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DMac
8th June 2010, 10:44 AM
Wow, some great footage. Flames?!?!?!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/v/BL7Bvxtu95c&hl=en_GB&fs=1

Large Sarge
8th June 2010, 10:57 AM
I do not see any flames.

not sure you could keep a fire going that deep underwater ( a mile down)

no oxygen to burn anything down there

all the gases coming out with the oil are volcanic and methane, etc

I am me, I am free
8th June 2010, 10:59 AM
I do not see any flames.

not sure you could keep a fire going that deep underwater ( a mile down)

no oxygen to burn anything down there

all the gases coming out with the oil are volcanic and methane, etc




Oxygen injection?

We will never know seeing as how BP avoids any transparency.

DMac
8th June 2010, 11:05 AM
I feel dirty when I visit GLP, I did today and saw the video there, I pasted the youtube link on GSUS to avoid linking to GLP. Regardless, here is the GLP link I found the video:

(Much clearer than the youtube clip)

http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/I_THINK_ITS_GONNA_BLOW?id=7def504f1ba0442df98

I am me, I am free
8th June 2010, 11:08 AM
Those are some very bright spots - looks like flames to me.

DMac
8th June 2010, 11:17 AM
I do not see any flames.

not sure you could keep a fire going that deep underwater ( a mile down)

no oxygen to burn anything down there

all the gases coming out with the oil are volcanic and methane, etc




Check out this underwater volcano eruption from the discovery channel:

http://news.discovery.com/videos/earth-underwater-volcano-caught-on-video.html

Yeah, I didn't believe there could something like fire underwater either - how about a thought experiment:

If it is an "oil volcano" under the sea; and is coming out at extremely fast speeds; plus incredible pressures; plus a small amount of molten lava -- could this ignite small pockets of oxygen as the surrounding water is instantly vaporized by the various heat+pressures to create enough oxygen for small pockets of fire?

edit

Any fire would be put out very fast by the surrounding cold water. Could this be why it is very slight flashes?

I am me, I am free
8th June 2010, 11:20 AM
I think at this point it definitely qualifies as an oil volcano and by no stretch of the imagination can it be called a 'spill'. Volcanoes don't 'spill', volcanoes SPEW.

Have you ever heard of a 'volcano spill'??

Large Sarge
8th June 2010, 11:22 AM
I do not see any flames.

not sure you could keep a fire going that deep underwater ( a mile down)

no oxygen to burn anything down there

all the gases coming out with the oil are volcanic and methane, etc




Check out this underwater volcano eruption from the discovery channel:

http://news.discovery.com/videos/earth-underwater-volcano-caught-on-video.html

Yeah, I didn't believe there could something like fire underwater either - how about a thought experiment:

If it is an "oil volcano" under the sea; and is coming out at extremely fast speeds; plus incredible pressures; plus a small amount of molten lava -- could this ignite small pockets of oxygen as the surrounding water is instantly vaporized by the various heat+pressures to create enough oxygen for small pockets of fire?




that could be in the realm of possibility, but just not likely

the pressures down there are HUGE

and that changes the properties also

remember the first top hat, they got seawater in the funnel, and the methane, and it all froze solid

pressure & temperature.

there would be smoke blowing up on the surface, even a small bit.

no reports on that.

keep an eye on it, just seems unlikely, oxygen is the main component of combustion, and there is nothing there.

StackerKen
8th June 2010, 11:28 AM
Looks like flames to me too.

I showed my wife just now...and she said see saw those flames a couple days ago when I showed her the live feed of the "spill"

DMac
8th June 2010, 11:29 AM
Not trying to force the point but to keep adding information. Here is another undersea volcano video.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-qZYgRei2k

Ponce
8th June 2010, 11:43 AM
Hello amigos.........sorry to disappoint you but those are not flames.....it something painted yellow in the background and what you are looking at is the "clear" spaces between the oil that shows the yellow background.......at the very top please noticed the yellow finger center of the screen.

DMac
8th June 2010, 11:51 AM
I found this USGS paper on the ocean floor of the gulf. It seems the area down in the deep water sections are quite prone to Mud Volcanos. There also seems to be a relationship between shallow sub-surface gas release and sea floor failure. The paper is from 1999 Dept. of the Interior and in the end calls for further research.

PDF LINK A seismic-reflection investigation of gas hydrates and sea-floor
features of the upper continental slope of the Garden Banks and
Green Canyon regions, northern Gulf of Mexico: (http://geopubs.wr.usgs.gov/open-file/of99-570/of99-570.pdf)





Here is another paper. Within the pages it also discusses the positions of various undersea mud volcanoes. (PDF LINK) SITE SELECTION FOR DOE/JIP GAS HYDRATE DRILLING IN THE
NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO (http://www.mms.gov/revaldiv/PDFs/Hydrates%20Pub-JIP.DOE.pdf)


Whether or not the video shows flames I am convinced they have struck an undersea volcano (mud or molten) and we are just hitting the tip of the iceberg with the amount of damage this eruption is going to cause.

Ash_Williams
8th June 2010, 12:53 PM
What's the flash point for crude oil? I imagine it would be very high. You can take a torch to motor oil and not be able to get it burning.

Ponce
8th June 2010, 01:15 PM
Worry about what is floating above the ocean and not under it.........if such explotion were to occur under the ocean it would be like the big rock that fell next to Yucatan long ago.

PatColo
8th June 2010, 01:20 PM
I think at this point it definitely qualifies as an oil volcano and by no stretch of the imagination can it be called a 'spill'. Volcanoes don't 'spill', volcanoes SPEW.

Have you ever heard of a 'volcano spill'??


It's a LEAK.

Adapting from the famous amber lamps video,

"it leakin!" :o

not exactly on topic here, but where else to post it?

"Devastation: You Can Smell The Oil From A Helicopter And Birds Are Frying! "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wZfnqn1G2U

I am me, I am free
8th June 2010, 01:30 PM
What's the flash point for crude oil? I imagine it would be very high. You can take a torch to motor oil and not be able to get it burning.


The V.O.C.s in crude lower the flash point considerably lower than motor oil.

Ponce
8th June 2010, 01:38 PM
Now you guys are scaring me........from now on I'll sleep with a fire extinguisher next to my bed.......from FL to OR is only a skip and a jump.

Vendico
9th June 2010, 01:08 PM
Look at it now. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV1.html

Those are not flames. They have a light shining on it now and you can clearly see it's the yellow casing that the oil is coming out of. It's just behind the oil and it looked like fire. Now that they have a light on it, it's pretty clear what it is.

DMac
9th June 2010, 01:58 PM
Look at it now. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV1.html

Those are not flames. They have a light shining on it now and you can clearly see it's the yellow casing that the oil is coming out of. It's just behind the oil and it looked like fire. Now that they have a light on it, it's pretty clear what it is.


Thanks

Holy crap is that stuff firing out of there now! That flow rate looks insane!

Twisted Titan
9th June 2010, 02:30 PM
We are in shitload of trouble

everybody.


T

Ponce
9th June 2010, 04:29 PM
Hey Vendico? at least you could say "Ponce was right, once again" hahahahahah

Grand Master Melon
9th June 2010, 04:54 PM
Look at it now. http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/Skandi_ROV1.html

Those are not flames. They have a light shining on it now and you can clearly see it's the yellow casing that the oil is coming out of. It's just behind the oil and it looked like fire. Now that they have a light on it, it's pretty clear what it is.
It says right on the right hand side of the page that natural gas was flared. I'm not sure what that means but it sounds like fire was used and it looks right now like there is a small amount of fire.

Vendico
9th June 2010, 06:22 PM
Hey Vendico? at least you could say "Ponce was right, once again" hahahahahah



lol "Ponce was right, once again"... ;D