judge of Israel....


Not my place to judge them or anyone for that matter :)

[Quantum]

However Quantam there is this

Romans 11
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


This should be read in the same context as "all the world should be taxed."

It is unreasonable to believe "all Judeans or Israelites in general" will convert to the Truth of Jesus Christ. Some will stay Hell-bent until they are sent where they want to go.




But I prefer to let God be the Judge of Israel....


Not my place to judge them or anyone for that matter :)


This is false dogma taught you by your preacher(s). We do not judge people's after-life destiny, and we must not judge hypocritically, but in order to be the Salt of the Earth, we must indeed judge evil. If someone does wrong, we say it is wrong.

[StackerKen]

However Quantam there is this

Romans 11
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:


This should be read in the same context as "all the world should be taxed."

It is unreasonable to believe "all Judeans or Israelites in general" will convert to the Truth of Jesus Christ. Some will stay Hell-bent until they are sent where they want to go.


No Doubt about that



But I prefer to let God be the Judge of Israel....


Not my place to judge them or anyone for that matter :)



This is false dogma taught you by your preacher(s). We do not judge people's after-life destiny, and we must not judge hypocritically, but in order to be the Salt of the Earth, we must indeed judge evil. If someone does wrong, we say it is wrong.[


I agree with your statement
We are to be discerning (right and wrong) and to be salt and light...yes..
But like you said, We do not judge people's after-life destiny, and we must not judge hypocritically

Not false dogma at all...

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

[Gypsybiker45]

perhaps F&R section now?Getting off topic guys

[StackerKen]

Who made you a Mod Gypsy? ;D

To me practically everything is about F&R :)

[Rubberchicken]

::)

[philo beddoe]

Who made you a Mod Gypsy? ;D

To me practically everything is about F&R :)
Religion to me is a topic like quantum physics or astrology or geology. I can take an interest in it and see if it has any value. As far as ruling my life that if I do anything wrong, god is sending me to hell? No thanks.
I see I got three smites for this :oo-->

[StackerKen]

Thats your choice to make philo

[I am me, I am free]

IF that's the gov't system they elected (Hamas) so be it.....same thing in Afghanistan, I think at least 50% of the population still favors the taliban, maybe more


I think it's funny that the taliban is the anti communist party in Afghanistan, now we an "in the closet" marxist country declare war on them.


Funny how that works, huh? Of course it only works on those with short memories and of course the young who didn't witness some historical events - in particular with respect to the extreme activities of one "shitty little country"* in the ME, and especially the attack on the USS Liberty.

[I am me, I am free]

God used the British empire to bring the KJB to the world. God used the wealth and power of the British and American empires to bring the gospel of Christ crucified, resurrected, and glorified, and of the grace of God to the gentiles through the Apostle Paul, to almost the entire world. The Reformation began in Germany and look what happened to Germany. See what the British empire has come to. Keep looking at what America is becoming. The fulness of the gentiles is either coming to a close, or it is moving Eastward. Either way, the prophetic clock will start ticking again very soon, and prophecy in the scriptures always has to do with true physical Israel.


Are you absolutely 100% certain about all that?

[illumin19]

Jerusalem is the spot where the God of Israel has chosen to place his name. This is the Spot from where The Lord Jesus Christ will reign for 1000 yrs.

God of Israel? what happened to everyone else? How will Jesus (peace be unto him) reign with present day "Israel" the way it presently is ???

In the Good book, it says that the entire world will be against Israel...
Pretty cool to see Scripture unfold in front of ones eyes.

Not the first time, they've been evicted twice before (from Jerusalem).

Alll the peoples in Gaza and the West Bank, who believe in the idol Allah, should be deported.

But not those who spit on Christians and spit on the Name of Jesus (peace be unto him) as a collective right?? (for the most part)

The Koran speaks in very plain english what is expected from allah=Satan=Moon god.........
Actually it's in Arabic.....but we can get an interpretation.
41:36,37
If a false imputation from the devil afflict thee, seek refuge in ALLAH. Surely he is all hearing/knowing.
Of his signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. ADORE NOT the sun or the MOON, but adore ALLAH who created them, if HE IT IS YOU SERVE.

I guess that puts that accusation to rest.

you don't see any other religion blowing themselves up.

Nice, viewpoint........I wouldn't see any other angle if I'm only watching FOX news too. I don't care to point at what "religions" do what......USURY, DROPPING BOMBS ON CIVILIANS, SYSTEMATICALLY STARVE,POISON, TORTURE a hue-man collective.

I don't hate the Muslims, they make very good Christians :)

Maybe not ::) but you sure as hell go out of your way to insult them every chance you get.




Go Lakers! ;D

[Gypsybiker45]

Who made you a Mod Gypsy? ;D

To me practically everything is about F&R :)


self appointed, lol

[LuckyStrike]

As far as ruling my life that if I do anything wrong, god is sending me to hell? No thanks.


As most everyone knows, religion is a powerful tool. Making people feel guilty for things so that they will throw shekels in the offering plate is how they make money, and further gain control over the followers. So don't confuse religion which is man made, for a way of life that is made by our creator.

The laws of the Scripture aren't in place to restrict us, they are for our benefit. Contrast these with man made laws which are almost universally created to restrict us.

That is not his plan.

I am not a huge fan of using slogans in my arguments but I saw a bumper sticker once that stuck with me.

Are you tired of religion? Why not try a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?

[philo beddoe]

As far as ruling my life that if I do anything wrong, god is sending me to hell? No thanks.


As most everyone knows, religion is a powerful tool. Making people feel guilty for things so that they will throw shekels in the offering plate is how they make money, and further gain control over the followers. So don't confuse religion which is man made, for a way of life that is made by our creator.

The laws of the Scripture aren't in place to restrict us, they are for our benefit. Contrast these with man made laws which are almost universally created to restrict us.

That is not his plan.

I am not a huge fan of using slogans in my arguments but I saw a bumper sticker once that stuck with me.

Are you tired of religion? Why not try a personal relationship with Jesus Christ?
IMO Christ started a philosophy, Paul made a religion out of it................

[LuckyStrike]

IMO Christ started a philosophy, Paul made a religion out of it................


Jesus didn't start anything, he came relatively late in the game.

So what portion of Jesus's life do you not believe? I ask this because for someone to come to earth perform miracles, be killed, and conquer death is a pretty strong case for you to follow their teachings.

[StackerKen]

IMO Christ started a philosophy, Paul made a religion out of it................


Jesus didn't start anything, he came relatively late in the game.

So what portion of Jesus's life do you not believe? I ask this because for someone to come to earth perform miracles, be killed, and conquer death is a pretty strong case for you to follow their teachings.


++K
Right on Nordic brother, Preach it! :)

[StackerKen]

IMO Christ started a philosophy, Paul made a religion out of it................


Philo;
Paul wrote this

Colossians 2

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.
He forgave us all our sins,
having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.


It seems to me Paul is saying Jesus came to do away with religion

[Quantum]

No Doubt about that


So you then agree that "all Israel shall be saved" cannot be literal?




But I prefer to let God be the Judge of Israel....


[quote=StackerKen ]
Not false dogma at all...

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.


None of this is inconsistent with what I said. Do not judge hypocritically. If you condemn someone, be prepared to be condemned on the same charge or accusation. But if I am not a rapist, then I can condemn a rapist.

[Quantum]

Who made you a Mod Gypsy? ;D

To me practically everything is about F&R :)


Exactly. A genuine Christian lives "faith & religion" in every breath and act. NO DEPORTATION TO THE GHETTO because an anti-religious bigot wants it so.

[philo beddoe]

IMO Christ started a philosophy, Paul made a religion out of it................


Jesus didn't start anything, he came relatively late in the game.

So what portion of Jesus's life do you not believe? I ask this because for someone to come to earth perform miracles, be killed, and conquer death is a pretty strong case for you to follow their teachings.
I'm just a Christian sympathizer. There are way way too many translations for anybody to say they have it right. If I was to go to any church, it would be Russian or Greek orthodox. Besides that, there are way to many churches for me to go to one and say, "this is it!". Christ said the head of the house is the man, and the head of the church is Christ. Therefore, by going to a church where the minister/priest says something different to my wife/family than I say, I would take the final authority. But there is hardly a church that believes that (that the husband has authority). I have enough trouble telling my wife that doctors are full of sh*t, much less arguing about what some minister says. The philosophy of Christ could be written on a three page college essay, it's that simple. So quoting endless scriptures back and forth is a never ending debate. Theories like dispensationalism to me are just an exercise in futility. Kith and kin has to come first.

[StackerKen]

Yes quantum I think we are in agreement

Im sure there are some that will not come to Christ

But maybe...they are not part of "True Israel" and Maybe the saying "all Israel shall be saved" just means the the All ones that God has Predestined to come to Christ.

I dunno I am just guessing ...I'm not a theologian

[philo beddoe]

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/
I don't necessarily believe what they say, but it is good to look at another perspective.

[FunnyMoney]

I'm not sure how off topic the thread gets. But the point of the thread (that is if anyone wants to answer the question who falls into the right category) is that it takes two to tango.

That and the logistics of war in today's modern world require a lot of resources/money. History shows that either one side wins or both are playing the game for longevity. CBs and central govts are in control over the money and everything else. War is a product of leaders. It serves their purpose.

[StackerKen]

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/
I don't necessarily believe what they say, but it is good to look at another perspective.


wow..Philo thanks for the link...I did a little reading there and plan to do lots more..
Thanks again.

[jaybone]

I condemn the initiation of violence,
which seems to be all that any government can do these days.
So no, I do not support hamas, or israel, or the corporation of the united states of america, or mexico or sweden.
I support people living in peace with one another, and all gov't does is foment violence, I support anarchy.