Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests

[Brent]

:sicko

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/index.html

(CNN) -- A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian households were psychologically well-adjusted and had fewer behavioral problems than their peers.

The study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, followed 78 lesbian couples who conceived through sperm donations and assessed their children's well-being through a series of questionnaires and interviews.

Funding for the research came from several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups, such as the Gill Foundation and the Lesbian Health Fund from the Gay Lesbian Medical Association.

Dr. Nanette Gartrell, the author of the study, wrote that the "funding sources played no role in the design or conduct of the study."

"My personal investment is in doing reputable research," said Gartrell. "This is a straightforward statistical analysis. It will stand and it has withstood very rigorous peer review by the people who make the decision whether or not to publish it."

Gay parenting remains a controversial issue, with debates about topics including the children's psychological adjustment, their parents' sexual orientation and adoption restrictions.

Wendy Wright, president of the Concerned Women for America, a group that supports biblical values, questioned the legitimacy of the findings from a study funded by gay advocacy groups.

"That proves the prejudice and bias of the study," she said. "This study was clearly designed to come out with one outcome -- to attempt to sway people that children are not detrimentally affected in a homosexual household."

Gartrell started the study in 1986. She recruited subjects through announcements in bookstores, lesbian events and newspapers throughout metro Boston, Massachusetts; San Francisco, California, and Washington.

The mothers were interviewed during pregnancy or the insemination process, and additionally when the children were 2, 5, 10 and 17 years old. Those children are now 18 to 23 years old.

They were interviewed four times as they matured and also completed an online questionnaire at age 17, focusing on their psychological adjustment, peer and family relationships and academic progress.

To assess their well-being, Gartrell used the Child Behavior Checklist, a commonly used standard to measure children's behavioral and social problems, such as anxiety, depression, aggressive behavior and social competence.

The answers were coded into a computer and then analyzed. This data was compared with data from children of nonlesbian families.

Because of course we all know the best way to conduct a unbiased study is to just ask the "parents" questions and then take their answers as gospel (not like they would have any reason to fudge answers, right?) ::)

If you don't hate the MSM yet you are either a liberal or a patriotard (or just not paying any attention).

[General of Darkness]

LOL, that's a pretty independent study when the funding comes from lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups. :ROFL:

[Awoke]

Do you see what I'm saying, K-os?
This is a perfect example of compartmentalization.

[kregener]

Wow.

Nearly HALF of all lesbians experience lesbian domestic violence.

Burke, Leslie K., & Follingstad, Diane R. (1999). Violence in lesbian and gay relationships: theory, prevalence, and correlational factors. Clinical Psychology Review, 19 (5), 487-512.

Soooooo.....which is it?

[Neuro]

Yes ask the lesbian mothers, in a study designed to prove lesbian motherhood skills, how their children are behaving. This is beyond ridiculous!

[Grand Master Melon]

The study seems ridiculous but I know a few lesbian couples with children who I believe do have normal, "well adjusted" kids. Of course I know a couple of lesbians with kids who may be ok but I sure feel bad for the kids as both "moms" are probably some of the ugliest women I've ever seen.

[ximmy]

Clam bumping carpet munchers are anti-humanist... they can't have children... if we were all gay the human race would end.

[big country]

Come on Ximmy. They don't need a MAN. They get it at the sperm bank, no man involved!

Just like those evil butcher shops, stop killing animals when you can just get your meat at the grocery store!


::)

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In other news, the children might not have behavioral problems, but the "parents" sure do.

[mamboni]

This sounds like a wonderful solution to the troubled "old-fashioned" nuclear family:

The girls' role models will be women who go down on eachother.

The boys' role model will be 'men' as protrayed on the TeeVee.

What could possibly go wrong? :oo-->

[Neuro]

This sounds like a wonderful solution to the troubled "old-fashioned" nuclear family:

The girls' role models will be women who go down on eachother.

The boys' role model will be 'men' as protrayed on the TeeVee.

What could possibly go wrong? :oo-->
They could still be 'psychologically well adjusted' to this new world. The girls become lesbians and the boys become sperm bank donors...

[Greenbear]

The sad thing is they probably are more well-adjusted to today's societal norms. :'(

[Ash_Williams]

Kids' behavior seems to have a lot more to do with diet and probably genes than anything else. If the lesbians feed the kids better I could see the results being accurate. If not, then no. Parenting doesn't count as much as people would like it too... take twins separated at birth and raised in different families and they still turn out the same. Feed the kids frigging candy bars all day and they're going to be hyper then tired and feel like crap all the time and you're gonna see it in their behavior.



Nearly HALF of all lesbians experience lesbian domestic violence.

Burke, Leslie K., & Follingstad, Diane R. (1999). Violence in lesbian and gay relationships: theory, prevalence, and correlational factors. Clinical Psychology Review, 19 (5), 487-512.

The study is a load of crap. It's fake research known as a review, where someone doesn't feel like doing any work so they look at the results for a bunch of other studies and write an opinion piece. They picked the 1 single study out of the 19 they reviewed that found the higher level (48%) of abuse for lesbian couples. That study found such a high level by defining abuse very broadly (you push someone a bit and it's abuse.) Another study they reviewed showed 7% for lesbian couples.

The great trick of statistics is the old "19 times out of 20". If you do a study analyze the sample size and end it with a statement like "this study is considered accurate 19 times out of 20." That's because, statistically, if you run the study about 20 times, 1 of those times you're expected to get some totally wacky numbers just by chance. So what do you do if you want a study that proves something to fit your agenda? Well, you do it 20 times, or 30, or 40. You do it until randomness works in your favor and you get to show 1 clean study that proves exactly what you said (despite dozens that show the opposite.)

It's really like going to the casino every day, then on the one day you happen to win something instead of lose you say "On thursday I went to the casino with $100 and left with $500 therefore going to the casino results in a 500% gain in money".

They do exactly this with phone polls. That's why if you answer, you may find that you never hear the results of the poll on the news. They didn't like the results so they don't publish them, or they are doing the poll again and again until they get the "right" results. One day by chance they will just happen to call a group of people that actually answer the questions the way they want them to and they'll publish that study.

[Quantum]

Homosexuality was, is, and always shall be a mental and spiritual disorder.

[Awoke]

This sounds like a wonderful solution to the troubled "old-fashioned" nuclear family:

The girls' role models will be women who go down on each other.

The boys' role model will be 'men' who go down on each other.

What could possibly go wrong? :oo-->


Fixed it for you.

[k-os]

Do you see what I'm saying, K-os?
This is a perfect example of compartmentalization.
I didn't read this thread until now. You're so vain, you think I am following you around. ;)

OK, so I am trying to grasp what you are saying in this particular example. I am thinking very slow leaking type of indoctrination. A study that is such bullsh!t it shouldn't be called a "study", promoting a way of life that is unorthodox, and against the laws of nature in terms of reproduction (yet is promoting reproduction into these lifestyles), a way of life that serves to destabilize the traditional family. On top of that, it's an inflammatory topic with the end result being readers leaning toward accepting this lifestyle (win), or readers being angered by this lifestyle (win also). The "study" is funded by an organization whose goal is to promote acceptance of unorthodox lifestyles, and is published as fact, unquestioningly by another organization, completely complicit in the ruse.

The compartmentalization is so that when the time comes for a story like this, all of the pieces come together, and voila, the story makes it into our homes.

How am I doing?

For the record, I don't give a rat's ass what someone else does in their bedroom or with whom they do it, provided they are all consenting adults.

[chad]

i view compartmentalization like this.

there's a bee. he tools around helping nature. he's useful + good, indeed nothing would live without him.

but then somebody decides they don't want him around anymore. so they start a campaign against bees. nobody would just hate bees for being bees, because after all, bees are good. so, it must be broken down in to things that directly aren't about the bee.

a group is formed of people who are allergic to honey to campaign against honey.

a group is formed to campaign against bug allergies + insect stings.

a group is formed to campaign in favor of synthetic flowers being placed in public gardens, not real ones.

a group is formed to advocate the putting up of cell towers + antennas everywhere.

and on + on.

pretty soon, bee populations are reduced, and the be is on his way out. nobody campaigned against bees per say, only the things that make him and his lifestyle possible.

this is what's going on in america. nobody is actively campaigning again judeo christianity based society + government, because that would never fly out in the open. they just form committees to attack other things that eventually destroy it.

[Neuro]

Chad, What is judeo Christianity?

[chad]

here's the wikipedia entry on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian

i just use the term as a catch all for "normal, rational society, as the founding fathers intended it." it's probably sloppy of me, but people have a general idea of what you're talking about if you use that term.

i don't really care about the religious part of it, i just like the rational society that seems to come from it historically (well, if you leave out witch burning , the inquisitions, and those parts of it).

well, maybe i need to find a better term after all...

[k-os]

Thanks for your explanation of compartmentalization, chad. I think we are saying the same things, although your explanation was far more coherent than mine. I was determined to figure out what Awoke was asking, without looking up the word compartmentalization.

My thought was that the individual small groups were created to help each other (knowingly or not) with a goal of bringing down a threat, in this case traditional family. I was not thinking that the attack was on Christianity, but rather an attack on traditional family, which is a stable network, and obviously valuable.

[Ash_Williams]

The study is just part of the propaganda battle.

The anti-gays come up with BS studies to "show" lesbians have a high rate of domestic violence. The lesbians come up with a meaningless study to show they're better parents.

There are probably hundreds more studies on either side to show how terrible and how great homosexuals are. People easily see through the BS when it comes to studies they don't agree with, but become willingly blind to the crappiness of research when they agree with the conclusion.

Fighting propaganda with more propaganda... it's like monkeys throwing shit at each other...

Once you tear their idiotic studies to shreds they resort to wordplay and define negative traits and behaviors as hetero or homosexual so they can say their own orientation is better than the other one.

[Neuro]

i just use the term as a catch all for "normal, rational society, as the founding fathers intended it." it's probably sloppy of me, but people have a general idea of what you're talking about if you use that term.

i don't really care about the religious part of it, i just like the rational society that seems to come from it historically (well, if you leave out witch burning , the inquisitions, and those parts of it).

well, maybe i need to find a better term after all...
if you like a rational society, it would probably be best to leave out the least rational segments of that society of the discussion. IMO western rationality stems from the ancient Greek philosophers and mathematicians. Which has survived to some extent despite the actions of the church.

[Book]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/02/they_do.jpg


Re: Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests

Two women can't produce a kid. The very premise that two women are the "parents" of a kid is illogical by definition.

The father of this kid is not even mentioned. He exists.

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[Brent]

Once you tear their idiotic studies to shreds they resort to wordplay and define negative traits and behaviors as hetero or homosexual so they can say their own orientation is better than the other one.




Are you seriously trying to argue that neither hetero or homosexuality is "better"?

Which one allows for the continuation of the species? Which one is promoted Ad nauseam by the mainstream media?

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[Ash_Williams]

I'm arguing the studies on either side of the subject are bull.

Heterosexuality is better for me. Homosexuality is better for homosexuals.

Who cares what the studies say, even if accurate? I'm not going to suddenly be attracted to man-ass because I read that gay people have a lower chance of diabetes or something silly like that. A lesbian isn't going to go pick the hotdog over the bagel because she reads that lesbians have more heart problems.

[Grand Master Melon]

I'm arguing the studies on either side of the subject are bull.

Heterosexuality is better for me. Homosexuality is better for homosexuals.

Who cares what the studies say, even if accurate? I'm not going to suddenly be attracted to man-ass because I read that gay people have a lower chance of diabetes or something silly like that. A lesbian isn't going to go pick the hotdog over the bagel because she reads that lesbians have more heart problems.
See the problem with your logic is that you're saying these people live life as they feel they should be living it while others here seem to think they know how gays should be living their lives.

[Neuro]

Hotdogs and bagels seems like a good combo...

[Book]

The study seems ridiculous but I know a few lesbian couples with children who I believe do have normal, "well adjusted" kids. Of course I know a couple of lesbians with kids who may be ok but I sure feel bad for the kids as both "moms" are probably some of the ugliest women I've ever seen.


http://gordonkeith.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/incorrectartificial.jpg

Two women can't produce a child. One woman is a naive tool while the birth mother obviously has penis aversion. The net result is that the child grows up realizing that his unknown father masturbated at some futility clinic for college money. The naive woman who pretends to be the "other parent" is a Darwinian failure and dies childless. How could any child grow up normal and "well-adjusted" realizing these sorry facts about his sad existence?

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[Grand Master Melon]

Two women can't produce a child. One woman is a naive tool while the birth mother obviously has penis aversion. The net result is that the child grows up realizing that his unknown father masturbated at some futility clinic for college money. The naive woman who pretends to be the "other parent" is a Darwinian failure and dies childless. How could any child grow up "normal" realizing these sorry facts about his sad existence?

:oo-->


Some people are able to overcome obstacles and learn things despite their being in an adverse environment. Not everything unorthodox in life is so traumatic it alters your life. His existence isn't sad he has to live life and move on, I'm sure most children wouldn't have a problem with that.


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[Book]

His existence isn't sad he has to live life and move on, I'm sure most children wouldn't have a problem with that.



http://www.adventure-south.com/father-son-redfish-lrg.jpg

Yeah...having two homosexual mommies and no dad would be just swell pal...lol.

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[Grand Master Melon]

His existence isn't sad he has to live life and move on, I'm sure most children wouldn't have a problem with that.





Yeah...having two homosexual mommies and no dad would be just swell pal...lol.

:oo-->


How do you know, you ever have two homo mommies?

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[Horn]

I haven't read thru the entire thread, but I have an inkling somebody is shooting blanks in here.

[ximmy]

I haven't read thru the entire thread, but I have an inkling somebody is shooting blanks in here.


I don't know about that... but... I was once daddy's little squirt

[Horn]

I haven't read thru the entire thread, but I have an inkling somebody is shooting blanks in here.

I don't know about that... but... I was once daddy's little squirt


Thinking we're all better off as accidents, as bad as it is, I can't imagine planning with my X-wife going any better. :lol

[Book]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/22/travel/20jour600.1.jpg

[Grand Master Melon]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/22/travel/20jour600.1.jpg


Is that supposed to be an unhappy child?

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[ximmy]

Just curious... if I wanted to become a lesbian do I have to get a tattoo?

[kregener]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/22/travel/20jour600.1.jpg

I peg the one in black as the....man....in that circus.

[Grand Master Melon]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/07/22/travel/20jour600.1.jpg

I peg the one in black as the....man....in that circus.
That's a tough call.

[k-os]

Just curious... if I wanted to become a lesbian do I have to get a tattoo?


Not required, but it helps. Particularly if you place said tattoo on an area that males usually place their tattoos.

[Greenbear]

Homosexuality is sexual perversion. The social engineers want people to become jaded to our natural revulsion against it so they have slowly broken it down over the years with their propaganda. Nothing can be done about the lesbians couples who are artificially inseminated because people have the right to do that but it is child abuse to adopt out kids to homosexual couples of either sex, and they should not be allowed to be foster parents.

[Mouse]

Join the softball league.

Anyway, statistics don't lie, statisticians lie.

I agree with the points about this study being complete BS. You have so much lack of independence here it isn't even funny.

At a 95% confidence interval, you just keep messing about with your sample until you get your results. That's what statisticians do. Either to avoid work, or to get the results that agree with their hypothesis. Particularly in subjective studies, it's very easy to get your results. I mean, even the sample is self-selecting and biased.

We had a training on new sampling method for auditing in compliance with Sarbanes Oxley a few years back. You pick a sample of 30 for a attributes based test or series of tests. You test them. If you have an exception, you then expand the sample to 45 and test those also. If you get another exception the assertion fails. If you don't it passes. Not statistically sound practice, but good enough for GAAP.

Being human beings with real workloads and a lot of things on our plates, we smart ones in the group coined the phrase "there is never only one exception". And our audit teams would go out and do testing, when little senior associate Billy do good comes to me and has an exception I tell him to switch out a small portion of his sample. "Find another exception, I don't care what it is", because then little Billy do good doesn't have to spend half a day testing an expanded sample. Just flipping fail it already. Find a bad apple.

There is never only one exception.

[Mouse]

Join the softball league.

Anyway, statistics don't lie, statisticians lie.

I agree with the points about this study being complete BS. You have so much lack of independence here it isn't even funny.

At a 95% confidence interval, you just keep messing about with your sample until you get your results. That's what statisticians do. Either to avoid work, or to get the results that agree with their hypothesis. Particularly in subjective studies, it's very easy to get your results. I mean, even the sample is self-selecting and biased.

We had a training on new sampling method for auditing in compliance with Sarbanes Oxley a few years back. You pick a sample of 30 for a attributes based test or series of tests. You test them. If you have an exception, you then expand the sample to 45 and test those also. If you get another exception the assertion fails. If you don't it passes. Not statistically sound practice, but good enough for GAAP.

Being human beings with real workloads and a lot of things on our plates, we smart ones in the group coined the phrase "there is never only one exception". And our audit teams would go out and do testing, when little senior associate Billy do good comes to me and has an exception I tell him to switch out a small portion of his sample. "Find another exception, I don't care what it is", because then little Billy do good doesn't have to spend half a day testing an expanded sample. Just flipping fail it already. Find a bad apple.

There is never only one exception.

[Book]

Is that supposed to be an unhappy child?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/A_Dyke_on_a_Bike_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/490px-A_Dyke_on_a_Bike_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Oh...here comes grandma to take Timmy to the Little League Baseball picnic with the other fathers!
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[JDRock]

dykes on bikes hahaa :ROFL:

[kregener]

GOOD GRIEF!

Somebody resize that friggin' picture!

[Book]

dykes on bikes hahaa :ROFL:


Yeah...grandma was a real hoot when she took Timmy to the Boy Scouts Jamboree last year. All the other 'dads" really could relate to her. Timmy was soooooo proud to ride on the back of her Harley!

;D

[Book]

GOOD GRIEF!

Somebody resize that friggin' picture!


ok.

;D

[ximmy]

Finger in the dike? (http://www.moviewavs.com/0059305935/WAVS/Movies/Scarface/inthedike.wav)

[Book]

dykes on bikes hahaa :ROFL:


http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2003/06/30/ba_parade04.jpg

Another great male role model for little Timmy who has two mommies and no daddy.

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[Grand Master Melon]

Is that supposed to be an unhappy child?



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/A_Dyke_on_a_Bike_by_David_Shankbone.jpg/490px-A_Dyke_on_a_Bike_by_David_Shankbone.jpg

Oh...here comes grandma to take Timmy to the Little League Baseball picnic with the other fathers!
:oo-->


Yeah cause that broad is typical of every lesbian. :oo-->

[Nomen luni]

I don't know why people are knocking this research. I've just started injecting sodium fluoride daily. The latest Alcoa funded research says it improves your teeth and adds 100 IQ points!

[Gypsybiker45]

Homosexuality was, is, and always shall be a mental and spiritual disorder.


+10000

[MNeagle]

Man, the person on the rainbow bike looks like a man to me... ???

[Ash_Williams]

I don't know about that... but... I was once daddy's little squirt

I was in Baghdad while you were still in your dad's bag!

[Neuro]

I don't know why people are knocking this research. I've just started injecting sodium fluoride daily. The latest Alcoa funded research says it improves your teeth and adds 100 IQ points!
Grrrreat I'll double the dose to get double effect. I bet ya when I have an IQ of 257 I'll be a really smart dude, and everyone will look at me in awe, like I am only one stone short of Einstein...

[Awoke]

Thanks for your explanation of compartmentalization, chad. I think we are saying the same things, although your explanation was far more coherent than mine. I was determined to figure out what Awoke was asking, without looking up the word compartmentalization.


K-os
Compartmentalization = Separation. Every group is separated from each other, and do not know that they are serving a purpose to serve the NWO agenda. Although most times these groups believe they are acting autonomously, they are typically owned or financed by the conspirators, via the Ford foundation, or other oligarch-owned foundations. Read Colemans book, the Committee of 300. The 4th edition is very well put together and exposes hundreds of these groups that contribute meaningfully to the NWO agenda without knowing it.




My thought was that the individual small groups were created to help each other (knowingly or not) with a goal of bringing down a threat, in this case traditional family. I was not thinking that the attack was on Christianity, but rather an attack on traditional family, which is a stable network, and obviously valuable.



The attack on the Family (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=destruction+of+the+family+unit&meta=&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) is only one small portion of the whole conspiracy. Ralph Epperson effectively covers this subject in his book "The New World Order".

The sexual deviation and immoralization of society is another.
The usurous fiat debt system of enslavement and labour is another.
The mandatory multicultural salad bowl and loss of national identity is another.
The de-industrialization of North America and loss of jobs is another.
The poisoning of humanity and controlled food suppies is another.
The emotional control and suppression of citizens is another.
The destruction of our education system and inculcation of our young is another.
The slow, steady change from a Republic, to democracy, to socialism, to communism to satanism is another.

We are bombarded on all sides, by hundreds and hundreds of committees, agencies, lobbiests, activists, media, you name it.

However, at the root, the most concentrated effort by the NWO conspirators is the destruction of Christianity. One of the main stepping stone towards that end is the destruction of the Family unit.
Families that are torn asunder will not allow for Children to be raised in a loving environment in which they are meant to learn morals, honor, and Faith. This removes the foundation of integrity that should be laid down by loving parents.

State-raised children is one of the prime objectives laid out by the jew Karl Marx, as well as abolition of marriage and Christianity.

I could go on.

[Book]

However, at the root, the most concentrated effort by the NWO conspirators is the destruction of Christianity. One of the main stepping stone towards that end is the destruction of the Family unit.



http://www.cannabis.com/files/photos/0a09c8844ba8f09L.jpg

ZOG Hollywood is attacking the Muslim family unit also. Bringing "feminism" to the young girls in that modest culture.

:o

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/9/9/i/4/0/5/p-large/MuslimGirlRamadanCover.jpg

[Awoke]

Yes my friend.

The Musulman culture has its own crypto-jewish 5th column to contend with, which is well documented and easily proven.

If you refer to my post in this thread (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/a-hatred-that-resists-exorcism/msg75310/#msg75310), and read the letter by Messainer Levy to Karl Marx, in regards to jewish dominion over all of the earth, notice the second sentence, which reads "Its kingdom over the universe is obtained through the uniting of the other human races".

I take the phrase "uniting of the other human races" to mean "water-down", "mix", "intermingle" and/or "interbreed". Note however that the jew will maintain the "purity" of their upper-crust bloodlines with utmost fervor, except for in the cases of the families that have been selected to be integrated to support the proliferation of the 5th column, in order to further dismantle society, order and faith.