Pay close attention to this Wildcard post

[dysgenic]

There must be a God. And it must be the Christian God. I'm not what you'd call a religious man and certainly not a paragon of virtue. But the matrix is everywhere you look and the only hope of beating it back now is God.

As I've said before, I don't know why they continue to waste their time and money by shilling for their side... Nobody gives a damn. Between the poison they are feeding our bodies and minds and people's own cowardice and selfishness, they have nothing to worry about..., except God.

This is the same road I went down, the same road I'm hoping that many of you run into on your way home. Wildcard, you are almost there.

There is this elite cabal/illuminati/masons/ call them by whatever name you want. Can we all agree they are bad? They are selfish? The question is, why would the most selfish people on the planet agree to sacrifice for the good of others- even for the good of others that have yet to be born? How have they pulled off multi-generational plans that in some cases have been playing out over centuries? Why would the bad guys that don't care about anyone but themselves be willing to tediously plan and painstakingly carve out niches that often don't manifest themselves until long after the death of the ones charged with the planning and plotting and scheming?

The answer is that they answer to a higher power. Just like the governments of this world are the front for the real power behind the governments of this world (Masons), the Masons are the front for the real power behind the Masons (the God of this world- Satan). Come now, how did you really think that the world got so turned upside down ass backwards universe out of kilter?

Religions- the good and the bad- are just like everything else, they've been infiltrated. Forget about religion, because it's not the way home. Check out the 'alien' rabbit hole and when you get deep, pay attention to the way your body reacts. When you get a chill down your spine, remember this post. They can't hide the bodies defense mechanisms. Please don't ignore them.

How do I know the truth of this world? Because I've lived it.

dys

[striped_bear]

Go on.

What is the alien rabbit hole?

[Bullion_Bob]

Religion is a control structure setup by those in power seeking to control others.

Are there some side benefits to those who follow religion. Certainly there are, but ultimately it conditions the mind into blindly accepting a higher authority, and obeying this authority unconditionally.

Good followers are the ones that take on long and enduring hardships, and keep the faith despite what their instincts are telling them.

The churches used to be the govt. Control structure wet dream ideology of the time.

[striped_bear]

Hmm I think it's important that I point out that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are real, based on my subjective experiences.

I agree that most churches and organizations are not "real".

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water though. I see people do that all the time. In fact, I did it years ago, before I found Christ.

[cedarchopper]

Hmm I think it's important that I point out that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are real, based on my subjective experiences.

I agree that most churches and organizations are not "real".

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water though. I see people do that all the time. In fact, I did it years ago, before I found Christ.


gulp, found who? lol

[tekrunner]

Go on.

What is the alien rabbit hole?



Yup, what's the alien rabbit hole? I've got my ideas.

[dysgenic]

Go on.

What is the alien rabbit hole?


I started down it with Bill Cooper. He was a veteran and former intelligence agent. For years, he said that aliens existed and that government had been covering it up. He later recanted and said that he learned that it was all disinformation. He was eventually shot and killed by police (some would say murdered). I later got into Dulce, NM (the location of the alleged underground base), cattle mutilations, abductions, and to some degree crop circles.
At one point I started digging into a story that is out there about a supposed alien- a 'gray' that had been allegedly captured by the US government (I can't remember what they called the alien, it was a 3 letter acronym, though). As the story goes, the alien had a predilection to lieing about everything. According to the story, the alien had a video of Jesus Christ which it claimed was shot during the time of Christ. The alien claimed that the grays created Jesus Christ. When I heard that story, that was the first time I got that chill down my spine... I was not a Christian at that time.
I later ran into a purportedly secret document describing the different types of aliens and the underground bunkers at Dulce. It talked about all the crap you've probably heard about- insectoids, grays, reptiles, organ harvesting, etc. But it was the preface that freaked me out. It said that the report could make people physically sick to read. Again, the chill down my spine.

I eventually learned that aliens were closely tied to the occult. It seems like wherever you find one, the other pops up. There is more, but in the interest of space I'll cut this reply short.

dys

[Bullion_Bob]

Hmm I think it's important that I point out that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are real, based on my subjective experiences.

I agree that most churches and organizations are not "real".

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water though. I see people do that all the time. In fact, I did it years ago, before I found Christ.


Thing is though if you had been born in another country, or time, you could substitute any deities name down the list for the word Christ, and would feel no different about it.

The human mind is wired for this way of thinking.

[Quantum]

Religion is a control structure setup by those in power seeking to control others.

Are there some side benefits to those who follow religion. Certainly there are, but ultimately it conditions the mind into blindly accepting a higher authority, and obeying this authority unconditionally.

Good followers are the ones that take on long and enduring hardships, and keep the faith despite what their instincts are telling them.

The churches used to be the govt. Control structure wet dream ideology of the time.


True Christianity is not religion. It is a relationship with the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe.

Babylon-licensed churches are not the Church of Jesus Christ. The Church of Jesus Christ encompasses all Christians everywhere, and has nothing to do with buildings or congregations. "Church" for the true Christian occurs wherever two or more Christians gather in His name.

It is true that licensed churches are tools of the Devil to mislead and control. Avoid all licensed churches. If a church has a business license and/or a 501(c)3 tax exemption, it is an arm of the Mystery Babylon System.

[Horn]

Such high level concentrations of power are so foreign to me, I probably wouldn't recognize alien superiority if it where in the same room with me.

Hell they couldn't be any more obvious than current events are leading one to believe.

Are you saying that history isn't repeat with this obvious power struggle?

I would liken alien superiority as far outpacing anything we have, so as not to place the test bed in such jeopardy every other century.

This is why I say it is stupid human corruption leading to sickness which is a terminal evil. And yes "the sickness" could be hereditary, or genetic in human nature.

[General of Darkness]

Faith and hope are NOT luxuries we have these days. Without action the future will be lost.

[dysgenic]

You don't understand. As I've already mentioned- how do I know this?
Because I've lived it.

But that's kind of irrelevant and off topic. On topic- there is one more level above the level that most people on this board think is the top level. And you can't figure it all out until you get that. This is not about 'line in the sand', 'cold dead hand', 'the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants', et al.

Like I said, dig into the alien question and see what you find.

dys






Hmm I think it's important that I point out that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are real, based on my subjective experiences.

I agree that most churches and organizations are not "real".

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water though. I see people do that all the time. In fact, I did it years ago, before I found Christ.


Thing is though if you had been born in another country, or time, you could substitute any deities name down the list for the word Christ, and would have feel no different about it.

The human mind is wired for this way of thinking.

[dysgenic]

Without faith, there is no hope. With it, hope is unneccesary.

I know who you are, General of Darkness.

dys





Faith and hope are NOT luxuries we have these days. Without action the future will be lost.

[Quantum]

Faith and hope are NOT luxuries we have these days. Without action the future will be lost.


An earthly future is already lost. We are now in survival mode. We shall occupy until He comes, and nothing more. Fantasies of "taking America back" went down the shitter decades ago.

I have faith & hope that God will honor His promises. He always has in the past.

I have faith & hope that God will see my family & I through the increasing flames of this world...even if we die, that we will be able to endure what comes before.

[Quantum]

Like I said, dig into the alien question and see what you find.


http://www.alienencounters.com/

[General of Darkness]

Without faith, there is no hope. With it, hope is unneccesary.

I know who you are, General of Darkness.

dys





Faith and hope are NOT luxuries we have these days. Without action the future will be lost.



Who am I?

[cedarchopper]

My religious experience was with peyote, years ago. It was a high vibrational experience that spoke to me...for days. I think that is what religions are founded on...then all the followers try to understand what can only be understood by personal experience.

[TPTB]

I think people have a tendency to find what they're looking for. To see the pattern that they're familiar with.

I'm not saying that what they see(accept) is wrong or false, just that it first has to be interpreted through their preconceptions.

[striped_bear]

I rejected the idea of Jesus very strongly for a long time.

Then I encountered the demonic. Then I was saved from the demonic by Christ.

Yes God is the same everywhere.

The one thing that is the same, in all religious experience no matter where you look in the world, the one constant, is the human nervous system.

It is all experienced through the human nervous system.

Our nervous systems are the bridge between the higher realms and the physical world. The window of consciousness.

I can't prove to you that Jesus is a real being. But personally I know (not believe) He is real. I've met him.

[StackerKen]

Striped: What did Jesus say to you when you met him?

ETA; That is a serious question...I am genuinely curious. Not being sarcastic

[ximmy]

My testimony is:
I once was found, but now I'm lost.

[Ponce]

Religion is the excuse and not the reason for many bad things........like war.

And when ever they do something good they expect you to give them some money in order to continue with the job.......only thing is that the preacher is driving a new Mercedes and me a twenty years old car.

[Greenbear]

Our nervous systems are the bridge between the higher realms and the physical world. The window of consciousness.

I can't prove to you that Jesus is a real being. But personally I know (not believe) He is real. I've met him.

Our nervous systems are just a part of the machine.

There are two bridges between the ghost in the machine, our spirits, and the spiritual realm.

The first bridge is crossed when we break the protective hedge that God has provided between us and entities too terrible for us to comprehend. These entities encourage the breaking down of hedges, and they lie about who they really are and deceive us about their intentions towards us in order to gain our trust. They are only interested in our destruction.

The second bridge between our spirits and the spiritual realm is the Spirit of God and the Holy Bible which he authored. If you believe that Christ died for your sins, and was resurrected for your justification, then you can be born again of the Spirit. Jesus said,

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:7-8

[Horn]

My religious experience was with peyote, years ago. It was a high vibrational experience that spoke to me...for days. I think that is what religions are founded on...then all the followers try to understand what can only be understood by personal experience.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzziVtLKuCk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJOePP5EyBM

[Bullion_Bob]

Quite frankly the human mind can believe, and does believe, absolutely anything it wants to believe.

The proof is all around everywhere you look. There really is no limitation to it.

[striped_bear]

Our nervous systems are the bridge between the higher realms and the physical world. The window of consciousness.

I can't prove to you that Jesus is a real being. But personally I know (not believe) He is real. I've met him.

Our nervous systems are just a part of the machine.

There are two bridges between the ghost in the machine, our spirits, and the spiritual realm.

The first bridge is crossed when we break the protective hedge that God has provided between us and entities too terrible for us to comprehend. These entities encourage the breaking down of hedges, and they lie about who they really are and deceive us about their intentions towards us in order to gain our trust. They are only interested in our destruction.

The second bridge between our spirits and the spiritual realm is the Spirit of God and the Holy Bible which he authored. If you believe that Christ died for your sins, and was resurrected for your justification, then you can be born again of the Spirit. Jesus said,

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:7-8


Ya I know. I used to do battle with those dark spirits in the spirit world every night. Astral projection etc.

I begged Jesus to make it stop, and I was transported to a cathedral (in the astral). That's where I met Jesus. He didn't say anything... I just felt safe. Then I was back in bed.

And I never was bothered by entities again.

But I'm sure none of you will believe this.

Why would you? I wouldn't believe someone who said this to me either, until I experienced it.

edit: It's worth mentioning that the Holy Spirit is experienced in/through our nervous system (at least here in the physical realm).

[Book]

When you get a chill down your spine, remember this post. They can't hide the bodies defense mechanisms. Please don't ignore them.



:oo-->

[striped_bear]

Our nervous systems are the bridge between the higher realms and the physical world. The window of consciousness.

I can't prove to you that Jesus is a real being. But personally I know (not believe) He is real. I've met him.

Our nervous systems are just a part of the machine.

There are two bridges between the ghost in the machine, our spirits, and the spiritual realm.

The first bridge is crossed when we break the protective hedge that God has provided between us and entities too terrible for us to comprehend. These entities encourage the breaking down of hedges, and they lie about who they really are and deceive us about their intentions towards us in order to gain our trust. They are only interested in our destruction.

The second bridge between our spirits and the spiritual realm is the Spirit of God and the Holy Bible which he authored. If you believe that Christ died for your sins, and was resurrected for your justification, then you can be born again of the Spirit. Jesus said,

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. John 3:7-8


I want to mention something else.

Astral projection, essentially a shifting between the veil (you called it barrier), is not always at the hands of a dark spirit (though this is certainly possible, in my experience).

In my case, I did not seek astral projection or any occult practice. I just started spontaneously having OBEs (out of body experiences) when waking from sleep (I would get sleep paralysis, and eventually I figured out I could leave my body).

It is something that can happen as God purifies your nervous system, or while you purify it yourself through spiritual practices (prayer, meditation, yoga).

I have had many OBEs that were very beautiful, into very high realms of Light.

I don't seek out astral projection anymore, but I do sometimes still have an OBE every once in a while at random. And there are no dark spirits there at all... Jesus made them go away. Since Christ lives in my heart now, He's always there with me.

It's just something I have always experienced. I even used to have OBEs when I was a very young child.

However, I do not encourage others to experiment with astral projection, for I feel it can indeed be dangerous.

If people are interested in that stuff, I steer them towards lucid dreaming, which is quite safe and enjoyable.

[striped_bear]

I used to be haunted by dark demons/entities every night. I would wake up in the middle of the night, and I would have an out of body experience, and I would come face to face with a terrible entity. Some were big and some were small. Some of them were constantly shifting their shape and form. From texts I have read, not all these entities I encountered were likely demonic in nature, as there are other inhabitants of the astral such as nature spirits, whom apparently delight in tormenting astral newbies. But it's just semantics.

Here is a painting of Saint Anthony the Great. This was me every night for a long time:


http://www.fictionwise.com/knight/schongauer.anthony.jpg

I tried many things to make it stop. Nothing really seemed to work. Once I came out of body though, and there was this woman in a long green dress, and I think she was corralling some of the entities and making them leave. I'm not sure why she was there, or who she was. She approached me as if to speak, but I was so damn scared at the time that I commanded her to leave. I'd been up all night trying not to go to sleep because each time I did this massive dark entity would grab me by the throat and pin me up against the wall of my bedroom.

But nothing really worked until I asked Jesus Christ to make it stop. Then I had the experience above of being transported to the cathedral, and never came face to face with one of those entities again.

But like I said I sometimes still have OBEs and they are always good and safe.

Here is another image of Saint Anthony the Great. This is an extremely accurate depiction of an astral dark entity:


http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/anthony_great.gif

[Horn]

Were you raised in a Catholic family, striped_bear?

I was, and as I remember my first instruction on God was handed down by my elder sister of 10yrs. telling me that God punishes whilst she smacked me on the head... ;D

[Horn]

Glad to see you found a worked around those demons, Otherwise who knows what we may have been in store for earlier today. :comp

Goodnight, Godbless.

[striped_bear]

Nite Horn. :)

[Neuro]

Everything else we just create to make ourselves feel better about the inevitability of death. Every second of time we have on this earth is more precious than all the precious metals in the world combined.

I doubt that you actually believe that in practise.

[I am me, I am free]

Go on.

What is the alien rabbit hole?


I started down it with Bill Cooper. He was a veteran and former intelligence agent. For years, he said that aliens existed and that government had been covering it up. He later recanted and said that he learned that it was all disinformation. He was eventually shot and killed by police (some would say murdered). I later got into Dulce, NM (the location of the alleged underground base), cattle mutilations, abductions, and to some degree crop circles.
At one point I started digging into a story that is out there about a supposed alien- a 'gray' that had been allegedly captured by the US government (I can't remember what they called the alien, it was a 3 letter acronym, though). As the story goes, the alien had a predilection to lieing about everything. According to the story, the alien had a video of Jesus Christ which it claimed was shot during the time of Christ. The alien claimed that the grays created Jesus Christ. When I heard that story, that was the first time I got that chill down my spine... I was not a Christian at that time.
I later ran into a purportedly secret document describing the different types of aliens and the underground bunkers at Dulce. It talked about all the crap you've probably heard about- insectoids, grays, reptiles, organ harvesting, etc. But it was the preface that freaked me out. It said that the report could make people physically sick to read. Again, the chill down my spine.

I eventually learned that aliens were closely tied to the occult. It seems like wherever you find one, the other pops up. There is more, but in the interest of space I'll cut this reply short.

dys


That would be EBE - Extraterrestrial Biological Entity, although IMO there's nothing extraterrestrial about them.

[undgrd]

dysgenic

Are you talking about the One or the concept of Oneness?

[Celtic Rogue]

I don't really believe in a "God" or a "Satan" or an afterlife. I see myself as a carbon based life form that has been genetically selected to propagate the genes which have been imparted by my ancestors. Those in power have been in power because they have passed their lessons and inheritances down to the following generations.

Everything else we just create to make ourselves feel better about the inevitability of death. Every second of time we have on this earth is more precious than all the precious metals in the world combined.


Exactly!!! Religion based on control and is just another way TPTB keep us in line and control what and how we think to their advantage!

[G2Rad]

.

[jaybone]

dysgenic

Are you talking about the One or the concept of Oneness?


My model is that we are all parts of a single organism, not just humans, but rocks, plants, hydrogen molecules on Jupiter, 14-billion year old photons from distant galaxies, satan, god, all matter, all consciousness, all energy is part of one singular organism.

Much like a red blood cell is alive, it does what it does, does it know it is part of something called "blood" that flows through something called a "human"? Who knows, it just does what it does, picks up O2 and drops off CO2, and what it knows or does not know is ultimately irrelevant.

All there is exists in the imagination of the Creator, not a man, or a consciousness, but something that the human mind cannot really even conceive, it just IS. This entity, the ALL, creates space time and all the science, organisms, deities, flaws, desires, fears, societies, cataclysms, emotions, in an attempt to explore itself through EXPERIENCE.

You and I are part of that exploration, our experience is thoughtfully limited by the laws of our universe, and the limitations of our own minds. The purpose is to observe and learn from the difficulties and opportunities presented, thereby aiding the Creator in it's exploration of itself.

It is a model, not a belief. A model that enhances my experience, in the end whether the blood cell knows it or not, it is a valuable part of the organism.

[Awoke]

My answer to anyone who deosn't believe in Jesus Christ is simple, and in the form of a question:

If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?

Jesus Christ has more enemies on this planet than anyone/anything else.

I'm glad he is my Lord. Glad to see your OP, Wildcard.

[StackerKen]

Excellent point Awoke

and Jesus said it would be like that

The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

[Silver Shield]

There must be a God. And it must be the Christian God. I'm not what you'd call a religious man and certainly not a paragon of virtue. But the matrix is everywhere you look and the only hope of beating it back now is God.

As I've said before, I don't know why they continue to waste their time and money by shilling for their side... Nobody gives a damn. Between the poison they are feeding our bodies and minds and people's own cowardice and selfishness, they have nothing to worry about..., except God.



I believe that their control will collapse not of the concerted effort of people like us but the natural cycle empire and or God putting them down...

[LuckyStrike]

My answer to anyone who deosn't believe in Jesus Christ is simple, and in the form of a question:

If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?

Jesus Christ has more enemies on this planet than anyone/anything else.

I'm glad he is my Lord. Glad to see your OP, Wildcard.


+1

Plus, what would be the meaning of life? Why even fight TPTB? If you are only here to work in the rat race, and then turn to dust when your dead why even live? If you are nothing but a random series of molecules that miraculously formed due to evolution, nothing separates you from any other mammal except the ability to realize the pointlessness of your existence. Which of course is why it is imperative that they have you believe in evolution so that you don't care about human life, so that you see no value in it, so you don't have a leg to stand on against infanticide, pointless wars etc. because after all you are just a random series of molecules.

Yahweh's laws are not to restrict us but to guide as to living on this earth in peace with others. One of my favorite books in Scripture is Ecclesiastes and I encourage everyone to read it. I am young, and I see my friends pursuing the things of the world in search of happiness and a purpose. They think (unknowingly) that by doing a bunch of girls, raising hell, getting drunk and partying all the time brings them happiness. For others it's I will be happy when I get that big promotion, get this, or get that but when those things come they are so empty. People spend their lives pursuing worldly things and I promise you there is no satisfaction there. I am very thankful I learned this lesson very early. I bring up Ecclesiastes because here is a man who had it all, more women, money, possessions, servants you name it than you or I could ever have and it didn't bring him happiness. (I will let you read the book and see if it rings true, you can also see what did bring this man happiness)

Recently I have seen devastating effects of nihilism first hand. Two people that I know (not very closely) committed suicide. It pains me to see these men who were so depressed by a lifetime of unfulfilled wants that they saw no value even in their own lives. Searched for fulfillment and never found it.

Everyone will reach a point in their lives when they realize that nothing here on earth satisfies, they can be the staunchest agnostic but the time will come and I promise you the only thing that quenches your thirst, and fulfills your life is to fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

[JohnQPublic]

Faith and hope are NOT luxuries we have these days. Without action the future will be lost.


Quote from a Catholic Saint (not sure which one):

KNOW that God can do anything.
ACT like He will do nothing.

[Ash_Williams]

I used to have sleep paralysis a fair bit. And before that, I'd have that "thing"... some would describe it as a demon or a presence or whatever. I had that a long time, most of my childhood. This horrible hot, uncomfortable, pure fear thing, sometimes pressing on me at night.

I think it was near the end of high school I got rid of it. You get change as you get older and although the feeling of that thing was pure hell I felt it coming on one night and I just said, bring it on, do your worst, and it subsided. A few nights of that and it was gone for good. I don't know what it was, you take a spiritual or biological interpretation. Coulda been something firing off in the fear part of my brain ('cause it really just was fear without any form or reason). Either way, the brain/spirit could handle it when the will was there.

The paralysis bothered me for years then I just got to accepting it. You fight it and it's a minute of being very uncomfortable, but once you accept it you can either go back to sleep, or try to do the OBE thing. I never got much out of the OBE thing 'cause I could go walk around but I had no access to information that I didn't already know so I suspected it was all in my head.

[Josey]

This is the first time I have read this place since it’s un-humble beginnings.
And from this thread alone, theres a chance you guys could be carried away and medicated.
This is what happens when opinions go unchecked and unchallenged.

Oh thanks J6P for screwing with my sig. line
Class act as always, I fixed it tho no biggy.

[StreetsOfGold]

I concur with you that we are living in the Matrix World, ruled by Mr. Satan.

There is a war for souls.

Religions are fake red pills. Modern translation are fake paths.

The door out into the freedom and life, the true red pill is the Bible.

It is simple. Book penned by forty un-educated hillbillies separated in time by hundreds of years. Book with hundreds of prophecies written before time all fulfilled, with not a single contradiction, must be from God. Many a time so-called authors of the Bible had no idea what they were writing, just like Jews had no idea why they did sacrifices, just like apostles had no idea what was going on.

The Book is the Word of Almighty God Jesus Christ, Designer of man and Creator of this entire Universe.

There is Judgment and there is Hell and there is eternal life.

95 percent of population are deceived and know not what is going on. Elite is trying to defeat the Almighty by exploiting the fact that He is bound by His word and to break into Satan's theories. It seems easy, but they failed number of times before.

It was stunning to discover that many ( like Perceival and many others at old GIM ) were aware of so much , yet like Balaam consciously choose the another side.

While respecting the other side, I honestly believe that they are wrong and we must surrender to God.



Amen.


2Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world (satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

[JohnQPublic]

dysgenic

Are you talking about the One or the concept of Oneness?


My model is that we are all parts of a single organism, not just humans, but rocks, plants, hydrogen molecules on Jupiter, 14-billion year old photons from distant galaxies, satan, god, all matter, all consciousness, all energy is part of one singular organism.

Much like a red blood cell is alive, it does what it does, does it know it is part of something called "blood" that flows through something called a "human"? Who knows, it just does what it does, picks up O2 and drops off CO2, and what it knows or does not know is ultimately irrelevant.

All there is exists in the imagination of the Creator, not a man, or a consciousness, but something that the human mind cannot really even conceive, it just IS. This entity, the ALL, creates space time and all the science, organisms, deities, flaws, desires, fears, societies, cataclysms, emotions, in an attempt to explore itself through EXPERIENCE.

You and I are part of that exploration, our experience is thoughtfully limited by the laws of our universe, and the limitations of our own minds. The purpose is to observe and learn from the difficulties and opportunities presented, thereby aiding the Creator in it's exploration of itself.

It is a model, not a belief. A model that enhances my experience, in the end whether the blood cell knows it or not, it is a valuable part of the organism.




Are you Hindu?

[wildcard]

Book is back. ;D

[jaybone]

Are you Hindu?


I am Nothing

<fixed quote tag for you>

[wildcard]

My answer to anyone who deosn't believe in Jesus Christ is simple, and in the form of a question:

If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?

Jesus Christ has more enemies on this planet than anyone/anything else.

I'm glad he is my Lord. Glad to see your OP, Wildcard.


Yeah, that has been the question I've been asking too. That and feeling the influence of the Holy Spirit.

[TPTB]

I am Nothing

Hey, I'm nothing too... woohoo! What up? ;D

[SLV^GLD]

If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?
If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all? The ending is already spelled out. If you knew the future and in the future the Jets were going to beat the Bills in the Superbowl would you bet on the Bills anyway? Didn't think so.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just pointing out that your one directional questioning doesn't provide such a concrete conclusion as you'd like to think.

[Mouse]

God knows how the story ends, but free-will dictates the winners and losers. That is why it's all worth bothering about.

[MAGNES]

People should pay close attention to WildCard's sig.

Listen to the podcast. Fabian Society, London School of Economics,
NWO, Baruch the silver swindler controlling Roosevelt "the great".
Baruch the NWO controller.

[Quantum]

If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all?


Because your commitment to good or evil is tested.

[dysgenic]

You think I'm going to willingly let the bad guys run over the good guys until the 2nd coming? What if it doesn't come for another 200 years? Go back and reread Grads posts in this thread. Dude gets it.
'Fake red pills' per Grad= religion. But I'll expand on that thought and tell you they are ALL fake red pills. I've fallen victim to some of them myself- self actualization, the 'universe' will provide, higher self, psychotropic drugs, the urantia book, 'vibrations' (wtf does that even mean, anyway?), esp, higher power (WHICH higher power?), the greater good, buddhism, taoism, I could go on but I won't.

THEY ARE ALL TRASH! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND EVERY OTHER GIMMICK OUT THERE.

dys





If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?
If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all? The ending is already spelled out. If you knew the future and in the future the Jets were going to beat the Bills in the Superbowl would you bet on the Bills anyway? Didn't think so.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just pointing out that your one directional questioning doesn't provide such a concrete conclusion as you'd like to think.

[k-os]

Jaybone, your explanation of God is very interesting, and I get the feeling we could spend many hours discussing it, without it ending in a flame war.

I feel like we all have a fraction of God (good) within us. I also feel like we all have a fraction of the opposite in us (evil). It is not the same percentage for everyone, although it may start out that way. Some feed the good and it grows, some feed the evil and it grows. It's all about which part that you feed. I may not believe strictly in a religion, but I know which of my available actions (or reactions) are good, and what actions are evil. Whenever it is within my capacity to do so, I feed the good part of me, and act accordingly. I seldom regret it. Even if I do regret it briefly, I am convinced later on that doing the right thing, even if it had unfavorable results at the time, did have favorable results long term.

It saddens me that there can be good people who argue with other good people because of what version of the good book that they read. In my view, if you let down your barriers, you will see another person for who they are, and not care which book they hold.

[wildcard]

You think I'm going to willingly let the bad guys run over the good guys until the 2nd coming? What if it doesn't come for another 200 years? Go back and reread Grads posts in this thread. Dude gets it.
'Fake red pills' per Grad= religion. But I'll expand on that thought and tell you they are ALL fake red pills. I've fallen victim to some of them myself- self actualization, the 'universe' will provide, higher self, psychotropic drugs, the urantia book, 'vibrations' (wtf does that even mean, anyway?), esp, higher power (WHICH higher power?), the greater good, buddhism, taoism, I could go on but I won't.

THEY ARE ALL TRASH! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND EVERY OTHER GIMMICK OUT THERE.

dys





If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?
If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all? The ending is already spelled out. If you knew the future and in the future the Jets were going to beat the Bills in the Superbowl would you bet on the Bills anyway? Didn't think so.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just pointing out that your one directional questioning doesn't provide such a concrete conclusion as you'd like to think.



Then I suppose you are ridiculing me in the OP?

*I've tried the "let's grab the pitchforks and go do something" route. I was called a shill and a violent radical. So now I say let's kick back and watch the big guy work.

[Awoke]

WildCard, I would suggest that you start praying for the Lord to reveal himself to you in accordance with his will.

When I returned to Christ, I was struggling spiritually, and asked him to show me that he was hearing my prayers. (I know "Thou shall not test the Lord thy God" but I also considered "Ask and you shall recieve".)

Jesus Christ, to this day, has answered every single prayer that I have ever made, provided my prayer was not selfish, and my heart was genuine. I can say that and mean it. God has never left me hanging when I open my heart and pray with pure intentions.

You and I will talk about this later if you want, and I can give you some more personal details.

[wildcard]

Oh, I'm getting the messages he's sending. Without a doubt. :)

[Awoke]

Good news, Brother.

[wildcard]

Didn't say I was fully doing what I was told. Just said I heard it. :P

[Celtic Rogue]

Sorry... but I believe


RELIGION=MENTAL ILLNESS

hearing voices and a believe in things that have no real tangable proof? Believe what you wish... I don't need a daddy/god in the clouds to over look my life. Nor a god that asks people to kill their son as a sacrifice... nor a god that was a mass murderer by flooding the planet for his whims. I don't believe any of it... smite away... LOL like that has any real effect on life.

[wildcard]

I'm not selling anything. Believe what you want. I'm just relating the things that have been happening to me. Not voices in my head, just impulses. Impulses that are foreign to my character. Things that other people are saying too. People that I've had no contact with or any agreement with in the past.

*I don't like organized religion either. I'd tell people to grab the New Testament and read it and understand it. I could care less for the old testament. It's a dead contract.

[jaybone]

Jaybone, your explanation of God is very interesting, and I get the feeling we could spend many hours discussing it, without it ending in a flame war.

I feel like we all have a fraction of God (good) within us. I also feel like we all have a fraction of the opposite in us (evil). It is not the same percentage for everyone, although it may start out that way. Some feed the good and it grows, some feed the evil and it grows. It's all about which part that you feed. I may not believe strictly in a religion, but I know which of my available actions (or reactions) are good, and what actions are evil. Whenever it is within my capacity to do so, I feed the good part of me, and act accordingly. I seldom regret it. Even if I do regret it briefly, I am convinced later on that doing the right thing, even if it had unfavorable results at the time, did have favorable results long term.

It saddens me that there can be good people who argue with other good people because of what version of the good book that they read. In my view, if you let down your barriers, you will see another person for who they are, and not care which book they hold.


Continuing with the red blood cell line of thought, would a RBC consider it's human to be "God" if it were aware of him/her?
From my point of view, it may, but it would be in error; the RBC is as much a part of the whole as any other part, it IS "God".
But I do not even like the word God, it indicates separation, think the archetype of the white-bearded guy in the sky watching over his flock.
Do you watch over your cells? you may give them what they need, like food and water. You may present them with challenges, like injuries, or a hangover, or stress, but do you manage and police them? certainly not.

The Hermetics say 'as above, so below' which suggests to me the fractal nature of reality.
Does the RBC lord over it's protons? Or the milky way over it's stars? The laws of space-time take care of that with elegant precision, to me THAT is the hand of the creator.

Good and evil are subjective, and are a continuum, ie. is there a point where good stops and evil starts? (another concept covered by hermetics) They are opposing ends of the same stick. I like to think of it as players playing their parts, RBCs picking up O2 and dropping off CO2, electrons spinning around protons, universes colliding and merging. Things just do what they do.

In the past I have acted in a way that while not evil, was certainly not good, and was hurtful. At the time I did not really know why, it was just an outburst, that hurt somebody that I love. In the end that outburst led my loved one to make substantial changes in her life for the better. I was just playing my part.

[uranian]

i'd agree that religions generally have been infiltrated. that's not to say that there aren't some practising those religions that don't realise that; i imagine jesus would be spinning in his grave at modern-day christianity, similarly for the rest.

as to the whole demon/angel idea, i think these transdimensional beings are what we generally refer to as aliens. my best understanding of what's going on is that there are basically 2 paths in this universe, best understood as service to self and service to others. both are expressions of the same infinite consciousness that created everything, and each living being is a wave on that great ocean. i suspect the service to others path is the quicker way home, at least, as i think it's more in the spirit of that infinite intelligence.

the demonic ETs/grays/reptillians/whatever i think are at the top of the NWO. they've been here publicly before, but realised they can achieve the same aims without needing to go public (as knowing you're a slave inclines one to rebel) via mind control tech (throw away your TV). there's some evidence that a deal was signed between the nazis during WW2 and a malevolent ET race (greys?), and that much of their high tech came from there. equally that there's a breakaway earth human civ now that developed out of that, that perhaps isn't even based on earth any more, and appear definitely not to be in the service to others camp. i would agree that the occult is related here, as it's just a way to access different states of consciousness.

i don't think humans are naturally so messed up. look how many soldiers commit suicide, it's not our natural way to be so dark, but we've been trained into that for countless generations. how many people do you know that recycle? what possible benefit is there to the individual in doing that?

final thing i'd add as relevant is that the whole 2012 thing is about a change in consciousness. i think we've had periods of high consciousness on this planet in the distant past (atlantis, for example), but over the past millenia, we have sunk very low...but that we have a change point coming, as enough people are coming from love rather than fear now. i think that change will be chaotic, as it will neccessarily mean the collapse of all existing institutions (as they're run by the unfriendlies), but i imagine that period of collapse will co-incide with the friendly ETs stepping up publically and offering their assistance. indeed i suspect we're related to many of them.

does that make me the most out there poster in the thread? :-* gotten used to being the black sheep in the weirdest crowds ;D

[Awoke]

Didn't say I was fully doing what I was told. Just said I heard it. :P


None of us are truely "Doing what we're told".

You should take into consideration that if you are coming to a realization that Christ is real, by default that means we're accountable for our actions, ommissions and decisions.
Not that I'm trying to sound all "scary" or anything.

I'm just saying that if Christ is knocking at the door to your heart, I would be cautious with leaving that door closed. Just something to mull over.

I personally always pray for discernment. Praying for discernment is key.

[DMac]

I don't try to sell God. I will say this though; the most important prep, step 1 to not losing control as TSHTF, is to get right with God. By any means possible.

[MNeagle]

People should pay close attention to WildCard's sig.




Magnes' reply was in my dream this morning. First time I've dreamt of GS-US stuff!

[dysgenic]

I wasn't ridiculing you in the OP. Not even a little bit. I think you hit the nail on the head with what you said.

dys





You think I'm going to willingly let the bad guys run over the good guys until the 2nd coming? What if it doesn't come for another 200 years? Go back and reread Grads posts in this thread. Dude gets it.
'Fake red pills' per Grad= religion. But I'll expand on that thought and tell you they are ALL fake red pills. I've fallen victim to some of them myself- self actualization, the 'universe' will provide, higher self, psychotropic drugs, the urantia book, 'vibrations' (wtf does that even mean, anyway?), esp, higher power (WHICH higher power?), the greater good, buddhism, taoism, I could go on but I won't.

THEY ARE ALL TRASH! EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, AND EVERY OTHER GIMMICK OUT THERE.

dys





If Christ isn't real, why would all the secret powers of the globe be fighting against him with such absolute cohesion?
If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all? The ending is already spelled out. If you knew the future and in the future the Jets were going to beat the Bills in the Superbowl would you bet on the Bills anyway? Didn't think so.

I'm not arguing one way or the other, just pointing out that your one directional questioning doesn't provide such a concrete conclusion as you'd like to think.



Then I suppose you are ridiculing me in the OP?

*I've tried the "let's grab the pitchforks and go do something" route. I was called a shill and a violent radical. So now I say let's kick back and watch the big guy work.

[Quantum]

Sorry... but I believe


RELIGION=MENTAL ILLNESS


ATHEISM = MENTAL ILLNESS

Namely, narcissism.




hearing voices and a believe in things that have no real tangable proof?


Do you believe in the "Big Bang" or "evolution"?




Believe what you wish... I don't need a daddy/god in the clouds to over look my life. Nor a god that asks people to kill their son as a sacrifice... nor a god that was a mass murderer by flooding the planet for his whims. I don't believe any of it... smite away... LOL like that has any real effect on life.


You'll find out after you croak. Bleat on with your autotheism.

[G2Rad]

.

[Horn]

Do you believe in the "Big Bang" or "evolution"?

Between my mama & my papa? Then yes.

What exactly do you hope to infer with that line of questioning?

[Brent]

Do you believe in the "Big Bang" or "evolution"?

Between my mama & my papa? Then yes.

What exactly do you hope to infer with that line of questioning?


He is using a common Christian tactic that tries to say belief in scientific theory is the same as belief in God.

Of course its absurd but what do you expect from these types?

[wildcard]

I could care less for the old testament. It's a dead contract.


???

but how then can you prove to yourself that what you reading is truth? ???

The Old Testament is profecy, the New Testament is its fulfilment.

There is none but God alone who can know the future. By this we can know that the Book is from Him.

Isa 46
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure



Everything you need is in the New Testament.

[Horn]

Everything you need is in the New Testament.


Thread killer... :)

[wildcard]

I could care less for the old testament. It's a dead contract.


???

but how then can you prove to yourself that what you reading is truth? ???

The Old Testament is profecy, the New Testament is its fulfilment.

There is none but God alone who can know the future. By this we can know that the Book is from Him.

Isa 46
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure



Everything you need is in the New Testament.


Ok, but God kind of asks you to "remember the former things of old"


So you're still making animal sacrifices?

[G2Rad]

So you're still making animal sacrifices?


The animal sacrifices of old is prophecy of Jesus who had became our sacrifice.

After the profecy was fulfield, what is the point of killing goats nowadays?

It would be stupid. Because everybody can make "profecies" about past events, but God alone knows the future.

Killing goats today would prove nothing.

Killing goats before is a proof that God is God.

[SLV^GLD]

Animal sacrifice was the path to redemption.
Instead of endless repeated sacrifices, the ultimate sacrifice was made.
It is important to understand the concept of the sacrificial lamb and in order to do so you must understand how people were achieving redemption and communicating with God prior to Him.

[Book]

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/jesus-freak.jpg

Yeah...this thread doesn't belong in the Religion and Philosophy section either JQP. It should remain here parked in the General Discussion section...lol.

:D

[G2Rad]

.

[Gypsybiker45]

Im with Wildcard on this one (Believe that?!) Im letting the Big Man handle this, my puny efforts are meaningless. As far as "Mentally ill", One does have to believe in something, right?
If one believes in nothing but the here and now, Why would one even care what happens to the future? You wont be around anyway.

[SLV^GLD]

If Christ is real and all that stuff in the Bible is true then why bother putting up a fight at all?


Interesting question.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Did Jesus put out a good fight? Yes He did. He won.

What spoils did He get out of His victory?

Riches? Power? Fame? Love of Women?

What is it of this World that became His reward?

He fought without killing.

He won by submitting to the mob.

I guess there are different kinds of fight. ??? :conf:
That's nice. Unfortunately not one bit of what you wrote explains why someone, say the Z-folk, who knows they are going to lose, would bother fighting. Good job explaining the tactics of the known winning side.

[LuckyStrike]

I could care less for the old testament. It's a dead contract.


That's certainly what the "judeo" christians want you to believe no doubt about it. For someone who is well aware of the jew, I'd think twice before dancing to that tune.


I'm planning on emailing you within the next few days (when I get some time) if that is alright with you.

[G2Rad]

.

[Greenbear]

I could care less for the old testament. It's a dead contract.


???

but how then can you prove to yourself that what you reading is truth? ???

The Old Testament is profecy, the New Testament is its fulfilment.

There is none but God alone who can know the future. By this we can know that the Book is from Him.

Isa 46
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure



Everything you need is in the New Testament.


Ok, but God kind of asks you to "remember the former things of old"


So you're still making animal sacrifices?


No Wildcard, we're not still making animal sacrifices. Did you know that the NT has 695 quotes from the OT? And there are many more references to OT passages and authors in the NT. New Testament scripture tells us in a number of places that the Old Testament scripture has value for us today. Here is one:


1 Corinthians 10:1-12 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all

passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink

the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not

well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil

things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up

to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt

Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were

destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the

ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

[striped_bear]

Jesus quotes the OT several times in the New Testament. For example:

Matthew 19:17-19 (KVJ)
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jesus also says that the laws of the OT are to be obeyed:

Matthew 5:17-19 (KJV)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

[Awoke]

Jesus Christ on the cross was the ultimate and final sacrifice to the Father.

This is why we no longer have to abide by the Old Testament sacrificial requirements.

Christ is the new covenant. The sacrifice to end all sacrifices.

[DMac]

Don't you folks see something wrong with the belief that animal (or human!!) sacrifices are supposed to appease God?

I sure do.

[DMac]

So you're still making animal sacrifices?


The animal sacrifices of old is prophecy of Jesus who had became our sacrifice.

After the profecy was fulfield, what is the point of killing goats nowadays?

It would be stupid. Because everybody can make "profecies" about past events, but God alone knows the future.

Killing goats today would prove nothing.

Killing goats before is a proof that God is God.


Killing goats before is a proof that God is God.

I find a lot wrong with that belief G2Rad.

[Awoke]

The sacrifice that Christ made, offering himself up on the cross, was not so much to "appease" God, but to pay for our sins.

[DMac]

Blood sacrifice is not something I associate with God. Regardless of what book claims it as dogma.

[G2Rad]

.

[DMac]

I find a lot wrong with that belief G2Rad.


do you prefer the alternative, namely rapists, murderers, serial killers, kidnappers, pedophiles and theafs go unpunished?


For the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23

It is not death, Sir that appeases God but justice and righteousness.


How did you go from killing goats to rapists and thieves?

[dysgenic]

The reason that the bad guys bother to go through with it all is that they have been deceived. Who said this-
"you shall surely not die."
???

dys

[SLV^GLD]

The reason that the bad guys bother to go through with it all is that they have been deceived. Who said this-
"you shall surely not die."
???

dys
That is the correct answer to my question.

[uranian]

The sacrifice that Christ made, offering himself up on the cross, was not so much to "appease" God, but to pay for our sins.

this idea that a person is born sinful is the most distasteful part of christianity that i know.


Original sin, sometimes called ancestral sin, is, according to a doctrine proposed in Christian theology, humanity's state of sin resulting from the Fall of Man. This condition has been characterized in many ways, ranging from something as insignificant as a slight deficiency, or a tendency toward sin yet without collective guilt, referred to as a "sin nature," to something as drastic as total depravity or automatic guilt by all humans through collective guilt.

the idea that each new human life has something inherently wrong with it, is the essence of what is wrong with religion to my mind. i'm not even going to touch on how crazy the animal sacrifice thing is!

[Quantum]

this idea that a person is born sinful is the most distasteful part of christianity that i know.


People are not born "sinful." They are born with human nature, which, at maturity, causes them to prefer to violate God's laws.

Babies go to Heaven with or without baptism.




the idea that each new human life has something inherently wrong with it, is the essence of what is wrong with religion to my mind. i'm not even going to touch on how crazy the animal sacrifice thing is!


Do you dispute that humans tend to depravity?

Nearly every culture practiced animal (and often human) sacrifice in the past. While the Old Testament had Abraham almost sacrificing his son, the Celts and the Germanics widely practiced it. Yet the same people who condemn the Bible often have no objection to Druidism or Asatru - if not openly practice it!

Christ went to the Cross by His own will. Like a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his comrades.

[Horn]

Christ went to the Cross by His own will. Like a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his comrades.


Why all the forgiveness then?

[Awoke]

Christ went to the Cross by His own will. Like a soldier jumping on a grenade to save his comrades.


Why all the forgiveness then?


Huh?