That Sense of Impending Doom

[Spectrism]

Ever get that feeling like thew company is going to be cutting back and your boss might call you in any minute? Or that your little world has been peaceful enough and stable but at any moment an earthquake could shake you around inside your house? Does the light of day ever look a little "off"? Surreal?

This is a little bit of a strange day for me. It seems they are happening more frequently. Deep troubling inside. There is a big shoe to drop. The warning is to prepare mentally. Be troubled in mind now so that you will be clear and calm then.

Don't let the calamities trouble your heart. I have been talking with the Creator and will be doing that more intensely as time goes on. His Spirit will not allow sin-tainted man to exist for much longer. The troubles ahead are to wake up the sleeping sheep. These are not the wrath of God but judgments upon our society and the evils we do. Their intent is to turn man to his Creator. Get clean. Get sober. Look up. Time is growing short.

[Ponce]

I knew what was going to happen ten years ago and the first thing that I did was to get the hell out of CA.

I am now as ready as anyone can be and now is only a matter of waiting for it to happen.......but remember......"To be ready is not"... Ponce

[Greenbear]

The sense of impending doom ebbs and flows. I don't know what they're going to do next but this summer they might let it all implode. Or not. It really seems like it this time, though. We're more prepared than most but ultimately we trust the Lord is in control of our lives.

[ximmy]

I used to but not anymore... I have things set up so that if I had too work minimum wage (a cashier or whatever) I could still cover all expenses (everything is paid for except a small mortgage)... Liberating indeed.

[Book]

Don't let the calamities trouble your heart. I have been talking with the Creator and will be doing that more intensely as time goes on. His Spirit will not allow sin-tainted man to exist for much longer.



This is yet another (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/pay-close-attention-to-this-wildcard-post/msg58696/#msg58696) recent GSUS thread hoping for Divine intervention. Jesus is not some free plumber we call wtshtf. God will not suddenly provide the beans, bullets, band-aids, and friends we neglected to gather.

This visceral sense of insecurity is an internal signal for self-responsible action that all in the animal world possess.

[JohnQPublic]

Don't let the calamities trouble your heart. I have been talking with the Creator and will be doing that more intensely as time goes on. His Spirit will not allow sin-tainted man to exist for much longer.



This is yet another (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/pay-close-attention-to-this-wildcard-post/msg58696/#msg58696) recent GSUS thread hoping for Divine intervention. Jesus is not some free plumber we call wtshtf. God will not suddenly provide the beans, bullets, band-aids, and friends we neglected to gather.

This visceral sense of insecurity is an internal signal for self-responsible action that all in the animal world possess.




Quote from a Catholic Saint (not sure which one):

KNOW that God can do anything.
ACT like He will do nothing.

[Greenbear]

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

:)

[Greenbear]

Proverbs 6:6-11 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise: Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler, Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest. How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep? Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep: So shall thy poverty come as one that travelleth, and thy want as an armed man.

[JohnQPublic]

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

:)


This peace is knowing that no matter what happens to you in this life, you have a place waiting in heaven. This is not a promise of happiness in this world and now. Terrible things can happen to good people (and to bad).

I am not meaning to be negative, but just discussing the interpretation.

The collapse that is occuring (it has actually occured, but is currently playing out), in the long run, could actually be good for us (reordering society, stripping the corruption out of governments, etc.), but the short term could get ugly.

[KumbayaMan]

Don't let the calamities trouble your heart. I have been talking with the Creator and will be doing that more intensely as time goes on. His Spirit will not allow sin-tainted man to exist for much longer.



This is yet another (http://gold-silver.us/forum/general-discussion/pay-close-attention-to-this-wildcard-post/msg58696/#msg58696) recent GSUS thread hoping for Divine intervention. Jesus is not some free plumber we call wtshtf. God will not suddenly provide the beans, bullets, band-aids, and friends we neglected to gather.

This visceral sense of insecurity is an internal signal for self-responsible action that all in the animal world possess.




Good to see you back Mr Book....

[KumbayaMan]

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

:)


Sometimes its hard to maintain this perspective GB, Thanks

[Book]

Quote from a Catholic Saint (not sure which one):

KNOW that God can do anything.
ACT like He will do nothing.



We should all be reading the thread started by Saint MNeagle (http://gold-silver.us/forum/preparedness/100-things-you-will-wish-you-had-stored/msg17621/#msg17621) in the Preps section and move this present thread to the Faith and Religion section where it belongs. Anybody here who has not already completed the list in MNeagle's thread has no business praying for Divine intervention and help in this General Discussion section...lol.

:D

[JohnQPublic]

Quote from a Catholic Saint (not sure which one):

KNOW that God can do anything.
ACT like He will do nothing.



We should all be reading the thread started by Saint MNeagle (http://gold-silver.us/forum/preparedness/100-things-you-will-wish-you-had-stored/msg17621/#msg17621) in the Preps section and move this present thread to the Faith and Religion section where it belongs. Anybody here who has not already completed the list in MNeagle's thread has no business praying for Divine intervention and help in this General Discussion section...lol.

:D


Mentioning the Creator does not automatically force a thread into the religion section- we are not the federal government. God is part of life, the world and everything (to borrow a phrase, oh and btw- thanks for all the fish). Welcome back Book. I figure you live in a library, and someone just borrowed you for a while ;)!

[Ponce]

Hey there God, looks to me that you are very popular now days with what the impending doom and all that.

I want to see what all this people are going to do WTSHTF, will they start praying to you like hounds out of hell?

I know, I know, is kind of funny and they all quote the Bible and what ever and you just seat back and have a ball seeing what is going on.....by the way...if when TSHTF you need a place to go to you are more than welcome to come in, just be sure to bring all the food, and tp, that you might need for at least five years.

Anyway buddy.......take care..........your friend..........Ponce.

[JohnQPublic]

Hey there God, looks to me that you are very popular now days with what the impending doom and all that...


You'll know it is really bad when you see the hard core atheists on their knees praying!

[Libertytree]

I get those impending senses sometimes too Spectrism, they've been right enough times that it gets my attention whenever it happens. Sometimes though, it's a false flag and those feelings subside, it's really disconcerting and messes with my mind but ya can't ignore them either because they've been right too many times in the past.

I try and remember that no matter how well prepared we think we are we're never prepared enough, it's an impossibility. To be mentally prepared is the most important thing and I think most here are at least mentally prepared even if we're limited in physical preparedness.

[Ponce]

PS: Please keep this date in mind........October the 20........why? I saw it in a dream but I don't know why.......actually what I saw was 10/20.

[Spectrism]

Preparation- absolutely. I think that is just being a wise steward of what has been entrusted to you. Some of us are heads of households. We are responsible to look after those who are not aware, who do not hold our authority and are unable to deal with the preparations.

I know some of you are embittered against the concept of a God. You probably have some good reasons for it too. Am I weak because I bow to a perfect and faithful God? Am I a fool to trust in someone that you think may be imaginary?

There are times when I can reflect on how I got to where I am today. All I can say is that I have experienced supernatural favor and wish this same (or better) favor on every one of you. When there are no minimal wage jobs to be had or when you have no physical way of getting by, then you can call upon the One who really cares about you. I just wanted to make clear that what is coming is not to hurt you, although it will hurt. We are reaching the end of the line. It will be so severe that most people will curse God even though they claim not to believe in God.

Anyway.... the days are stranger and curiouser. There are days that the sunlight does not feel right. I feel like that animal who gets skittish when an earthquake is about to happen, and all the people look at me like I am strange. I have had a long time of warning and I know the events will be accelerating like a roller coaster car that just peaked over the top. We are at a rare moment when we still can do things. Flying down the track in a deep dive, you won't be able to do much but hold on.

I see many people who are lost and going to be swept out to sea by the tidal wave of destruction. How would you feel to be watching people boarding the Titanic on its final voyage, knowing what you know? Could you just stand there and quietly watch?

[Ponce]

A "God" by any other name would be still the same...something bigger than you, I call it "The Force" and only found the right name after seeing "Star Wars"....... and like they said "The Force" is everything which is everywhre.

Many people are scared of "God", but why?.....I talk to it every time that I take a walk in the woods and l talk to it like I would to a good friend and it has keep me out of trouble for a very long time........it lets me know what is going to happen before it happens and I don't mean WTSHTF but in my everyday life...........and you know what? it is always right.

[Greenbear]

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

:)


This peace is knowing that no matter what happens to you in this life, you have a place waiting in heaven. This is not a promise of happiness in this world and now. Terrible things can happen to good people (and to bad).

I am not meaning to be negative, but just discussing the interpretation.

The collapse that is occuring (it has actually occured, but is currently playing out), in the long run, could actually be good for us (reordering society, stripping the corruption out of governments, etc.), but the short term could get ugly.


I agree with you, JohnQPublic. In this world Christians are promised both tribulation in the world, and the peace of knowing our fate, and joy in the here and now because we belong to him. I don't mean to imply that I think that people in America, including Christians, will not suffer in the coming world collapse, NWO, or whatever is coming, because I believe that we will. I will prepare but I will not worry about things that I cannot change, and I will trust the Lord to provide for me. It is ultimately up to him what happens to me.

The Great depression was a time of great revival in this country. Hopefully, this will happen again but who knows?

I'm also thinking of these words of Jesus:

Matthew 10:28-29 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.

Matthew 6:25-34 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

[Book]

Ever get that feeling like thew company is going to be cutting back and your boss might call you in any minute? Or that your little world has been peaceful enough and stable but at any moment an earthquake could shake you around inside your house? Does the light of day ever look a little "off"? Surreal?

This is a little bit of a strange day for me. It seems they are happening more frequently. Deep troubling inside. There is a big shoe to drop. The warning is to prepare mentally. Be troubled in mind now so that you will be clear and calm then...






Preparation- absolutely. I think that is just being a wise steward of what has been entrusted to you. Some of us are heads of households. We are responsible to look after those who are not aware, who do not hold our authority and are unable to deal with the preparations...

...Anyway.... the days are stranger and curiouser. There are days that the sunlight does not feel right. I feel like that animal who gets skittish when an earthquake is about to happen, and all the people look at me like I am strange....



Head of households also have a responsibility to not scare the children by "sharing" only their weird sensations of doom and fear and foreboding. Can you also reassure the children that you have done more than just "talk to the Creator" about beans, bullets, band-aids, and friendships?

What does this thread actually offer to GSUS visitors besides Bible quotations?

:)

[Greenbear]

What does this thread actually offer to GSUS visitors besides Bible quotations?

Nagging? ;D

[zap]

Quote from Liberty Tree;

To be mentally prepared is the most important thing and I think most here are at least mentally prepared even if we're limited in physical preparedness.


I think this is the biggest roadblock alot of people have, from what I've seen people go all to pieces when things change or when it looks like all is lost , they can't think under pressure they kinda go off the deep end, So being prepared mentally or how you handle emergencies will be very helpful wtshtf,

Be flexible and adaptable, stop and think .

[JohnQPublic]

A "God" by any other name would be still the same...something bigger than you, I call it "The Force" and only found the right name after seeing "Star Wars"....... and like they said "The Force" is everything which is everywhre.

Many people are scared of "God", but why?.....I talk to it every time that I take a walk in the woods and l talk to it like I would to a good friend and it has keep me out of trouble for a very long time........it lets me know what is going to happen before it happens and I don't mean WTSHTF but in my everyday life...........and you know what? it is always right.


Ponce:

I'm glad you talk to God. You may find the experience even more satisfying once you realize He is personal, and can be called by name. ;)

[JohnQPublic]

...What does this thread actually offer to GSUS visitors besides Bible quotations?

:)


At GSUS, we can discuss a variety of different topics.

[Horn]

So long as the junk mail still flows, and the trash gets picked up, what's the world have to worry about? :oo-->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w78xaWKq-uQ

[JohnQPublic]

...I agree with you, JohnQPublic. In this world Christians are promised both tribulation in the world, and the peace of knowing our fate, and joy in the here and now because we belong to him...

The Great depression was a time of great revival in this country. Hopefully, this will happen again but who knows?

I'm also thinking of these words of Jesus:

Matthew 10:28-29 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul...

Matthew 6:25-34 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on...

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I think we are on the same wavelength.

[Ponce]

Matthew 6:25-34 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on...

I can see that Matthew was not a survivalist and that he wanted to go to the glory of God fast like.

Me? I'll be standing with the Devil, him with his pichfork and me with my rifle.

[oldmansmith]

I know some of you are embittered against the concept of a God.

Not me, but where I disagree is the narrow interpretation of "God." The idea that "God" put all it's thoughts into one - and only one - book is so ridiculious it does not warrant a comment. Our puny brains cannot come close to comprehending "God,' obviously, since we are tiny in comparison. Thus defending a narrow view of "God" seems very silly on its face.

No offense, Spec, I happen to like your posts. I once believed something very similar to you.

[Spectrism]

Thanks for your true words JQP and Greenbear.

Ponce- it was not Matthew who spoke those but the Creator of all that was made. He promised to supply His own with what they need. One of those things is wisdom. For some He provides foreknowledge, others wealth. Some He gives the ability to teach & speak, and others He gives healing touch. All of His followers are one body to meet each others' needs, sharing what we have been given.

In like manner, having friends in your neighborhood will multiply your strength.

[Spectrism]

I know some of you are embittered against the concept of a God.

Not me, but where I disagree is the narrow interpretation of "God." The idea that "God" put all it's thoughts into one - and only one - book is so ridiculious it does not warrant a comment. Our puny brains cannot come close to comprehending "God,' obviously, since we are tiny in comparison. Thus defending a narrow view of "God" seems very silly on its face.

No offense, Spec, I happen to like your posts. I once believed something very similar to you.



Hey Smitty- I agree with you. There is no way that all His thoughts could be put into one book. But we have enough of them. ;D

There is no way one small cookbook could have all recipes, but there may be enough to cook the variety of necessary things for survival. The bible is an operator's manual. When you hold the operator's manual for a telephone, is it supposed to hold every conversation that you will have on that phone?



But back to the main topic- I expect to be hearing some practical things, some of which I can share here. I hope there are others who will have similar experiences with these strange days and can alert us to events happening or about to happen.

[osoab]

Yeah I feel the impending doom. But if I stayed away from GSUS, quit reading what the current economic conditions currently are, and stopped looking @ astronomical and geological events,
the world would seem like a peachy time. I think we have a tendancy to perpetuate our feeling of doom. When you read about crap day after day, well, it weighs on you.


Just kick back, grab your favorite light beer and potato chips and watch TV. Just try not to get worked up over American Idol.

[Mouse]

I have felt that sense of impending doom twice in my career. Both times, I made a full backup of my laptop, and both times I was right. One of the times I got up cheerfully, told my wife I was probably coming home without my laptop today. I had previously discussed the suss with my best friend and told him I thought some shiite was going down. I came home without a laptop. I called it to the day and there were few obvious hints. Just that feeling like you know it's coming. The second time I was a day off. I got past the predicted day and thought I might have been wrong, and the next day it hit.

In terms of general doom, we all can kind of sense it in the air. Things aren't right. I don't know what forces got me to finally wake up, but its a double edge. You feel blessed that you have been given the insight to look beyond the facade, but what you find there is dreadful indeed.

As a result of my chasing truth, I have been able to get out of a major metropolis death trap, into a small farm in a much safer area and prepped as much as I could. I have armed myself and my wife, we are producing our own food as best as possible given our limited knowledge, and life has simplified enormously. Also, not living in a large metropolis makes debt much less of an issue, as we now have much less of it.

The downside is that not being in the big city makes it a real problem if you lose your job, which I did. I have a tinfoil hat that is tuned in pretty tight and can't help but wonder if the personal economic situation would be a lot better if I HAD NEVER WOKE UP. I think that there is a certain smell to someone who "gets it" or some other tip-off that TPTB can sense, and then they work to ensure your life ceases to be so easy in the paper world. I really think they know who we are and make steps to reduce our power.

I don't think it really matters, as I was working in companies deeply involved in the ponzi scheme and feel much better not being involved in that aspect. I am not a zealot but I think collective GOD works in mysterious ways and if you just roll with the directions given and/or circumstances that are placed, you end up where you are meant to go and safe passage is granted.

But keep prepping by all means :)

[Book]

http://peaceofsoul.net/uploads/Jesus_saves_Peter.jpg

Yeah...taking swimming lessons is a waste of time.

:oo-->

[k-os]

I get the unexplainable "something isn't right" feeling fairly often. Lately, the color of the world outside is not right. The world has a yellow tint to it. I love the color yellow, so it is a wonder that I am bothered by the yellow tint. I can't see it when I am outside, only when I am inside looking out. So, literally, the world doesn't look right to me.

I am not exactly close with God, or the Creator, or the Universe or whatever you want to call it. I don't talk with him on a regular basis. I do appreciate the beauty and love that surrounds me, and I believe I have been guided in my life.

There have been so many times, while on GIM1 or GSUS when I've thought that maybe what I should concentrate on is a spiritual path (faith, love), and to forget about this physical path (security, guns, preps) that I have been on. I am obviously not as advanced as many of you in your prepping or in your spirituality, but it does seem like I couldn't do both and do them well. In my mind, the two objectives contradict one another. For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping? Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?

These are rhetorical questions. I don't need a bible quote for these questions, really. I know there is a bible quote that will justify anything. That's part of my problem with the bible. It sometimes contradicts itself, and people use it as a tool against each other. Multiply the number of translations that exist by the number of interpretations and it's just too numerous for me to believe that there is one true way to interpret the bible. Then, people need other people to interpret the bible. They may as well just say to a preacher/priest "tell me how you want me to think and act".

Many of you may have achieved a balance between physical and spiritual that I can not fathom, and I applaud you for that. I am not sure it is possible for me.

Sorry for my rant. I actually admire people who have faith . . . in anything.

[Dave Thomas]

Eh, I'm burnt out on disaster. Maybe when something happens I'll perk up.

As far as asking for Jesus's help, I figure he's got enough nagging to deal with. I don't want to presume on our friendship.

[MNeagle]

"Trust in God, but row away from the rocks."

[Greenbear]

http://peaceofsoul.net/uploads/Jesus_saves_Peter.jpg

Yeah...taking swimming lessons is a waste of time.

:oo-->


Book, swimming lessons profit a little but keeping one's eyes on the One who can walk on water profits much. :)

[7th trump]

Ever get that feeling like thew company is going to be cutting back and your boss might call you in any minute? Or that your little world has been peaceful enough and stable but at any moment an earthquake could shake you around inside your house? Does the light of day ever look a little "off"? Surreal?

This is a little bit of a strange day for me. It seems they are happening more frequently. Deep troubling inside. There is a big shoe to drop. The warning is to prepare mentally. Be troubled in mind now so that you will be clear and calm then...






Preparation- absolutely. I think that is just being a wise steward of what has been entrusted to you. Some of us are heads of households. We are responsible to look after those who are not aware, who do not hold our authority and are unable to deal with the preparations...

...Anyway.... the days are stranger and curiouser. There are days that the sunlight does not feel right. I feel like that animal who gets skittish when an earthquake is about to happen, and all the people look at me like I am strange....



Head of households also have a responsibility to not scare the children by "sharing" only their weird sensations of doom and fear and foreboding. Can you also reassure the children that you have done more than just "talk to the Creator" about beans, bullets, band-aids, and friendships?

What does this thread actually offer to GSUS visitors besides Bible quotations?

:)

Nice picture.
Where did you get it if ya dont mind me asking?

[ximmy]

Yeah...taking swimming lessons is a waste of time.
:oo-->

http://peaceofsoul.net/uploads/Jesus_saves_Peter.jpg


It reminds me of the lyrics for "flood" also fitting to the OP post...

Rain, rain on my face
It hasn't stopped raining for days
My world is a flood
Slowly I become one with the mud

But if I can't swim after forty days
and my mind is crushed by the thrashing waves
Lift me up so high that I cannot fall
Lift me up
Lift me up - when I'm falling
Lift me up - I'm weak and I'm dying
Lift me up - I need you to hold me
Lift me up - Keep me from drowning again

Downpour on my soul
Splashing in the ocean, I'm losing control
Dark sky all around
I can't feel my feet touching the ground

Calm the storms that drench my eyes
Dry the streams still flowing
Cast down all the waves of sin
And guilt that overthrow me

[Book]

There have been so many times, while on GIM1 or GSUS when I've thought that maybe what I should concentrate on is a spiritual path (faith, love), and to forget about this physical path (security, guns, preps) that I have been on. I am obviously not as advanced as many of you in your prepping or in your spirituality, but it does seem like I couldn't do both and do them well. In my mind, the two objectives contradict one another. For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping? Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?



No one has posted a more sagacious comment than this in this thread. I agree with your perspective and logic. You overestimate others...lol.

:)

[Spectrism]

I get the unexplainable "something isn't right" feeling fairly often. Lately, the color of the world outside is not right. The world has a yellow tint to it. I love the color yellow, so it is a wonder that I am bothered by the yellow tint. I can't see it when I am outside, only when I am inside looking out. So, literally, the world doesn't look right to me.

Ahhh... somebody else can see it too! It feels artificial, like a plastic christmas tree in February. It makes the world look like a box.




For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping? Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?

We build a house for shelter because this world was cursed and is hazardous to our bodies. We collect up food because some days and some seasons we won't be able to collect. Since we live in a fallen world with people who love to do evil, we establish order by defending others and ourselves from those who would seek to harm us unlawfully. We believe that no man is above he law of God. We also hold dearly to the Messiah who made payment for us which is the cost for us violating the law. Sometimes it is necessary to resist by force in righteousness those who would do evil. Mercy is offered to those who would repent. Forgiveness is offered to those who would admit to their sins and seek restitution if possible. A hardened murderer set on doing destruction will be put down like a mad dog.

[k-os]

No one has posted a more sagacious comment than this in this thread. I agree with your perspective and logic. You overestimate others...lol.


Welcome back, Book.

Thanks for the compliment and the new word.

[Book]

No one has posted a more sagacious comment than this in this thread. I agree with your perspective and logic. You overestimate others...lol.


Welcome back, Book.

Thanks for the compliment and the new word.


Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D

[k-os]

I get the unexplainable "something isn't right" feeling fairly often. Lately, the color of the world outside is not right. The world has a yellow tint to it. I love the color yellow, so it is a wonder that I am bothered by the yellow tint. I can't see it when I am outside, only when I am inside looking out. So, literally, the world doesn't look right to me.

Ahhh... somebody else can see it too! It feels artificial, like a plastic christmas tree in February. It makes the world look like a box.



It's a relief that there is someone who doesn't think I am crazy for saying something like that. I am sure there are other things for which you would think I am crazy, so I will leave that possibility. ;D





For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping? Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?

We build a house for shelter because this world was cursed and is hazardous to our bodies. We collect up food because some days and some seasons we won't be able to collect. Since we live in a fallen world with people who love to do evil, we establish order by defending others and ourselves from those who would seek to harm us unlawfully. We believe that no man is above he law of God. We also hold dearly to the Messiah who made payment for us which is the cost for us violating the law. Sometimes it is necessary to resist by force in righteousness those who would do evil. Mercy is offered to those who would repent. Forgiveness is offered to those who would admit to their sins and seek restitution if possible. A hardened murderer set on doing destruction will be put down like a mad dog.



Thank you for this personal explanation.

[Mouse]

K-os,

I see the yellowness of things also, especially in the dusk. It is un-natural.

The security and preps is what you are guided to do. This is what you have been told, and not by some nutwings on an intarweb site. It is just that you have been told. That has been my experience. Nobody tells me but I am told. And I try to go with the flow.

I might be meat plow material for haarp if prep is the message they are sending, but I believe that we all connect and are told what we must do for ourselves and ultimately eachother. It is the guiding force that puts you in the river and the current explains to you to prep, turn left, do this, do that, and you do it. All of the pieces will fit at some point.

Your humility speaks well for you and I believe that it doesn't matter which team you think you are on, all of this will happen, and those that are tuned in to the flow and do what they are guided to, they are the ones who will receive mercy. Those who fight against tide will have more answers to provide.

[k-os]

Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


Oh, come on now. You know if it comes down to that, you'd take any woman you could get.

[Steal]

Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


Oh, come on now. You know if it comes down to that, you'd take any woman you could get.


Yeah, I have to agree. I say , Let them both in.hehe

[ximmy]

Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


Oh, come on now. You know if it comes down to that, you'd take any woman you could get.


Yeah, I have to agree. I say , Let them both in.hehe


yeah, the one with the bible can cook. ;D

[k-os]

Mouse, I really felt your response. Thank you very much for your encouraging words. Wow. Each time I read them, the more profound they are. Imagine if we could all just let ourselves be guided, and let others be guided however they are guided and trust that it will all come together in the end. I don't think we would have much to argue about at all.

It's that kind of faith that I admire.

[k-os]

Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


Oh, come on now. You know if it comes down to that, you'd take any woman you could get.


Yeah, I have to agree. I say , Let them both in.hehe


yeah, the one with the bible can cook. ;D


Probably. However, in this case, so can the one with the rifle. ;)

[Greenbear]

No one has posted a more sagacious comment than this in this thread. I agree with your perspective and logic. You overestimate others...lol.


Welcome back, Book.

Thanks for the compliment and the new word.


Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


:D Couldn't the women in your story have both KJB's and Ruger 10/22s? They are not mutually exclusive. Christians are allowed to defend themselves.

[oldmansmith]

Funny I feel no doom at all, a big change for me. Out in the garden today soaking in the sun, blue bird sky. I know that TS is HTF, but I feel that Mrs. Old and I will be okay.

[sirgonzo420]

No one has posted a more sagacious comment than this in this thread. I agree with your perspective and logic. You overestimate others...lol.


Welcome back, Book.

Thanks for the compliment and the new word.


Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


:D Couldn't the women in your story have both KJB's and Ruger 10/22s? They are not mutually exclusive. Christians are allowed to defend themselves.


Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:25

[Greenbear]

Know that you are wise. Just imagine you and another woman approaching some survival compound and at the gate they ask you two what you possess. You say "Ruger 10/22 with two bricks of ammo" and the other woman says "King James version of the Bible". You both rightfully claim extensive practice and knowledge of your possession. Would take me maybe two seconds to decide who gets in...lol.

:D


Oh, come on now. You know if it comes down to that, you'd take any woman you could get.


Yeah, I have to agree. I say , Let them both in.hehe


yeah, the one with the bible can cook. ;D


Probably. However, in this case, so can the one with the rifle. ;)


I can cook up the grits with a cast iron skillet in one hand and a rifle in the other.

http://images.inmagine.com/img/rubberball/rbv013/rbv0130311.jpg

[ximmy]

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:25

When disciples and swords come together... ears go missing...

[Greenbear]

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. - Luke 22:25

When disciples and swords come together... ears go missing...

+K Ms. Wordsmith. :)

[Book]

http://a2.vox.com/6a00b8ea0714f21bc000d09e5c6692be2b-500pi

Nah. Remember that wtshtf the Bible can be found in every motel and hotel room everywhere. They ain't scarce at all. If the other woman arrived with a Betty Crocker cookbook and claimed to know how to use it...they both get in...lol.

:D

[StackerKen]

"Trust in God, but row away from the rocks."

+K :)

[Horn]

Eh, I'm burnt out on disaster. Maybe when something happens I'll perk up.

As far as asking for Jesus's help, I figure he's got enough nagging to deal with. I don't want to presume on our friendship.


I appreciate this honesty, and champion its foresight.

Though I just want to remind you Dave, there is no way that you are going to beat me on the race to the bottom. ;D

It reminds of an oldtimer on GIM a while back, I forget his handle now?

He used to go on about finding eating critters he found at the base of trees in the forest, and sharing over ripened and frozen winter fruit still on the trees with wild deer.

Gerry, was his name.

If he was young enough, he will still be around after the Sheat hits.

[Sparky]

Interesting thread. With regard to K's comment on the dichotomy between faith and prepping...

Some people here have expressed a sense of panic as they try to prepare, a feeling that they started too late, or that they are running out of time. Some have felt the urgency so overwhelming that it has affected their physical and mental health. I think this is where faith and prepping become symbiotic. Faith provides the serenity to diligently yet patiently pursue preparation without panic.

As for the bible, it is best to first approach the bible for its themes. I once tried to identify all the continuing themes that run throughout the bible; I think I came up with a couple dozen. One theme is that worrying is futile. Do with each day what God has allowed for you. Do today's preps today, not tomorrow's preps. Along the way, God promises to give us each day our daily bread. Take Him up on it. I can attest that this is much easier said than done, but try to find peace in it.

This is one of the most comforting passages in the bible: "Come to me all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew 11:28-30

[Rebel Yarr]

Thank GSUS I have been preparing for a good amount of time now.

[Quantum]

For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping?


"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

1 Timothy 5:8




Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?


"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke 22:36




These are rhetorical questions. I don't need a bible quote for these questions, really.


You get them anyway. :)




I know there is a bible quote that will justify anything. That's part of my problem with the bible.


The problem is not with the Bible. The problem is with you.

You don't want to accept that the Bible is far more clear and sensible than you're willing to admit. The quotes above shatter your belief of what the Bible says, in contradiction to what the Bible actually says.




I actually admire people who have faith . . . in anything.


Faith...in Obama? Faith...in government?

[Gaillo]

Hey there God, looks to me that you are very popular now days with what the impending doom and all that...


You'll know it is really bad when you see the hard core atheists on their knees praying!


Or not... I've personally been in more than one life threatening incident in my life, including a situation where a large-caliber revolver was pointed at my head and I was pretty certain the aggressor would most likely pull the trigger at the slightest sign of adversity or unease... yet I was never overcome with the urge to call upon the mercy and intervention of a being that I don't believe in or consider to be a part of reality.





...What does this thread actually offer to GSUS visitors besides Bible quotations?

:)


At GSUS, we can discuss a variety of different topics.


Indeed. This is one situation where the thread might not belong in the "religion and philosophy" section - as I also get the "Sense of Impending Doom" feeling recently - but don't necessarily ascribe it to religious or supernatural phenomenon.

[Sparky]

To keep more on topic, I don't see it as doom. I think there's a cyclical shift that's on the doorstep, a la The Fourth Turning. I see it more as a reversion back to a path from which society has strayed for quite a while now.

The world has gone through these cycles for centuries. Do you think we are facing the ultimate doom, different than in previous cycles? Why? What's different?

[Spectrism]

To keep more on topic, I don't see it as doom. I think there's a cyclical shift that's on the doorstep, a la The Fourth Turning. I see it more as a reversion back to a path from which society has strayed for quite a while now.

The world has gone through these cycles for centuries. Do you think we are facing the ultimate doom, different than in previous cycles? Why? What's different?


Nice insightful question. I suppose anyone could make a good argument that this is no different from previous cycles, other than we are here now. There are many differences in circumstances, I think, but these are only part of it:

technology- communication & control, transportation, data management
population- greatest and beyond the dark age cycles
commerce- globalized integration enabled by technology
disasters- increasing frequency & severity


There are more that feed into that funnel of fate but I also see a number of prophetic things coming into a clear focus. These are laser beams converging on one point just ahead of us.

[k-os]

To keep more on topic, I don't see it as doom. I think there's a cyclical shift that's on the doorstep, a la The Fourth Turning. I see it more as a reversion back to a path from which society has strayed for quite a while now.

The world has gone through these cycles for centuries. Do you think we are facing the ultimate doom, different than in previous cycles? Why? What's different?


It could be more like a pendulum or a cycle. I don't think that the world is going to end, but rather the feeling that things are "off". I have felt this way for a few years, some days are worse than others, and I have no "aha" moments like getting fired or a dreaded phone call to confirm my feelings. It's more like a dull ache than a sharp pain.

I am not sure if I was around for previous cycles, or if I just wasn't paying attention.

[DMac]

Something to keep in mind is that the Matrix CONSTANTLY feeds us all fear based programming. Any sense of impending doom has as its ingredients, some degree of fear based propaganda. Most of it is subliminal and attacks your subconscious mind.

[Book]

http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/alien_vs_predator_attack.jpg

Some GSUSers watch teevee movies while eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream before going to bed then return to post their terror in our DREAMS thread. I imagine there is a Bible chapter and verse somebody can post about this...lol.

http://www.supercow.com/Products/icecream/ben_jerrys/images/chunky_monkey.gif

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[k-os]

^^ Sounds like me.

[DMac]

http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/alien_vs_predator_attack.jpg

Some GSUSers watch teevee movies while eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream before going to bed then return to post their terror in our DREAMS thread. I imagine there is a Bible chapter and verse somebody can post about this...lol.

http://www.supercow.com/Products/icecream/ben_jerrys/images/chunky_monkey.gif

:oo-->



http://bucf.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/bingo_logo.jpg

[Book]

^^ Sounds like me.


When I was a kid I wedged a towel under my bedroom door after watching The Blob (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blob) movie.

:D

[Greenbear]

http://www.shockya.com/news/wp-content/uploads/alien_vs_predator_attack.jpg

Some GSUSers watch teevee movies while eating Ben & Jerry's ice cream before going to bed then return to post their terror in our DREAMS thread. I imagine there is a Bible chapter and verse somebody can post about this...lol.

http://www.supercow.com/Products/icecream/ben_jerrys/images/chunky_monkey.gif

:oo-->


When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint; Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:

So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life. I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.

Job 7:13-16
King James Bible

[Greenbear]

In 1971 President Nixon ended Bretton Woods II by removing the $US from the Gold standard. From that point on the global monetary system has been the value of all world currencies free-floating against the dollar and each other with nothing tangible backing them. I believe what we are seeing now is something that has never happened in all of recorded history; all fiat currencies of every nation are going to zero and the world economies are falling like dominoes. I don't know what will immediately replace this current monetary system. It may be a totally cashless system where you have a debit-like card that stores your wealth and you have what "they" say you have. You oppose "them" and they can take it away with the key stroke. I don't believe they can completely do away with a black market, though. Or China may take the place of the US and issue a gold or commodity backed currency. I remember a couple of years ago everyone was saying that China is in huge trouble because they held 2 or 3? trillion in US govt bonds. Today, 2 or 3 trillion is nothing compared to the explosion in the national debt so to China that 2 trillion is a write-off. They have been buying mines, commodities, positioning themselves in resource rich Africa, expanding regional trade denominated in the Yuan, etc.

The sense of impending doom is because we are about to see things that have never been seen on a scale that has never been experienced. We've got what appears to be an intentional and premeditated environmental catastrophe that may dwarf anything that has ever happened before. And we will have another world war.

That is what I believe is happening.

[Horn]

There are more that feed into that funnel of fate but I also see a number of prophetic things coming into a clear focus. These are laser beams converging on one point just ahead of us.


I'll have to agree with Spectro here, I don't recall at any point in history where so many issues were converging in on one crux.

I think the "impending doom" that is present, is that much of the population was putting to much in the faith of NWO controllers to make good any situation, now it is all becoming painfully obvious that it was a wonderful dream of uncountable riches. 8)

[Brent]

For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping?


"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

1 Timothy 5:8

Two can play at the scriptures game
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21
Or how about
"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." Matthew 19:21




Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?


"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke 22:36

Again, two can play the scripture game.
"But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:35



These are rhetorical questions. I don't need a bible quote for these questions, really.


You get them anyway. :)




I know there is a bible quote that will justify anything. That's part of my problem with the bible.


The problem is not with the Bible. The problem is with you.

You don't want to accept that the Bible is far more clear and sensible than you're willing to admit. The quotes above shatter your belief of what the Bible says, in contradiction to what the Bible actually says.

The Bible is clear and sensible? lol. The great thing (Or the horrible thing if you aren't looking for laughs) about the Bible is that it says pretty much whatever you want it to say depending on how you decide to translate and how you decide to interpret the words.



I actually admire people who have faith . . . in anything.


Faith...in Obama? Faith...in government?


At least those things are tangible.

[Spectrism]

For example, if you have faith, why are you prepping?


"But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

1 Timothy 5:8

Two can play at the scriptures game
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal.But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:19-21
Or how about
"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." Matthew 19:21[




Or, if you are training to shoot intruders, where's this love that you speak of?


"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Luke 22:36

Again, two can play the scripture game.
"But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39
"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked." Luke 6:35


These are rhetorical questions. I don't need a bible quote for these questions, really.


You get them anyway. :)




I know there is a bible quote that will justify anything. That's part of my problem with the bible.


The problem is not with the Bible. The problem is with you.

You don't want to accept that the Bible is far more clear and sensible than you're willing to admit. The quotes above shatter your belief of what the Bible says, in contradiction to what the Bible actually says.

The Bible is clear and sensible? lol. The great thing (Or the horrible thing if you aren't looking for laughs) about the Bible is that it says pretty much whatever you want it to say depending on how you decide to translate and how you decide to interpret the words.



I actually admire people who have faith . . . in anything.


Faith...in Obama? Faith...in government?


At least those things are tangible.



The messages in the Bible were spoken to different people who were being shown different things. The rich, selfish man had to be told that he must sell everything and give to the poor. His god was his wealth and that stopped him from seeing the real God. The man prone to violence was told to turn the other cheek. The man who cowered in fear when a man of backbone was needed to stand for righteousness was told to buy a sword.

What do you need to be told?

[Brent]

The messages in the Bible were spoken to different people who were being shown different things. The rich, selfish man had to be told that he must sell everything and give to the poor. His god was his wealth and that stopped him from seeing the real God. The man prone to violence was told to turn the other cheek. The man who cowered in fear when a man of backbone was needed to stand for righteousness was told to buy a sword.

What do you need to be told?


Yes, I know the bible can be and is interpreted a million different ways every single day by millions of different people.

The rich "selfish" (How dare he want to provide for and expand his family! lol) man being told that he must sell everything he has to give to a poor person sounds like communism. Are you a communist? Do you want to redistribute the wealth? Sounds to me like your interpretation of the bible says so.

I don't need to be told anything, I have studied the bible and Christianity thoroughly and have come to my own conclusions. I have had enough "telling" done by the priests and reverends of many different types of churches. This was not done because my family forced me to but because I was curious about this bedrock of White culture. After all of this my opinion has not changed.

Sorry, but my trust is with myself, not some 3000 year old book no matter how "holy" or "good" it is said to be.

[Spectrism]

Very ignorant and belligerent reply Brent. I will give you one more chance to learn.






The messages in the Bible were spoken to different people who were being shown different things. The rich, selfish man had to be told that he must sell everything and give to the poor. His god was his wealth and that stopped him from seeing the real God. The man prone to violence was told to turn the other cheek. The man who cowered in fear when a man of backbone was needed to stand for righteousness was told to buy a sword.

What do you need to be told?


Yes, I know the bible can be and is interpreted a million different ways every single day by millions of different people.

That is NOT what I said at all! That is what you said before and were wrong. My answer actually showed this if you were willing to see. Need I be more blunt?



The rich "selfish" (How dare he want to provide for and expand his family! lol) man being told that he must sell everything he has to give to a poor person sounds like communism. Are you a communist?

Try reading the references you cite. That rich man approached the Messiah asking what he must do to enter the kingdom of heaven. Since that man worshipped his own wealth, the Messiah told him how to tear down that isolating wall that kept him enslaved. People don't want truth. They just want to hear their own words. Can you hear me Brent?




Do you want to redistribute the wealth? Sounds to me like your interpretation of the bible says so.

You don't have anything I want Brent. It is not the christians who want to steal from you.



I don't need to be told anything, I have studied the bible and Christianity thoroughly and have come to my own conclusions.

I see that. ::)




I have had enough "telling" done by the priests and reverends of many different types of churches. This was not done because my family forced me to but because I was curious about this bedrock of White culture. After all of this my opinion has not changed.

"White culture"? Huh? You have some chip on your shoulder. Pride in being stubborn is a double failing.



Sorry, but my trust is with myself, not some 3000 year old book no matter how "holy" or "good" it is said to be.

I don't know your life experiences but I do know that you have not been where I have been. You have not eaten the good food that I have eaten. I charge no money for what I give to people. I require no payment when I show them where they can get good food. And I do not force anyone to walk with me. In the end, you will go your own way and make your own choices.

[AOW]

I wonder if thinking about and prepping for the doom brings it. I'm the only one in my circle of friends and neighbors who has prepped to any degree and then I'm the only one out of work for 6 months and on the brink of defaulting on my mortgage. I'm at the point where I'm feeling like something has to give, one way or the other.

[Spectrism]

I wonder if thinking about and prepping for the doom brings it. I'm the only one in my circle of friends and neighbors who has prepped to any degree and then I'm the only one out of work for 6 months and on the brink of defaulting on my mortgage. I'm at the point where I'm feeling like something has to give, one way or the other.


OK... so you know what it is like for TSHTF. There are many like you and many more on the way.

Practical questions: Who is your mortgage with? How old is it? Did they sell it? (Who holds the note?) Do you support a family?

We all must learn how to survive without jobs. This means using our talents, skills & energy to help people and they in exchange will give us something that God will place on their hearts for us.... or a blessing will come in other ways. Soon there will be a corraling of all the sheeple with controls over the money. We have to operate outside the money system. If that means living in a tent, temporary shelter or whatever, so be it. This is no time to be shy in finding friends.

[the riot act]

"Trust in God, but row away from the rocks."


Short sweet and right to the point!
+1

[Sparky]

To keep more on topic, I don't see it as doom. I think there's a cyclical shift that's on the doorstep, a la The Fourth Turning. I see it more as a reversion back to a path from which society has strayed for quite a while now.

The world has gone through these cycles for centuries. Do you think we are facing the ultimate doom, different than in previous cycles? Why? What's different?


Nice insightful question. I suppose anyone could make a good argument that this is no different from previous cycles, other than we are here now. There are many differences in circumstances, I think, but these are only part of it:

technology- communication & control, transportation, data management
population- greatest and beyond the dark age cycles
commerce- globalized integration enabled by technology
disasters- increasing frequency & severity


There are more that feed into that funnel of fate but I also see a number of prophetic things coming into a clear focus. These are laser beams converging on one point just ahead of us.

I understand what you are saying. But I would counter that these might be the things that prevent it from being no worse than before. For starters, our standard of living is so incredibly high that a major breakdown may not even bring us to the 1930s standard. Because we have extended technology so far, even if systems were to break down, we don't have to re-invent things, but simply restore things. So I'll agree that we may fall farther than ever, but we have reached such lofty heights that we may not even get down to the previous tier.

Think about the standard of living 75 years ago. No fast cars or highways, no residential air conditioning, no array of antibiotics, no commercial jets, no microwave ovens, no computers or internet, limited indoor plumbing, no refrigeration, no television, no cell phones, no semi-automatic handguns, no supermarkets, no power tools, etc. We could fall a long way and still be ahead of that standard of living. And whatever we do lose, we won't have to re-invent it because the previous generations of intelligence and experience have ensured us of that learned knowledge.

[Sparky]

I am not sure if I was around for previous cycles, or if I just wasn't paying attention.

No, these cycles last 80-100 years, so the previous bottom was really during the 1930s. Because they last a little longer than a lifetime, each generation experiencing them thinks that they have never been experienced before.

Even if you look back to WWII, it must have seemed as if the entire world as we know it was going to be destroyed forever, with fighting going on in so many theaters across the globe.

[Ponce]

Trust in God but carry a rifle.....

[Book]

Even if you look back to WWII, it must have seemed as if the entire world as we know it was going to be destroyed forever, with fighting going on in so many theaters across the globe.



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You project a rare positive basic outlook here at GSUS so I don't want to degrade that in any way. During WWII they managed to murder over 50 Million humans using primitive weapon systems. Today the very same evildoers now possess all kinds of very advanced nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. They now target the civilian populations with poisonous foods and drugs and vaccines during normal and usual "peaceful" profiteering.

Does your scenario include some catastrophic reduction in human population Sparky?

:)

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[Horn]

Think about the standard of living 75 years ago. No fast cars or highways, no residential air conditioning, no array of antibiotics, no commercial jets, no microwave ovens, no computers or internet, limited indoor plumbing, no refrigeration, no television, no cell phones, no semi-automatic handguns, no supermarkets, no power tools, etc. We could fall a long way and still be ahead of that standard of living. And whatever we do lose, we won't have to re-invent it because the previous generations of intelligence and experience have ensured us of that learned knowledge.


Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.

[Brent]

Very ignorant and belligerent reply Brent. I will give you one more chance to learn.



I don't know your life experiences but I do know that you have not been where I have been. You have not eaten the good food that I have eaten. I charge no money for what I give to people. I require no payment when I show them where they can get good food. And I do not force anyone to walk with me. In the end, you will go your own way and make your own choices.


A man living in a glass house should not throw stones.

You say "I don't know your life experiences" and then go on to say that I have not been where you have been or eaten what you have eaten. If you don't know my life experiences as you admit in the beginning how is it that you know that my life experiences don't include those things that you have done?

I could do this sort of thing (tearing up pretty much any argument you make) all day if I had the time but sadly I don't.


Can you hear me Brent?

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[Book]

Think about the standard of living 75 years ago. No fast cars or highways, no residential air conditioning, no array of antibiotics, no commercial jets, no microwave ovens, no computers or internet, limited indoor plumbing, no refrigeration, no television, no cell phones, no semi-automatic handguns, no supermarkets, no power tools, etc. We could fall a long way and still be ahead of that standard of living. And whatever we do lose, we won't have to re-invent it because the previous generations of intelligence and experience have ensured us of that learned knowledge.


Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.


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All this talk about politely accepting OUR falling standard of living while nobody talks about the guys who are worth over $50 Billion each maybe paying more taxes...lol.

:D

[philo beddoe]

Think about the standard of living 75 years ago. No fast cars or highways, no residential air conditioning, no array of antibiotics, no commercial jets, no microwave ovens, no computers or internet, limited indoor plumbing, no refrigeration, no television, no cell phones, no semi-automatic handguns, no supermarkets, no power tools, etc. We could fall a long way and still be ahead of that standard of living. And whatever we do lose, we won't have to re-invent it because the previous generations of intelligence and experience have ensured us of that learned knowledge.


Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.


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All this talk about politely accepting OUR falling standard of living while nobody talks about the guys who are worth over $50 Billion each maybe paying more taxes...lol.

:D


In Bill Gates case I don't think it's about paying taxes but ending his proprietary licenses on technology he stole from Xerox and the public. Warren Buffett? All the laws should be reppealed forcing people to bu car insurance.........

[StreetsOfGold]

Ever get that feeling like thew company is going to be cutting back and your boss might call you in any minute? Or that your little world has been peaceful enough and stable but at any moment an earthquake could shake you around inside your house? Does the light of day ever look a little "off"? Surreal?

This is a little bit of a strange day for me. It seems they are happening more frequently. Deep troubling inside. There is a big shoe to drop. The warning is to prepare mentally. Be troubled in mind now so that you will be clear and calm then.

Don't let the calamities trouble your heart. I have been talking with the Creator and will be doing that more intensely as time goes on. His Spirit will not allow sin-tainted man to exist for much longer. The troubles ahead are to wake up the sleeping sheep. These are not the wrath of God but judgments upon our society and the evils we do. Their intent is to turn man to his Creator. Get clean. Get sober. Look up. Time is growing short.


It happens to a lot of people, the Words of Jesus Christ and HIS promise to HIS own should be sufficient for this.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

[Spectrism]

Very ignorant and belligerent reply Brent. I will give you one more chance to learn.



I don't know your life experiences but I do know that you have not been where I have been. You have not eaten the good food that I have eaten. I charge no money for what I give to people. I require no payment when I show them where they can get good food. And I do not force anyone to walk with me. In the end, you will go your own way and make your own choices.


A man living in a glass house should not throw stones.

You say "I don't know your life experiences" and then go on to say that I have not been where you have been or eaten what you have eaten. If you don't know my life experiences as you admit in the beginning how is it that you know that my life experiences don't include those things that you have done?

I could do this sort of thing (tearing up pretty much any argument you make) all day if I had the time but sadly I don't.


Can you hear me Brent?

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You see Brent. You are trapped in your own pride without the ability to see out.

You used up your last chance and now you will have a long distance of dry places to travel. You will feed on many things but the hunger will never be satiated. You cannot approach a king when you march proudly with a superior attitude. You cannot receive wisdom when you are wiser than truth. You cannot have a friend when you deal dishonestly.

[Book]

...Very ignorant and belligerent reply Brent. I will give you one more chance to learn.

...You have not eaten the good food that I have eaten.

...Can you hear me Brent?

...You see Brent. You are trapped in your own pride without the ability to see out.

...You used up your last chance and now you will have a long distance of dry places to travel.

...You will feed on many things but the hunger will never be satiated.

...You cannot approach a king when you march proudly with a superior attitude.

...You cannot receive wisdom when you are wiser than truth.

...You cannot have a friend when you deal dishonestly.



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This is one of the most hilarious headgames ever posted here or at GIM.

HA HA HA HA

:ROFL:

[Spectrism]

[This is one of the most hilarious headgames ever posted here or at GIM.

HA HA HA HA

:ROFL:


It would be a head game if I did not speak the truth. Unfortunately, this is no game. I see you are quite the gamester Book. Obviously none of this had the slightest application to you. I would consider Brent's words scholarly compared with yours.

[7th trump]

...Very ignorant and belligerent reply Brent. I will give you one more chance to learn.

...You have not eaten the good food that I have eaten.

...Can you hear me Brent?

...You see Brent. You are trapped in your own pride without the ability to see out.

...You used up your last chance and now you will have a long distance of dry places to travel.

...You will feed on many things but the hunger will never be satiated.

...You cannot approach a king when you march proudly with a superior attitude.

...You cannot receive wisdom when you are wiser than truth.

...You cannot have a friend when you deal dishonestly.



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This is one of the most hilarious headgames ever posted here or at GIM.

HA HA HA HA

:ROFL:

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?

[Book]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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[k-os]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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OK, that's funny! I loved the lime cat to begin with, but now it's got a whole new meaning.

[Large Sarge]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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yes, you did that way back

H.T. had quite a following at GIM1, it was almost a religion thing, groupies and such,

and then Book made his own cap, because he wanted his own groupies LOL (just kidding Book)



Great to see you back from your fishing trip Book.

place was not the same without you

[Book]

yes, you did that way back

H.T. had quite a following at GIM1, it was almost a religion thing, groupies and such, and then Book made his own cap, because he wanted his own groupies LOL (just kidding Book)



Both me and HT got banned together fighting in a thread while I was mockingly using this avatar. You are right about his groupies. He was a rock star at GIM. Seriously.

:D

[illumin19]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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wha.... :D

[KumbayaMan]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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Funniest thing I've seen in a LOOOONG time... ;D
Thanks for the laugh... (+1 karma)

[Book]

Funniest thing I've seen in a LOOOONG time... ;D
Thanks for the laugh... (+1 karma)


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Thanks for your kind words KumbayaMan. That thread at GIM was something like 30-pages long before the Mods (finally) banned me and HT. I got the idea from Star Wars where Luke finds out who his father is. When I announced that I was HT's long-lost son all his groupies viciously attacked me in that thread. HT and his followers had no sense of humor and angrily rejected the idea that my mini-me would someday grow up and take his throne. Large Sarge is correct in saying that HT had many adoring followers at GIM.

:)

[keehah]

That thread was a classic Book. That must have been in 2005 or 2006.

I heard it said that it was because of your dot light up outburst online forums now have added 'Online' or 'Offline' beside the dot colour. :D

_________________

Good luck AOW.

I separated from my Nasdaq listed company last year. I could probably still be at my job if I was willing to up the sociopathic pimping game part of my product development. I could have learned to play the game if I thought the company had more than a few years left and the earth's environment can no longer handle such wasteful games.

Take a look at how popular western culture pictures death, the black man in the robe. He seems like a moral mild mannered guy. He just knows things. ;D

[Sparky]

Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.

I'm not so sure I understand your point. My point is that all of our aging systems could fail, and we would not be any worse off than previous generations who had no such systems in the first place. Were they living a doomed existence?

[Book]

I'm not so sure I understand your point. My point is that all of our aging systems could fail, and we would not be any worse off than previous generations who had no such systems in the first place. Were they living a doomed existence?



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Forgive me Sparky for intercepting your question to Horn. I always enjoy reading your thought-provoking posts. For me the difference is back then, even after the Great Depression, we still had plenty of low-hanging fruit such as oil, clean water and air, plenty of cheap extra real estate in the Western United States, and the world's most powerful Manufacturing/Export machine. Back then Americans did not fear nukes, bio-weapons, nor their own government.

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:)

[Ponce]

I have no "sense" of a impending doom because I KNOW that we are heading to our doom........with all my food and preps I am now also getting scared, not for myself but for this beautiful blue (now black) planet.

[Horn]

Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.

I'm not so sure I understand your point. My point is that all of our aging systems could fail, and we would not be any worse off than previous generations who had no such systems in the first place. Were they living a doomed existence?


People depend on these modern systems, with their maintenance & replacement an after thought past food & essentials, you will have an even more aggravated situation then prior when everything was point of demand.

I don't see many of these global & even local systems remaining strong, unless the U.S. gets off its ass and becomes more a critical part of the supply demand chain to itself, let alone the world.

A large chunk of the profit from such systems should've have been reinvested back into them, but no the game of the day is to take more than is given back, grossly scaled.

[Horn]

Where is HT? Seems like when he's on Book is off, then vice versa.

Is there some sort of mutual unattraction going on? :oo-->

[oldmansmith]

Sparkly seems to have some sort of inkling that these "modern living" systems will somehow work to ease the pain of deep depression?

Or when their fragility becomes easily exposed to exacerbate, and infect an already irritated situation?

Current townships can hardly maintain what they've got already, the idea of them coming up with investment to replace the aging systems (in the atmosphere that's been created now & in the past) is even more of a nightmare challenge for the individual.

New "cost conscious" systems in the newer constructions are even worse for the wear of aging.

I'm not so sure I understand your point. My point is that all of our aging systems could fail, and we would not be any worse off than previous generations who had no such systems in the first place. Were they living a doomed existence?



We are way worse now, no comparison the the 1930's. In the last depression, most everyone knew how to grow their own food, sew clothes, had a hand pump well, root cellar, etc. Now most are dependent upon the grid for life's neccesities such as heat and water. Hell, my town wasn't even connected to the Grid in the 30's. My grandmother lived on a rural farm and she didn't even know there WAS a depression.

Watch what happens when the lights go off this time. It is not going to be pretty.

[7th trump]

Where did you get that picture of the cat in a lime skin book?



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I know who's cat that is and owners is not a very nice person. She likes to tell the IRS and FBI all about people trying to understand the IRC. She has a database on every person she can find on the net and hands it over to the feds in hopes a conviction gets her a handsome check.
She's put people in the clicker and has been paid for it. She even testify's against normal everyday people to convict them for tax evasion based on their chatting on the web about tax laws.
She does this while her husband is off in bed with huge corporations advicing them how to take advantage of tax loops on legally getting out of paying the corporations fair share of taxes.
Shes a wicked bitch!

[Ponce]

We started heading to our own destruction when the computers came out... think about it......kids no longer study, they are getting fat, being educated by the junk on the comp.......and then you have the portable phones and texting .....ufffffffffffff.

I still remember back at the sugar mill in Cuba, where my dad was the boss, there was only one phone to call the outside world and when someone called in they had to run and get the person to come to the phone.........there was this kid that was making a nice living by charging 0.25 cents to run around.